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Fabio
26 Mar 05, 18:39
This has gone on for a while in the wrong place so write about it here....

My view is that there should be at least 3 Italians in the team regularly

Fabio :)

Roberto
26 Mar 05, 19:19
I second that Fabio :star:

Stefan
26 Mar 05, 20:32
I believe its racist to have to have certain number of players from a certain country. So I disgree 1000000000000000000000000000000%. ;) :stuckup:

Roberto
26 Mar 05, 20:41
but its the ITALIAN LEAGUE!!!! Italians should be on every team. Also I disagree with people who are saying italy doesn't have that many great players anymore because I think we have alot of world class players.

Gismo
26 Mar 05, 20:43
I'll go back and copy all my posts then. Later tonight.

Stefan
26 Mar 05, 20:49
but its the ITALIAN LEAGUE!!!! Italians should be on every team. Also I disagree with people who are saying italy doesn't have that many great players anymore because I think we have alot of world class players.

Thats where they play. I have nothing against having italian players in a side if they are good enough. But forcing sides to have players from a certain is just wrong imho. ;)

Stefan
26 Mar 05, 20:51
but its the ITALIAN LEAGUE!!!! Italians should be on every team. Also I disagree with people who are saying italy doesn't have that many great players anymore because I think we have alot of world class players.

Thats where they play. Just cause we happen to play in italy doesn't mean we have to have italians in our side. BTW what constitues italian anyway?? Is it only those who can play for the national side or does it include those like cambiasso and burdisso with italian passports??

I have nothing against having italian players in a side if they are good enough. But forcing sides to have players from a certain country is just wrong imho. ;)

Fabio
26 Mar 05, 22:08
Meaning of racism:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

How the federations imposing a 3 Italian player minimum is racist is beyond me!

Fabio :confused:

Stefan
26 Mar 05, 22:31
By setting a limit that a certainplayer from 1 certain group must be in the side is diffently racist. Its saying even thought the other 1 might be better he can't be in the side cause the other 1 is from that country so he must be choosen above him hence they are saying he is superior to him.

Fabio
26 Mar 05, 23:49
OK so say if we had the 3 Italian players rule this season. Who would be affected? Lets have a look... (this is based on Gazzetta's predicted line ups)

Atalanta
27 Calderoni
16 Rivalta
24 Sala
23 Capelli
26 Motta
18 Montolivo
8 Bernardini
7 Marcolini
6 Bellini
21 Lazzari
20 Makinwa

10 Italians, 1 foreigner


Chievo
1 Marchegiani
6 Potenza
29 Mandelli
72 D'Anna
23 Lanna
5 Luciano
33 Brighi
8 Baronio
7 Semioli
24 Cossato
31 Pellissier

9 Italians, 2 foreigners


Bologna
1 Pagliuca
20 Torrisi
5 Petruzzi
3 Gamberini
7 Nervo
6 Zagorakis
4 Amoroso
32 Capuano
10 Locatelli
11 Bellucci
15 Cipriani

10 Italians, 2 foreigners


Inter
1 Toldo
4 J. Zanetti
2 Cordoba
11 Mihajlovic
16 Favalli
7 Van der Meyde
19 Cambiasso
14 Veron
18 Kily Gonzalez
9 Cruz
30 Martins

2 Italians, 9 foreigners


Cagliari
34 Iezzo
6 Lopez
35 Maltagliati
4 Bega
31 Agostini
16 Budel
19 Brambilla
8 Gobbi
7 Esposito
10 Zola
23 Langella

10 Italians, 1 foreigner


Sampdoria
21 Antonioli
77 Zenoni
14 Castellini
19 Falcone
26 Pisano
23 Diana
17 Palombo
4 Volpi
22 Tonetto
10 Flachi
20 Rossini

11 Italians, 0 foreigners


Fiorentina
1 Cejas
25 Maggio
21 Ujfalusi
3 Dainelli
4 Chiellini
4 Ariatti
16 Donadel
14 Maresca
15 Jorgensen
9 Riganò
20 Pazzini

8 Italians, 3 foreigners


Juventus
1 Buffon
27 Zebina
21 Thuram
28 Cannavaro
19 Zambrotta
16 Camoranesi
8 Emerson
3 Tacchinardi
25 Zalayeta
9 Ibrahimovic
10 Del Piero

6 Italians, 5 foreigners

Lazio
1 Peruzzi
22 Oddo
5 Siviglia
24 Couto
8 Zauri
7 A. Filippini
16 Giannichedda
20 Liverani
14 E. Filippini
29 Bazzani
18 Rocchi

10 Italians, 1 foreigner


Livorno
1 Amelia
79 Melara
7 Grandoni
5 A. Lucarelli
69 Balleri
14 Grauso
28 Passoni
4 Vidigal
15 Doga
10 Protti
23 Colombo

10/11 Italians, 0/1 foreigners


Lecce
1 Sicignano
77 Cassetti
26 Paci
21 Stovini
3 Rullo
18 Giacomazzi
24 Ledesma
8 Dalla Bona
20 Valdes
28 Bjelanovic
31 Pinardi

8 Italians, 3 foreigners


Siena
1 Manninger
4 Mignani
7 Tudor
90 Portanova
11 Alberto
23 D'Aversa
35 Cozza
6 Vergassola
3 Falsini
10 Chiesa
32 Maccarone

8 Italians, 3 foreigners

Milan
1 Dida
2 Cafu
3 Maldini
5 Costacurta
4 Kaladze
8 Gattuso
21 Pirlo
20 Seedorf
10 Rui Costa
15 Tomasson
11 Crespo

4 Italians, 7 foreigners


Brescia
1 Castellazzi
2 Martinez
32 Di Biagio
6 Zoboli
3 Stankevicius
24 Berretta
7 Milanetto
9 Sculli
33 Wome
29 Caracciolo
40 Mannini

8 Italians, 3 foreigners


Palermo
99 Guardalben
2 Zaccardo
6 Terlizzi
21 Biava
11 Grosso
22 Mutarelli
5 Corini
4 Morrone
90 Brienza
10 Zauli
9 Toni

11 Italians, 0 foreigners

Messina
1 Storari
4 Cristante
2 Rezaei
6 Aronica
19 Parisi
24 Coppola
27 Zanchi
17 Giampà
7 D'Agostino
10 Iliev
9 Zampagna

9 Italians, 2 foreigners


Reggina
1 Pavarini
2 Cannarsa
29 De Rosa
14 Franceschini
20 Mesto
19 Tedesco
22 Mozart
3 Balestri
10 Nakamura
18 Colucci
21 Bonazzoli

10 Italians, 0 foreigners


Parma
17 Frey
5 Bonera
3 Cardone
4 Bovo
29 Camara
19 Pisanu
30 Simplicio
6 Bolano
23 Bresciano
10 Morfeo
11 Gilardino

6 Italians, 5 foreigners


Udinese
1 De Sanctis
4 Bertotto
2 Kroldrup
19 Felipe
7 Zenoni
13 Pinzi
8 Pizarro
18 Muntari
6 Jankulovski
9 Iaquinta
17 Di Michele

6 Italians, 5 foreigners

Roma
1 Curci
19 Scurto
8 Ferrari
31 Dellas
13 Chivu
30 Mancini
15 Dacourt
23 Aquilani
25 Cufré
9 Montella
18 Cassano

6 Italians, 5 foreigners


My conclusion?

If my favoured rule of at least 3 Italian players was imposed,Inter would be the only team to suffer. And if the federations made it a brilliant 5 players rule - once again Inter and Milan would be the only teams to suffer...

FORZA ITALIA!

Fabio :star:

Pulsar36
27 Mar 05, 00:41
The maker of this thread is the smartest man and the man with the most guts ever.

I salute you man. I salute you. I salute you. And agree.

THis crap has gone on long enough.

Stefan
27 Mar 05, 07:16
The maker of this thread is the smartest man and the man with the most guts ever.

I salute you man. I salute you. I salute you. And agree.

THis crap has gone on long enough.

What crap?? Being open and fair to everybody?? Thats not crap. Protecting some little group is crap. And thats what this is.

And I really couldn't care if it only affects us and milan. This rule is immoral. And I am very please it will never happen. Thank God for the eu. :proud: :stuckup:

Ari
27 Mar 05, 07:30
We'll have Toldo, Favalli, C Zanetti and Bobo in normal day when they're fit. Some times even Matrix.

Handoyo
27 Mar 05, 07:45
As long as the players win and are passionate for Inter, to hell with nationality!


Hand;)yo

Tommi
27 Mar 05, 08:01
OK so say if we had the 3 Italian players rule this season. Who would be affected? Lets have a look... (this is based on Gazzetta's predicted line ups)[b]
Good job with the lineups! :thumbsup:

You all know my thoughts, so i wont bore you with that.

And to hell to those EU laws. Italia is Italia, Italia is not EU and EU is not Italia. As far as i´m concerned, Italia can do whatever (well, not whatever - you know what i mean) they want to their sport laws. If it´s racism to use three italians in one italian team, then i´m proud to be a racist.

Handoyo
27 Mar 05, 08:05
So Tommi, if you are an Arsenal fan, would you be unhappy when your team goes on a 49 match unbeaten run because the only English in the team are Ashley Cole and Sol Campbell? Would you rather choose Roma's path of a 2nd place season (03/04) and a crappy season (04/05) but with tons of Italians in your team like Cassano, Totti, Montella, Panucci, De Rossi, Perrotta, Curci, Cerci, Di Martino, Pelizzoli (spelling?), Ferrari, Tomassi?


Hand;)yo

Tommi
27 Mar 05, 08:27
Awful question. I cant imagine myself being an any EPL team fan. I despise EPL so i wont be answering that. :P

What would you choose, what would make you happier -> Seeing Inter win a Scudetto with 11 italians or seeing Milan to become second with 11 fogeigners? It´s almost the same question as yours... :finger:

Choppin Onions
27 Mar 05, 09:02
It would be nice too see some home-grown Italian players, but frankly it's not a big issue with me as Inter has always been different than other traditional Italian teams. Their diversity (like it's fans) is why I love them and one of the reasons I started following them in the first place.

Jimmy
27 Mar 05, 09:46
I can´t say that I have followed this debate over the days, so if I am arguing something that isn´t even on-topic, then just let me know.

However, I think that any rules containing nationalities should be strictly forbidden. If you create a rule for this, it will no longer be about football, but about human rights. If you reject a player based on their nationality, you will break the human rights rules. This is a very racist rule, and I don´t think it will gain Italy much at all. In fact, it would make the country even more facist and this is Berlusconi all over it.

But from a football point of view- sure it could gain Italian players. I´m assuming that everyone agrees on that it won´t really gain any teams, as they will be forced to approach transfers and everything in a very different matter.
I think the pressure on Italian players would even grow, and their confidence be shattered. While he might be honoured at first to represant a team like Inter, it would only be because he was born in the same country and not because he´s good enough. Therefore, I think the player would feel a bit weird by representing a team.

To make rules to strenghten Italy as a country, is pure and simple facism. Even in a simple workingplace, you´d be outraged if you were rejected the job only because you were black.

Gismo
27 Mar 05, 10:42
Amen! :star:

I have to disagree on some of your points though.


But from a football point of view- sure it could gain Italian players. I´m assuming that everyone agrees on that it won´t really gain any teams, as they will be forced to approach transfers and everything in a very different matter.
Even if this is true it would decrease the balance between big and small clubs. Hell, Lecce would at least have a chance at winning Scudetto and Sampdoria sized clubs have chance to be Scudetto contenders.


I think the pressure on Italian players would even grow, and their confidence be shattered. While he might be honoured at first to represant a team like Inter, it would only be because he was born in the same country and not because he´s good enough. Therefore, I think the player would feel a bit weird by representing a team.
Could be true. ;) Still any such changes would undeniably make more and better Italian players in favor of Italia.

I had forgotten to transfer my points on this from the other thread. I pray to God I remember today. :lala:

scutzon
27 Mar 05, 11:26
Since it's the Italian League, I agree that teams should have at least 2 Italian players.

But, considering that we are Internazionale FC, we should have players from all over the world.

But, I know that this is not possible, so I agree that all Serie A teams should have at least a certain number of Italian players.

Stefan
27 Mar 05, 13:53
I don't understand this idea that cuase we play in italy we have to have italian in our team?? Why is that?? We are a private entity and should be allowed to employ who ever we feel like. :stuckup:

Frisko
27 Mar 05, 14:27
I think this rule would be disgraceful. Club football is not about nationality. It's about colours, it's about representing a CITY. Who cares where the players come from?

It would be akward for a coach to be forced to select players in the team because of their nationality.

Players are professionals, they work hard and try to earn a place in the team. Being in a position of disadvantage because of your nationality is simply unfair, it goes against the spirit of the sport.

Handoyo
27 Mar 05, 15:12
If I want to watch Italians, I would watch Italian NT instead of FC Inter. The thing that appeals me the most to club football is actually the blend and mix of nationalities in an organization. If it is limited in any ways, it would make it less enjoyful IMO.

It seems that the main reason for the push for more Italian players in Italian clubs is that it allows Italian NT to do better. This, I truly disagree with because the Italians will have more reason to be complacent with their spot in the club. If you push them to a limit that they have no guarantees of a spot in a football club, I bet that they will work harder in order to win the spot from the foreigners. In the end, the player who works hardest and is most talented deserves the spot in the team.

The Italians need not be afraid that there will be no spot in the team for them because most, if not all, managers in Serie A are Italians. They would surely do what's best for the national team too and of course, there is a certain thing called favoritism. It's just like Benitez preferring Spanish players or Wenger preferring French. I believe that if given the choice, Italian managers would choose Italians too. The problem with our club is just that we have a lot of talented foreigners. I think this problem is exaggerated and it should only be reviewed if the Italians are not getting enough Serie A actions.


Hand;)yo

intermilansg
27 Mar 05, 16:19
The fact that we are called Internazionale says it all. Who cares about ones nationality as long as the passion for the club is there.

Antti
27 Mar 05, 18:30
Excellent work with line-ups, Fabio! Nothing new to me though.


So Tommi, if you are an Arsenal fan, would you be unhappy when your team goes on a 49 match unbeaten run because the only English in the team are Ashley Cole and Sol Campbell?

I think you should ask a long term (minimum 25 years) Arsenal supporter(s) to answer to the question.


If I want to watch Italians, I would watch Italian NT instead of FC Inter.

To me that's completely impossible since I have no emotional bands to Azzurri (not even Finland NT can arouse same emoticons than Inter in me). I don't want to underestimate National team football at all but club football is just something bigger (at least to me).


It seems that the main reason for the push for more Italian players in Italian clubs is that it allows Italian NT to do better.

I don't know Fabio and especially Tommi's motives but I personally don't give a shit for Azzurri success. I repeat what I have always been saying regarding this issue: Differences that football cultures of different countries have/had will entirely disappear if the world of football becomes completely global. What I mean there would not be German, English or Italian football style to play football anymore, there would just be same grey global football. The second reason of mine is that a gap between big and small clubs would decrease (sport would win) if there were foreign limits.


The problem with our club is just that we have a lot of talented foreigners.

Partly true but the main reason why (big) clubs tend to have some many foreigners nowadays is, however, money. Foreigners are cheaper than domestic players.

I'm not, though some people may think so, a person who hates foreigners. Having foreign players in football is enormous fortune but as always, moderation must be kept.


As long as the players win and are passionate for Inter, to hell with nationality!

But isn't having non-passionate players one of problems of Inter (the most international team of Italy)? I'll let you decide yourself why it is so (if it even is in your opinion).


If it´s racism to use three italians in one italian team, then i´m proud to be a racist.

Same but I claim so called 50% rule.

Ugh, I have spoken.

Jake
27 Mar 05, 19:36
I have to say that I'm with Fabio, Tommi and Antti on this one. It wasn't so long ago when those restrictions existed. Those were glory days. There are million things that have gone worse because of stupid EU legislation.

- Young italian players don't get enough chances anymore, because clubs buy more foreigns players.
- Lots of foreign players are bought to clubs and most of them never get a real chance either, several of them are left on their own in a strange country. This is a big problem especially for very young foreign players who can't make it to the team. They are often left in cold with no money.
- Clubs have lost a bit of their identity, especially since there are less and less "own town boys" playing for the teams.
- "Home matches" are not the same anymore.

The whole thing is caused by EU legislation which is the same in every work, so it has to be the same in football too. You should think the whole matter form another point of view. Let's take an Inter grown young player. He'd probably get a chance in the first team, but the foreign players get to play instead of him. He has to move somewhere else to get to play. If this was about an ordinary job and you were the one put asied because some foreigner took your place, how would you feel? It doens't work like this in other businesses, because usually local people have upper hand there, but in football the case is worse.

This is not only about Italy, the same problem is in every big football country in Europe. Just go and ask EPL, Bundesliga or La Liga fans, there are many of us thinking like this.

Last but not least, this has nothing to do with racism. One thing I hate the most is people hiding behind "rasicm" too often. By the way there still are restrictions for non-EU players, how come that is not racist then?

Stefan
27 Mar 05, 19:39
Go and look at the derbies antti and tell me who is the players hugging the milan players. ;) Not the foreigners mostly its is the italian players.

For me its quite obvious when watching the scenes before the big games which players are playing with great passion for inter in these games and they are mostly the foreigners. Guys like stankovic,kily,martins,cordoba,jz. While are great italian contigent vieri,ect are hugging and kissing the opposition.

Yes adriano also huggs the brazillian players from milan.

But I see a lot more passion from the so called foreigners then the italians on the team.

And on this culture thing. I believe every club should have their own culture. Not every country. To me Inter is a club who have always used foreigners as has milan while juve and roma have mostly used more italians.

Stefan
27 Mar 05, 19:44
I have to say that I'm with Fabio, Tommi and Antti on this one. It wasn't so long ago when those restrictions existed. Those were glory days. There are million things that have gone worse because of stupid EU legislation.

- Young italian players don't get enough chances anymore, because clubs buy more foreigns players.
- Lots of foreign players are bought to clubs and most of them never get a real chance either, several of them are left on their own in a strange country. This is a big problem especially for very young foreign players who can't make it to the team. They are often left in cold with no money.
- Clubs have lost a bit of their identity, especially since there are less and less "own town boys" playing for the teams.
- "Home matches" are not the same anymore.

The whole thing is caused by EU legislation which is the same in every work, so it has to be the same in football too. You should think the whole matter form another point of view. Let's take an Inter grown young player. He'd probably get a chance in the first team, but the foreign players get to play instead of him. He has to move somewhere else to get to play. If this was about an ordinary job and you were the one put asied because some foreigner took your place, how would you feel? It doens't work like this in other businesses, because usually local people have upper hand there, but in football the case is worse.

This is not only about Italy, the same problem is in every big football country in Europe. Just go and ask EPL, Bundesliga or La Liga fans, there are many of us thinking like this.

Last but not least, this has nothing to do with racism. One thing I hate the most is people hiding behind "rasicm" too often. By the way there still are restrictions for non-EU players, how come that is not racist then?

I my book that is also . but I want go into it. I ahte restrictions.

It doesn't work like that in other bussiness cause in other business its not more expensive to get foreign labour than local labour. Also the local labour is many times of the skill. But in football many times the local skill isn't as good as the foreign skill.

Jake
27 Mar 05, 19:54
It doesn't work like that in other bussiness cause in other business its not more expensive to get foreign labour than local labour. Also the local labour is many times of the skill. But in football many times the local skill isn't as good as the foreign skill.

Exactly and that's why there should be restrictions for local footballers' protection.

Stefan
27 Mar 05, 20:21
It doesn't work like that in other bussiness cause in other business its not more expensive to get foreign labour than local labour. Also the local labour is many times of the skill. But in football many times the local skill isn't as good as the foreign skill.

Exactly and that's why there should be restrictions for local footballers' protection.

No there shouldn't be. The market should decide just like in any other privately owned bussines sector. If club's didn't overprice their italian players more clubs would buy them. Thats the problem.

The free market system is fair.

Hammoudi
27 Mar 05, 20:29
Great topic and work Fabio. However, the only thing these stats suggest to me is that if you have far more italian playes than foreigners, you are mediocre or relegation-type team.

France won the WC and Euro when almost all their players played outside and their league is filled with foreigners. Brazil win WC's while their league is pathetic. League has little to do with NT performance, it's all in the players and the system.





I repeat what I have always been saying regarding this issue: Differences that football cultures of different countries have/had will entirely disappear if the world of football becomes completely global. What I mean there would not be German, English or Italian football style to play football anymore, there would just be same grey global football.

And what's wrong with that? Isn't one of Fifa's mottos 'bringing the world together'? I'd love for 'Grey' football to be dominant since this means many nations will be in equal ground in the WORLD cup.


But isn't having non-passionate players one of problems of Inter (the most international team of Italy)? I'll let you decide yourself why it is so (if it even is in your opinion).

All the passionate players in our teams are foreigners. All the players that are aggressive and those who cried in our lowest moments were foreigners. And our biggest so-called home boy is sometimes distributing hugs, celebrating goals and saying he'd quit soccer for Cricket if he was paid the same, yes that's Vieri and no that's not passion.




Lots of foreign players are bought to clubs and most of them never get a real chance either, several of them are left on their own in a strange country. This is a big problem especially for very young foreign players who can't make it to the team. They are often left in cold with no money.


Then how did all the africans and south americans teens make it into Europe? They don't know the culture, the language and have to fight social problems. But they still succeed more than none. If you are good enought you will make it, whether Italian or chinese.



Clubs have lost a bit of their identity, especially since there are less and less "own town boys" playing for the teams.
"Home matches" are not the same anymore.


I think there should be a distinction between national players and home grown players. If inter play Milan, then I'd suspect that a peruvian that came up through the ranks will feel more intense than an inter player from Bologna.

Tommi
27 Mar 05, 21:20
France won the WC and Euro when almost all their players...<snip>
...were born and raised outside of France? :P


All the passionate players in our teams are foreigners. All the players that are aggressive and those who cried in our lowest moments were foreigners.
Pretty strong claim you got there. And you know this how? Because few shed a tear in front of television. How do you know how all the italians feels/acts when they lose or something? You know that everything doesn´t happen in front of television, right?

And our biggest so-called home boy is sometimes distributing hugs, celebrating goals and saying he'd quit soccer for Cricket if he was paid the same, yes that's Vieri and no that's not passion.
It´s so ridiculous to bring that cricket quote up so often. How do you know if it was taken out of context, if he meant it as a joke, if he said it with a smile etc. If/when someone else says something, then you guys are "No, dont judge him, his words were probably taken out of context or translated wrongly". But when some bad mouthing story ´bout Vieri comes up, "Hey guys, it´s true, he just said it...what a loser he is".

Just ridiculous. Anyway, dont want to turn this into another Vieri debate.

Miki
27 Mar 05, 22:21
And what's wrong with that? Isn't one of Fifa's mottos 'bringing the world together'? I'd love for 'Grey' football to be dominant since this means many nations will be in equal ground in the WORLD cup.
That is correct. While it will certainly mean the loss of a country's unique individual footballing style, it also means every other country will be able to adopt and deploy them with ease. It will make for more exciting games between individual countries' leagues without the need to pan each country's particular style of play.

Many of you have already brought up a fantastic point about Inter's own players. It's no secret that for the last years, it has been a foreign charge that has led Inter all the way. From our captain to star strikers, it has always been non-Italians that have paved the way for this club forward (or backward for our case). This has also meant that it is the foreigners who have more often than not taken up the mantle of our fight against the enemy more personally than the Italians.

One of the main reasons for the general lack of passion as opposed to the foreigners is this: The foreigners are as they are, strangers in a different country. As such, they are more subject to feeling local pride than Italians in general. Why? This is simply because as foreigners, they don't have any desire originally to adhere to national culture, but more simply to the local ones - to please the club's fans more importantly than not. Thus, the foreigners feel more attached to a club since it is their one and only home in this land they call Italy. For the Italians, they have journeyed around more often than the foreigners and being fellow countrymen, feel the need to share a bond with other Italians and Italian clubs, even if they are rivals of the club they play for. In essence, they feel the need to be as Italian as any player from a rival team whilst the foreigner doesn't feel that way. He only feels the need to attach himself to the club and to endear himself to the club's own fans and not the nations'.

Consequently, you will arrive at situations where the homegrown players feel less need to detest, dislike or hate an opposing Italian player because they are both countrymen playing for clubs in the same country. Fundamentally speaking, it is all about national pride that brings the Italians closer together while leaving the foreigners to remain attached within their club's borders.

Ciao,
Tim

Hammoudi
27 Mar 05, 22:32
France won the WC and Euro when almost all their players...<snip>
...were born and raised outside of France? :P

Okay, then how would you define a frenchman? Is it one that was born in France, or his father or grandfather? I think if the French law says that a frenchman is one that has their citizenship, then we'll just have to see that that defines a frenchman.

That's another debate in it's own, but a player's origin shouldn't be taken into consideration when talking about the NT.




Pretty strong claim you got there. And you know this how? Because few shed a tear in front of television. How do you know how all the italians feels/acts when they lose or something? You know that everything doesn´t happen in front of television, right?

How would you define it? I think since we don't know how Vieri/CZ/Materazzi/DiBaggio felt after the derby loss or May 5, we won't know for sure. I saw the foreigners crying and the italians just walking around, I could be wrong though, maybe they were pulling an act!



It´s so ridiculous to bring that cricket quote up so often. How do you know if it was taken out of context, if he meant it as a joke, if he said it with a smile etc. If/when someone else says something, then you guys are "No, dont judge him, his words were probably taken out of context or translated wrongly". But when some bad mouthing story ´bout Vieri comes up, "Hey guys, it´s true, he just said it...what a loser he is".

Yeah, fair enough. Vieri isn't the media guy and maybe he didn't want to come out and refute this statement and create a fuss. But you can't say that Vieri is the most passionate inter player.

Tommi
28 Mar 05, 16:17
Okay, then how would you define a frenchman?
Born and raised in France or mother/father is a french.

How would you define it?
I really can´t define who is the most passionate and who´s not.

But you can't say that Vieri is the most passionate inter player.
See the answer above.

Back to Italian player debate or whatever this is.

This rule is immoral. And I am very please it will never happen. Thank God for the eu.
Are you sure there´s a rule in EU about this? Or is it Uefa´s own rule? I´m asking ´cause i´m not sure.

That question came to my mind yesterday when i was thinking of this issue, EU and sport all together. In Finland, ice-hockey is pop. We have our domestic league and you can have five (5) non-Finnish players in your line up. In Czech Republic, Austria and Slovakia they only allow three (3) foreign players etc. etc. These are all EU countries and if there´s a rule in EU about this, then i´m sure everything would´ve been changed already.

By the way, anyone have heard/read more about FIGC recently? They tried already or will try to enforce a rule that will go into effect next season or the season after, in which 9 of the 18 players called up to every game have to be Italian. If someone knows more about this, please stand up.


Aigner wants fewer foreigners

Outgoing Uefa chief executive Gerhard Aigner has said there should be more home-based players in English football. He also admitted European football's governing body should have done more to stop the influx of overseas players.

"It doesn't make sense to have no English player in an English team," Aigner told.

"There must be a rule that says the English championship should be played by a majority of English players."

He added: "It would help leagues like those in Denmark and Sweden to keep some of their players on board and strengthen their league."

Aigner also described the Bosman rule, which allows out of contract players to move without a fee being paid to their club, as a "disaster for sport and especially for football".

"All of the excesses we know now and many of the problems in the game come back to the decision," he admitted.

"I think we could have revised the transfer rules in a coherent way and kept the rule which limits the movement of the players.

"It is a matter of sport being good or sport going in the wrong way and it is going in the wrong way due to this decision," he added.
Aigner talked about English football there, but he could´ve as well talked about football in general.

And last, the legend know what he´s talking about ->

Johan Cruijff: "If this trend will continue it will have a negative effect. Clubs should always play with six players from it's own country." :star: :star: :star:

Hammoudi
28 Mar 05, 17:27
Okay, then how would you define a frenchman?
Born and raised in France or mother/father is a french.

Then your statement was wrong. The only player who was born and raised outside France was Vieira if I'm not mistaken. Zidane was born and raised in France and doesn't even speak his parents' country's language.

So, I don't know what you meant by that Don T? I guess you just hate the French. :D I hate the NT and felt it was unfair for them to be considered great. I had joy in WC02 and Euro04 when they were shown La Porte. :star:

Antti
28 Mar 05, 17:39
And what's wrong with that? Isn't one of Fifa's mottos 'bringing the world together'? I'd love for 'Grey' football to be dominant since this means many nations will be in equal ground in the WORLD cup.

Isn't it clear already? Differences in (football) cultures have always been enormous fortune and a target of interest to me. That`s why I would like them stay in football forever.

And FIFA`s only motto is to make money as much as ever possible.

About non passionate players. I meant to be a bit provocative in my last post and apparently I succeeded. I know and am extremely grateful we have very passionate foreigners (have to add that crying after painful defeats isn`t signal of passion to me) such as J.Zanetti and Cordoba (maybe even Stankovic and Cambiasso too) but everybody is definitely not like them. Followwing statement is my very subjective opinion/presumption but I rather think that domestic players show generally more heart than foreigners.


That question came to my mind yesterday when i was thinking of this issue, EU and sport all together. In Finland, ice-hockey is pop. We have our domestic league and you can have five (5) non-Finnish players in your line up.

That`s excatly what I was thinking about earlier today.

Besides didn`t UEFA suggest that 50 per cent of players should be domestic? If that was a rule clubs, however, could appoint as many foreign players as they ever want (since the rule doesn`t directly say that X foreigners are allowed). Therefore EU laws weren`t broken.


They tried already or will try to enforce a rule that will go into effect next season or the season after, in which 9 of the 18 players called up to every game have to be Italian.

Wow, that would be something!

A big thumb up for Aigner, Cruijff, Johansson and everyone who have had guts to bring the issue up.


Last but not least, this has nothing to do with racism. One thing I hate the most is people hiding behind "rasicm" too often. By the way there still are restrictions for non-EU players, how come that is not racist then?

Same.

Stefan
28 Mar 05, 20:20
They tried already or will try to enforce a rule that will go into effect next season or the season after, in which 9 of the 18 players called up to every game have to be Italian.

Wow, that would be something!

A big thumb up for Aigner, Cruijff, Johansson and everyone who have had guts to bring the issue up.




Can't happen would be illegal. Thank goodness for the eu's brilliant laws. :D :D :D :)

Mikkel
28 Mar 05, 20:39
Yeah agree

If they tried to force such rule through, their ass would be sued, and the only thing they will get out of it is a huge fine.

Stefan
28 Mar 05, 20:46
Okay, then how would you define a frenchman?
Born and raised in France or mother/father is a french.

How would you define it?
I really can´t define who is the most passionate and who´s not.

But you can't say that Vieri is the most passionate inter player.
See the answer above.

Back to Italian player debate or whatever this is.

This rule is immoral. And I am very please it will never happen. Thank God for the eu.
Are you sure there´s a rule in EU about this? Or is it Uefa´s own rule? I´m asking ´cause i´m not sure.

That question came to my mind yesterday when i was thinking of this issue, EU and sport all together. In Finland, ice-hockey is pop. We have our domestic league and you can have five (5) non-Finnish players in your line up. In Czech Republic, Austria and Slovakia they only allow three (3) foreign players etc. etc. These are all EU countries and if there´s a rule in EU about this, then i´m sure everything would´ve been changed already.

By the way, anyone have heard/read more about FIGC recently? They tried already or will try to enforce a rule that will go into effect next season or the season after, in which 9 of the 18 players called up to every game have to be Italian. If someone knows more about this, please stand up.


Aigner wants fewer foreigners

Outgoing Uefa chief executive Gerhard Aigner has said there should be more home-based players in English football. He also admitted European football's governing body should have done more to stop the influx of overseas players.

"It doesn't make sense to have no English player in an English team," Aigner told.

"There must be a rule that says the English championship should be played by a majority of English players."

He added: "It would help leagues like those in Denmark and Sweden to keep some of their players on board and strengthen their league."

Aigner also described the Bosman rule, which allows out of contract players to move without a fee being paid to their club, as a "disaster for sport and especially for football".

"All of the excesses we know now and many of the problems in the game come back to the decision," he admitted.

"I think we could have revised the transfer rules in a coherent way and kept the rule which limits the movement of the players.

"It is a matter of sport being good or sport going in the wrong way and it is going in the wrong way due to this decision," he added.
Aigner talked about English football there, but he could´ve as well talked about football in general.

And last, the legend know what he´s talking about ->

Johan Cruijff: "If this trend will continue it will have a negative effect. Clubs should always play with six players from it's own country." :star: :star: :star:

Tommi there is defenitly a law about this . It's in the labour law's. If it was challendged in a court in those countries it would immediately be stopped. The G 14 has threatend to sue if any of these proposals of set players from set country gets introduced. So if they are threatening to sue they probaly have the laws to make a lawsuit.

Frisko
28 Mar 05, 21:10
Tommi there is defenitly a law about this . It's in the labour law's. If it was challendged in a court in those countries it would immediately be stopped. The G 14 has threatend to sue if any of these proposals of set players from set country gets introduced. So if they are threatening to sue they probaly have the laws to make a lawsuit.

Exactly. All it takes is one person to sue their employers for discrimination. Even if the court in Finland sentences against that person, he could just appeal to the EU and he would win the case, 100%

Any person with EU nationality has the same rights, any regulations restricting these rights is outside legality.

Stefan
28 Mar 05, 21:18
Tommi there is defenitly a law about this . It's in the labour law's. If it was challendged in a court in those countries it would immediately be stopped. The G 14 has threatend to sue if any of these proposals of set players from set country gets introduced. So if they are threatening to sue they probaly have the laws to make a lawsuit.

Exactly. All it takes is one person to sue their employers for discrimination. Even if the court in Finland sentences against that person, he could just appeal to the EU and he would win the case, 100%

Any person with EU nationality has the same rights, any regulations restricting these rights is outside legality.

Spot on. :)

Tommi
28 Mar 05, 21:42
I know for sure that Finland for example aren´t breaking any laws when we have that five (5) non-Finnish players rule in ice-hockey. Plenty of countries have that foreigner rule and if it would be illegal, then something would´ve been done already. If it would be illegal, it wouldn´t exist.

I´m not so into law, but i tried to search something valuable from internet...couldn´t find. All i found out was that there´s labour law in Italy, labour law in Finland etc, there´s all kinds of national labour laws that differs from others.

And why do the labour law systems of EU member states appear to differ so significantly? Again, if it´s illegal, then how come none is doing anything about it?

Also, if Uefa or whoever wants to get a stricter rule for "foreigners", then they will do it. Now we have that non-EU player rule (we can only sign one player / year or something), just moderate that rule a bit and they might/would be happy about it. I read that Spanish football doesn't allow more than three (3) non-EU players on the field at the same time. I wonder if that´s true?

The only player who was born and raised outside France was Vieira if I'm not mistaken.
What about these guys then -> Thuram (Guadeloupe), Desailly (Ghana), Karembeu (Lifou), Boumsong (Cameroon), Trezeguet (Argentina), Makelele (Zaire) and there could be more...

Frisko
28 Mar 05, 22:02
Here's a link related to football but that can easily be applied to hockey.

http://europa.eu.int/en/agenda/bosman.html

The rules relating to the transfer of players and the limitation on the number of community players in matches between clubs have been declared illegal in an awaited ruling by the Court of Justice on December 15, 1995.

The restrictions imposed by the UEFA as to the number of foreign players allowed to be ligned up on a team is contrary to the rules relative to the free circulation of workers in the European Union.

The exclusion of foreign players is justifiable only when it concerns the composition of nationals teams.

Now Tommi, I wouldn't be surprised if there are regulations in Finland that go against that.

That's what law is about, and that's where lawyers make all their money. There are laws going agaisnt previous laws and so on and so on.

I was on a training course last month and we were discussing confidential documents. There was an issue with confidentiality and the Freedom of Information Act.

This is just an example of a case when you need to be a lawyer otherwise whatever you say, it can be wrong.

Hammoudi
28 Mar 05, 22:23
Yeah Don T, my bad. I actually read that Makelele came to France from Congo (Zaire) when he was old. I knew that Treseguet was born in Argentina, but I think he grew up in France.

Thank God Canada doesn't use your rule, otherwise I wouldn't be Canadian.

Tommi
29 Mar 05, 08:17
Now Tommi, I wouldn't be surprised if there are regulations in Finland that go against that.

That's what law is about, and that's where lawyers make all their money. There are laws going agaisnt previous laws and so on and so on.
First of all, thanks for the link. Second, i agree what you just said. Laws are made to be broken. :)

I move your post here Hamed.

Well Vic, for Don T and Antti, crying isn't an indicator that you are passionate. I honestly don't know how they can measure a player's passion.
So, crying is an indicator how passionate one can be? :D

Oh...well...

I honestly don´t know how can you measure a player´s passion.

Thank God Canada doesn't use your rule, otherwise I wouldn't be Canadian.
My rule? :D I´m sure it´s different for you.

I remember reading a story about Jean-Alain Boumsong few years ago. He´s a Cameroonian soccer player, plays for France in case you didn´t know. Boumsong was a quite talented youngster plaing football in Cameroon. Before he had a chance to represent his own country he was contacted by the agents from federation of France´s youth sector football. They talked him into to change a country and try his luck at France. They knew he´s a good player and that´s what their country needs. Boumsong then travelled to France to chase his dream. After playing youth football for US Palaiseau, he signed for Le Havre in the mid-ninties, and made his professional debut in 1998.

And stories like that are very common in France football. No wonder their NT is called "foreign legion". What if every country does the same. Then the whole National Team concept would die, it would be pointless to have national teams.

Another ridiculous example is Camoranesi and how he choosed to play for Italian NT. His great great grandfather was an italian (or something like that). It´s not a common thing in Italia to bring foreign players into NT, that´s why this is even more ridiclous. He´s argentinian (like Trezegay), but Bielsa didn´t call him up to represent his country. Then Trapattoni called him and promised a place for Italian NT for him. Camoranesi then waited few months and still wanted Bielsa to call him. Bielsa never called him and then he decided to represent Italian national team. I was like, wad-de-vuck!!! Oh great, the passion. He isn´t a bad player, but that´s not the point. I just find it extremely ridiculous that it seems quite easy to change a nationality in football.

Maybe you see it differently but I see allowing foreigners to play as something more than sport.
Sometimes yes, usually that isn´t the case.

Antti
29 Mar 05, 08:43
This quote is taken from Hamed's post in another topic.


Antti said he tries to deduce it from press interviews, but that doesn't say anything.

I would be more than interested and grateful to see the paragraph where I said such a thing.


So, crying is an indicator how passionate one can be? Oh...well...

Excatly my point too.

edit: Players like Camoranesi and Ailton (even a much worse example) are really a cancer of National team football. Phuck to them!

Gismo
29 Mar 05, 10:52
Laws are made to be broken. :)
Too many laws are in this time. But don't go do anything stupid like taking LSD, bro! :P Or maybe you should now! :D:D

Gismo
29 Mar 05, 10:56
Did anybody question Vieri's commitment? :eek::D:rollani:

So you know I have a mega sized poster on my wall because of his commitment. He is already sorta like a hero. When he retires he will be so famous in Inter's history.

No matter if he decides to retire his career somewhere else it is almost a crime for an Interista to question his enourmous effort for us over so many years scoring over 100 goals in relatively little amount of matches. That's why I like this type of player! A pure team player with awsome skills.

Thé most underrated striker ever. But that's just too bad.

When I look at that poster it's like looking into a mentor or something too. Great poster! :dielaugh::thumbsup:

Hammoudi
29 Mar 05, 13:38
This is where I got my idea about your method Antti:


About non passionate players. I meant to be a bit provocative in my last post and apparently I succeeded. I know and am extremely grateful we have very passionate foreigners (have to add that crying after painful defeats isn`t signal of passion to me) such as J.Zanetti and Cordoba (maybe even Stankovic and Cambiasso too) but everybody is definitely not like them. Followwing statement is my very subjective opinion/presumption but I rather think that domestic players show generally more heart than foreigners.

When you said following statements is my methods, I understood it to be what players say in an interview. What was your meaning then?

And Don T, I think I understand where you are coming from. What the french does, snatching up youngsters, is wrong and I want it to stop. What I meant was players that lived in the country for a while and want to represent it from their own will, not attracted by money or glory hunting.

My examples are players like Kevin Kuranyi and Gerald Asamoah. Both play for the german NT although neither is German. They lived there, speak the language and like the culture. They wanted to play for Germany, although they could've easily played for Hungary or Ghana respetively.

I think if the player lived in the country for a while and wants to join their NT out of love, then he should be given the chance. Clearly, Boumsong, Camronesi and Ailton wanted to do it for the wrong reason, and that's something that should be eliminated.

Hammoudi
29 Mar 05, 21:24
I think Flavio Roma read this and decided to give us his 2 cents:

“In Italy the clubs always seem eager to find a foreign buy and that is a problem for those coming through the ranks. Now we find many talented Italian players in the mid-table sides and you can see that influence in the current Nazionale squad.”

This is what I call a pathetic excuse. He obviously couldn't make it in Serie A and is trying to make an excuse for that. I've seen him play many times and he isn't a good keeper.

And his point about the mid-table influence is an evidence. These players aren't that good, really. I'm not making fun of them, but if Italy goes out with a side full of the Toni's, Bonera's and Brazagli's, they would be knocked out in the first phase instead of the second phase as usual.

I'm sure if there is a good italian keeper, most clubs would prefer him. Besides, the only foreign GK's in italy are Dida and the dude with Fiorentinal if I'm not mistaken.

Roberto
29 Mar 05, 21:47
you forgot everybody's favourite goalie Frey Hamed.

Hammoudi
29 Mar 05, 21:56
Oh Damn, how dare I! The best GK in the world. Pardon-moi Monsieur Frey. :depress:

Gismo
29 Mar 05, 23:56
This is what I call a pathetic excuse.
You nailed it so well that I´m impressed. :star:

There is one side of this debate I don´t understand so much that I see all different colors of life in one opinion. :wallbang:

I´m on the side that repulses what I call `Parma` thinking of Italia. But they only do it with great heart which I admire infinitely...

Frisko
30 Mar 05, 10:23
Good grief Alex, change your avatar, I can't concentrate on typing with that on my screen! :D:horny:

Gismo
30 Mar 05, 10:35
It was the only picture that could imprame the mood of this waiting and being overdone with the upcoming derby hell.

Frisko
30 Mar 05, 12:44
It was the only picture that could imprame the mood of this waiting and being overdone with the upcoming derby hell.

define: imprame - No definitions were found for imprame.
Suggestions - Make sure all words are spelled correctly.

Was that meant to be "improve/lift"?

Alex get your act together, you're scaring the posters with the strangest posts ever! :eek:

Mikkel
30 Mar 05, 13:02
That is not the stangest post, he have written, he have made quite many lately. :eek:

Tommi
30 Mar 05, 14:35
And Don T, I think I understand where you are coming from. What the french does, snatching up youngsters, is wrong and I want it to stop. What I meant was players that lived in the country for a while and want to represent it from their own will, not attracted by money or glory hunting.
That´s true, that´s the main reason i hate their national team.

I think Flavio Roma read this and decided to give us his 2 cents:

“In Italy the clubs always seem eager to find a foreign buy and that is a problem for those coming through the ranks. Now we find many talented Italian players in the mid-table sides and you can see that influence in the current Nazionale squad.”

This is what I call a pathetic excuse.
It may be a pathetic excuse, but the words i highlighted are so true. So true for the big clubs like us. We do everything that we could to sign foreigner(s) instead of italian(s). I doubt we even think about who´s better...We also have many talented players in our youth team, but i doubt Mancini will give them even a chance to show their worth.

Tommi
30 Mar 05, 15:12
I think this article belongs here as well...maybe...

The Italian star (Andrea Pirlo), who scored twice against Scotland on Saturday, has criticised the Nerazzurri for not giving him enough of a chance to prove himself at the San Siro.

"It hurts inside when you want to play so desperately but you are not given the opportunity," stated the midfielder.

"I didn’t feel humiliated but it was sad that I had to ask to quit the club in order to play more regularly."

Pirlo was often overlooked by Inter, a decision they must now be regretting given his impact with their city rivals.

The youngster, who left four years ago, knew the time was right to move on when he couldn’t even get a game under Marco Tardelli.

"I played in every match for him at Under-21 level and was a key figure," added the Italian. "But I wasn’t given any room when he got to Inter."

Pirlo has also revealed that he only agreed to join Internazionale at the request of owner Massimo Moratti.

"I was 18 and all set to join Parma before he called me and told me that Inter wanted me," explained ‘Riverino’.

"I also spoke with him when I decided to leave and he wasn’t that happy but that’s what occurred."
Didn´t we (Tardelli) mostly use foreigners back then (what´s new)? Didn´t Tardelli rather use these -> Cauet, Di Biagio, Dalmat, Jugovic, Farinos and Seedork rather than Pirlo?

This Pirlo deal still pisses me off so vuckin much!

Frisko
30 Mar 05, 15:25
Didn´t we (Tardelli) mostly use foreigners back then (what´s new)? Didn´t Tardelli rather use these -> Cauet, Di Biagio, Dalmat, Jugovic, Farinos and Seedork rather than Pirlo?

This Pirlo deal still pisses me off so vuckin much!

Yeah, Moratti only recently said when he got Tardelli to coach Inter, he thought that he was going to use Pirlo regularly and make a champion out of him. He was surprised to see that he was hardly ever used.

Tardelli was possibly the less competent coach we ever had. I just can't forget that derby when Serginho kept going on and on and on on that damn wing and the fool just wouldn't do anything to stop him :yuck:

Gismo
30 Mar 05, 17:36
It was the only picture that could imprame the mood of this waiting and being overdone with the upcoming derby hell.

define: imprame - No definitions were found for imprame.
Suggestions - Make sure all words are spelled correctly.

Was that meant to be "improve/lift"?

Alex get your act together, you're scaring the posters with the strangest posts ever! :eek:
It is kinda the point for me to get you all in the derby mood now. The opposite option is childish behaviour and this attitude always brings bad charm vs. Lucky Luke Milan.

Scaring? :D Oh well, I´ll try to tone a bit down then. ;)

Ari
30 Mar 05, 17:42
It is kinda the point for me to get you all in the derby mood now.Is that, what this crazy bitch stuff is all about. :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

Gismo
30 Mar 05, 17:52
It is kinda the point for me to get you all in the derby mood now.Is that, what this crazy bitch stuff is all about. :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:
I act like a rich women everytime Viborg meats Silkeborg and Inter meats Milan. I can´t clarify the meaning of winning so I turn immediately to money instead...

Mikkel
30 Mar 05, 18:04
Silkeborg rules.....NOT :(

That's an alternative way to say it... :eek: Alex you have given me several shock the last couple of days, I beg you, don't do it again.

Gismo
30 Mar 05, 18:06
Sure, Mikkel. But I´m so eager right now I can´t shut up. ;)

Stefan
30 Mar 05, 20:04
And Don T, I think I understand where you are coming from. What the french does, snatching up youngsters, is wrong and I want it to stop. What I meant was players that lived in the country for a while and want to represent it from their own will, not attracted by money or glory hunting.
That´s true, that´s the main reason i hate their national team.

I think Flavio Roma read this and decided to give us his 2 cents:

“In Italy the clubs always seem eager to find a foreign buy and that is a problem for those coming through the ranks. Now we find many talented Italian players in the mid-table sides and you can see that influence in the current Nazionale squad.”

This is what I call a pathetic excuse.
It may be a pathetic excuse, but the words i highlighted are so true. So true for the big clubs like us. We do everything that we could to sign foreigner(s) instead of italian(s). I doubt we even think about who´s better...We also have many talented players in our youth team, but i doubt Mancini will give them even a chance to show their worth.

Mancini has called up marino and megrioni this season in serie a all ready. he also used a lot of youth teamers in pre season friendlies. Mancini will give those he thinks is the best thier chance.

Firstly Inter would sign more italian if the price's where comparable. If you compare the prices for the same quality players italian vs foreinger usually the foreigner is cheaper hence it makes business sense to sign him. Nothing to do with prefer 1 over the other. If they were valued equally I am sure Inter would opt for the one who doesn't need to get to know a new league and culture.

Gismo
31 Mar 05, 05:49
Silkeborg rules.....NOT :(

That's an alternative way to say it... :eek: Alex you have given me several shock the last couple of days, I beg you, don't do it again.
Well...

I still get frustrated like hell about when we beat you. It feels so bad sometimes I actually WANT you to beat Viborg in my head to make it look right afterwards. ;):P

That way it´s frustration having a too confident VFF. Sometimes...

Hammoudi
21 Apr 05, 18:19
UEFA approves home-grown quotas


TALLINN, April 21 (Reuters) - Clubs taking part in European club competitions must include eight home-grown players in their 25-man squads by the start of the 2008-09 season following a landmark decision taken at UEFA's annual congress on Thursday.
The new rule will come into force at the start of the 2006-07 season with four home-grown players in the squads for Champions League and UEFA Cup matches, rising to six in 2007-08 and eight the season after.


The ruling does not apply to domestic competitions, although UEFA is encouraging its members to adopt the rule in their own competitions too.

The home-grown rule was the major decision approved by UEFA's 52 member nations, although the congress also agreed to defer the election for the next president of UEFA and other executive committee elections until 2007 to bring UEFA into line with FIFA and most of the other confederations.

Meanwhile, both UEFA president Lennart Johansson and his FIFA counterpart Sepp Blatter, who addressed the congress, condemned the recent outbreaks of violence, corruption and continued racism in the sport.

'There are dark clouds threatening on the horizon,' said Blatter, who added: 'we must all live up to our social and educational responsibilities.'

Johansson told reporters later that UEFA seriously condemned the latest outbreaks of violence in Italy and the Netherlands and said all UEFA members are aware of their responsibilities.

'They all know what they should be doing,' he said. 'We tell them over and over again.'

The home-grown rule was designed at least partly to redress the balance in terms of clubs fielding locally developed players who they either trained themselves or were coached at another club within the same country.

The ruling has evolved over months of negotiation with the European Union, governments, politicians and all of football's 'stakeholders', the clubs, national associations, coaches and academies at grass-roots level.

The problem was to devise a system that did not conflict with the EU's eligibility laws as there are no longer any restrictions on player movement in Europe.

So, a young player of any nationality can be developed between the ages of 15 and 21 for three years as a junior and be eligible as a home-grown player.

A six-point declaration adopted by congress laid out the fundamentals of the plan, which is effectively designed to also stop rich clubs 'hoarding' players as well as just buying in success.

'The training and development of young players is of crucial importance to the future of football. Every football club in every national association should play a part in this process,' the declaration says.

It also states that while UEFA recognises the part that finance plays in football today, the game 'should not be a mere financial contest. It should above all be a sporting contest.

'This sporting element means that every club must accept some responsibility for training and not rely solely on acquiring those players who were trained by others.'

Executive committee member Per Ravn Omdal, who presented the plan to the congress, said it was of fundamental importance to football's future that home-grown players had more influence at their clubs.

'This is just a start,' he told Reuters afterwards. 'We have deliberately started it in a modest way so that clubs can keep step with the development of the scheme.

'I know there might be some pitfalls, that clubs might try and poach players even younger than they are now, but they do this anyway today although there are laws of the land which should be observed.'

The announcement that the elections for the presidency of UEFA were being put back a year until 2007 has thrown the election campaign of Michel Platini into some disarray. Platini will now not campaign until this time next year at the earliest.

Johansson, 75, who has been UEFA president since 1990, said: 'Perhaps he will become the next president, why not? But some executive members felt he has started his campaign too early.

'Franz Beckenbauer has also told me he is considering throwing his hat in the ring.'

Intriguingly Johansson did not rule himself out of the race although he has hinted strongly in the past he would retire after his current term ends.

Mikkel
22 Apr 05, 08:01
Not a surpice thoug, I expected that to be offecial. And now it is.

then will have 2 a littel over one season, to fullfille it. No worries.

we have
Martins
Marco Andreolli
Dino Marino

And have loaned out players like
Potenza Dellafiore
Moreau
Cordaz
Eliakwu
Nicola Beati


So the 8 players might be thise in 08/09
Cordaz/Moreau 3'rd keeper
Potenza 1st choise LB
Dellafiore reserve CB/RB
Meggiorini reserve striker
Eliakwu reserve striker
Martins 1'st choise

We just have to find 2 more in our own sector and we will be just fine, and that is very posible.

Stefan
23 Apr 05, 00:30
Not a surpice thoug, I expected that to be offecial. And now it is.

then will have 2 a littel over one season, to fullfille it. No worries.

we have
Martins
Marco Andreolli
Dino Marino

And have loaned out players like
Potenza Dellafiore
Moreau
Cordaz
Eliakwu
Nicola Beati


So the 8 players might be thise in 08/09
Cordaz/Moreau 3'rd keeper
Potenza 1st choise LB
Dellafiore reserve CB/RB
Meggiorini reserve striker
Eliakwu reserve striker
Martins 1'st choise

We just have to find 2 more in our own sector and we will be just fine, and that is very posible.

It's 4 academy and 4 federation players. We can also use stankovic as a fed player since he qualifies through his time at lazio. Not sure about any others we have who could be federation players. Vieri can't since he spend that time in australia.

primo-inter
23 Apr 05, 11:32
At least we have 4 Italian surnames in that line-up. :)

I wouldn't mind the 3 player minimum, and if we hadn't sold Cannavaro we'd have 3 anyway. :frustrat:

Technically, we have 3 Italians in that line-up since Cambiasso has an Italian passport.

Stefan
27 Apr 05, 21:16
At least we have 4 Italian surnames in that line-up. :)

I wouldn't mind the 3 player minimum, and if we hadn't sold Cannavaro we'd have 3 anyway. :frustrat:

Technically, we have 3 Italians in that line-up since Cambiasso has an Italian passport.

You misunderstand it man. Homegrown doesn't mean italian. All it means is any player that spend 3 years from the age of 15-21 at the clubs academy qualifies as a home grown player like oba martins and any player that spend 3 years between 15 and 21 at any club with the federation of the same club as where he is currently would qualify as a federation player like stankovic.

Tommi
30 May 05, 23:08
Jony inspired me when he spoke italians and south-americas in Coppa italia thread.

Currently we have 13 italians in our team. That´s good number and i´m happy with that, allthought many of them are youngsters and hardly ever plays. Now, i´m just wondering what will happen in the summer and how many italians we have when the next season begans, this is how i see the transfer market [regarding our beloved italians] goes...

12 FONTANA ALBERTO Jan 23 1967 Italy - RETIRE/SOLD
1 TOLDO FRANCESCO Dec 2 1971 Italy - STAY

49 ANDREOLLI MARCO Jun 10 1986 Italy - LOAN
77 COCO FRANCESCO Jan 8 1977 Italy - SOLD
39 FAUTARIO SIMONE Feb 12 1987 Italy - LOAN
16 FAVALLI GIUSEPPE Jan 8 1972 Italy - STAY
40 GIANI NICOLAS Mar 13 1986 Italy - LOAN
23 MATERAZZI MARCO Aug 19 1973 Italy - Might be SOLD

BIAVA FABRIZIO Aug 25 1983 Italy - LOAN
47 MARINO DINO May 23 1985 Italy - LOAN
6 ZANETTI CRISTIANO Apr 10 1977 Italy - Might be SOLD

50 MOMENTE' MATTEO Feb 26 1987 Italy - LOAN
32 VIERI CHRISTIAN Jul 12 1973 Italy - Might be SOLD

As you see, worst case scenario would be that we´ll just have two [2] italians for the upcoming season [Toldo and Favalli]. Not very realistic though. Three [3] players that might stay or be sold [Cristiano, Materazzi and Vieri]. I think about all of those youngsters will be loaned, maybe Marino and Andreolli will stay [and not play], maybe?

Then, how many south-americans we have. I counted 12. Let´s see how many will stay...

15 CARINI FABIAN Dec 26 1979 Uruguay - STAY

3 BURDISSO NICOLAS ANDRES Apr 12 1981 Argentina - LOAN
2 CORDOBA IVAN RAMIRO Aug 11 1976 Colombia - STAY
24 GAMARRA CARLOS ALBERTO Feb 17 1971 Paraguay - SOLD
4 ZANETTI JAVIER Aug 10 1973 Argentina - STAY
13 ZE MARIA FERREIRA JOSE’ MARCELO Jul 25 1973 Brazil - STAY

19 CAMBIASSO ESTEBAN MATIAS Aug 18 1980 Argentina - STAY
18 KILY GONZALEZ CRISTIAN ALBERTO PERET Aug 4 1974 Argentina - STAY
14 VERON JUAN SEBASTIAN Mar 9 1975 Argentina - STAY

10 ADRIANO LEITE RIBEIRO Feb 17 1982 Brazil - STAY
9 CRUZ JULIO RICARDO Oct 10 1974 Argentina - Might be SOLD
20 RECOBA ALVARO Mar 17 1976 Uruguay - Might be SOLD

At least eight [8] will stay [and didnt we sign that new goalkeeper already, Cesar?] and how many we´ll buy in the summer? Taddei, Luisao, Simplicio and the list goes on and on. Do we need them or do we just buy them ´cause they´re south-americans? Why not buy better players like Esposito, why not take Potenza and Semioli back instead?

When will this end...when will someone realize that even when we´re called Internazionale it doesn´t mean we should only buy foreigners.

Last note regarding transfers, as i said...i´m only speculating and thinking aloud.

Now, let´s compare how many minutes these 13 italians played against the 12 south-americans. Italians must win this battle now...

12 FONTANA ALBERTO Jan 23 1967 Italy -
1 TOLDO FRANCESCO Dec 2 1971 Italy - 3632 min

49 ANDREOLLI MARCO Jun 10 1986 Italy - 34 min
77 COCO FRANCESCO Jan 8 1977 Italy -
39 FAUTARIO SIMONE Feb 12 1987 Italy -
16 FAVALLI GIUSEPPE Jan 8 1972 Italy - 2938 min
40 GIANI NICOLAS Mar 13 1986 Italy -
23 MATERAZZI MARCO Aug 19 1973 Italy - 3390 min

BIAVA FABRIZIO Aug 25 1983 Italy -
47 MARINO DINO May 23 1985 Italy - 90 min
6 ZANETTI CRISTIANO Apr 10 1977 Italy - 2303 min

50 MOMENTE' MATTEO Feb 26 1987 Italy -
32 VIERI CHRISTIAN Jul 12 1973 Italy - 2322 min

Overall = 14709 minutes

15 CARINI FABIAN Dec 26 1979 Uruguay - 786 min

3 BURDISSO NICOLAS ANDRES Apr 12 1981 Argentina - 1184 min
2 CORDOBA IVAN RAMIRO Aug 11 1976 Colombia - 4150 min
24 GAMARRA CARLOS ALBERTO Feb 17 1971 Paraguay - 90 min
4 ZANETTI JAVIER Aug 10 1973 Argentina - 4232 min
13 ZE MARIA FERREIRA JOSE’ MARCELO Jul 25 1973 Brazil - 2428 min

19 CAMBIASSO ESTEBAN MATIAS Aug 18 1980 Argentina - 3738 min
18 KILY GONZALEZ CRISTIAN ALBERTO PERET Aug 4 1974 Argentina - 1191 min
14 VERON JUAN SEBASTIAN Mar 9 1975 Argentina - 3187 min

10 ADRIANO LEITE RIBEIRO Feb 17 1982 Brazil - 3260 min
9 CRUZ JULIO RICARDO Oct 10 1974 Argentina - 1646 min
20 RECOBA ALVARO Mar 17 1976 Uruguay - 1052 min

Overall = 23757 minutes

Holy moly! Quite a difference if you ask me. All in all, what did we learn here today?

Let´s buy italians! Let´s buy italians! :star: :star: :star:

Fabio
30 May 05, 23:12
:proud: TOMMI :proud:

Fabio :heart:

J zanetti
31 May 05, 08:27
Cred to you Tommi! :star:
For various reasons I'm also for more quality domestic players in our squad.

Opeum
02 Jun 05, 10:49
The fact that we are called Internazionale says it all. Who cares about ones nationality as long as the passion for the club is there.

i agree! Internazionale was born when AC Milan againts player from other nationality! so, whoever support "gaiants player from other nationality" are AC Milan fan! so, what in the HELL u doing in the INTERNAZIONALE FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Opeum
02 Jun 05, 10:54
BTW, i think this is one of the reasons why inter couldn't win the scudetto becasue : the stupid referre and the italian federation---> are same with AC Milan who wants more italian in the club which Internazionale are not....if not, we could have won the scudeto in the 98/99 and 01/02 seasons..dang! this is racist!!!!!

Fabio
02 Jun 05, 10:55
So because several of us want more Italians in our team we are BBilan fans? We don't want a full team of Italians - just one with more of them...

Fabio :)

Hammoudi
02 Jun 05, 18:06
I was fully for having Italians in the team, but then I changed my mind for several factors.

However, I think we should have at least one italian player in our team, and preferrably an NT player. That's why I think we should look for italian youngsters for the future.

Players like Chiellini, Potenza, Montovellio etc. should be in our radar. We shouldn't always go for South American youngsters. If there is a great one, then get him by all means. However, if we are looking for future investments in general, I think looking in Italia should be part of the process.

Tommi
14 Jun 05, 10:36
Inter - season 2005/06


Toldo/Cesar/Carini

Ze Maria - Cordoba - Samuel - J Zanetti

Stankovic - Pizarro/Veron - Cambiasso - Solari

Adriano - Martins
Subs: Burdisso, Gamarra, Kily, Cruz, Recoba

In case Toldo stays we have one italian and only two europeans. We should buy more argentinians/south-americans...we only have so few...

How many non eu-citizen players can we use/sign exactly? It´s all a big blur to me since all we have is south-american [+ one afrikan] players and it seems we´re signing few more [Samuel & Solari & Pizarro].

:wallbang:

Hammoudi
14 Jun 05, 17:23
Why can't Cambiasso, and Zanetti getting italian passport so they can be considered Italians as well as Argentinians?

The big problem with having so many SA's is that their federations are crazy and illogical bunch of idiots. We can suffer with all the WC qualifying rounds, but thankfully Argentina made it, but I am sure they will still recall all the players.

interista-slovenia
14 Jun 05, 17:27
i think cambiasso actually has italian passport as well as argentinian.

Tommi
02 Jul 05, 09:58
Posted 31st of May 2005:

Currently we have 13 italians in our team.
And today is 2rd of July 2005:

Our italian players -> Toldo, Favalli, Materazzi, Coco and C Zanetti.

I´m sure that Coco will be sold, maybe Materazzi as well and there´s some rumors about Cristiano. :depress:

Sign Esposito and Gilardino and i´ll be a happy camper once again...

Fabio
02 Jul 05, 12:18
And Mesto!

Fabio :lick:

Tommi
04 Feb 06, 00:08
Give me more...

Man i would´ve loved to see Marchionni to join us.

Hammoudi
04 Feb 06, 00:52
It appears he wanted a starting line-up role. He figured he'd have more with Juve than us (Camronesi may leave according to reports.)

And if I am not mistaken, his agent said we were after him.

In any case, I want Tavano, a public Inter fan. If Cruz leaves, then we should get him, let Obinna stay with Chievo for a while.

catanha
10 Feb 06, 05:06
Don't need Cruz to leave, he should be sold ASAP, along with the other foreigners with the exception of JZ, Burdisso, Pizarro and Martins.

Sooner than later the FIGC are gonna stop being pansies and abolish this foreigner bs, better start selling, Massimo you clown.

snake
11 Feb 06, 14:16
When FIGC does make a rule, they will give about 2-3 years advance so teams can adjust. They wont just slap it on before a season starts.

Anyway, this is the best team we have had in a long time and if that means msot of the times no starting italians in the team then so be it.

If it wasnt for juves damn unstoppable form this season we'd befirst. Either way, we have to put out our best possible team and like i said if that means no italians at times then thats they way it is

Stefan
12 Feb 06, 06:18
Don't need Cruz to leave, he should be sold ASAP, along with the other foreigners with the exception of JZ, Burdisso, Pizarro and Martins.

Sooner than later the FIGC are gonna stop being pansies and abolish this foreigner bs, better start selling, Massimo you clown.

Reality check to catanha the worse they could is limit squad to 3 or so non eu players. Which would still not affect us since most of our foreigners as you call them have eu passports.;)

shahz_nerazzurri
12 Feb 06, 06:45
Don't need Cruz to leave, he should be sold ASAP, along with the other foreigners with the exception of JZ, Burdisso, Pizarro and Martins.

Sooner than later the FIGC are gonna stop being pansies and abolish this foreigner bs, better start selling, Massimo you clown.

Ahem ahem u mean sell Cordoba, Samuel, Adriano, Figo, deki, cambiasso????????????????????. Not one of your smartest posts :rolleyes:

Karim
03 Apr 07, 22:06
Well the topic in hand suggests wether you would suporrt more Italians in the squad or it doesn't matter?

To reply on Adnan and Stefan, I think we need to invest more in Italian players, look I don't care about Bonera, I see he is a good player though

Look, as an Italian club and a lover of italian football I would see that Inter would more appropriatly use more Italians, yes just like Arsenal doesn't have except one or two English players, and there is no rule against that, still I would suggest to invest more in Italian quality, keep Andreolli not loan him, invest more in future goalkeepers and strikers, get Rossi he is an excellent investment and would replace 30 year olds Cruz and Crespo who might be leaving.

Handoyo
03 Apr 07, 22:12
First of all, wrong forum.

Second of all, http://www.forza-inter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1070

Third of all, fuck nationalities. :)

Thread closed. :)

Fabio
03 Apr 07, 22:25
No, dont **** nationalities :)

Lets get Quagliarella, oh baby.

Handoyo
03 Apr 07, 22:46
And what Fabio, put him on the bench? :confused: Damn I'm sure you have double reasons to support him since he's your namesake. :D

Anyways, I wanna talk about Maxwell vs Grosso. (Goddammit, another one of your namesake) (This debate is not directed to you solely btw, open to everyone)

Let me recall, the main reason that the pro-Italian gave in the debate is that Italians tend to perform better (:howler:) or show more passion (:howler:) to the team, right?

But in this case, Maxwell has been heads & shoulders above Grosso and Grosso has looked as if he could give a damn. It was as if he plays because he was ordered to.

So should we still give Grosso the starting spot because he's Italian? Come on man, don't make me laugh again. :)

minterke
04 Apr 07, 03:27
So what Han? There's better Italian fullbacks than Grosso out there please. Pasqual, Cassetti, Zambrotta all of whom are as good if not better than Maxwell. Even though Maxwell of course is great and I wouldn't want to replace him, not even with Grosso.

Handoyo
04 Apr 07, 03:47
So what Han? There's better Italian fullbacks than Grosso out there please. Pasqual, Cassetti, Zambrotta all of whom are as good if not better than Maxwell. Even though Maxwell of course is great and I wouldn't want to replace him, not even with Grosso.
?

We are solely talking about Maxwell and Grosso here. I'm not saying that Grosso is the best in the world of course.

But that last sentence is what I wanna hear. Because I've seen Interisti wanting to drop Maxwell for Grosso solely because the latter is Italian.

Stefan
04 Apr 07, 06:45
This debate is a rather pointless one we have been down this round road before. There are those who prefer italians and those like me who don't give a **** were the player comes from. Neither side is going to budge.

Fabio
04 Apr 07, 11:08
Han who wants to drop Maxwell for Grosso?

Even Matrix said it, now we've won the league we should slowly start building a team with more Italians in it, lets face it; Zanetti, Cordoba, Samuel, Recoba, Figo and several more and going to be here for many years to come so...why not.

Stefan
04 Apr 07, 11:35
Han who wants to drop Maxwell for Grosso?

Even Matrix said it, now we've won the league we should slowly start building a team with more Italians in it, lets face it; Zanetti, Cordoba, Samuel, Recoba, Figo and several more and going to be here for many years to come so...why not.

Why must we replace them with italians?? Why can't we replace them with some of our youth teamers who aren't all italians??

Matrix is a self confessed nationalist hence why he would say to have more italians in the side.

I have now problem if the italian is the best we can find but we must find the best for Inter. Not just because he is italian.

Cro Nerazzurro
04 Apr 07, 11:57
Let's not sell some good, or even great, players just to get in some italians.
When we decide to buy someone, we should check is there good italian available, if not, then I don't want us to buy some average italian just cause of passport.

Italians are great footballers, and there are some very good outside big clubs and we should definetlly keep close on them.

Rosina, Cassano, Bianchi, Quagliarella, Zaccardo(what happened to him?),..etc.etc.

Handoyo
04 Apr 07, 23:46
Why must we replace them with italians?? Why can't we replace them with some of our youth teamers who aren't all italians??
Exactly.

If there's an Italian better than an average foreigner, pick the Italian. But if there's a foreigner better than an average Itailan, obviously we should pick the former. Guys like me or Stefan are not pro-foreigners. We just want the best for Inter.

Really, this Italian debate thingee is just something I am totally 'lost' about because I can't understand a single rationale the pro-Italians are proposing. It makes no sense that we should have more Italian just because we are in Italy.

Is there such a rule telling us to do so? (I know there may be one but it's still speculation now) Is it unethical to play foreigners in Italy? :| Why, what is the reason behind the argument that Italian clubs should have a preference for Italians over foreigners?

The argument reminds me of the lazy ass Americans here who keep blaming hard-working foreigners who got their job while in reality, the foreigners deserve it because they worked their ass off and perform better.

I just don't get it.


Hand:confused:yo

Fabio
05 Apr 07, 00:08
OK then, I could make so many nice jokes about your nationalities and shit but I won't...

W ITALIA :D is all I will say...

Handoyo
05 Apr 07, 00:12
OK then, I could make so many nice jokes about your nationalities and shit but I won't...

W ITALIA :D is all I will say...
:confused:

What does that have to do with the argument? Are you admitting that you are simply just biased to Italy when it comes to choosing players? ;)

For the record, make as many jokes about my nationalities and shit. I do them myself too. :)


Hand;)yo

Opeum
05 Apr 07, 04:00
calm down han.

Kato
05 Apr 07, 08:16
Exactly.

If there's an Italian better than an average foreigner, pick the Italian. But if there's a foreigner better than an average Itailan, obviously we should pick the former. Guys like me or Stefan are not pro-foreigners. We just want the best for Inter.

Really, this Italian debate thingee is just something I am totally 'lost' about because I can't understand a single rationale the pro-Italians are proposing. It makes no sense that we should have more Italian just because we are in Italy.

Is there such a rule telling us to do so? (I know there may be one but it's still speculation now) Is it unethical to play foreigners in Italy? :| Why, what is the reason behind the argument that Italian clubs should have a preference for Italians over foreigners?

The argument reminds me of the lazy ass Americans here who keep blaming hard-working foreigners who got their job while in reality, the foreigners deserve it because they worked their ass off and perform better.

I just don't get it.


Hand:confused:yo

for me.. it's just nice to see some homegrown doing well..

especially when watching Italia - seeing the squad list and players having (Internazionale) after their names instead of the usual (juventus) etc.. That makes me proud to be an interista. Although when its world cup time clubs are forgotten, it makes it that much better to see your own players making the country proud.

Matrix made the last world cup 1000x better for me just knowing he was interista.

But i'd only like quality Italians such as totti, de rossi and promising youngsters.. not just any olds just to get the name there.

Stefan
05 Apr 07, 08:50
Exactly.

If there's an Italian better than an average foreigner, pick the Italian. But if there's a foreigner better than an average Itailan, obviously we should pick the former. Guys like me or Stefan are not pro-foreigners. We just want the best for Inter.

Really, this Italian debate thingee is just something I am totally 'lost' about because I can't understand a single rationale the pro-Italians are proposing. It makes no sense that we should have more Italian just because we are in Italy.

Is there such a rule telling us to do so? (I know there may be one but it's still speculation now) Is it unethical to play foreigners in Italy? :| Why, what is the reason behind the argument that Italian clubs should have a preference for Italians over foreigners?

The argument reminds me of the lazy ass Americans here who keep blaming hard-working foreigners who got their job while in reality, the foreigners deserve it because they worked their ass off and perform better.

I just don't get it.


Hand:confused:yo

There's a uefa home grown rule but not just italians. Just the players need to come from our academy or for federation players another academy in italy.

Stefan
05 Apr 07, 08:51
OK then, I could make so many nice jokes about your nationalities and shit but I won't...

W ITALIA :D is all I will say...

You can make jokes about south Africans if you want. I don't give a crap the nation I am an individual not a nationalist.

Forza Stefan:D

Stefan
05 Apr 07, 08:53
for me.. it's just nice to see some homegrown doing well..

especially when watching Italia - seeing the squad list and players having (Internazionale) after their names instead of the usual (juventus) etc.. That makes me proud to be an interista. Although when its world cup time clubs are forgotten, it makes it that much better to see your own players making the country proud.

Matrix made the last world cup 1000x better for me just knowing he was interista.

But i'd only like quality Italians such as totti, de rossi and promising youngsters.. not just any olds just to get the name there.

And a kid who comes through our academy is home grown as well he doesn't have to be italian to be homegrown.

And at the world cup the club isn't forgotten for me.;)

brehme1989
05 Apr 07, 14:23
Homegrown meaning home=nation not home=club

A kid may move at the age of 14 or 15 to Milano and become a player of Inter. That doesn't make him home grown in the eyes of most people. Under FIFA/UEFA ruling they are.

And since you are not European, you can't realise why people prefer domestic players. (You can't argue that football's center is Europe).

Fabio
05 Apr 07, 14:37
I am biased, I'm not gonna argue with that... :D

Zamat
05 Apr 07, 14:48
This is based on cultures, so I'm not surprised non-Europeans don't understand it.

Europe is colorful because of the different cultures of many nations, and because of this many people would like to see domestic players in their clubs, to avoid each country's football becoming almost exactly the same.

Stefan
05 Apr 07, 18:11
Homegrown meaning home=nation not home=club

A kid may move at the age of 14 or 15 to Milano and become a player of Inter. That doesn't make him home grown in the eyes of most people. Under FIFA/UEFA ruling they are.

And since you are not European, you can't realise why people prefer domestic players. (You can't argue that football's center is Europe).

Just because I aren't currently a european( my ancestors ****ed up not my fault) doesn't mean I can't understand the other side standpoint. I know some people want italians in the side cause they want to feel a connection to the team and think they feel more of a connection with italians in the side.

And on what classifies as a home grown we differ in opinion. I believe in home grown for the club and am pro club while for someone who is pro nation they aren't homegrown.

This is a clash of philosophies and won't change.

Handoyo
05 Apr 07, 18:31
Culture, nationalities and such...These just means that your point in the argument is not 100&#37; rationale and contains some bias in it.

And it's unfair to say that just because I'm not European, I don't understand culture. Do you think culture don't exist in Asia too? As a matter of fact, the bias is on the Italians and you are Hungarian so you are in the same chair as I am. The argument is not about European players but Italian players.

Zamat
05 Apr 07, 18:44
I didn't say culture doesn't exist in Asia... :rolleyes:

I only said a non-European would not understand what's Europe all about, a relatively small continent which is very colorful with lots of old nations, cultures. Since globalism is threatening this colorfulness, people try to preserve national traditions, and football teams is just an aspect of this. Sure, they accept foreigners, but will ALWAYS prefer their domestic players.

And no, I'm not in the same chair as you. This isn't only about Italians (well, of course when we speak about Inter it is), but this is an issue everywhere in Europe.

To give you a counter-example:
In the US this wouldn't mean anything, having US players in a US team, since in reality there's no such nation as American, they're so mixed from different immigrants and former colonists that it's normal to have people in the teams from all kinds of nations or ethnic groups since to a certain level they're all considered "Americans".

Fabio
05 Apr 07, 19:45
Zamat :star: youl like an older brother... :D

M.Adnan
05 Apr 07, 21:41
All I wanna say here is in this:

You're a good player? then join Inter.
What's your nationality? I don't care.

I still prefer youngsters that come from our club, but I don't care if they're Italians or not, as long as they're good and came from our youth system.

Example: Oba Martins.

It's not like Inter didn't try to buy Italians. We all know that Inter did their best to sign Luca Toni but Fiorentina made it too difficult.

Besides, I don't see any Italians (and his club may sell him) that are good enough for Inter, or players that we need. Maybe Cassano, but his attitude is still a big risk and Inter can't buy him just like that.

Handoyo
06 Apr 07, 00:29
OK Zamat, let's say that I don't get the cultural thing because I'm not European. But it still means that you're biased towards Italians because of cultural reason, which have nothing to do with the best interest of Inter.

brehme1989
06 Apr 07, 00:33
But it has to do with the best interest of its fans ;)

Okay the majority of the fans live outside Italy and Europe, but this means nothing "unfortunately" (in ""s for those concerned ;)) The main fansbase is the fans that go to the stadium regularly, and they want to see their compatriots play for their teams. That doesn't mean people in here or anywhere want a clear out of our foreigners, but a preferance in signing Italians surely exists.

And as you say, an average Italian is better(for the fans) than an average foreigner.

Handoyo
06 Apr 07, 00:37
But it has to do with the best interest of its fans ;)
If your best interest as a fan is not to win with Inter, which requires the best players in the world rather than just Italians, then you're not a true Interisti.


Okay the majority of the fans live outside Italy and Europe, but this means nothing "unfortunately" (in ""s for those concerned ;)) The main fansbase is the fans that go to the stadium regularly, and they want to see their compatriots play for their teams. That doesn't mean people in here or anywhere want a clear out of our foreigners, but a preferance in signing Italians surely exists.
I'm not arguing that the preference doesn't exist, I'm arguing that such preference shouldn't exist in the first place because it's bullshit.


And as you say, an average Italian is better(for the fans) than an average foreigner.
Meh. An average Italian is as good as an average foreigner. We'd just have to evaluate the financial and if getting them means beating a rival to his signature, these kind of other factors.

Average Italian = Average foreigner
Good Italian = Good foreigner
Good Italian > Average foreigner
Average Italian < Good foreigner


Hand;)yo

brehme1989
06 Apr 07, 00:39
Yes it doesn't make much sense for such preference in the first place, but this is why I said that you had to be European to understand it ;)

Stefan
06 Apr 07, 07:56
But it has to do with the best interest of its fans ;)

Okay the majority of the fans live outside Italy and Europe, but this means nothing "unfortunately" (in ""s for those concerned ;)) The main fansbase is the fans that go to the stadium regularly, and they want to see their compatriots play for their teams. That doesn't mean people in here or anywhere want a clear out of our foreigners, but a preferance in signing Italians surely exists.

And as you say, an average Italian is better(for the fans) than an average foreigner.

Sorry but that about us who can't go to the stadium not materring is BS. If we didn't matter Inter would only have an italian website, san siro tour would only be in italian and the stewards at the game would only be italian speaking( they have 2 one has a yellow shirt marked steward on the back and another with the italian word written on it).

And if we don't matter why are Inter trying to get established in China??

WTF you mean the fans?? We are just as much Inter fans as any european based Inter fan.

I can't understand why some fans want more italians in the team but to call them better fans than us is total arrogance.

Inter is an international brand they care about the whole fanbase not just those who can attend the matches. Inter has a fansbase of millions, we only have a stadium which can fill 85000 the rest of the fanbase matters. And for the record I am pretty sure if we had an audit of all fans the chinese would outnumber the italians.

brehme1989
06 Apr 07, 08:07
I never said they mattered more. I just said, because they are closer etc they have the "right" to have a say about the team. It's them that the players meet every day/week, not us.

And of course the Chinese Interisti outnumber the Italian Interesti. Heck they outnumber the whole Italian nation :)

Handoyo
06 Apr 07, 08:09
Stefan, as much as I always disagree with Yuko's point of view, I have to defend him here because all he said was that Inter is likely to pay attention to the fans who attend the match at Giuseppe Meazza, who are mostly Europeans. He did not say that they are better fans than us. :)

Stefan
06 Apr 07, 08:25
I never said they mattered more. I just said, because they are closer etc they have the "right" to have a say about the team. It's them that the players meet every day/week, not us.

And of course the Chinese Interisti outnumber the Italian Interesti. Heck they outnumber the whole Italian nation :)

The other fans have as much a say as anyone who attends the match week in and week out. We international fans share the same passion for Inter as an italian interisti.

Well Handoyo then I might have misinterpreted what he said but from reading it I got the opinion that he meant the italian based fans are better than us not based close enough to attend the games.

brehme1989
06 Apr 07, 08:41
Well, I haven't taken sides in this, but I simply stated how the two sides(mostly Italian side since you know better than me how you feel on the subject)

But just to give you an understanding of how Italian Interisti feel:

Do you think they like some Chinese/Japanese/South African/Canadian/Brazilian/German/English or whatever bunch of people wanting to have affairs in their LOCAL team? I know that I wouldn't like it if any foreigner would want to have an equal say as me about Panathinaikos, a Greek club, and i know from first hand that the PAO fans(a minority but still...) don't like us Cypriots being so much "invovled"

Italians though like to see the Inter team going to Korea, Japan, China or wherever outside Italy or Europe and see tens of thousands people there cheering for the team.

And also, they care about foreigners when it comes to who's got most fans.

This is the reality about the majority of the fans of all the European teams. It kinda sucks if you know this, but unfortunately is true. Marketing and communications though have made it better for the foreigners in the recent years. This forum as an example ;)

Stefan
06 Apr 07, 12:14
Well, I haven't taken sides in this, but I simply stated how the two sides(mostly Italian side since you know better than me how you feel on the subject)

But just to give you an understanding of how Italian Interisti feel:

Do you think they like some Chinese/Japanese/South African/Canadian/Brazilian/German/English or whatever bunch of people wanting to have affairs in their LOCAL team? I know that I wouldn't like it if any foreigner would want to have an equal say as me about Panathinaikos, a Greek club, and i know from first hand that the PAO fans(a minority but still...) don't like us Cypriots being so much "invovled"

Italians though like to see the Inter team going to Korea, Japan, China or wherever outside Italy or Europe and see tens of thousands people there cheering for the team.

And also, they care about foreigners when it comes to who's got most fans.

This is the reality about the majority of the fans of all the European teams. It kinda sucks if you know this, but unfortunately is true. Marketing and communications though have made it better for the foreigners in the recent years. This forum as an example ;)

I know how some of them feel about it. But I don't see how they have more say than anybody else about the team. It isn't like they are shareholders in Inter. They have as much a right to their opinion as any of us International fans.

Choppin Onions
06 Apr 07, 19:45
This debate could go on forever tbh. Part of me wants to see more Italians in the squad but the other part also likes to see the team do well. And honestly, there's very few Italians that could walk into our first squad right now.

cozzi
06 Apr 07, 21:23
I dont care what country they come from but i would love to see more boys from the primavera getting a shot if they are up to it. Players like Atilla, Maaroufi, Slavkovski arn't Italian but are players we have helped developed and trained so i am extra proud when they get playing time.

Handoyo
06 Apr 07, 22:27
Will you be looking to bring in a few more Italians?
"I think we have to look at players in terms of their ability. If we then have the chance of bringing in an extra Italian because he's good, it's right to. However, it's not easy to get good Italians because those who have them don't easily let them go. But if there was the chance to... Anyway, I saw that Arsenal have a lot of foreigners, and PSV Eindhoven had just two Dutch players on the pitch in the Champions League the other evening. There are a lot of good players abroad who cost less than the Italians. Sometimes you have to try to spend less."


Hand;)yo

Fabio
06 Apr 07, 23:10
Yeah, and look what's happened to Arsenal! :D

Kato
06 Apr 07, 23:54
gotta say i dont agree with stefan on non attending fans give just as much etc.. without those who turn up every week we would have no inter, they provide our revenue. They don't have to spend hundreds of euros per year following inter around the country/europe, but they do..

those people deserve something back!!

minterke
07 Apr 07, 01:59
For me it's the more money a team has the more foreigners they will have. Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Merda, Barca, Juventus, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. have more foreigners then home grown players. It's sad because you then look at a league and foreign players are dominating a league where Italians should be dominating (same thing for English, Spanish etc)...

cloudq
07 Apr 07, 04:25
For me it's the more money a team has the more foreigners they will have. Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Merda, Barca, Juventus, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. have more foreigners then home grown players. It's sad because you then look at a league and foreign players are dominating a league where Italians should be dominating (same thing for English, Spanish etc)...

when you go and look at the Italy NT, how many top players have had either bad experiences or a rival mentality when it came to inter?

other than materazzi, grosso (who played for palermo and didnt care which top club he played for)

theres barzagli, toni and maybe quagliarella

and lo and behold, outrageously inflated prices

can anyone honestly say, they can get a better deal buying italian than foreign talent?

Stefan
07 Apr 07, 08:02
gotta say i dont agree with stefan on non attending fans give just as much etc.. without those who turn up every week we would have no inter, they provide our revenue. They don't have to spend hundreds of euros per year following inter around the country/europe, but they do..

those people deserve something back!!

And there are people abroad who spend lots of money each month buying merchandise of the interstore site.

And no they don't provide the mayority of our revenue. The mayority of the revenue comes from tv rights and allot of that has to do with the foreign audience. Spectators at the grounds do contribute but not close to the amount that tv rights do.

And I am not saying people going to the stadium don't have a say I am saying they have an equal say compared to us who can't attend each week.

Zamat
07 Apr 07, 10:07
Stefan, but you, like lots of foreign fans -who don't go to the stadium- don't care whether it's foreign or Italian players. The people who go to the stadio do, so why the hell would it bother you if the management of an ITALIAN club, founded by ITALIANS in ITALY, managed by ITALIANS, whose main shareholders are ITALIAN, whose president is ITALIAN would opt to bring in more ITALIAN talent, hm?

shahz_nerazzurri
07 Apr 07, 10:39
I think a club is defined by its roots. If Inter wins CL or something, its Italian media thats gonna be proud, if an Inter player wins a Ballon D'or, its Italians that are gonna be proud. We are an ITALIAN club, we should have a few Italians in our team. That is what defines us as an Italian club.
Plus getting more Italians, would also be good for the Italian NT. It would be like we are working for the betterment of football in Italy. I am sick and tired of Jube or Bilan fans saying how 80&#37; of Italian NT is made up of their sides.
People make fun of Arsenal all the time for not having English players in their team. And why should we take Arsenal as an example for anything?

Plus Italians will have more passion playing for us. I know this is not true sometimes (in our case its never true, Cannavaro, Vieri), but most of the time it is. Some foreign players would wanna come in, join the team, just for money, have little respect for the club or the league (figo lol).

I am not calling for excessive Italians. Just 2 or 3 maybe in the starting X1. But then for that we need to buy or develop high caliber Italian players, those players that will justify their inclusion in the starting X1, and not players like Grosso.
You can hardly blame Uefa or FIGC to push for more locals in a club team. You have to agree with their logic on this issue.

brehme1989
07 Apr 07, 11:23
It would be like we are working for the betterment of football in Italy.


:lol: :lol:
:dielaugh: :dielaugh:

I couldn't hold :P

snake
07 Apr 07, 11:26
what the fukc are you laughing at you idiot.

I know its shaz and normally id let you diss the hell out of him and although I read about one line and it already set the tone for his junk post but im still going to say something cause your just as much as an idiot. What are you laughing at?

Thats a perfectly fine word.

Stefan
07 Apr 07, 13:55
Stefan, but you, like lots of foreign fans -who don't go to the stadium- don't care whether it's foreign or Italian players. The people who go to the stadio do, so why the hell would it bother you if the management of an ITALIAN club, founded by ITALIANS in ITALY, managed by ITALIANS, whose main shareholders are ITALIAN, whose president is ITALIAN would opt to bring in more ITALIAN talent, hm?

It wouldn't bother me as long as they are quality players and aren't just brought in for the sake of being Italian.

And Inter is an international club it might be based in Italy and have italian shareholders and such but it's stakeholders are allot more than just italians. It should taken into account all it's stakeholders and these include the so called foreign fans.

Waleed
07 Apr 07, 17:34
what the fukc are you laughing at you idiot.

I know its shaz and normally id let you diss the hell out of him and although I read about one line and it already set the tone for his junk post but im still going to say something cause your just as much as an idiot. What are you laughing at?

Thats a perfectly fine word.

Hal you idiot, dont you know if the word is not used in Cyprus then it is not a word? FFS buddy get your head on straight this it Yuko we are talking about here, nothing gets past him.

PS: :star: :star: Quality posts all over the place Stefan.

Fabio
07 Apr 07, 18:45
Can you give Yuko a bit of a break? Being stubborn might be seen as something bad but it can also be something good as gold...

Anyway, it's easy for you to understand Stefan's stance I guess.

shahz_nerazzurri
07 Apr 07, 20:50
lol thought I would never see Hal defending me. Er, thanks for your support bro.
Yuko betterment is the same thing as improvement. I guess its not used that much in normal life, but with regards to finance and property, it is used constantly.
"The chances of your financial betterment are much higher, if you buy this security"
etc etc.

Waleed
08 Apr 07, 16:08
Anyway, it's easy for you to understand Stefan's stance I guess.

Nah man it aint like that I just think he has made some valid points in his arguments. Doesnt necessarily mean I agree with him. Quality is quality no matter what opinion it is supporting.

Khalifa
08 Apr 07, 17:54
I think many people will be more committed and loyal towards the club that supports them and builds them. Finding a random person and having them loyal and passionate jus like that, is almost always pure fantasy.

This is how i introduce that the players in the youth academy are the committed and passionate ones. They compete with the fans in the curva in terms of passion. So when we say we want more italians because they are going to show more heart can be overpowered here by the fact that the youth players that have been with the fostered by the club over the years will square what an italian picked up from Siena will offer us.

I would love to see more Italians in Inter, because I love Italy and everything Italian and simply would like to see competing internationally a more passionate thing for me...but simply said, if you cant fill in the boot, dont place a toilet paper there.

Pravesh
09 Apr 07, 07:28
Well, these are some of the Italian players who could be on the market:

Buffon - Will be damn expensive and would we need to spend tha much of $$, when J.Cesar is doing such a fine job between the posts ??

Cassano - May be there's a very good chance that we might grab him, or he might join Milan/? ?

Quagliarella - The uprising talented player but he's just showing his wonders. I doubt it's a one season wonder but he won't come cheap as well and would he want to warm the Inter bench instead of playing regularly, which is very important at this stage of his career ??

Rosina, Montolivo, Bianchi - Just like in Quag's case, the same applies for Rosina and Montolivo as well.

Toni - He's a proven striker but lately I am feeling that a player like Suazo/? would be more better as they are young and have other good characteristics which would help us in great deal. One of those reasons being that he could be expensive and he's not getting young anymore.

Lucarelli - He's not a not young player as well but would be a good option if Cruz is to be sacrificed to bring in A.Mancini. Just an option and only if he's cheap and accepts the bench role !!

Maresca - Would be a good addition to our squad if he doesn't mind to be a part of the squad rather than demand the starting role. I have always liked Maresca since some seasons back. If he comes for less $$, then I would love him to be a squad player. If we are planning to have more midfielders next season, he would be one of the option OR Dacourt could make way for him, even though I see no reason as to why the management would do so, coz we signed Dacourt for free and replacing him with Maresca would mean a bit of financial loss. Then again, I wouldn't mind Maresca at any cost, also coz the investment would be for a long term.

Muntari - I am not aware of his game, as I am yet to watch him well.:lol:

As well all know, bringing starting Italian players would cost alot than bringing same quality or more better foreign players. Instead, we should try our best to make the best out of our youth players, if possible - Andreolli !!

Anywaz, I would love to have Maresca, wouldn't mind Cassano OR any from the above list, if we can benefit from their arrival.



Btw, I don't want Camoranesi !! lol ....

Toldo, Materazzi, Grosso (?), Andreolli, Orlandini (spel), Cassano, Maresca wouldn't be bad huh. As for me, I don't care at all if we have less number of Italian players.

snake
09 Apr 07, 07:30
Muntari - I am not aware of his game, as I am yet to watch him well.:lol:


lol well i think its pretty clear you havent watched him because...

ali muntai is a Ghanaian. ;) this is what happens when you disappear for months pravesh.

edit: lol Yuko has gone cold, where is his response. sorry mr. 199 iq.

Pravesh
09 Apr 07, 07:32
lol well i think its pretty clear you havent watched him because...

ali muntai is a Ghanaian. ;) this is what happens when you disappear for months pravesh.

edit: lol Yuko has gone cold, where is his response. sorry mr. 199 iq.

lol !! my bad ..... Told ya, I haven't seen him well and thought his name sounded like Italian ...

M.Adnan
09 Apr 07, 09:41
Luca Toni And Cristiano Lucarelli were/are the best Italian strikers in the last two seasons.

Most underrated strikers in the world: Cristiano Lucarelli and David Suazo.

Ronaldo, Gilardino, Raul, Rooney and such, are not as good as Lucarelli, Toni or Suazo, and I won't even compare them..

If Inter sign Toni or Lucarelli, even if they're over 30, I'll be sure that we'll have better (alot better) strikers than Man Utd, Madrid, BBilan, JuBe, Arsenal, Liverpool etc etc..

Lucarelli is crazy, considering the below-average players he has in his team.

I can't imagine how many goals can Toni or Lucarelli score if they played with Ibrahimovic, Vieira, Stankovic, Maicon, Maxwell..

And don't tell me that they play better in a small team (like Pizarro), because they are strikers, not midfielders. All what they need is alot of good crosses + passes + freekicks, and a good partner around the penalty area (Ibra).

The only problem is their clubs won't let them go easily.

brehme1989
09 Apr 07, 12:02
About the "playing for a small team", it's mostly a striker thing ;)

Strikers have the whole small team playing for them, setting them up only and they usually play by themselves up front. This is not always the case of course, it's a generality, but generalities are mostly correct.

So if we had Lucarelli or Toni along with Zlatan, it'd be tough for them to score over 20 goals. If they are really "small team players", they'd score around 10.
Point is, strikers are mostly affected with the "small team" issue

Dera
09 Apr 07, 12:16
I think the best solution would be that we buy some young talents for little money.. Because Fratelli d'Italia is wright

Stefan
09 Apr 07, 12:57
I think the best solution would be that we buy some young talents for little money.. Because Fratelli d'Italia is wright

Care to elaborate on why you think he is right??

On the italian talent out there. I would sign Luca Toni if one of adri or crespo gets sold or isn't coming back next season if he acceps that he will fight for the second spot next to ibra as a starter.

I also like Mesto from Reggina.

And Maresca if he is willing to be a rotation player.

The rest I am not convinced about. Qualiarela(the guy from samp) needs to show me he isn't just a one season wonder and Cassano needs to get his head right before I consider him.

M.Adnan
09 Apr 07, 13:41
About the "playing for a small team", it's mostly a striker thing ;)

Strikers have the whole small team playing for them, setting them up only and they usually play by themselves up front. This is not always the case of course, it's a generality, but generalities are mostly correct.

So if we had Lucarelli or Toni along with Zlatan, it'd be tough for them to score over 20 goals. If they are really "small team players", they'd score around 10.
Point is, strikers are mostly affected with the "small team" issue

Not all of them. I'm only talking about great players, not sick and overrated like Gilardino.

Toni used to score alot with Palermo. He moved to Fiorentina, which is better than Palermo, and he scored ALOT more. With the Italian NT, Toni never stops scoring too.

Eto'o is another example. He used to score alot with Mallorca, then he moved to Barcelona, and with players like Ronaldinho, well.. you know how many goals he's scoring there.

The point is: Lucarelli and Toni are Italians who proved that they're not one season wonders. Quagliarella on the other hand, needs more time to show that he's good enough to play in a club like Inter. He shouldn't be in Inter too soon just because he's Italian.

Dera
09 Apr 07, 18:34
Italy best players: Buffon, Materazzi, Gilardino, Nesta, Iaquinta, Cassano, Esposito, Lucarelli ;)

Suneet
09 Apr 07, 19:18
Italy best players: Buffon, Materazzi, Gilardino, Nesta, Iaquinta, Cassano, Esposito, Lucarelli ;)

Forget about the others.....Gila, seriously?

brehme1989
09 Apr 07, 19:45
Not all of them. I'm only talking about great players, not sick and overrated like Gilardino.

Toni used to score alot with Palermo. He moved to Fiorentina, which is better than Palermo, and he scored ALOT more. With the Italian NT, Toni never stops scoring too.

Eto'o is another example. He used to score alot with Mallorca, then he moved to Barcelona, and with players like Ronaldinho, well.. you know how many goals he's scoring there.

The point is: Lucarelli and Toni are Italians who proved that they're not one season wonders. Quagliarella on the other hand, needs more time to show that he's good enough to play in a club like Inter. He shouldn't be in Inter too soon just because he's Italian.

Point taken ;)

Lucarelli is not in the age that I'd want a striker to be(as a new and important signing)
Toni is not much younger, but at least is a regular with the national team, and that is what Inter fans drool for. Italian national team starters, or at least potential starters. They wouldn't settle for anyone as some of you make it sound :)

minterke
09 Apr 07, 22:33
Lucarelli is too old. If Milan get Cassano then all I have to say is they're going to have the most dangerous attack in the world with some time. Gila, Ronnie, Cassano and Kaka...God have mercy on us.

Fabio
09 Apr 07, 23:10
Lucarelli? He is the least Italian Italian around...

Marcello
16 Apr 07, 08:46
Cassano is overrated, when he was young he was awsome just like gila was no there big duds..
i wouldnt want cassano here even though he is italian .. de rossi would be my main man and rosina 2 stars of the future!

Kato
16 Apr 07, 18:29
Care to elaborate on why you think he is right??

On the italian talent out there. I would sign Luca Toni if one of adri or crespo gets sold or isn't coming back next season if he acceps that he will fight for the second spot next to ibra as a starter.

I also like Mesto from Reggina.

And Maresca if he is willing to be a rotation player.

The rest I am not convinced about. Qualiarela(the guy from samp) needs to show me he isn't just a one season wonder and Cassano needs to get his head right before I consider him.

No Stefan, they don't have to show u sh!t. Lollll who do u think u are, Branca?

Anyway the clear reason is ITALIANS DO IT BETTER!

Pls summer santa, give us Quagliarella :star::star:

Stefan
16 Apr 07, 19:58
No Stefan, they don't have to show u sh!t. Lollll who do u think u are, Branca?

Anyway the clear reason is ITALIANS DO IT BETTER!

Pls summer santa, give us Quagliarella :star::star:

You never know who I could be.:D

But seriously it was just an opinion. I don't want him to turn out like esposito. How was hot 2 summers ago but hasn't done shit since.

Kato
16 Apr 07, 20:09
haha well just the way u said it ;)

I think Quagliarella is here to stay. I hope so anyway.

Marcello
17 Apr 07, 08:02
You never know who I could be.:D

But seriously it was just an opinion. I don't want him to turn out like esposito. How was hot 2 summers ago but hasn't done shit since.

Well it is pretty hard to shine with such a crap team im so impressed of swazo though wish he was italian :grumpy:

Stefan
17 Apr 07, 08:46
Well it is pretty hard to shine with such a crap team im so impressed of swazo though wish he was italian :grumpy:

When Zola was there he shined he hasn't done a thing since zola left. While Zola was there suazo didn't even play allot but these last 2 seasons he has stepped up. Esposito was a flash in the pan. Zola made him look better than what he really is.

Marcello
17 Apr 07, 11:29
When Zola was there he shined he hasn't done a thing since zola left. While Zola was there suazo didn't even play allot but these last 2 seasons he has stepped up. Esposito was a flash in the pan. Zola made him look better than what he really is.

iv never really witnessed the zola days my self though but last season esposito and suazo where heeps dangerous

VLE
28 Apr 07, 17:59
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Donadoni wants more Azzuri in inter, and from other reports in Italy, Mancini seems to go along with it.

Handoyo
28 Apr 07, 21:45
Donadoni can shove it up his. :)

And yeah, Mancini said something of the similar. But he's sensible because he knows that if there are cheaper, but player of the same quality, foreigner available, he wouldn't pay more money for the Italian. That's enough for me.

Fabio
28 Apr 07, 23:09
Donadoni's first decent comment, it's only logical that he wants Italy's stop team to start having Italy's top players.

Pulsar36
28 Apr 07, 23:44
I agree completely with Donadoni. It's not like he said "Inter buy Italian players" but he suggested that in the coming period of time, when Inter are going to be dominating, it's great to have a few more Italian players here and there....

And one of the best buys of the summer would be Cassano..he's cheap and not overrated in terms of transfer fees like the others...another? Barzagli. How about Danielli?

Stefan
29 Apr 07, 09:18
I agree completely with Donadoni. It's not like he said "Inter buy Italian players" but he suggested that in the coming period of time, when Inter are going to be dominating, it's great to have a few more Italian players here and there....

And one of the best buys of the summer would be Cassano..he's cheap and not overrated in terms of transfer fees like the others...another? Barzagli. How about Danielli?

Cassano has mental issues. till he sorts that out he shouldn't be welcome here.

Barzagli is over rated. Burdisso,Samuel and Matrix are better. and Besides we have our own young italian to step into the defence in due time. Andreoli will be our upcoming italian defender.

Jimmy
29 Apr 07, 09:48
One big reason for why Italians rarely succeed with us, is that they are brought up with Italian football and knows the pressure of playing for a team like Inter. The team whose ambitions have always outdone its performances. They know this. They have lived in that environment their entire lives, while foreigners just knows us as a team who hasn't won for many years.

Personally I don't give a crap where players are from. Most of our foreigners are Italians anyway. Lived here for ages. Meanwhile, the only Italian player that has become some sort of symbol for us in the last years has been Materazzi. A late bloomer whom up intil the World Cup was considered a risky player. Now at 34 years of age, he's brilliant.

We have another World Cup hero too, who's been an absolute flop. Not even I could have predicted that Grosso would be this mediocre and so fast be surpassed by Maxwell.

What seperates Materazzi with Grosso, is that during the last years Materazzi has grown to be an Inter fan. Grosso is obviously not, nor does he have to be. But this club seem to have difficulties finding Italian players that can show as much commitment to the team and the pitch as Materazzi does. Our foreigners however show more passion for this team, especially the South American ones. They weren't brought up with another Italian favourite team or even played for that team.

I wouldn't mind having more Italians in the team either, but they have to make sense. Surely a player like Samuel could be replaced this season by an Italian. But are we ready to pay a lot of money on a back-up defender just because he's Italian (and that would be Barzagli obviously)? Which Italian player can replace Figo? Which foreigners should be kicked out of the lineup just to make room for an Italian? Grosso has had his chance, but failed to Maxwell.
Considering we more or less have our starting eleven for next season, this transfer market would be ridiculously big just to sign a bunch of Italian back-ups. They cost way more, and in the last decade they haven't performed as good either. This might change with our Scudetto now, though.

Suneet
29 Apr 07, 12:55
Jimmy is right. The only thing that would make it perfect is the answer to Figo's italian replacement.

Rosina of Toro. I have a gut feeling this guy will do wonders with us if we manage to get him.

minterke
03 May 07, 00:13
Jimmy, getting Grosso obviously gives a bad name to making our squad an Italian one, but get me a proven Italian player like Cassano, Toni or Zambrotta and then we'll see if they flop or not. Grosso was never really a good player until the WC.

Anyways, I'm happy we have players like Bonucci and Andreolli for the future. And I hope we either sign Cassano or Quagliarella in the summer.

Handoyo
03 May 07, 00:30
In one neat, tidy and fantastic post worthy of any journalist, Jimmy pretty much sums up my messy numbers of posts made all around the forums in stupid forms. :)

Maybe if we gave Grosso the same chance that we did Matrix, Grosso would turn out to be a better player for us. I don't mind that, but what we have to remember for now, is that Maxwell is the more in-form player of the two and thus, the Brazillian should be the starter. I'd be more than happy if Grosso stays to fight for his place and may the better player win.

minterke
03 May 07, 00:37
Han it's the overall Italian player debate not the Grosso vs. Maxwell debate. That's like comparing Iaquinta to Ibrahimovic and saying well I don't think we should use Italians because Ibra is clearly better.

Jimmy
03 May 07, 20:03
Mika, you saying you don't think Grosso was that good of a player before WC, just proves how little you've watched him. Ever since the Perugia days (yes, he's played for Perugia, I assure you) he has been one of the best left backs in Serie A. He was what Pasqual is today (the dude who plays in Fiorentina if you've missed it). When we signed him he was rated as a great defender, not someone who just burst into this world, like the World Cup made it out to be.

Can't help laughing either that you use Cassano as an example. :lol: You do realise he was sold outside Serie A because none here wanted him?
If I'd bother to find a quote from Grosso throughout the WC, I bet I'd find one from you stating what a world class player he is. All of a sudden Maxwell is Ibra and Grosso is Iaquinta. Grosso is a bad player. Which he is surely not. Grosso is still a marvellous player, but like many others, he doesn't cut it at Inter.

minterke
03 May 07, 21:38
Sure I praised him in the WC because he had a world-class WC, but he was never a world class player IMO. I guarantee you every single Italian in the world was suprised with the performance he put out, even Palermo fans who have watched him every weekend.


he has been one of the best left backs in Serie A

I don't agree with that either bro. I've watched Grosso plenty of times with Palermo and he has always been a defensive liability. What I can say that Grosso has that's world class is his crossing and his shots/free kicks but as a LB he lacks speed and defensive qualities which are the 2 most important things.

I like Grosso and would like to keep him because he's a decent player, with time he can probably get back to the form he was in last year but to do that he'll need some confidence and he'll need to cross the ball more because right now he's not playing the same game he usually plays. The Grosso we see play for Inter often tries to do too much with the ball and tries to go for the most complex play when the Grosso from Palermo played a simple game and scored some freakish goals and assists.

Hussein
03 May 07, 23:15
I think Grosso’s main problem with Inter is his continuous injuries. He hasn’t played regularly for us this season and I really he needs some time to come back to his best.

As for other Italian players, I totally agree with Mancio when he says that good Italian players are hard to get. For example, it won’t be easy for us to lure De Rossi, Toni or Buffon. Those players will hurt Inter’s budget if we tried to get them and I don’t see why we should since we can buy high quality players with cheaper price from abroad.

As for players like Quagliarella and Rosina, I just don’t believe that they are Inter’s quality because simply they’re inconsistent. However, I won’t mind seeing them with Inter’s jersey.

These are the Italian players who I feel worth of wearing our jersey:

• Buffon
• Toni
• Pazzini
• De Rossi
• Pasqual
• Dainelli
• Mesto

minterke
04 May 07, 00:55
Lucarelli, Quagliarella, Cassetti, Tavano, Zambrotta (who cares if he played for Juve so did Baggio). And I would definetly take Totti if he was willing to come here lol

Hammoudi
04 May 07, 01:07
Yeah, I have to agree with Mike, I honestly have no idea who started this notion that Grosso was a great LB, he NEVER was.

Besides, I think he played LWB in a 5-man midfield during his best days in Perugia, him and ZeMaria were for the most part on par. And that's his best position, being an LB requires him to do more backtracking speeding, something that he is bad at. LWB fitted him really well.

I am not saying he isn't a good LB, but there is no way that he's even been the best LB in Serie A.

About Italian players, I wish Matrix was 28 or 29 so that he can be an Italian symbol for the club for years to come. I think we do need a front-line Italian player, but I can't think of many names now, I don't think back-ups would do.

But I still think we should get Cassano, maybe in 4 years he will be what Materazzi is. And I think he is an Inter fan and I associate him with Bari (where I think he is from and where he started) more than with Roma.

Hussein
04 May 07, 22:22
I agree with Hamed. Cassano will be a great buy, despite all the problems he causes.

I think that under Mancini he'll flourish and maybe become the great player he should be.

Enzo
05 May 07, 01:26
Lucarelli, Quagliarella, Cassetti, Tavano, Zambrotta (who cares if he played for Juve so did Baggio). And I would definetly take Totti if he was willing to come here lol

Lucarellis is too old, there are better options purely because of age.
Quagliarella? check his stats from his career before this season, they say it all...he's lucky he's even playing Serie A coz those stats are pathetic.
Cassetti? meh, backup okay.
Tavano? all signs lead to one year wonder.
Zambrotta: it's like saying Nesta, won't happen.

the best Italian players already play for big teams, they are extremely hard to get, none would come within the range they should.

Rosina, Montolivo....we can get

snake
05 May 07, 02:48
Rosina, Montolivo....we can get


true, we CAN but we shouldnt and wont. Ive watched both of them enough to know they are not enough for a team like Inter chasing European and domestic success.


Anybody who says they dont want Cassano because he is a trouble maker, is an absolute idiot. He has barely done anything in Spain and for the record, if he does anything at Inter..Mancini will just freeze him out and never call him up. That wont be a problem like at Roma, cause at Roma they had no one to back him up so they had to put up with his trouble and he knew they had no other choice.

At Inter we would not give a shit, we'd just play all our other striker and not call him up like we do with Recoba. That would be a risk if we payed 20mil for him and then did that too him, but this time round we wont be paying for him.


Its a completely different matter if you say its due to lack of form and gametime. I agree with that statement 100&#37;. But I tell you this guys, Cassano is a freak..he always has been. Getting him very cheaply and then giving him an excellent pre season fitness wise and then we can ease him into it. If it doresnt work out, it was never a big loss cause his very cheap.

Its a gamble sure, if it doesnt work out then we lose a few million in wages but thats nothing to us..if it works out I garuntee you we have the next Totti.

The potential loss to potential gain ratio is massive,

remember guys, form is temporary..class is permanent.

cheech
05 May 07, 04:14
Hate to see us get a player just because he's Italian.

However wouldn't mind seeing De Rossi, if not then Conti from Cagliari. Assuming Pizarro's not coming back and Dacourt & Vieira can't be expected to play a full season. This will free up Stankovic to cover Figo's role either wide or behind the strikers.

Handoyo
05 May 07, 05:35
Just wanna support Jimmy in this Grosso info thingee. Like I mentioned somewhere before in this forum, Grosso indeed was already a hot prospect back in his Perugia days. I believe his breakthrough season was in 02/03 and a lot of big clubs, including us, were linked with him. However, in early 2003, he made a surprise move to sign with Palermo, who were still in Serie B (And were still gonna be in Serie B in 03/04).


Hand;)yo

Suneet
05 May 07, 11:31
true, we CAN but we shouldnt and wont. Ive watched both of them enough to know they are not enough for a team like Inter chasing European and domestic success.


Anybody who says they dont want Cassano because he is a trouble maker, is an absolute idiot. He has barely done anything in Spain and for the record, if he does anything at Inter..Mancini will just freeze him out and never call him up. That wont be a problem like at Roma, cause at Roma they had no one to back him up so they had to put up with his trouble and he knew they had no other choice.

At Inter we would not give a shit, we'd just play all our other striker and not call him up like we do with Recoba. That would be a risk if we payed 20mil for him and then did that too him, but this time round we wont be paying for him.


Its a completely different matter if you say its due to lack of form and gametime. I agree with that statement 100%. But I tell you this guys, Cassano is a freak..he always has been. Getting him very cheaply and then giving him an excellent pre season fitness wise and then we can ease him into it. If it doresnt work out, it was never a big loss cause his very cheap.

Its a gamble sure, if it doesnt work out then we lose a few million in wages but thats nothing to us..if it works out I garuntee you we have the next Totti.

The potential loss to potential gain ratio is massive,

remember guys, form is temporary..class is permanent.


Only a few who support that move on FI.:cry: Me,you and Stefan, nobody else. Ive been saying what you said, but apparently he will stay 24 X 7 in the dressing room and cause problems. Even if he's not called up.:rolleyes:

minterke
05 May 07, 15:09
Great post hal. Pretty much sums up my point of view on the Cassano thing. Ever since I started watching Serie A it was when Cassano was just starting to become a famous player and then in the 03-04 season he just freaked me the f*ck out I thought he was the best player in the world.

Choppin Onions
05 May 07, 20:20
Yeah, Cassano was a freak couple years back. I remember the one year (cant remember which one) we played them in Rome and Totti and Cassano singlehandely tore the entire Inter team apart. It was rough to watch but at the same it was stunning football.

If Cassano could ever repeat that form, I'd fly to Madrid, rent a car and drive him to Milan.

Stefan
05 May 07, 20:25
If Cassano can sort out his mental problems i will be the first to welcome him to Inter. But till he does that he is too big a risk imho.

minterke
06 May 07, 00:27
What mental problems? lol

Everyone says he has mental problems but the Cassano I know is just a hot-headed young boy.

snake
06 May 07, 01:07
stefan, read my post again.

His mental problems were only at Roma where they had nobody but him. At inter, if he plays up Moratti and Co will jsut give him the Coco treatment, so unlike Roma where he cant be replaced he would not dare do anything wrong here at Inter.. Man even aT Madrid his been a quite fella.


There really is no risk at such a cheap price, if he screws up then big deal we lose a few mil and not let him play - we lose nothing. however, if he has an amazing pre season, back in shape and form he will be the next Totti.

Weigh up the risks stefan.

Hammoudi
06 May 07, 02:23
Hal on faya! That has to be the runaway post of the year (along with Mike's confession that he'd sport a nazi avatar if they play Milan.)

Yes, Cassano is a freak, and if he kept his cool and had a supporting team where he was everything, he'd be as good as Totti.

And spot on, we won't pay too much for him and he knows that if he messes up, it's his loss, he won't be as a big of a shot as he was at Roma.

Bring him.

Stefan
06 May 07, 09:31
stefan, read my post again.

His mental problems were only at Roma where they had nobody but him. At inter, if he plays up Moratti and Co will jsut give him the Coco treatment, so unlike Roma where he cant be replaced he would not dare do anything wrong here at Inter.. Man even aT Madrid his been a quite fella.


There really is no risk at such a cheap price, if he screws up then big deal we lose a few mil and not let him play - we lose nothing. however, if he has an amazing pre season, back in shape and form he will be the next Totti.

Weigh up the risks stefan.

Do you really think Inter can handle two problem children at the same time?? We already have adriano who we have the school in the art of professionalism now you want us to try and school cassano at the same time??

I am not convinced about cassano.

Handoyo
06 May 07, 17:48
His mental problems were only at Roma where they had nobody but him. At inter, if he plays up Moratti and Co will jsut give him the Coco treatment, so unlike Roma where he cant be replaced he would not dare do anything wrong here at Inter.. Man even aT Madrid his been a quite fella.
You can't be serious. :dazed:

minterke
06 May 07, 17:51
At Madrid where you have idiots like Robinho (biggest idiot I've ever seen), Roberto Carlos, Capello etc who flap run their mouth all the time Cassano has been quiet yes.

Suneet
06 May 07, 19:40
At Madrid where you have idiots like Robinho (biggest idiot I've ever seen), Roberto Carlos, Capello etc who flap run their mouth all the time Cassano has been quiet yes.

I agree with Mikey, Cassano has only been bad towards Crapello.

interista
06 May 07, 20:26
We should sign cassano I think, in his best days he was BETTER THAN TOTTI. Its a gamble but why now?we are in the situation where we have right to gamble, I hope we sign cassano.

Handoyo
06 May 07, 20:36
Why are we in the situation to gamble? :confused: When you gamble, it's because you have nothing to lose and you are hoping that your gamble pay off. We are winning right now and we will lose a great dressing room should one troublemaker spoil it all up. And besides, we are already taking a huge gamble by keeping Adriano.

Let's try and revive careers one by one. Adriano is in a huge slump and taking another player who is in the same kind of form is just ridiculous guys. And both players on their form, Adriano is much better so let's concentrate on him first.

shahz_nerazzurri
06 May 07, 20:43
At Madrid where you have idiots like Robinho (biggest idiot I've ever seen), Roberto Carlos, Capello etc who flap run their mouth all the time Cassano has been quiet yes.

this post doesnt even make sense.
Cassano has been everything but quiet at Madrid.
When he signed for them, he said how grateful he was to play for a club like Real Madrid. And how Capello is one tactician who understands him. blaah blaah blaah. Ten days in to the season, Capello is a f-ckin wanker. His imitations of Capello (which were quite funny tbh), and every other thing, just shows that he is simply retarded.
Then he gave another statement, that he is sorry for Roma, and would walk back to Rome, if given a chance.

And some one mentioned class is permanent?? When was the last time Cassano showed class. The only time I can remember was that Juve game, which was like 3-4 years ago

snake
06 May 07, 22:25
Han we are in a position to gamble. We have great strikers, if Ibra and Crespo stay and we add Suazo. Of course we can gamble by bringing in Cassano.

even if he doesnt play a single game cause he flops and never settles in, thats only still a loss of a few million..big woop.

but if he turns it around (and there is a chance) you will have the next Totti.

Handoyo
06 May 07, 23:31
And if he flops but keep playing just like Adriano currently is doing and cost us matches?

I think you are contradicting yourself. We have great strikers so why the hell do we need to change anything? What we need to focus next season is to recover Adriano and gel him up with Ibrahimovic. Getting Cassano will just be a distraction and we'd be doing something redundant.

The only scenario in which I'd accept Cassano is if we sell Adriano and honestly, for me it's just like a pick your poison kinda thing.

snake
07 May 07, 00:52
And if he flops but keep playing just like Adriano currently is doing and cost us matches?


That of course would be a huge risk, but who on earth said we have to play him? I say we get him with the intention of working him and easing him in. Just like Maxwell did with certain appearences after a while of training and showing mancini he is ready then he can slowly prove himself as a part of the team.

I never had the intention of getting him to start instantly.

Handoyo
07 May 07, 01:00
That of course would be a huge risk, but who on earth said we have to play him? I say we get him with the intention of working him and easing him in. Just like Maxwell did with certain appearences after a while of training and showing mancini he is ready then he can slowly prove himself as a part of the team.

I never had the intention of getting him to start instantly.
You may not have the intention, Helal. But Mancini, due to his affection towards Cassano (Mancio always spoke well of him) is likely to do so and that's what I'm afraid of.

J zanetti
07 May 07, 01:10
The best solution would be to see our party boy heading to Madrid for then Cassano coming back home + some cash in that deal ending up in our pocket. ;) I would in favour of such deal especially if Chelsea does let Crespo stay. Because right now IMO both are equally risky and somehow useless. After all the only reason I didn’t want Cassano back then when he was on the transfer market was due to his temper. Touch wood we have managed to gel together a squad full of big headed and temperamental players who don’t take shit from anyone in the best possible way. So although it might still be a touch risky yet I’m happy for the club to risk it all by sending the party boy to Madrid and take home Cassano. After all I see more use of a Cassano in form than Adriano at his best.
However based on Moratti’s latest comments on Adri I cant see him disappearing in the summer!!

Stefan
07 May 07, 09:23
The Aussie man and Mike are starting to convince me. Maybe Cassano ain't such a bad idea. I am still not convinced but I think Inter will make a move for him in the summer.

snake
07 May 07, 09:59
thanks for the reference.

Just for the record stefan, abotu 2 weeks ago I was spitting on the idea of Cassano. I thought it was ludacris. Then I thoguht to myself of how good the guy use to be, how he would outshine totti on many occasions and how if things were positive he would be the next Roberto Baggio, Italy's next big thing.

Sure his a far cry from that and his had his problems but then I realised that given the right opportunity to reserect his career im sure he will take it seriously and give it all. He doesnt have to start games but at training is where it counts, he has to show mancini he has the will to try and prove his worth. Then maybe sub appearences and if it goes well maybe a start and who knows, he could do a Maxwell.

Thats enough for me on this subject, purely cause i sound like a broken record now and I believe we wont get him this summer.

If his gamble doesnt work - so be it, we lose a small amount of money.. but, if it succeeds........

Stefan
07 May 07, 10:07
thanks for the reference.

Just for the record stefan, abotu 2 weeks ago I was spitting on the idea of Cassano. I thought it was ludacris. Then I thoguht to myself of how good the guy use to be, how he would outshine totti on many occasions and how if things were positive he would be the next Roberto Baggio, Italy's next big thing.

Sure his a far cry from that and his had his problems but then I realised that given the right opportunity to reserect his career im sure he will take it seriously and give it all. He doesnt have to start games but at training is where it counts, he has to show mancini he has the will to try and prove his worth. Then maybe sub appearences and if it goes well maybe a start and who knows, he could do a Maxwell.

Thats enough for me on this subject, purely cause i sound like a broken record now and I believe we wont get him this summer.

If his gamble doesnt work - so be it, we lose a small amount of money.. but, if it succeeds........

I have never doubt his talent just like I have never doubt Adriano's talent. My issue with both of them is there commitment to making sure they deliver on that talent.

Hammoudi
07 May 07, 11:51
Hmm, I think I have to disagree with Han, I think Cassano at his best is better than Adriano at his best (like Ashkan alluded to). Cassano at his best makes the team around him much better, besides, he doesn't really have to be a striker, we can invent an advanced midfield role for him.

1919
07 May 07, 12:13
yeah he can step into Stan's current role straightaway ... it is like tailor-made for him only.

Handoyo
07 May 07, 20:56
First, Helal, the main difference in our opinion is that you think if the Cassano gamble fails, we are going to just lose the transfer money and wage. I disagree with that completely. If the gamble fails, for me, we will lose our dressing room atmosphere and any matches which Cassano did badly.

Second, I don't think Cassano can play behind two strikers. Stankovic does a hell lot of defensive work when he's used there while Figo uses the flanks a lot to utilize his crosses. Cassano has neither quality and I think he is too offensive. After all, the great 03/04 Cassano you see was only playing with Totti up-front and only occassionally with Montella.

As for Adriano and Cassano at his prime, well it's up to preference but we need a goalscorer more than a playmaker considering that we already have Ibrahimovic and that's why I'd prefer to take a risk with Cassano. Why the hell take a risk for a position in which we already have Ibrahimovic!? He plays the same position as Cassano. Even if Cassano indeed becomes the second Totti or R.Baggio, that only means that we'd have to kick Ibrahimovic out of the team because they play the same position.

I repeat, if we are to take a gamble, do it for something we do not have, a goalscorer, not an attacking midfielder or a support striker, as we already have Stankovic and Ibrahimovic for those position.

minterke
07 May 07, 22:43
Han, Cassano with Roma was Ibrahimovic and Stankovic put together. Neither of those 2 EVER had the impact on Serie A like Cassano did. Have you even watched any Cassano performances for Madrid? I've seen him a few times and he looks lively but just lacks match fitness.

There's no way in hell a player of Cassano's quality can jeopardize our season.

shahz_nerazzurri
08 May 07, 06:21
Han, Cassano with Roma was Ibrahimovic and Stankovic put together. Neither of those 2 EVER had the impact on Serie A like Cassano did. Have you even watched any Cassano performances for Madrid? I've seen him a few times and he looks lively but just lacks match fitness.
.

Mikey when you start liking a player, you start making up fake facts. Cassano at Roma was not not even half of what Ibra is right now. You ask any Roman fan about Cassano, they would say that he did absolute shit for their club, and thats not because they hate him. You ask an Inter fan about Vieri, usually all of us hate him, but we still admit that he did a lot for our club.

Infact most of them even blame the Roman downfall on Cassano. They paid an astonishing 20mill pounds for this guy, and got very little in return. To me Cassano is just an over hyped player, who really doesnt have the talent, that people talk about him having.

And make no mistake, he is a nutcase and a problem creator. At Roma he had probelms with Capello, and in the crazy period when Roma had like 3 different coaches, with in a couple of months, he still found time to fight with each and every one of them. And dont think it was just the coaches, his spat with Totti is very famous. Infact he had a problem with most Roman players, and it was Panucci who came out saying that Cassano was causing dressing room problems and what not. He left to Madrid without saying good bye to any of the Roma players. Needless to say, as soon as he left, Roma managed a 11 game SERIEA winning streak.

When Capello left Roma, and Cassano started having problems with Rudi Voller, DelNieri and Spaletti, Cassano gave an statement on how great Capello was, and Capello was like a father to him, forgetting their disputes at Roma.

When Capello joined Real last year, Cassano came up with the crap, on how Capello will take his carrear back on track. blaah blaah. A month in to the season, he started crying again, and I think in one of the games, when he got tired warming the bench, came to Capello and shouted that how can the former treat him like this, after all he had done for him.

Also during Nov. he was caught on camera doing imitations of Capello and making fun of him with Diarra and Ronaldo. In fact he even said something, about Capello livng prefering Ruud and Emreson.

And after all this you guys want him at Inter :lol::lol:

And if some of you think, that he is a bigger talent than Adriano, then you are just deluding yourself.

Cassano should seriously go to a smalll club and try to make a name for himself. Palermo would be a good option.

I agree we need more Italians in the team, but Cassano is not the option.

Handoyo
09 May 07, 07:20
I agree with all that Shahz said except the first part of the last sentence. :)

As far as I can remember, Cassano was only good at Roma in 03/04. He was definitely Godly at that season but his inconsistencies was part of Roma's miserable 04/05 season. After that, as Shahz put it, he had more spat than goals or assists.

For me, the utmost important point is this. We already have one huge liability called Adriano upfront, whose career we are trying to revive, and to take the same kind of player (In terms of career) in Cassano means that we're going ahead of ourselves and may be taking too much risk.

Besides, we don't really need Cassano. Our team is doing fine. Let's focus on reviving careers one by one, starting with the player we have, Adriano, before trying to save another career.

Wallace
09 May 07, 09:04
I can't see the relation between reviving Adriano's career and reviving Cassano's career. It's like saying we would fail with Ibra + Adri up front before the season began. It's up to the player to work for his own career, what the club can do is actually very limited.

I don't know about Cassano, but I'm sure Adriano lacked the heart in reviving his own career, no matter how much focus Inter put on him, it's still up to him at the end. I'm not sure what your definition of reviving one's career is, but we definitely revived Stankovic, Ibra and Vieira this season. Therefore, I fail to see why we cannot handle "only" two players next season.

Mancini would be the man to revive Cassano's career, just like how he did with Ibra.

Lastly, I disagree about our team being that fine, because we lacked creativity without Ibrahimovic, Cassano would certainly be a bargain to add creativity to our play.

minterke
09 May 07, 15:24
Shahz, Cassano took apart every team in Serie A and that's when Serie A was way tougher than it is now. He was a better player than Ibrahimovic is now, maybe not as much flair and trickery but definetly more effective IMO.

Suneet
09 May 07, 16:43
Cassano is a brat. But he has class. He needs some love, the love that Mancio and other brats who think like him can give.:stuckup: I'm sure he will be sucessful. To me he's not even a gamble. All he needs is a summer where he practices a lot and gains fitness.

Marcello
11 May 07, 10:45
disagree han we do need a playmaker in mids not as a striker ibra has a huge influence.. we need to find a young pirlo
Cassano a brat.. na not really .. but all this cassano talk ill bet we wont even get him :lol:

Hammoudi
11 May 07, 11:41
I still don't think that Ibra and Cassano play an identical role. And I still think that Cassano can be played as a playmaker or any AM position (even on either wings, but not as a traditional winger.)

DARi0
22 May 07, 13:33
about the fact that we need more italians in our team : that's what the MEDIA says! i don't care about someone's nationality if he gives his best for INTER !! Besides, other teams are full of envy because we can afford international players! Besides, we are FC INTERNAZIONALE Milano !! This club was made for accepting non-italian players too!


And as you say, an average Italian is better(for the fans) than an average foreigner.
Like i said, italian players are too expensive! Average foreigner = average italian, but when it comes about money it's average foreigner > average italian.
BUT let's NOT have average players at INTER :D If a player is a champion, skilled and/or determined to do well for INTER i really don't care about his nationality!



DARi0 about future ITALIAN INTER players :

Say 'NO' to :

• Buffon - i hope he ends with these rumours... i don't want INTER to pay juve that kind of money for him! I am happy with Julio Cesar!
• Toni - please DON't ! there are so many better and younger strikers out there! He could be past his best... asking price too much...
• Pazzini - he WILL be good, but he needs to play & develop - i expect him to take Toni's place at Fiorentina. Let's leave him play constantly - he will be better in the next years
• Dainelli - i saw him against big teams and he's not good enough for INTER... i hope we just keep Samuel
• Quagliarella - poor stats, he only had a good season... inconsistent... would not play much anyway... somebody had to score some goals for Sampdoria too you know... didn't convince me and he wouldn't play regularly either
• Rosina, Montolivo, Bianchi, Pasqual - same as for Fabio Quagliarella - not world-class, no playing time... they need to play & develop... I think we would rather hurt them by buying them and keep on bench...
• Zambrotta - we don't need him. ex-juve saying he would like to play for milan - i`d rather take Chivu or Heinze if you want to replace Grosso.
• [b]Barzagli - i think he's over-rated... he still has a lot to learn... no need of him, just keep Samuel. We will have Andreolli for the future!

i`m neutral to :

• Lucarelli - hmmm... i don't know... i hope Crespo stays so we won't be linked with him again... Suazo could be better - because we already have Cruz.
• Mesto - i admit that i don't know much about him... but if he was INTER quality i think i might have known him


* we all know almost all good italian players are playing for an important club and they are EXPENSIVE!
There are few quality players at the MOMENT who are willing to leave and could play for INTER...
I'm ok with italian players as long as they are quality players and aren't just brought in for the sake of being Italian.
I am for what's best for INTER. For me these 3 come into discussion :

• Daniele De Rossi [24.07.1983 = 24 years old] - would be a dream. If not already, he will be world-class! Some say he is commited to Roma just like Totti, but HE never said that! I don't think he will end his career there! He stated 'you never know'... so he can be bought... with great financial effort! But, we don't need him this summer... we already have starter CD & DMs - Cambiasso, Vieira, Zanetti. It would be great to sign him in the future!
• Enzo Maresca - [10.02.1980 = 27 years old] i like this guy and rate him high... I believe he deserves to be a starter in Serie A... not sure if he can make it as a starter at INTER but he is still not old! even if he played for juventus and maybe he is still a juve fan... i like him... We also need quality substitution for our midfielders... we could play him rotational system and Dacourt as a backup - last resort... we got him for free and he is not that good in my opinion... i think you all remember Valencia - INTER... I would be delighted if we could get Maresca!!!
• [b]Antonio Cassano [12.07.1982 = 25 years old] - 'il talentino' he's world class when fit! You all remember him at Roma! Still very young! If Ronaldo's fitness can be fixed, why not fix Cassano? other arguments were given by other users that i will quote below. The only question is Adriano, Crespo, Recoba future! we can get Cassano as a Recoba replacement but if Adriano leaves you might prefer to sign someone more reliable like TEVEZ, Suazo or Henry.




Anybody who says they dont want Cassano because he is a trouble maker, is an absolute idiot. He has barely done anything in Spain and for the record, if he does anything at Inter..Mancini will just freeze him out and never call him up. That wont be a problem like at Roma, cause at Roma they had no one to back him up so they had to put up with his trouble and he knew they had no other choice.

At Inter we would not give a shit, we'd just play all our other striker and not call him up like we do with Recoba. That would be a risk if we payed 20mil for him and then did that too him, but this time round we wont be paying for him.

Its a completely different matter if you say its due to lack of form and gametime. I agree with that statement 100%. But I tell you this guys, Cassano is a freak..he always has been. Getting him very cheaply and then giving him an excellent pre season fitness wise and then we can ease him into it. If it doresnt work out, it was never a big loss cause his very cheap.

Its a gamble sure, if it doesnt work out then we lose a few million in wages but thats nothing to us..if it works out I garuntee you we have the next Totti.

The potential loss to potential gain ratio is massive,

remember guys, form is temporary..class is permanent.

AGAIN :

His mental problems were only at Roma where they had nobody but him. At inter, if he plays up Moratti and Co will jsut give him the Coco treatment, so unlike Roma where he cant be replaced he would not dare do anything wrong here at Inter.. Man even aT Madrid his been a quite fella.

There really is no risk at such a cheap price, if he screws up then big deal we lose a few mil and not let him play - we lose nothing. however, if he has an amazing pre season, back in shape and form he will be the next Totti.

Weigh up the risks.

Yes, i agree.



The best solution would be to see our party boy heading to Madrid for then Cassano coming back home + some cash in that deal ending up in our pocket. I would in favour of such deal especially if Chelsea does let Crespo stay. Because right now IMO both are equally risky and somehow useless. After all the only reason I didn’t want Cassano back then when he was on the transfer market was due to his temper. Touch wood we have managed to gel together a squad full of big headed and temperamental players who don’t take shit from anyone in the best possible way. So although it might still be a touch risky yet I’m happy for the club to risk it all by sending the party boy to Madrid and take home Cassano



Adriano - Cassano swap (+cash for INTER or Diarra) could be good for both sides i guess... but we must expect Adriano be better in 2-3 years... and maybe he won't be too excited to re-join INTER... But then again, if we keep him, he might ruin his career by behaving like now... party and missing training... playing nothing in official matches...

brehme1989
22 May 07, 14:57
Well, for me it's like one kilo of iron>one kilo of cotton, since I prefer to have iron to cotton :D Both are the same in a way.
And about the pay, I don't get why fans should care this much when it's about Inter! If we were Viola or Lazio, then yes, you should bother, but we are Inter, so leave the money up to the direction and moan about whoever you want to see at your favourite club with pleasure... What if Tevez and Messi cost Inter 100M? If we win a treble with them, we'll get it back, and it's not like any of you is going to lose money directly from that(inderectly-> bets on Inter :D)

Handoyo
23 May 07, 01:06
I swear to God, if I don't know any better, Dario is Pravesh's brother from another mother.

In case you're wondering, Dario, you have an freakily same posting style as Pravesh and the same interest, transfers, transfers and more transfers.

interista
23 May 07, 01:26
Cassono is so young, come on guys this is obvious...Under right coach/managment the guy has to become amazing. Everybody was talking that cassono is even better than totti when they played together. We can get him so easily and actually i am not very worried about his out field activities...we have unique experience with adriano...anyways recoba bye bye and hopefully suazo or cassano in

Pravesh
23 May 07, 15:30
I swear to God, if I don't know any better, Dario is Pravesh's brother from another mother.

In case you're wondering, Dario, you have an freakily same posting style as Pravesh and the same interest, transfers, transfers and more transfers.

Handoyo !! c'mmon, don't tell me that all I care is about transfers. :( :boogy:

I definitely post more in that thread though, there's no doubt about it. But that only used to be the case till like 1/2 seasons back. I have kinda shut that habit of mine since then.

The thing I often want to post here is to show the options we have from many available players. I would always be happy with 5/6 purchases per season, even though that might not be the case for next season, as we are all but perfect.

I definitely don't agree with those who say that we don't need to change the starting 11 for next season.;) :stuckup:

Handoyo, you dissappointed me !! :lol:

Seriously, what Inter has to do is, get the very main player who is rejected by Handoyo. He will shine in Inter. :D

I love TRANSFER RUMOUR THREAD :) :joker:

Handoyo
23 May 07, 17:36
Did I say that you're only interest is transfer? :boogy:

You should take that as a praise man. You're our #1 transfer reporter/analyst. :star::boogy:

Pravesh
23 May 07, 18:13
Did I say that you're only interest is transfer? :boogy:

You should take that as a praise man. You're our #1 transfer reporter/analyst. :star::boogy:

Nah, you dissappointed me Handoyo. I had high hopes from you .....

















:lol: :lol: :D

Pod
07 Jul 07, 10:14
How about those new regulations ?

after Grosso leaving wa have only Orlandoni, Toldo and Mterazzi as Italians(Grosso and Andreolli are leaving). Does it mean we have to buy someone italian to register in CL ?


at italian forum say that 25 players list must include 7 italians(we have 3) so the other 4 would be primavera. So overalll it will be 21 effective players to be registrated. So looks that people like Solari or Dacourt(Kovac if arrive) will be out of CL.

I've heard the same goes to italian serie a. Don't know if it's true...

Stefan
07 Jul 07, 11:52
How about those new regulations ?

after Grosso leaving wa have only Orlandoni, Toldo and Mterazzi as Italians(Grosso and Andreolli are leaving). Does it mean we have to buy someone italian to register in CL ?


at italian forum say that 25 players list must include 7 italians(we have 3) so the other 4 would be primavera. So overalll it will be 21 effective players to be registrated. So looks that people like Solari or Dacourt(Kovac if arrive) will be out of CL.

I've heard the same goes to italian serie a. Don't know if it's true...

For the first season you need 2 confederation players thats matrix and orlandoni and 2 home grown players( we can use any two ) in the a list. It goes up to 4 for season 2008/2009 and max of 8.

And it's not Italian. It just players who were developed for 3 years between the ages of 17 and 23 at inter for home grown or an Italian club for federation players.

Haven't heard anything on serie a only uefa has an official rule as far as I know.

Pod
07 Jul 07, 12:44
thanks for info. now it makes more sense

that articles are confusing...

http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo369650.shtml
(http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2005/04/22/sport/uefaadoptshome-grownpolicyfrom2006.html)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2005/02/04/sfnbos04.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/02/04/ixfooty.html

minterke
07 Jul 07, 16:19
3 ****in Italians

this is embarassing

M.Adnan
07 Jul 07, 16:45
And it's not Italian. It just players who were developed for 3 years between the ages of 17 and 23 at inter for home grown or an Italian club for federation players.


In that case, we don't have problems in Inter.

Adriano came to Italy when he was 19.
Stankovic was 20 years old when he came to Italy (Lazio).
David Suazo was 20 years old too when he first played for Cagliari.
I'm not sure about Crespo, but he was 20-21 when he played for Parma.

Plus our Italians, Materazzi, Toldo, Orlandoni and Andreolli.

Pod
07 Jul 07, 16:55
I've read thye age is between 15-21


Anyway that's from Corriere

Inter in CL next season after new regulations:

3 home grown players:
Orlandoni
Bolzoni
Esposito(o Andreolli if stays)

3 italians:
Materazzi
Toldo o Pagliuca
another Primavera o Maresca o Cassano


So, 25(nr that can be registrated) - 3 youngsters = that gives 22 first team players. Someone will be droped and will not play in CL, Solari and Rivas I guess.

8ballmjg
07 Jul 07, 17:03
Why must we have italians in our team?

minterke
07 Jul 07, 18:10
Cuz we're an Italian club representing Italy and the Lega Calcio Italian Serie A League. Every Interista should want more Italians in the team because what's the point of supporting an Italian club if you don't want Italians in the team...it's ridiculous.

I'm not saying let's have a lineup full of Italians, but 3 Italians and 2 of them being reserves is disgusting.

Stefan
07 Jul 07, 19:23
Cuz we're an Italian club representing Italy and the Lega Calcio Italian Serie A League. Every Interista should want more Italians in the team because what's the point of supporting an Italian club if you don't want Italians in the team...it's ridiculous.

I'm not saying let's have a lineup full of Italians, but 3 Italians and 2 of them being reserves is disgusting.

Our name and roots are FC Internazionale. We should have whatever player is the best for Inter irrespective of his nationality. Thats the way Inter is and the way we should stay.

Adnan adriano never played 3 straight years at a club he was only 2 seasons at parma,half a season at inter and half a season at fiorentina before he turned 23.

Not sure about deki.

Maybe it's 15 and 21 not 100% sure but we will be fine.

minterke
07 Jul 07, 19:38
Our name and roots are FC Internazionale Milano. We represent the city of Milano and not a center for immigrants.

8ballmjg
08 Jul 07, 09:31
We broke up with milan because we wanted immigrants that&#180;s the root of inter

Stefan
08 Jul 07, 10:05
Our name and roots are FC Internazionale Milano. We represent the city of Milano and not a center for immigrants.

We were formed because we wanted a side were any nationality is welcome which wasn't the case at bb milan.

But again this is a pointless argument both sides have their opinion and both arguments are valid.

Stefan
08 Jul 07, 13:48
I've read thye age is between 15-21


Anyway that's from Corriere

Inter in CL next season after new regulations:

3 home grown players:
Orlandoni
Bolzoni
Esposito(o Andreolli if stays)

3 italians:
Materazzi
Toldo o Pagliuca
another Primavera o Maresca o Cassano


So, 25(nr that can be registrated) - 3 youngsters = that gives 22 first team players. Someone will be droped and will not play in CL, Solari and Rivas I guess.

You are right Pod it's 15 - 21 years.

The exact regulations are set out in the uefa cl regulations which can be downloaded from uefa.com it's in a pdf file so it's not working when I try to copy it so can't paste it here.

M.Adnan
08 Jul 07, 13:50
Adnan adriano never played 3 straight years at a club he was only 2 seasons at parma,half a season at inter and half a season at fiorentina before he turned 23.

I know but he still played 3 straight years in Italy. I never thought that they should be 3 straight years in only one Italian club.. :confused:

Stefan
08 Jul 07, 13:53
I know but he still played 3 straight years in Italy. I never thought that they should be 3 straight years in only one Italian club.. :confused:

They have to straight in one club.

But it's rather ironic that Orlandoni qualifies as a home grown player. He was part of the inter youth system way back in the old days so we can use him.

But we will be fine. We have enough youngsters .

Knightz
08 Jul 07, 14:27
Inter is the joke of the Serie A. 3 Italian Roster players? And only 1 of them actually play? Get this disgrace of a club out of the country and ship it to South America where it belongs.

FORZA ROMA!!!!!! A TRUE ITALIAN TEAM.

Suneet
08 Jul 07, 14:49
Inter is the joke of the Serie A. 3 Italian Roster players? And only 1 of them actually play? Get this disgrace of a club out of the country and ship it to South America where it belongs.

FORZA ROMA!!!!!! A TRUE ITALIAN TEAM.

Gismo in disguise. :rolleyes:

Fabio
08 Jul 07, 20:26
So to qualify you just count on 'them' Italian youth players, are them kind of fans..

brehme1989
08 Jul 07, 23:54
If anyone believes the above sentence makes sense, PM me :lol:

Fabio, what are you talking about? :confused:

Alex de Large
09 Jul 07, 01:21
Too bad Maresca won't come, it would be the ideal player for Inter.

Pulsar36
09 Jul 07, 01:38
Right now not counting Chino we have 19 free players, 2 club trained players, and 2 Association trained players. We can have a maximum of 3 association trained players, meaning if we want the full 25 man squad for next year's CL, then we better get a really good club trained players (impossible- so a youth player will do) and a really good association trained player (an Italian basically.....unless you can find a foreigner who did time in the slammers from age 15 to 21)

Cassano?

This also means that if we sign any more high profile guys.....then unless we get rid of a player, then that person is useless for our CL campaign unless we take someone like Cesar or Solari off the CL registration list

See here for more info

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=218755

Choppin Onions
09 Jul 07, 04:22
If anyone believes the above sentence makes sense, PM me :lol:

Fabio, what are you talking about? :confused:

I didn't get it either. Fabio must be drunk or I'm just not drunk enough to understand it.

Fabio
09 Jul 07, 14:36
If someone could tell me what my message meant, please do pm lol I dont know myself but basically i hate those who just refer to our name...

There is a "nazi" in our name, should we get all of them?

Stefan
09 Jul 07, 20:11
If someone could tell me what my message meant, please do pm lol I dont know myself but basically i hate those who just refer to our name...

There is a "nazi" in our name, should we get all of them?

No and we didn't say don't get Italians. We just want the best players for inter irrespective of nationality.

Thats the difference here. some of us want Italians in the side others of us don't care as long as they are the best available players.