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CafeCordoba
19 Jun 09, 09:52
I don't know why are you still linking him with Barcelona..

Because nothing is certain yet. We have to wait to the point, when Barcelona splashes big money, and also Real Madrid seems to be willing to splash one more time. Then we know where Zlatan will play next season. I don't think he will move to Chelsea.

Forza ragazzi
20 Jun 09, 09:15
Just as I expected. Mourinho wants Ibra to make a decision before the LA gathering 12 July.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun20d.html

CafeCordoba
20 Jun 09, 09:20
Unfortunately it isn't up to Zlatan. It's up to Barcelona or Real Madrid. If they make a reasonable bid after that date, Inter will sell, make no mistake about that. That's why this situation is fucked up, like Han and I said week or two ago (can't remember). It's not up to Inter to decide the situation, because Zlatan is ready to jump immediately when the right offer arrives.

Forza ragazzi
20 Jun 09, 10:16
Unfortunately it isn't up to Zlatan. It's up to Barcelona or Real Madrid. If they make a reasonable bid after that date, Inter will sell, make no mistake about that. That's why this situation is fucked up, like Han and I said week or two ago (can't remember). It's not up to Inter to decide the situation, because Zlatan is ready to jump immediately when the right offer arrives.

I don't believe this. Mourinho won't allow Inter to sell much later than that, because we can't end up without a replacement.

CafeCordoba
20 Jun 09, 10:27
I don't believe this. Mourinho won't allow Inter to sell much later than that, because we can't end up without a replacement.

I repeat. Make no mistake, Inter will sell Zlatan regardless of date being before or after 12 July if the reasonable offer arrives. Of course Inter try to make the deal before if there is some real interest. 12 July isn't some unconditional deadline if the interest is still there but the deal hasn't been reached yet.

Btw, like I posted in Transfer section, according to Recalcati Branca is at Madrid.

Besnik
20 Jun 09, 10:29
I don't understand, how can Inter sell new brasilian Pele' :cry:

tritolone
20 Jun 09, 10:42
Man, I thought this topic was over.

Stefan
20 Jun 09, 10:47
Man, I thought this topic was over.

This is mercato season nothing is over till 19:00 31 August for italian clubs (buying players) and 24:00 for european clubs (selling players).

Till then don't believe a word, things change very very fast.

Forza ragazzi
20 Jun 09, 11:13
I repeat. Make no mistake, Inter will sell Zlatan regardless of date being before or after 12 July if the reasonable offer arrives. Of course Inter try to make the deal before if there is some real interest. 12 July isn't some unconditional deadline if the interest is still there but the deal hasn't been reached yet.

Btw, like I posted in Transfer section, according to Recalcati Branca is at Madrid.

I don't believe we will make the mistake of selling Ibra without having time to negotiate a sufficient replacement.

CafeCordoba
20 Jun 09, 11:33
I don't believe we will make the mistake of selling Ibra without having time to negotiate a sufficient replacement.

Like Stefan said, the mercato ends 31th of August, not 12th of July. There are over one and half months between those dates. Plenty of time to buy a sufficient replacement. Not that I'd like that, but this is how it goes.

Executioner93
20 Jun 09, 11:51
Calm down guys calm down Mourinho said big money and a big player if they were to think about selling Ibra. Maicon wants to be paid what he is the best rb in the world and a possibility to go down as the best of all time. It's all a damn ploy we will keep our stars and bring in Deco, Carvalho, Arnautovic, and hopefully Cassano, Tevez, or Drogba one of them would be superb. The other thing is if you consider all the player contracts released and money from the sales we will possibly end up not having to pay a dime.

Forza ragazzi
20 Jun 09, 12:53
Like Stefan said, the mercato ends 31th of August, not 12th of July. There are over one and half months between those dates. Plenty of time to buy a sufficient replacement. Not that I'd like that, but this is how it goes.

This is why we want him sold or confirmed by that date.

Stefan
20 Jun 09, 17:26
Real fans don't want ibra.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://www.24oredisport.com/%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D12784

Besnik
20 Jun 09, 17:31
Nice to hear that Stefan, really I care for everything about Ibra,so I'm waiting that last day when definitivly Ibra will stay with us ;)

Nyall
20 Jun 09, 17:53
Right now I could hardly care whether or not Ibra stays or goes. But I would really like some clarity from Zlatan as to whether or not he intends to stay or go. As he is, IMO hurting the club.

DARi0
20 Jun 09, 17:54
I believe only Real Madrid can afford Zlatan right now, so I guess it depends on Villa. I say 99% Zlatan will stay.

classexa
20 Jun 09, 18:04
As I have said many times before, he'll stay :lol:

Nyall
20 Jun 09, 18:15
REAL MADRID-Raiola: CONTACT

Yesterday, Real Madrid met with the prosecutor Ibrahimovic, Mino Raiola. Secondo il quotidiano Marca, le merengues sarebbero in dubbio tra Ibra e Benzema, ma potrebbero anche trovare un accordo con l'Inter per lasciare strada ai nerazzurri proprio per il gioiello francese del Lione. According to the newspaper Marca, the merengues are in doubt between Ibra and Benzema, but they might also find an agreement with Inter to leave the road because of the Nerazzurri jewel of French Lyon.

Sul tavolo della trattativa, secondo il quotidiano spagnolo, potrebbero finire (non tutti ovviamente) Diarra, Higuain, Sneijder e Robben. On the table of negotiation, according to the Spanish daily, could end up (not all of course) Diarra, Higuaín, Sneijder and Robben. Mourinho avrebbe già dato l'ok alla cessione. Mourinho has already given the ok at the sale.

A.l.i
20 Jun 09, 19:51
Real fans don't want ibra.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://www.24oredisport.com/%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D12784

Yeah, for them retards Villa is better than Zlatan and Ramos is better than Maicon. :howler:

Forza ragazzi
20 Jun 09, 19:53
Villa is a fantastic striker. Him with Ibra would've been i-m-m-e-n-s-e. Plus that Han would have had to run naked around San Francisco if Villa signed.

classexa
20 Jun 09, 20:56
REAL MADRID-Raiola: CONTACT

Yesterday, Real Madrid met with the prosecutor Ibrahimovic, Mino Raiola. Secondo il quotidiano Marca, le merengues sarebbero in dubbio tra Ibra e Benzema, ma potrebbero anche trovare un accordo con l'Inter per lasciare strada ai nerazzurri proprio per il gioiello francese del Lione. According to the newspaper Marca, the merengues are in doubt between Ibra and Benzema, but they might also find an agreement with Inter to leave the road because of the Nerazzurri jewel of French Lyon.

Sul tavolo della trattativa, secondo il quotidiano spagnolo, potrebbero finire (non tutti ovviamente) Diarra, Higuain, Sneijder e Robben. On the table of negotiation, according to the Spanish daily, could end up (not all of course) Diarra, Higuaín, Sneijder and Robben. Mourinho avrebbe già dato l'ok alla cessione. Mourinho has already given the ok at the sale.

Raiola denied this

tritolone
20 Jun 09, 21:16
REAL MADRID-Raiola: CONTACT

Yesterday, Real Madrid met with the prosecutor Ibrahimovic, Mino Raiola. Secondo il quotidiano Marca, le merengues sarebbero in dubbio tra Ibra e Benzema, ma potrebbero anche trovare un accordo con l'Inter per lasciare strada ai nerazzurri proprio per il gioiello francese del Lione. According to the newspaper Marca, the merengues are in doubt between Ibra and Benzema, but they might also find an agreement with Inter to leave the road because of the Nerazzurri jewel of French Lyon.

Sul tavolo della trattativa, secondo il quotidiano spagnolo, potrebbero finire (non tutti ovviamente) Diarra, Higuain, Sneijder e Robben. On the table of negotiation, according to the Spanish daily, could end up (not all of course) Diarra, Higuaín, Sneijder and Robben. Mourinho avrebbe già dato l'ok alla cessione. Mourinho has already given the ok at the sale.

That my friend is a conditional verb...Meaning: Mourinho IS SUPPOSED to have given the approval.-

Nyall
20 Jun 09, 21:18
Do I look like someone who knows a word of Italian? I posted it here in the hopes of someone translating it.

NimAraya
20 Jun 09, 21:24
I just saw in a dream that Zlatan went to Bayern for 130 m!!!:P

classexa
20 Jun 09, 22:39
I just saw in a dream that Zlatan went to Bayern for 130 m!!!:P

Really?! :drool:

Don Tomaso
20 Jun 09, 23:00
I just saw in a dream that Zlatan went to Bayern for 130 m!!!:P

Have you tipped off the press yet? I'm sure they have a frontpage open for that kind of news! :P

tritolone
21 Jun 09, 00:16
Do I look like someone who knows a word of Italian? I posted it here in the hopes of someone translating it.

Sorry, I thought you translated it yourself. It's translated OK other than "avrebbe".

NimAraya
21 Jun 09, 04:28
Have you tipped off the press yet? I'm sure they have a frontpage open for that kind of news! :P

Hahaha no way! Cause I have a long history of seeing absolute nonsense dreams!:dielaugh:

lonewolf19
21 Jun 09, 04:37
NimAraya, you need to stay away from football for a while :lol:

NimAraya
21 Jun 09, 04:50
NimAraya, you need to stay away from football for a while :lol:

Actually I want to suggest that to everyone here!:D

Nero Indigo
21 Jun 09, 09:17
NimAraya, you need to stay away from football for a while :lol:

Modified Post: NimAraya, you need to stay away from IBRA for a while :dielaugh:

Forza ragazzi
21 Jun 09, 11:11
Some of you will like this. Zeman pretty much says that if Ibra moves, it is for CL, but Zeman points out that Ibra should remember he is part of Inter and that he is the top earner which means he shouldn't complain about everything else. Basically, Zeman tells Ibra to step up for Inter in CL.

http://24oredisport.com/?action=read&idnotizia=12810

blackmore
21 Jun 09, 14:04
Some of you will like this. Zeman pretty much says that if Ibra moves, it is for CL, but Zeman points out that Ibra should remember he is part of Inter and that he is the top earner which means he shouldn't complain about everything else. Basically, Zeman tells Ibra to step up for Inter in CL.

http://24oredisport.com/?action=read&idnotizia=12810

hell yeah what a legend....

A.l.i
21 Jun 09, 15:53
Some of you will like this. Zeman pretty much says that if Ibra moves, it is for CL, but Zeman points out that Ibra should remember he is part of Inter and that he is the top earner which means he shouldn't complain about everything else. Basically, Zeman tells Ibra to step up for Inter in CL.

http://24oredisport.com/?action=read&idnotizia=12810

I read somewhere else that Zeman told Ibra to remember that he was also part of the Inter team which goes out every year. :howler:

minterke
21 Jun 09, 16:44
Zeman is 100% right.

Hussein
21 Jun 09, 16:54
I can't believe what's happening!! All Italian Interisti on my facebook are fuming!! All kinds of swearing for Maicon and Ibra!!

Someone said that "we should kill both"!!

Raul Duke
21 Jun 09, 17:14
Why isn't anyone showing this sort of hate towards Balotelli?
He's clearly stated that he WILL leave in the future, he demands a lot of gametime. Unlike the other two, he's Italian and should be more loyal to the club, not to mention that he was nursed by Inter.

I'm not saying that we should hold it against Balo, but it's a doulbe standard

NimAraya
21 Jun 09, 17:36
It's funny in this article there is no word being saif from Ibra! But it says Ibra wants Madrid move!!

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/06/21/1338504/zlatan-ibrahimovic-i-wait-for-real-madrid-call

Nero Indigo
21 Jun 09, 17:53
There are articles from Marca saying he'd even take a pay cut to move. Like if that happens, it really means Ibra is just tired of Inter. O when will this whole thing come to an end!!? :(

NimAraya
21 Jun 09, 18:00
Lol. I really don't give a crap about what this or that site say from someone's mouth. That's a rotten trick.

CafeCordoba
21 Jun 09, 18:15
Moratti gives 50% that Ibra and Maicon stays.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.fcinternews.it/index.php%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D5761&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.fcinternews.it/index.php%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D5761&hl=en&langpair=auto%7Cen&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1)

Hussein
21 Jun 09, 18:17
Ibra and Maicon fanboys should start looking for new teams to support.

Moratti "there's a 50% chance that Ibra and Maicon will remain at Inter" :D

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/inter/?action=read&idnotizia=5761

Moratti said that Laporta was really not interested in Ibra... what a shame Ibra!! Laporta thinks you're not worth the money!!

emily_se
21 Jun 09, 18:43
Moratti and Laporta of Barcelona meet in Barcelona for dinner on June 5. Officially Moratti later denies a deal was struck, but Moratti looks like he just swallowed a canary..


June 5;

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/539/laportamorattibarcelona.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/laportamorattibarcelona.jpg/)


June 10;

Zlatan Ibrahimovic reveals in a Swedish TV interview they "know where he is going but they prefer to keep it to themselves for the moment." "It feels damn good", he says with a huge smile, to a question on how it feels to know where he will be playing.



June 11;


I live four minutes by car from Zlatan in Malmö.

In the afternoon on Thursday, June 11, one week after the Laporta/Moratti meeting, I see a black "Audi Courtesy Car" parked outside Zlatan's house in Malmö. A man in his fifties dressed in a black suit and carrying an attache case exits that car and enters Zlatan's property.

Audi is the official sponsor of FC Barcelona.




I have also previously seen men with a large lorry with an Italian license plate carrying stuff into his property.

I now repeatedly see a black Fiat 500 with an Italian license plate parked outside his house. Do they really bother exporting a Fiat 500 car from Italy if they are planning on going back to Italy?


To me it is obvious that he has been constantly moving his property from Italy since the end of May - beginning of June when the deal with Barcelona was probably made.

2 + 2 = 4

Ilkinio
21 Jun 09, 18:48
We are so lucky we have expert in swallowing canaries on our board.

P.S. Audi is sponsor of Inter too. 2+2 is not always 4? He is bothering moving Fiat to Sweden, because he will retire this summer and coach Malmo junior team.

NimAraya
21 Jun 09, 18:49
June 11;


I live four minutes by car from Zlatan in Malmö.

In the afternoon on Thursday, June 11, one week after the LaPorta/Moratti meeting, I see a black "Audi Courtesy Car" parked outside Zlatan's house in Malmö. A man in his fifties dressed in a black suit and carrying an attache case enters Zlatan's property.

Audi is the official sponsor of FC Barcelona.




I have also previously seen men with a large lorry with an Italian license plate carrying stuff into his property.

I have recently repeatedly seen a small Fiat 500 with an Italian license plate parked outside his house. Do they really bother exporting a Fiat 500 car from Italy if they are planning on going back to Italy?

2+2=4

They are from Hollywood. They're hiring Zlatan as the new James Bond due to his acrobatic skills and so 0+7= 007

Adam
21 Jun 09, 18:50
:lol:

Suneet
21 Jun 09, 18:51
And Maicon maybe drives an Opel. Opel was the sponsor of Bbilan a few years back. Bbilan is signing Maicon.

3-1=2

emily_se
21 Jun 09, 18:56
P.S. Audi is sponsor of Inter too.

No, they are not. Volvo is the official sponsor car for Inter. Any move to Audi would indicate a Barcelona cooperation.

Inter sponsors;

http://www.inter.it/aas/sponsor/home?L=it

Ilkinio
21 Jun 09, 18:58
No, they are not. Volvo is the official sponsor car for Inter. Any move to Audi would indicate a Barcelona cooperation.

CRonaldo drived Ferrari few months back. Does this indicate move to Juve?

emily_se
21 Jun 09, 19:04
CRonaldo drived Ferrari few months back. Does this indicate move to Juve?


Maybe I wasn't making myself clear.

The man in his fifties with the black business suit and the attache case was the one driving the official Audi courtesy car. I saw him exit that car and enter Zlatan's property one week after the Moratti/LaPorta meeting.

Suneet
21 Jun 09, 19:10
Then why is it taking so long, if its all done? Why are Real rumoured to him? Why is Raiola talking about a pay cut?

Ilkinio
21 Jun 09, 19:10
Fucking stalker.

emily_se
21 Jun 09, 19:12
Fucking stalker.

Since I drive through there every day to and from my work I'm a stalker? You're an idiot who is angry because I revealed he is as good as gone. It's not my fault that he doesn't want to be in Italy any more.


Moratti and Laporta of Barcelona meet in Barcelona for dinner on June 5. Officially Moratti later denies a deal was struck, but Moratti looks like he just swallowed a canary..


June 5;

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/539/laportamorattibarcelona.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/laportamorattibarcelona.jpg/)


June 10;

Zlatan Ibrahimovic reveals in a Swedish TV interview they "know where he is going but they prefer to keep it to themselves for the moment." "It feels damn good", he says with a huge smile, to a question on how it feels to know where he will be playing.



June 11;


I live four minutes by car from Zlatan in Malmö.

In the afternoon on Thursday, June 11, one week after the Laporta/Moratti meeting, I see a black "Audi Courtesy Car" parked outside Zlatan's house in Malmö. A man in his fifties dressed in a black suit and carrying an attache case exits that car and enters Zlatan's property.

Audi is the official sponsor of FC Barcelona.




I have also previously seen men with a large lorry with an Italian license plate carrying stuff into his property.

I now repeatedly see a black Fiat 500 with an Italian license plate parked outside his house. Do they really bother exporting a Fiat 500 car from Italy if they are planning on going back to Italy?


To me it is obvious that he has been constantly moving his property from Italy since the end of May - beginning of June when the deal with Barcelona was probably made.

2 + 2 = 4

Adam
21 Jun 09, 19:20
In the end your theory makes or breaks on some guy in his fifties, holding a briefcase, leaving an Audi and entering into Ibra's property. Surely you can see this is pretty weak? This is not 2 + 2 = 4.

NimAraya
21 Jun 09, 19:22
Oh, really? Since I drive through there every day to and from my work I'm a stalker? You're an idiot who is pissed off since I revealed he is as good as gone.

Thank me for the info instead of being a jerk.


Don't shoot the messenger.

Moratti and Laporta of Barcelona meet in Barcelona for dinner on June 5. Officially Moratti later denies a deal was struck, but Moratti looks like he just swallowed a canary..


June 5;

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/539/laportamorattibarcelona.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/laportamorattibarcelona.jpg/)


June 10;

Zlatan Ibrahimovic reveals in a Swedish TV interview they "know where he is going but they prefer to keep it to themselves for the moment." "It feels damn good", he says with a huge smile, to a question on how it feels to know where he will be playing.



June 11;


I live four minutes by car from Zlatan in Malmö.

In the afternoon on Thursday, June 11, one week after the LaPorta/Moratti meeting, I see a black "Audi Courtesy Car" parked outside Zlatan's house in Malmö. A man in his fifties dressed in a black suit and carrying an attache case exits that car and enters Zlatan's property.

Audi is the official sponsor of FC Barcelona.




I have also previously seen men with a large lorry with an Italian license plate carrying stuff into his property.

I now repeatedly see a black Fiat 500 with an Italian license plate parked outside his house. Do they really bother exporting a Fiat 500 car from Italy if they are planning on going back to Italy?


To me it is obvious that he has been constantly moving his property from Italy since the end of May - beginning of June when the deal with Barcelona was probably made.

2 + 2 = 4

Why the hell u keep posting the same thing???????????????????????????????

emily_se
21 Jun 09, 19:23
In the end your theory makes or breaks on some guy in his fifties, holding a briefcase, leaving an Audi and entering into Ibra's property. Surely you can see this is pretty weak? This is not 2 + 2 = 4.


You have to put all of the circumstantial facts together. That's how circumstantial evidence works. If you put everything together and view the whole picture..yes..I'd say you have 2 + 2 = 4.

Adam
21 Jun 09, 19:35
You have to put all of the circumstantial facts together. That's how circumstantial evidence works. If you put everything together and view the whole picture..yeah..I'd say you have 2 + 2 = 4.

That could be anyone dude. Maybe Ibra is investing in some project, he's known to do that. Maybe they were just finishing some business regarding his house. Some papers he needed to sign for Nike etc. That could be anyone for any reason, it doesn't even have to be business related.

I'd say the probability of the guy you saw being connected to Barca is less than 5 %. Still, thx for sharing it though.;)

Forza ragazzi
21 Jun 09, 19:42
It's a theory, emily, nothing more. At this point you are talking about a man, an Audi, a briefcase and stuff belonging to Ibra. Then you make it crystal clear that the obvious solution is 2+2=4 aka Ibra to Barcelona. Why would Moratti say 50-50 if there was a done deal?

Ilkinio
21 Jun 09, 19:46
Only indication for me would be clear link to Cassano/Aguero/Benzema/etc.

Forza ragazzi
21 Jun 09, 19:49
I don't see any reason why we shouldn't say he is set for Barca. Barca wanted it part of this years budget or whatever it was and Ibra is not taking part in any tournament. There is no reason why we shouldn't confirm this transfer a la Motta-Milito if it indeed is done.

emily_se
21 Jun 09, 19:50
It's a theory, emily, nothing more. At this point you are talking about a man, an Audi, a briefcase and stuff belonging to Ibra. Then you make it crystal clear that the obvious solution is 2+2=4 aka Ibra to Barcelona. Why would Moratti say 50-50 if there was a done deal?


You believe what you want to believe. Had I seen Laporta himself entering Zlatan's house you would have told me they share an interest in football so it means nothing.. lol

As for Moratti..who knows why he is not honest. He also said " There is a 99% possibility that Ronaldo will stay."

He obviously doesn't want the deal to be official yet.

Suneet
21 Jun 09, 19:56
You believe what you want to believe. Had I seen Laporta himself entering Zlatan's house you would have told me they share an interest in football so it means nothing.. lol

As for Moratti..who knows why he is not honest. He also said " There is a 99% possibility that Ronaldo will stay."

He obviously doesn't want the deal to be official yet.

First let me make it clear... We have resigned to losing Zlatan, most of us. I dont think what joy you are getting by posting the obvious.

Now with all due respect, I think if we really had sold him, we would be negotiating for a new striker and not wasting time as Mourinho wants everyone to be on the plane to the US.

Nero Indigo
21 Jun 09, 20:03
Muhahahaha! Leave Emily alone, I'M ENJOYING THIS :dielaugh:

Forza ragazzi
21 Jun 09, 20:31
You believe what you want to believe. Had I seen Laporta himself entering Zlatan's house you would have told me they share an interest in football so it means nothing.. lol

As for Moratti..who knows why he is not honest. He also said " There is a 99% possibility that Ronaldo will stay."

He obviously doesn't want the deal to be official yet.

I have not told you anything, but it's only you who is wholly convinced about this. We have no guarantees whatsoever that you are telling the truth. Surely you see this as well. You might be right, you might be wrong, but you getting "offended" by us not believing you is ludicrous.

We are all aware that Ibra can leave, but your story is not trustworthy at all. I'm not saying it's wrong or right; I'm saying it's not trustworthy.

You believe what you want to believe goes for you too, you know :)

shahz_nerazzurri
21 Jun 09, 20:38
Man, these dumb swedish fan boys keep on getting dumber and dumber day by day? Even when it seems its just not possible to get any more dumber.

Stefan
21 Jun 09, 22:43
After moratti's words I am pretty sure ibra and maicon will be gone. All I can for is ibra goes to money bags perez and not stingy la porta.

Parisi reckons we will let ibra go for €50 million plus drogba to chelsea.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.24oredisport.com%2F%3Faction%3D read%26idnotizia%3D12871&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=

emily_se
21 Jun 09, 23:16
I have not told you anything, but it's only you who is wholly convinced about this. We have no guarantees whatsoever that you are telling the truth. Surely you see this as well. You might be right, you might be wrong, but you getting "offended" by us not believing you is ludicrous.

We are all aware that Ibra can leave, but your story is not trustworthy at all. I'm not saying it's wrong or right; I'm saying it's not trustworthy.

You believe what you want to believe goes for you too, you know :)

I haven't said I am wholly convinced and I'm not offended. People will believe what they want. I do believe that the things I have seen for myself outside his house and the things you could confirm yourselves (the Zlatan interview shortly after the Moratti/Laporta dinner) point in one direction since it all adds up.

I can understand that it is not what you want to hear but in the end knowing is better than guessing, and since Zlatan himself has said that they know but aren't telling I decided to tell you what I have seen myself.


If you feel it is "untrustworthy" it is entirely up to you. Some might see it differently than you do. If you happen to live in close proximity to someone it isn't that strange that you will see and notice things outside their house.

If I told you I saw Zlatan in a Porsche Cayenne Turbo I suppose it would be untrustworthy, or is it only info that points to Barcelona that is untrustworthy?



By the way, Audi is the sponsor of Real Madrid too, so in theory it could be them, but it is less likely in light of the Moratti-Laporta dinner a week before I saw the man and the official Audi car.


A funny picture I took..yes that is really Messi outside Zlatan's house. He is that short. lol

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1277/059l.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/059l.jpg/)

Pulsar36
21 Jun 09, 23:26
Ehhhh- I don't think so

Adam
21 Jun 09, 23:38
Ehhhh- I don't think so

:howler::wallbang:

lonewolf19
21 Jun 09, 23:50
ummm, I cant wait for the summer to be over.

Tekeo
21 Jun 09, 23:56
ummm, I cant wait for the summer to be over.I couldn't agree more, I'm feeling depressed with the feeling of possibly losing both Ibra and Maicon. I mean Jesus, we aren't supposed to be a selling club right? :confused:

Nyall
22 Jun 09, 00:18
Last summer, Zlatan had approached Moratti with the desire to leave the club but Moratti who was not prepared to let his superstar go double his salary in order to keep his unhappy superstar and also promised Zlatan that the club would bring in some other players to help them do better in the UCL.

After the Manchester United game, Zlatan then again came the management with the desire to leave and Moratti again offered to increase his salary to 15 million euro per season but Zlatan refused and thenn came out to the media about how he wanted a new challenge.

From the club's exit in the UCL, Zlatan's attitude towards the players had changed on and off the pitch. Moratti, then approached Jose and told him of Zlatan's imminent departure and how he could possibly replace him and the recommendations were Milito for his goals and Arnautovic/Casano for his creativity. Jose also in formed Moratti of his plans to improve the midfield.

With the economic crisis ongoing, Moratti is currently running low on cash and is no longer willing to purchase a superstar especially if they were to flop and as a result is looking to bargain buys and player exchange deals.

Zlatan is leaving this summer, however the club is unknown. Expect the Zlatan to be like an NBA style trade with 2 or 3 players joining Inter with some cash in exchange for Ibra. Mourinho wants the deal and also the replacement for Zlatan by the 12th of July so that he can fully blend with the team and avoid another Quaresma incident.

Adam
22 Jun 09, 01:05
:lol: Where did you get that "information" from?

Nyall
22 Jun 09, 01:11
I can't remember. I was on a forum and it was on some Italian Football section between pages 200-250. I accidentally closed out the tab after copying and pasting this "information".

I don't know if it's true or not but I thought I should post it as it kinda makes sense.

Adam
22 Jun 09, 01:23
I understand, basicly you just pulled it out of your ass, and you're now trying to pwn it off as something you got from a different forum to give it some sort of credibility, as if it would.

The only part part of that post that makes sense is the last part. The rest sounds like complete and utter drivel.

Nyall
22 Jun 09, 01:27
I understand, basicly you just pulled it out of your ass, and you're now trying to pwn it off as something you got from a different forum to give it some sort of credibility, as if it would.

The only part part of that post that makes sense is the last part. The rest sounds like complete and utter drivel.

Whatever you say man. When it happens just know you read it first here.

Aline
22 Jun 09, 02:42
hey girls/guys

Let's post our favourites Zlatan pics

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9353/zlatanibrahimovic30.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/zlatanibrahimovic30.jpg/)


i find him so cute!

snake
22 Jun 09, 02:48
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Priceless. Hamed doesn't need any encouragement...

NimAraya
22 Jun 09, 04:57
hey girls/guys

Let's post our favourites Zlatan pics

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9353/zlatanibrahimovic30.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/zlatanibrahimovic30.jpg/)


i find him so cute!

Yeah except his nose!:rolleyes:

Nero Indigo
22 Jun 09, 05:20
hey girls/guys

Let's post our favourites Zlatan pics

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9353/zlatanibrahimovic30.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/zlatanibrahimovic30.jpg/)


i find him so cute!

If I post a Zlatan pic here: I'd Photoshop his witch-nosed mug to make him look like Lord Voldemort, so that we can all hate him a little bit more* :lol: Nyall will play Harry Potter :dielaugh:

Adam
22 Jun 09, 07:14
Whatever you say man. When it happens just know you read it first here.

That doesn't make sense either, because the last part is the only thing in that post that hasn't happened yet...you donkey. The rest, as I said, you just pulled out of your ass.

blackmore
22 Jun 09, 07:15
now his agent is sayin that hes definately off to chelsea...this shit goes round and round like a roll of fuckin toilet paper.....

CafeCordoba
22 Jun 09, 07:17
According to Spanish media (warning), Inter has valued Ibra 68m€, so it would be +1m€ to Kaká's sale value. IMO that sounds realistic figure, I don't really believe Inter can get 70m€ in cash for Ibra. Though it's funny to call such figure realistic. :D But I'd be content with that kind of sum, if Perez really can draw that from somewhere.

Still quite premature talk, that figure could have been drawn out of nowhere without any foundation of truth.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcinternews.it%2F%3Faction%3Dre ad%26idnotizia%3D5767&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=

edit. What I'm saying is that we should take this with a pinch of salt, unless there comes some more rumors regarding such figure. Personally I don't care where Ibra goes, but if he goes to Chelsea, Carv+Deco deal should be separate. I don't want them to screw us with the package deal. Unless they give us at least the same as Real minus ~10m€.

lonewolf19
22 Jun 09, 07:25
If we do ever sell him this summer, just take the cash. We are better off getting it and splash on new strikers instead of stupid discount package deal.

Forza ragazzi
22 Jun 09, 07:27
I haven't said I am wholly convinced and I'm not offended. People will believe what they want. I do believe that the things I have seen for myself outside his house and the things you could confirm yourselves (the Zlatan interview shortly after the Moratti/Laporta dinner) point in one direction since it all adds up.

I can understand that it is not what you want to hear but in the end knowing is better than guessing, and since Zlatan himself has said that they know but aren't telling I decided to tell you what I have seen myself.

If you feel it is "untrustworthy" it is entirely up to you. Some might see it differently than you do. If you happen to live in close proximity to someone it isn't that strange that you will see and notice things outside their house.

If I told you I saw Zlatan in a Porsche Cayenne Turbo I suppose it would be untrustworthy, or is it only info that points to Barcelona that is untrustworthy?

By the way, Audi is the sponsor of Real Madrid too, so in theory it could be them, but it is less likely in light of the Moratti-Laporta dinner a week before I saw the man and the official Audi car.

There are no necessary relations between what you've seen and Ibra transferring to Barcelona. That's the point.

I don't doubt and honestly don't care about whether you've seen men with suitcases and specific cars. The only dodgy thing here is that you make a man with a suitcase, an Audi and stuff moving to be Ibra transferring to Barcelona.

At the moment, everything points in the direction that Ibra isn't going to Barcelona.

I will recognize your argument if Ibra moves there, although the Audi and the man don't necessarily have anything to do with it.

CafeCordoba
22 Jun 09, 08:46
Now Raiola is telling that Inter haven't informed him at all regarding the possible sale of Ibra. I think he's just bullshitting, and being a hypocrite. I'm absolutely sure he has been in conversation with every big club in Europe who might be interested in getting Ibra (Real, Barca, Chelsea at least). Now he plays like a saint, that he said earlier Inter decides Ibra's future, and that now Inter haven't told him anything if they've gone trying to sell him. Fuck off Raiola, your client wants to leave so let Inter make the deal. Real Madrid or Chelsea is completely fine for Ibra.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcinternews.it%2F%3Faction%3Dre ad%26idnotizia%3D5772&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=

Adam
22 Jun 09, 08:52
He has a point though: Inter can't sell Ibra to whomever if Ibra doesn't want to go.

Ilkinio
22 Jun 09, 08:55
Selling Ibra to Man City would be epic :D

CafeCordoba
22 Jun 09, 09:04
He has a point though: Inter can't sell Ibra to whomever if Ibra doesn't want to go.

Sure. But it's not like Inter is trying to sell him to Man City. Real Madrid and Chelsea, for example, are pretty respectable clubs IMO. As Ibra wants to get out, he should accept a move to a big club (Man City ain't one).

Bes
22 Jun 09, 09:08
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/the-young-zlatan-zlatan-ibrahimovic-231126_486_363.jpg

The young Zlatan!

Adam
22 Jun 09, 09:17
Sure. But it's not like Inter is trying to sell him to Man City. Real Madrid and Chelsea, for example, are pretty respectable clubs IMO. As Ibra wants to get out, he should accept a move to a big club (Man City ain't one).

Well, yeah, but there's always the chance he doesn't want to live in England. If he doesn't want to go there's nothing Inter can do about it, as punishing him with the bench or some sort of collective freezing would only result in a loss for Inter.

He should accept Real though.

CafeCordoba
22 Jun 09, 09:49
Raiola had a hour-long meeting with Inter management this morning. He says now that chances of Ibra staying are 99,9%. I don't think that means anything really at this point.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.24oredisport.com%2F%3Faction%3D read%26idnotizia%3D12893&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=

Nero Indigo
22 Jun 09, 10:16
I'm impressed by your patience an perseverence in digging out info on this whole saga, CC. If it was me, i'd have gone crazy by now reading all this shit. I don't care what this fuckface Raiola has to say, as far as i'm concerned- He's still trying to get Ibra shipped* and I can't wait for this whole thing to be wrapped up.

Alessandro
22 Jun 09, 10:23
He's going, he's staying... fuck me.

A.l.i
22 Jun 09, 10:31
Both are going...

I just can't leave believe Maicon's attitude.

kova9
22 Jun 09, 10:33
This is getting so frustrating..

Forza ragazzi
22 Jun 09, 10:42
If anything, Raiola has never been this close to confirming Ibra is staying. Earlier he has always indicated that Ibra is looking to leave, now it's other words. I don't know if it's trustworthy or not, but it is something.

Also, hilarious that Mourinho has set these % comments on the map. Everyone are using them now.

Handoyo
22 Jun 09, 10:50
I just hope that Moratti learn from the mistake in selling Ronaldo at the very last minute in summer 2002. In the end, we ended up with Crespo; whom although very good, did not complement our main striker (Vieri) very well.

My gut feeling says he's staying though.

Forza ragazzi
22 Jun 09, 10:53
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Inter/22-06-2009/ibra-chi-ti-da-17-milioni-anno-50578688493.shtml

If I understand this article correctly, Ibra's getting a pay rise of €1m every season. The basic deal was €12m, like we all know, but according to the article, he will have €13m this season and by 2013 he will have €17m! I don't know if this is true, but this is crazy business if it indeed is true. The article also says this contract is making it difficult for Ibra to leave Inter.

Handoyo
22 Jun 09, 10:56
That's insane but considering that our whole offense hinges on him, it is perhaps deserved. I really cannot recall any team that has won 3 domestic title that relies so much offensively on one player. To me Ibra to Inter is like Maradona to Napoli.

CafeCordoba
22 Jun 09, 10:59
That is just insane. We should get rid of Ibra really. That contract is restricting Inter way too much to be able to operate on the market. We can't offer good contracts so we can't attract good players enough because Ibra takes so big slice from the salary budget.

edit. I'm basing this on the fact that Inter can't succeed in the real contest with just Ibra (Serie A ain't real contest anymore). If Inter sell Ibra, the Serie A will become more balanced also, so there's more excitement there. :) That we Inter can also build a more balanced team PERHAPS capable of competing in CL too.

Jonnie_Venom89
22 Jun 09, 11:17
If Ibra out....Cassano-Robben the only we can survive is by building a fast mobile team with players capable of changing their positions constantly .

Adam
22 Jun 09, 11:27
That's some contract if it's true. I agree with Han though. It's deserved because it's been proven so many times how Inter just fail miserably without him.

Don't get me wrong, player wages and transfer sums are way out of control. It's become pretty vulgar, but If you compare what Ibra does for Inter with what other top stars do for their clubs, Ibra's simply much more important.

Cafe, perhaps you're right. Maybe his wage hinders us on the market, but it's already difficult for Inter to attract big names, it's gonna be even more difficult if we sell the superstars we have.

Most players want to come to teams with great players, so that they'll have an easier time to win trophies, right? It takes a very special individual to join a team with the expectation he's gonna dominate in it, and it takes an even more special player to actually be able to do it.

Maybe we could attract someone like Cassano, but in the long run it's gonna be a lot harder attracting class players if we don't have some sporting incentive, because many clubs can offer much more money than us.

Adam
22 Jun 09, 12:04
I don't particularly like Raiola but this is fucking funny. :lol:

"I don’t believe it. Real should come here… If Branca went to Madrid to sell someone, he should just be fired because it means he is not cut out for this job. If Inter want to sell ‘Ibra’, I’ll take care of it. It’s up to Inter: they just need to make a phone call.”

szasza02
22 Jun 09, 12:21
he's scum, but this time he has a point....

Pulsar36
22 Jun 09, 12:23
I just hope that Moratti learn from the mistake in selling Ronaldo at the very last minute in summer 2002. In the end, we ended up with Crespo; whom although very good, did not complement our main striker (Vieri) very well.

My gut feeling says he's staying though.

Ahh, remember the great old "Can we play with 2 CF's debate" in 2002-2003? :D

Hussein
22 Jun 09, 12:39
It seems that Moratti is seriously considering selling Ibra.

Today he met Raiola (Ibra's agent) and after the meeting he refused to talk about it as he only replied to journalists outside his office by saying "there are no new developments"

The media is also curious about Raiola's "99.99%" confirmation of Ibra staying as they are not sure whether it came before or after the meeting.

More to come...

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/inter/?action=read&idnotizia=5783

blackmore
22 Jun 09, 12:39
I don't particularly like Raiola but this is fucking funny. :lol:

"I don’t believe it. Real should come here… If Branca went to Madrid to sell someone, he should just be fired because it means he is not cut out for this job. If Inter want to sell ‘Ibra’, I’ll take care of it. It’s up to Inter: they just need to make a phone call.”

its the way it should be...this aint no half-assed flea sale.....

CafeCordoba
22 Jun 09, 12:47
The media is also curious about Raiola's "99.99%" confirmation of Ibra staying as they are not sure whether it came before or after the meeting.

More to come...


Most probably it come after the meeting, since the meeting was in the morning. But Moratti's and Raiola's words can mean just anything. I think there are at least equal chance of the words meaning the opposite of what they actually stands for.

Universe
22 Jun 09, 16:38
Fucking seriously.

There comes a stage when you have so much money it doesn't make a fucking difference whether you earn another $20mil or lose half of your stockpile because what you have either way is still disgustingly massive.

Granted, Ibra obviously doesn't compare to some CEO's and Bill Gates etc, but unless Ibra plans to go on NASA's space travels as an observer (I heard some Pakistani oil magnate went to space with a NASA satellite repair crew as an observer for fucking $22million) he can do with what he's got.

blackmore
22 Jun 09, 16:46
Fucking seriously.

There comes a stage when you have so much money it doesn't make a fucking difference whether you earn another $20mil or lose half of your stockpile because what you have either way is still disgustingly massive.

Granted, Ibra obviously doesn't compare to some CEO's and Bill Gates etc, but unless Ibra plans to go on NASA's space travels as an observer (I heard some Pakistani oil magnate went to space with a NASA satellite repair crew as an observer for fucking $22million) he can do with what he's got.

its called greed and its a hell of a motherfucking thing..

shahz_nerazzurri
22 Jun 09, 17:23
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Inter/22-06-2009/ibra-chi-ti-da-17-milioni-anno-50578688493.shtml

If I understand this article correctly, Ibra's getting a pay rise of €1m every season. The basic deal was €12m, like we all know, but according to the article, he will have €13m this season and by 2013 he will have €17m! I don't know if this is true, but this is crazy business if it indeed is true. The article also says this contract is making it difficult for Ibra to leave Inter.

Like I said before, exactly the reason why we would always be a small club.

I would rather us finish 4th, than pay some overrated sissy crying choker this much money.

Hammoudi
22 Jun 09, 17:38
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9353/zlatanibrahimovic30.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/zlatanibrahimovic30.jpg/)

Zlatan: Okay, I am topless, showing my abs while delivering kebabs to your beach house. Can you two stop stalking me?

Hal: Oi, ok. I thought I said 'delivering kebabs and Fosters'.

Emily: No.

Ilkinio
22 Jun 09, 18:12
Kebabs? Now he is moving to Fenerbahce? :D

classexa
22 Jun 09, 20:47
Like I said before, exactly the reason why we would always be a small club.

I would rather us finish 4th, than pay some overrated sissy crying choker this much money.

Dumbass

minterke
22 Jun 09, 20:53
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Inter/22-06-2009/ibra-chi-ti-da-17-milioni-anno-50578688493.shtml

If I understand this article correctly, Ibra's getting a pay rise of €1m every season. The basic deal was €12m, like we all know, but according to the article, he will have €13m this season and by 2013 he will have €17m! I don't know if this is true, but this is crazy business if it indeed is true. The article also says this contract is making it difficult for Ibra to leave Inter.

Zlatan doesn't deserve a pay raise. When you make 12 million euros per year, scoring 25 goals should be mandatory. He only would be deserving of a pay raise if he actually scored in the CL like he does in Serie A.

He makes more money than Villa (scored 28 league goals this year) and Etoo (scored like 30, plus pwned the CL).

shahz_nerazzurri
22 Jun 09, 22:28
Dumbass

Wow, what a great insightful post, wouldn't expect any better from some dumb Swedish fanboy.

Adam
22 Jun 09, 23:30
Zlatan doesn't deserve a pay raise. When you make 12 million euros per year, scoring 25 goals should be mandatory. He only would be deserving of a pay raise if he actually scored in the CL like he does in Serie A.

He makes more money than Villa (scored 28 league goals this year) and Etoo (scored like 30, plus pwned the CL).

I agree he shouldn't have a payraise, but it's one thing to score goals for Valencia, and not even make it to the CL, another to score goals for Barca in a team that basicly made it to the semifinals of the Cl without Eto'o and Messi last season, and yet another completely different thing to score that many in the most defensive league, in the most defensive team with the most defensive players around him.

And besides, Ibra's contribution goes way beyond just goals, you can hardly say the same for Eto'o. If you're saying Eto'o and Villa are as good as Ibra then you wuoldn't mind a straight swap for either of them then?

minterke
22 Jun 09, 23:40
For Eto'o I agree, Ibra has 'magia' to score goals from nowhere, Etoo may be a better finisher but Ibra is better.

But I wouldn't mind a straight swap for Villa. I hope people don't see us as being ungrateful of what Ibra has done for Inter, but I see it as the opposite. Ibra is acting like the ungrateful one.

lonewolf19
23 Jun 09, 00:06
If we do ended up selling him, I think we will leave it on good terms. There is no one ungrateful in this mike, at least I hope there wont be. Ibra want the CL and need a new challenge other than Italia, Inter cashed in when the right offers comes in. It could potentially benefit both side.

Hammoudi
23 Jun 09, 01:38
Eto'o scored about 50 goals with Mallorca, so he isn't that far behind Zlatan. Also, I bet most of the people here would bet on Eto'o scoring on a big game (especially CL game) rather than Zlatan.

I still don't want Eto'o but he isn't that far behinds Zlatan. And I'd prefer Villa to Eto'o if we had to. But in all honesty, I'd be happy with Milito-Balotelli-Acqua trio (2 of 3 starting), our weakness is midfield and not scoring.

Nyall
23 Jun 09, 01:55
Dumbass

As much I hate to agree with Shahz he is right.

I can't wait for Ibra to leave especially if it meant that the IQ of this place goes up with fan boys like you departing.

Nero Indigo
23 Jun 09, 04:55
So some people actually join this forum because of Zlatan instead of Inter!? ...... wooooooow*

A.l.i
23 Jun 09, 11:00
If we do ended up selling him, I think we will leave it on good terms. There is no one ungrateful in this mike, at least I hope there wont be. Ibra want the CL and need a new challenge other than Italia, Inter cashed in when the right offers comes in. It could potentially benefit both side.

Plus he has never criticized us out.

CafeCordoba
23 Jun 09, 11:09
Zlatan has said to Swedish paper Expressen that he is an Inter player now but no one knows what will happen in the future.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcinternews.it%2F%3Faction%3Dre ad%26idnotizia%3D5813&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=

Quite typical talk, he wants out but there's been no offer yet. What I have to praise Zlatan & Raiola for, is that they haven't gone whoring to other clubs trying to lower the fee what Inter is asking for Zlatan. At least that's what I hope! :D

VLE
23 Jun 09, 11:13
Zlatan has said to Swedish paper Expressen that he is an Inter player now but no one knows what will happen in the future.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcinternews.it%2F%3Faction%3Dre ad%26idnotizia%3D5813&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=

Quite typical talk, he wants out but there's been no offer yet. What I have to praise Zlatan & Raiola for, is that they haven't gone whoring to other clubs trying to lower the fee what Inter is asking for Zlatan. At least that's what I hope! :D

He did the same when Moggi asked him to pull Cannavaro in Ajax. I think he is just too arrogant for that.

NimAraya
23 Jun 09, 13:05
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=656729&sec=transfers&campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=3888

Seems Branca was in Madrid for Maicon for real. and in this article it says Ibra's salary is 11 m!

Nyall
23 Jun 09, 13:18
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=656729&sec=transfers&campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=3888

Seems Branca was in Madrid for Maicon for real.

Moratti said that a few days ago.

classexa
23 Jun 09, 14:10
He's staying :boogy: :lol:

Besnik
23 Jun 09, 14:16
He's staying :boogy: :lol:

Please more informations about this post, where are you basing so he will stay? did he definitivly say so he will stay? please :(

classexa
23 Jun 09, 14:18
Please more informations about this post, where are you basing so he will stay? did he definitivly say so he will stay? please :(

Relax mate, it's just me hoping :D

Adam
23 Jun 09, 14:19
He said "Today Inter, that is the only answer to that question" but you never know what will happen in the future.

Forza ragazzi
23 Jun 09, 14:22
It seems he'll stay. Just a few weeks back he said he knew where he would play next season, and I don't think he was referring to Inter back then.

Fellow Swedes, he is talking about a "new villa", but from the circumstances it seems he is talking about a villa in Sweden. Can anyone say something about this? Because if that villa is new, no wonder things are being moved there. I'm thinking about emily's theory. If the villa is in Sweden, that is the explanation for the moving of stuff into the house, witnessed by emily.

Besnik
23 Jun 09, 14:28
Nice to hear that words guys, Zlatan was improver of those three scudetto's we winned, he was most important person, and seems he'll stay to be and for next season.

I'm proud to hear words so Zlatan will stay with us, it's impossible but best his way is to stay in Inter all his carrer :) he won't find any better place than Inter.

Handoyo
23 Jun 09, 15:04
Comparing Zlatan to Eto'o is like comparing oranges & carrots.

If you are not feeling well and you need vitamin C, you eat orange. If your eyesight is fucked and you need vitamin A, you eat carrot.

If you have freaking Xavi & Iniesta and you need someone to finish the gazillion of chances created, you need Eto'o. If you have an offensively-inept midfield and you hoof the long ball while crossing your finger, you need Ibra.

NimAraya
23 Jun 09, 15:18
Comparing Zlatan to Eto'o is like comparing oranges & carrots.

If you are not feeling well and you need vitamin C, you eat orange. If your eyesight is fucked and you need vitamin A, you eat carrot.

If you have freaking Xavi & Iniesta and you need someone to finish the gazillion of chances created, you need Eto'o. If you have an offensively-inept midfield and you hoof the long ball while crossing your finger, you need Ibra.

:dielaugh: Now that's what I call comparison!:D

vitomins
23 Jun 09, 16:18
Comparing Zlatan to Eto'o is like comparing oranges & carrots.

If you are not feeling well and you need vitamin C, you eat orange. If your eyesight is fucked and you need vitamin A, you eat carrot.

If you have freaking Xavi & Iniesta and you need someone to finish the gazillion of chances created, you need Eto'o. If you have an offensively-inept midfield and you hoof the long ball while crossing your finger, you need Ibra.

But they are both the same color...Eto'o and Ibra aren't even the same color :P

Hammoudi
23 Jun 09, 18:41
Comparing Zlatan to Eto'o is like comparing oranges & carrots.

If you are not feeling well and you need vitamin C, you eat orange. If your eyesight is fucked and you need vitamin A, you eat carrot.

If you have freaking Xavi & Iniesta and you need someone to finish the gazillion of chances created, you need Eto'o. If you have an offensively-inept midfield and you hoof the long ball while crossing your finger, you need Ibra.

Well, add to that if you need someone to score on a CL final, you'd take Eto'o. Two finals for him and two HUGE goals, I honestly doubt Zlatan can do the same if Xavi, Iniesta, Kaka and Zidane were supplying him.

Hasan
23 Jun 09, 18:54
Well, add to that if you need someone to score on a CL final, you'd take Eto'o. Two finals for him and two HUGE goals, I honestly doubt Zlatan can do the same if Xavi, Iniesta, Kaka and Zidane were supplying him.

Really disappointing post from you, Zlatan brought us so much in last couple of years that he should have some respect here. I really don't get it, player who is the best thing for Inter in last decade is so unrespected here that is not surprise that he wants out.

Our team is pretty average and without Zlatan we will be ridiculous. Without him we will need at least 5-6 new players in starting eleven to balance his lost.

This is his value:

Zlatan Ibrahimović > Milito, Motta, Carvalho, Deco, Arnautović, Ederson

CafeCordoba
23 Jun 09, 19:09
Really disappointing post from you, Zlatan brought us so much in last couple of years that he should have some respect here. I really don't get it, player who is the best thing for Inter in last decade is so unrespected here that is not surprise that he wants out.

Our team is pretty average and without Zlatan we will be ridiculous. Without him we will need at least 5-6 new players in starting eleven to balance his lost.

Yeah, Zlatan probably reads this forum. Without Zlatan we can start building a new team, which won't be around one player. But let's see first, will he stay or not. If he stays, he tries to get out next summer. Fine by me, but I just don't believe it's all settled if he leaves for America with Inter. I fear the rumors will come as long as the mercato is open.

Nyall
23 Jun 09, 19:17
Really disappointing post from you, Zlatan brought us so much in last couple of years that he should have some respect here. I really don't get it, player who is the best thing for Inter in last decade is so unrespected here that is not surprise that he wants out.
He was shown disrespect only after he betrayed the fans by refusing to commit.


Our team is pretty average and without Zlatan we will be ridiculous. Without him we will need at least 5-6 new players in starting eleven to balance his lost.
Disagree, Zlatan can easily be replaced if we were to acquire to decent midfielders who were good passers and were creative. And add to that a good striker with good finishing.


This is his value:


Zlatan Ibrahimović > Milito, Motta, Carvalho, Deco, Arnautović, Ederson
Of course Zlatan is valued more than those players in cash however, there's no guarantee that those players won't take us farther than Zlatan has in the UCL.

Adam
23 Jun 09, 20:22
Well, add to that if you need someone to score on a CL final, you'd take Eto'o. Two finals for him and two HUGE goals, I honestly doubt Zlatan can do the same if Xavi, Iniesta, Kaka and Zidane were supplying him.

Maybe not, but I think he would. Gotta give credit to Eto'o because both of those goals were basicly halfchances, and he scored them in a similar manner. Look in one direction, fake the keeper, and slot it low in the other.

On the other end of that argument though, Ibra can be expected to create a couple of good chances for his teammates in every match he plays, and the Cl isn't an exception, can you say the same for Eto'o?

Furthermore I doubt Eto'o can.. No not doubt, I know Eto'o could never in a million years carry a team in the manner Ibra has carried Inter, because he doesn't have those combined qualities.

Michael
24 Jun 09, 01:16
All of the sudden, Ibra says that his future is in Milan and he is not obsessed of winning the Champions League.

I used google translating feature so if there any mistakes then my apologies.

Alessandro
24 Jun 09, 02:09
All of the sudden, Ibra says that his future is in Milan and he is not obsessed of winning the Champions League.

I used google translating feature so if there any mistakes then my apologies.

Link?

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 02:11
Maybe not, but I think he would. Gotta give credit to Eto'o because both of those goals were basicly halfchances, and he scored them in a similar manner. Look in one direction, fake the keeper, and slot it low in the other.

On the other end of that argument though, Ibra can be expected to create a couple of good chances for his teammates in every match he plays, and the Cl isn't an exception, can you say the same for Eto'o?

Furthermore I doubt Eto'o can.. No not doubt, I know Eto'o could never in a million years carry a team in the manner Ibra has carried Inter, because he doesn't have those combined qualities.

You should have stopped at I doubt. As many times this season our team has created simple chances for Zlatan which he missed only to score a great goal to make up for.

lonewolf19
24 Jun 09, 02:22
I think the situation is quite clear now and I think there is a 70% chance for Zlatan to stay due to his price. Barca was his favored destination but we could not agree a deal with them. The only other possibility being Chelsea now since Ancelotti is in charge and he KNOWS how good Zlatan is.

Regarding RM, I do not think they will table an offer more than Kaka to us and there is no way we are selling Zlatan to them less than that amount.

Michael
24 Jun 09, 02:25
Link?

I have the digital version of Gazzetta newspapaer so I don't have any links but expect to see more news later in the day.

Hammoudi
24 Jun 09, 02:43
Hasan, XL got my post, it was no disrespect to Zlatan. You are a betting man, would you bet on Eto'o or Zlatan to score on a crunch CL game?

And I agree with Nyall, I think Zlatan seems to miss when he is clearly set up but excels when he creates. But if I didn't have a good midfield, I would surely go with Zlatan since Eto'o (like 90% of forwards) isn't great at creating something from nothing.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 03:15
Hasan, XL got my post, it was no disrespect to Zlatan. You are a betting man, would you bet on Eto'o or Zlatan to score on a crunch CL game?

And I agree with Nyall, I think Zlatan seems to miss when he is clearly set up but excels when he creates. But if I didn't have a good midfield, I would surely go with Zlatan since Eto'o (like 90% of forwards) isn't great at creating something from nothing.

Hamed I donno on what base you say these assumptions!! Is it just base on stats thing? Don't you know that Eto'o sometimes become more than horrible at being a finisher?!


I honestly doubt Zlatan can do the same if Xavi, Iniesta, Kaka and Zidane were supplying him.

It's absolute odd what you say! He scored 24 goals by Stankovic, Muntari, Cambiasso, Zanetti and Balotelli beside him. How come he can't do more than what Eto'o does at Barca when he has Henry, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi and Yaya Toure beside him?!

Remember, when there are some great players beside and behind you, they will take some parts of the pressure on their shoulders and you don't need to carry all the weights by yourself. This will help you have more concentration and save much more energy for yourself, and that helps you have more impact than the time that you have to do everything by yourself. Zlatan will be a monster at Barca. I assure you that!

Our current team even if Deco, Carvalho and Arnauvic join us is far away from the level of a UCL champion. Even if we can beat every team on Europe with sucha squad we can't handle a team like Barca. Can you compare Xavi and Iniesta to Stankovic and Muntari?!

VLE
24 Jun 09, 05:56
Hasan, XL got my post, it was no disrespect to Zlatan. You are a betting man, would you bet on Eto'o or Zlatan to score on a crunch CL game?

And I agree with Nyall, I think Zlatan seems to miss when he is clearly set up but excels when he creates. But if I didn't have a good midfield, I would surely go with Zlatan since Eto'o (like 90% of forwards) isn't great at creating something from nothing.

The problem is not Ibra missing chances, but coach relying on SS to score goals without proper striker.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 06:54
All of the sudden, Ibra says that his future is in Milan and he is not obsessed of winning the Champions League.

I used google translating feature so if there any mistakes then my apologies.

In the Swedish interview he said nothing about future in Milan, but he did talk about CL. He said it's something you just can't decide you have to/want to win. You just have to work hard and then if you win, you win, and if you don't, you don't.

Alessandro
24 Jun 09, 08:22
Finally he speaks out...



Zlatan Ibrahimovic: I See My Future At Inter, But Anything Can Happen

http://i.media.goal.com/g/50404_news.jpg

‘Ibra’ admits the speculation about his future is entertaining but he is staying at San Siro…


Inter striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic is currently on holiday in Malmo and does not seem to worry too much about the upcoming season, amid constant rumours that Spanish giants Real Madrid and Barcelona are ready to prise him away from San Siro.

“I am relaxing, it’s nice to be home,” Ibrahimovic confessed to Swedish newspaper Expressen.

“I am seeing my friends, we are organising a trip abroad
. I read the papers and I am resting. From time to time, I call my agent [Mino] Raiola and I ask him: is this or that true?

“He laughs and says, ‘No.’ I see and hear many things. It’s fun reading that one day I am in Madrid, the next in Barcelona or London. The thing is that today my future is Inter.

“But anything can happen. No one can guarantee you the future. But for now there is just Inter.”

The former Ajax man then reiterated his desire to win the Champions League and praised team-mate Mario Balotelli, who helped Italy Under-21 bring down Sweden in the European Championships last week before being sent-off.

“The Champions League cannot become an obsession, otherwise you end up losing it for sure,” admitted ‘Ibra’.

“The important thing is to prepare well and then we’ll see whether or not we win.

“I watched Sweden-Italy and there is a big gap between us and the Azzurrini. Balotelli is a nice lad - he’s only 18 but is an extraordinary talent. Had he not been sent off, he would have netted two more goals.”

Vince Masiello, Goal.com

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 08:27
Hmmm.. so looks that interview is a good punch to the teeth of the ones that were keep saying he want out!

Anne Marie
24 Jun 09, 08:42
it has been long time since I last heard such nice words from Ibra. He even praised Mario as well.

Let see us next year when Mou has enough time and an somewhat a squad fitting his idea. If Ibra and Inter make it to the semi final in UCL next year I would be really happy..

Besnik
24 Jun 09, 08:45
it has been long time since I last heard such nice words from Ibra. He even praised Mario as well.

Let see us next year when Mou has enough time and an somewhat a squad fitting his idea. If Ibra and Inter make it to the semi final in UCL next year I would be really happy..

Winning will be awesome :P I hope, and we cave chances if will come Carvalho, Deco, there are and Milito, Arnautovic... and we will have a strange team, our coach is better in Europe, and this is great :star:

CafeCordoba
24 Jun 09, 08:47
Hmmm.. so looks that interview is a good punch to the teeth of the ones that were keep saying he want out!

I remain in that position still. Zlatan just isn't saying it out loud because there ain't clubs willing to spend that much what Inter asks to get him.

Though at this point, I have to give credit to Zlatan & Raiola, because they haven't started play dirty and handed a transfer request. At least not on public which would lower the price for sure. So yes, it seems at this point (based on information we have now) Zlatan doesn't want out so badly that he would go and play dirty.

There is still mercato open though and like I've stressed with at least Handoyo, rumors of him wanting out on public and may come out later and the dirty play may start later. But for the present I withdraw my accusations of Zlatan being a coward, if his level of wanting out isn't that big after all. I'm still skeptic though.

kova9
24 Jun 09, 08:49
Very honest from Ibra.. I appreciate it.

I'm glad he isn't that mad person all the media present him to be..

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 09:02
I remain in that position still. Zlatan just isn't saying it out loud because there ain't clubs willing to spend that much what Inter asks to get him.

Though at this point, I have to give credit to Zlatan & Raiola, because they haven't started play dirty and handed a transfer request. At least not on public which would lower the price for sure. So yes, it seems at this point (based on information we have now) Zlatan doesn't want out so badly that he would go and play dirty.

There is still mercato open though and like I've stressed with at least Handoyo, rumors of him wanting out on public and may come out later and the dirty play may start later. But for the present I withdraw my accusations of Zlatan being a coward, if his level of wanting out isn't that big after all. I'm still skeptic though.

U never change CafCaf! Anyway I still stand on that punch to the teeth of the people that spread some shit from someone's else half when that just born from their own minds. That is what is called Dirty Play!

CafeCordoba
24 Jun 09, 09:04
I continue a little more about my thoughts. I'm basing my fear on the possibility that Ibra can hand a transfer request, go on public with it and so on, in August. When there's just few weeks left of the mercato. What can Moratti do? Can he just tell Zlatan to stay in the club? Is it wise for Inter to keep Zlatan against his will? No. Inter must sell, and at that point, the price will be considerably lower. Teams interested in Zlatan knows this, Raiola knows this. That's why I'm still skeptic about the whole case, because this all can happen no matter if Inter's pre-season has started and the season is going to start soon etc etc. And at that point, Inter is in deep shit, because all the preparations of Mourinho is destroyed because the most important block of the building is taken away.

I'm reminding, it's not even July yet. Mercato keeps going over 2 months still. We can't be sure of anything.

edit. What would ease my mind a bit is that if Real Madrid, Barcelona and Chelsea get their striker acquisitions quite early.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 09:19
I continue a little more about my thoughts. I'm basing my fear on the possibility that Ibra can hand a transfer request, go on public with it and so on, in August. When there's just few weeks left of the mercato. What can Moratti do? Can he just tell Zlatan to stay in the club? Is it wise for Inter to keep Zlatan against his will? No. Inter must sell, and at that point, the price will be considerably lower. Teams interested in Zlatan knows this, Raiola knows this. That's why I'm still skeptic about the whole case, because this all can happen no matter if Inter's pre-season has started and the season is going to start soon etc etc. And at that point, Inter is in deep shit, because all the preparations of Mourinho is destroyed because the most important block of the building is taken away.

I'm reminding, it's not even July yet. Mercato keeps going over 2 months still. We can't be sure of anything.

edit. What would ease my mind a bit is that if Real Madrid, Barcelona and Chelsea get their striker acquisitions quite early.

I know all of these too and you wil see I will critize him harshly if that happens, but I'm not gonna start a war against Ibra from the assumptions that just come from my mind and gossips that fucking media spread even before the mercato officially starts! It's been for weeks that people here are insulting Ibra for absolute no logical reason. And Ibra is no Adriano that fucked up our club over and over. He's our superstar and the main reason we are called Serie A champions for 4 successive years.

People try to justify these actions as Their Own Ideas, when they actually spread fairly tales stories day after day and stressting on them! That's fucking sick! and That's the true Dirty Play!! When I really think about the way he use these words to explain his future I really see no wrong in them, when he can't be sure about his future. What can he say?! If Inter get a good offer from a good club and suggest it to Ibra and everything goes right he may accept it and the opposite can happen too. So I don't see why some people attack him like he has sold us out or is a traitor. That's more than big labels to him and that's just fucking sick and unfair!

lonewolf19
24 Jun 09, 09:25
Edit. Sorry didnt see link already posted

Bes
24 Jun 09, 09:38
Finally he speaked out http://www.interfans.org/forum/images/smilies/35.gif

Grazie Ibra!

Besnik
24 Jun 09, 09:43
Grande Ibra, thanks for your comments Zlatan, you are simply the best :proud:

Stefan
24 Jun 09, 09:54
Raiola is pissed at mou. Apparently mou contacted zlatan to convince him to stay and to convince raiola is bad for him and that he should dump him and get mendes instead.:D

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/inter/%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D5826

Rimpel
24 Jun 09, 10:03
nyal, I want to hear your opinion on these statements from ibra, what excuse do you have now? :D Unlike Maicon Ibra has never said he wants to go to barca/madrid. Only rumors so far, hopefully people will now learn to not panic based on rumors alone.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 10:29
If Ibra is there in LA 13 July, he will stay at Inter. I've always said this and stand by it. He will be gone by the LA convention if he leaves Inter this summer.

CafeCordoba
24 Jun 09, 10:44
If Ibra is there in LA 13 July, he will stay at Inter. I've always said this and stand by it. He will be gone by the LA convention if he leaves Inter this summer.

Well you can't know that for sure. You can say you are sure of it (and perhaps that's the most probable scenario?), but I presented an option which is also possible. Because of what I've seen happening in the football world all these years, I can never be sure of anything in the mercato. Ronaldo, Cannavaro (when we speak Inter only, let alone all the other dark manouvers in the mercato).

But hopefully it goes like you said.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 10:49
Well you can't know that for sure. You can say you are sure of it (and perhaps that's the most probable scenario?), but I presented an option which is also possible. Because of what I've seen happening in the football world all these years, I can never be sure of anything in the mercato. Ronaldo, Cannavaro (when we speak Inter only, let alone all the other dark manouvers in the mercato).

But hopefully it goes like you said.

Of course I can't know for sure, but this is what I believe considering everything. Nothing can be excluded, but I believe he will stay with us if he is there in LA. Which I believe he will be.

Hammoudi
24 Jun 09, 11:12
Hamed I donno on what base you say these assumptions!! Is it just base on stats thing? Don't you know that Eto'o sometimes become more than horrible at being a finisher?!



It's absolute odd what you say! He scored 24 goals by Stankovic, Muntari, Cambiasso, Zanetti and Balotelli beside him. How come he can't do more than what Eto'o does at Barca when he has Henry, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi and Yaya Toure beside him?!

Remember, when there are some great players beside and behind you, they will take some parts of the pressure on their shoulders and you don't need to carry all the weights by yourself. This will help you have more concentration and save much more energy for yourself, and that helps you have more impact than the time that you have to do everything by yourself. Zlatan will be a monster at Barca. I assure you that!

Our current team even if Deco, Carvalho and Arnauvic join us is far away from the level of a UCL champion. Even if we can beat every team on Europe with sucha squad we can't handle a team like Barca. Can you compare Xavi and Iniesta to Stankovic and Muntari?!

Nima, you are mixing stuff. Yes, Eto'o has horrible misses and Zlatan operates with a mid-level midfield. However, I think that Zlatan is a 'hard play' type. What I mean by that is that he is better and more efficient with tough chances. When he is set up for an easy chance, he misses.

The other thing is clutch games in CL. Those two CL winning and CL final tying goals by Eto'o were tough plays that he somehow made possible. Strikers are defined by these goals. Say if they both retire today, Eto'o will be the better player due to such plays (although he is the least 'talented'). It's one thing to have Dinho, Messi etc. as playmakers but another to score such goals on such stage.

szasza02
24 Jun 09, 11:32
Raiola is pissed at mou. Apparently mou contacted zlatan to convince him to stay and to convince raiola is bad for him and that he should dump him and get mendes instead.:D

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/inter/%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D5826
it's all good. Mendes shall be Zlatan's agent, while raiola shall be Inter's transfer guru in the future. he has some skills, you must admit :P

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 11:34
Nima, you are mixing stuff. Yes, Eto'o has horrible misses and Zlatan operates with a mid-level midfield. However, I think that Zlatan is a 'hard play' type. What I mean by that is that he is better and more efficient with tough chances. When he is set up for an easy chance, he misses.

The other thing is clutch games in CL. Those two CL winning and CL final tying goals by Eto'o were tough plays that he somehow made possible. Strikers are defined by these goals. Say if they both retire today, Eto'o will be the better player due to such plays (although he is the least 'talented'). It's one thing to have Dinho, Messi etc. as playmakers but another to score such goals on such stage.

I think we are exaggratting about Ibra miss easy chances. It's not really as worse as you say. Yes he is not Inzaghi, Toni, Crespo (finishers) but that doesn't mean a player that can score big goals can't score easy chances! That's exaggrated. I'm not lowering Eto'o class. Unlike many people here I will welcome him to Inter if he comes. He's a great striker. But putting Ibra and Eto'o in comparison like the way you say is not right IMO.

Maldini never could win any cup with the National team in his career. That doesn't makes Andrea Barzagli a better player than him just because he has won WC and Maldini didn't.

Adam
24 Jun 09, 12:07
You should have stopped at I doubt. As many times this season our team has created simple chances for Zlatan which he missed only to score a great goal to make up for.

What has that got to do with what I wrote? Since you mention it though, I can tell you that Barca has created even easier chances for Eto'o and he's missed many of them, probably more than Ibra.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 12:08
What has that got to do with what I wrote? Since you mention it though, I can tell you that Barca has created even easier chances for Eto'o and he's missed many of them, probably more than Ibra.

XL, what do you think of my thoughts in post 6383 of this thread? About Ibra and villas.

Adam
24 Jun 09, 12:15
Fishing for compliments? It was very well written Kristian. It was easy to read and I could not find one gramatical error. Bravo! :D

No but seriously, he's talking about the house he bought in Malmö a few years back that he had renovated, and now is finally done, hence "new". ;) It's the same one Emily is talking about having stuff moved to FR.

lonewolf19
24 Jun 09, 13:28
More stuff about Ibra agents


Diego & Ibrahimovic Agents Slam Each Other In Heated Slanging Match

The fierce rivalry between Inter and Juventus has reached out to player agents as transfer market temperatures reach boiling point, with Diego's representative Giacomo Petralito heckling Mino Raiola - Zlatan Ibrahimovic's agent.

Raiola has been wheeling and dealing regarding the Sweden star's future, but Petralito feels he has not been doing things by the agent's book.

"It would be impossible for me to go to Alessio Secco or Jean-Claude Blanc to tell them that I have offered Diego to Real Madrid. This is not the way of doing things, but it's what's happening with Ibrahimovic and Inter," Petralito told Tuttosport.

"This damages things and I am ashamed of being Raiola's colleague. The way I see it is that you are biting the hand of the one who gives you food.

"I heard what Raiola has been saying recently regarding certain colleagues in Germany. Someone like him would not be able to work in Germany. The clubs there would boycott him. From what he says, he shows that he doesn't even know FIFA rules."

Strong words from Diego's agent, but Raiola wasted no time in replying to the remarks with his Mourinho-esque response.

"I said there was no point Marco Branca going to Madrid for Zlatan. If anything it was the contrary to what has been said. It was Real Madrid who came to me.

"I don't know why Petralito is finding publicity by using my name. I am the one who doesn't consider him a colleague. He lets himself become stressed with envy and he has never managed the talents I have."

Hasan
24 Jun 09, 13:50
Yeah, Zlatan probably reads this forum.


Yeah sure, I was talking in general, people on stands think the same. They whistled to him after couple bad moves and he brought us three scudettos. There is a reason why almost every world-class player want to leave Inter. Only Zanetti stayed and never wanted out. Ronaldo, Maicon, Ibrahimović ...


He was shown disrespect only after he betrayed the fans by refusing to commit.

Balotelli refused to commit too but who said something about that? Ronaldo refused to commit in Man Utd every year and they gave him everything just to stay and won CL for them, never jeered to him. Fabregas always saying that he will go back to Spain one day, that he adores Barca and he got captain ambrand etc. They are ambitious sportsmans with short careers and it's natural that they want to change things.


Disagree, Zlatan can easily be replaced if we were to acquire to decent midfielders who were good passers and were creative. And add to that a good striker with good finishing.


Like I said, he can be replaced with five quality players: couple of midellfieles, support striker and a finisher. You agree with me man, why you wrote disagree?


Hasan, XL got my post, it was no disrespect to Zlatan. You are a betting man, would you bet on Eto'o or Zlatan to score on a crunch CL game?

It's not betting but if you insist: would you bet on Zlatan or Eto'o for carying Inter team in next season with exactly same players?

I know what you want to say, Eto'o is better in crucial games for you but put him in team where most creative player is Dejan Stanković (no disrespect for Dejan benny :D) and you will see that he's not that crucial at all.

I say: give Zlatan Ibrahimović proper midelfieler with pace and creation "ala Kaka" or "ala Ribery", put Dejan on CM, Cambiasso on DM and some other CM "ala Modrić, Fabregas or Essien", Balotelli or Milito to partner him and you will see how crucial Zlatan Ibrahimović can be.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 13:52
Fishing for compliments? It was very well written Kristian. It was easy to read and I could not find one gramatical error. Bravo! :D

No but seriously, he's talking about the house he bought in Malmö a few years back that he had renovated, and now is finally done, hence "new". ;) It's the same one Emily is talking about having stuff moved to FR.

Haha, thanks!

Yes, I thought so. Then, to me, emily's argument makes even less sense. She/he (sorry, emily, I really don't know, but it doesn't matter though) said that it was all a part of moving to Barcelona, but it can also be stuff that is moved into the "new" villa in Malmö.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:05
Balotelli refused to commit too but who said something about that? Ronaldo refused to commit in Man Utd every year and they gave him everything just to stay and won CL for them, never jeered to him. Fabregas always saying that he will go back to Spain one day, that he adores Barca and he got captain ambrand etc. They are ambitious sportsmans with short careers and it's natural that they want to change things.
How has Balotelli refused to commit he has signed a long term contract and has shown any signs of leaving it in the near future.
Please don't tell me you want to compare Ibra to Ronaldo.... Had Ibra done half the stuff Ronaldo did on the big stage him leaving may have been forgiven. Ronaldo has put Man Utd. in a good position to continue our success. Ibra's couldn't care what we turn into when he leaves.
You don't see Cesc signing a new contract and then saying he wants top leave the next summer... All these situation are totally different.




Like I said, he can be replaced with five quality players: couple of midellfieles, support striker and a finisher. You agree with me man, why you wrote disagree?
I disagree they don't have to be quality but simply be good at the characteristics that the midfield at our team lacks.



It's not betting but if you insist: would you bet on Zlatan or Eto'o for carying Inter team in next season with exactly same players?
If I wanted solely Serie A success and another fruitless UCL campaign followed by another round of "I Want a New Challenge" Press releases then I would definitely choose Zlatan as he is a choker who will never change.


I know what you want to say, Eto'o is better in crucial games for you but put him in team where most creative player is Dejan Stanković (no disrespect for Dejan benny :D) and you will see that he's not that crucial at all.
Seriously, Deki could be the last person I could blame for Ibra missing for point blank attempts on goal in the last two seasons in Europe. You guys are acting as if our team created 0 chances for Zlatan and he had 0 chances to squander.


I say: give Zlatan Ibrahimović proper midelfieler with pace and creation "ala Kaka" or "ala Ribery", put Dejan on CM, Cambiasso on DM and some other CM "ala Modrić, Fabregas or Essien", Balotelli or Milito to partner him and you will see how crucial Zlatan Ibrahimović can be.
This is exactly why Zlatan needs to leave. Inter cannot afford any of the players who mentioned and definitely not their wages. There's a reason we've all but sealed up deals for Deco, Arnautovic, Motta, Milito, Carvalho instead of Ronaldo, Kaka...... And it's not because they like white.

The sales made from the proceeds of Zlatan's sale will obviously spend on replacing Zlatan with 2 or 3 quality players.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:07
What has that got to do with what I wrote? Since you mention it though, I can tell you that Barca has created even easier chances for Eto'o and he's missed many of them, probably more than Ibra.

Yeah but he has still scored in the UCL Knock Out round which is all that matters.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 17:08
I doubt we will able to replace Ibra with €80m or whatever we are looking to get for him.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:12
I doubt we will able to replace Ibra with €80m or whatever we are looking to get for him.

Were we to even get 50 million for him it would be fantastic, IMO as it would also reduce our wage budget by 24 million euros.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 17:17
Were we top even get 50 million for him it would be fantastic, IMO as it owuld also reduce our wage budget by 24 million euros.

Then who would you buy by that 50 million?!

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:24
Then who would you buy by that 50 million?!
Hernanes, Melo and Cassano.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 17:27
Hernanes, Melo and Cassano.

lol

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:28
lol

Lol at what? We've already replaced his goal scoring with an even better goal scorer and these three players would double Zlatan's creativity as they would be creating goals for themselves but for the team.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 17:32
Lol at what? We've already replaced his goal scoring with an even better goal scorer and these three players would double Zlatan's creativity as they would be creating goals for themselves but for the team.

Yeah you will see what really Milito is by start of the season!;) And who's gonna double that creativity? Hernanes, Melo and Cassano?!!!!!!

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:33
Yeah you will see what really Milito is by start of the season!;) And who's gonna double that creativity? Hernanes, Melo and Cassano?!!!!!!

A player who scored 24 goals in Serie A.

Yes and with ease too.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 17:36
A player who scored 24 goals in Serie A.

Yes and with ease too.

Di Vaio scored 24 goals too!

Ur problem is that you think things go as easy as you write them in a forum, but unfortunately macthes won't be played at forums but on the field.

Gasparroni
24 Jun 09, 17:38
Hernanes, Melo and Cassano.Lol. When you buy Hernanes, you already almost wasted the most of your 50 million. He is very expensive. That is why Milan couldn't afford him. Also Cassano would be an expensive buy.

But anyway. I am glad to hear from Ibra himself that Inter is his future and that the CL is not a obsession for him. I am just curious for how long he will stay after next season. It could just be his last one....

And who should replace Ibra in the future? We have Balotelli :D The Serie A has many problems with money, so it will not be possible to just buy a player of 60 million or whatever. We already have the keys in our own hands. Put trust in Destro, I see him becoming a good player too. At least, I hope it...

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:40
Di Vaio scored 24 goals too!

Ur problem is that you think things go as easy as you write them in a forum, but unfortunately macthes won't be played at forums but on the field.

Exactly. There are no guarantees in football or life for that matter but does that mean you play it safe and hope even though you know it's not going to work.
OR
Take the risk of changing in order to go for a system than that will make the team's tactics more team oriented.


It's a lot harder to stop a team that plays as a team than plays for a players.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:45
Lol. When you buy Hernanes, you already almost wasted the most of your 50 million. He is very expensive. That is why Milan couldn't afford him. Also Cassano would be an expensive buy.
I'm going by rumored trasnfer prices and these could equate to about 60 million.


But anyway. I am glad to hear from Ibra himself that Inter is his future and that the CL is not a obsession for him. I am just curious for how long he will stay after next season. It could just be his last one....
He's probably been given a further 3 million a year by Moratti. Next season when we go out again after he squanders 3 simple chances, expect another summer of this shit again only we won't be getting half the money we could have gotten this summer.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 17:46
It's a lot harder to stop a team that plays as a team than plays for a players.
Ibra is not the problem of that. That comes back to our decent midfielders and his partner upfront. The problem is that inter desperately needs one or two great midfielders to replace Stankovic and Muntari with them but we go and sign Motta! Anyway I hope Inter managemnet wake up soon before it gets late.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 17:49
Bronzetti believes both Ibra and Maicon will stay put.


"The chances of Ibrahimovic going from Inter to Real is 0.001 percent," he told Sky Sport 24 on Wednesday.

Allegedly, another person on Florentino Perez's radar is right-back Maicon, but Bronzetti is skeptical of that proposed deal as well.

"Maicon? 0.1 percent for him, just to leave a little doubt," he concluded.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/06/24/1344814/miniscule-chance-of-ibrahimovic-or-maicon-moving-to-real

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:50
Bronzetti believes both Ibra and Maicon will stay put.



http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/06/24/1344814/miniscule-chance-of-ibrahimovic-or-maicon-moving-to-real

Does this guy's opinion even matter? Didn't he guarantee Kaka was staying put?

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 17:54
Does this guy's opinion even matter? Didn't he guarantee Kaka was staying put?

I haven't heard what he said about Kaka but most of the time his words went right.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 17:55
Ibra is not the problem of that. That comes back to our decent midfielders and his partner upfront. The problem is that inter desperately needs one or two great midfielders to replace Stankovic and Muntari with them but we go and sign Motta! Anyway I hope Inter managemnet wake up soon before it gets late.

If we had the money to sign Fabgreas, Essien, Ribery, etc. trust me we would have done it. But paying one player who adds little revenue to the club on and off the field is certainly not helping the cause.

If anything our management should realize that putting all our hopes on Zlatan will be our downfall. Juve had a great midfield yet he still didn't perform with them.

Weren't we actually doing better in Europe before him?

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 18:03
If we had the money to sign Fabgreas, Essien, Ribery, etc. trust me we would have done it. But paying one player who adds little revenue to the club on and off the field is certainly not helping the cause.

I think I haven't understood this part of ur post: "But paying one player who adds little revenue to the club on and off the field". Care to explain it more?!


If anything our management should realize that putting all our hopes on Zlatan will be our downfall. Juve had a great midfield yet he still didn't perform with them.

Yeah everyone know that. But what it has to do with Zlatan?! Did he ask them to put all their hopes on him?! Isn't it exactly the reason that put doubt to his mind about goign to a better team so he can have much better players around him?!


Weren't we actually doing better in Europe before him?

EXACTLY! We were one half of Semi-Finals and finals before him!

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 18:03
Lol at what? We've already replaced his goal scoring with an even better goal scorer and these three players would double Zlatan's creativity as they would be creating goals for themselves but for the team.

Ibra made the most assists for Inter this season. Had he had a decent striking partner he probably would have made even more. He was also our top assist-maker in 07/08.

I do not believe those you mention would be available for €50m plus the fundamental thing is that our managers would not go for them. The alternatives seem to be Benzema and Drogba, who will probably not create as much as Ibra, but the problem remains.

I think you are naive, no offence, to believe that Inter will be "more of a team" if we sell Ibra. We will not go for the correct players.

vitomins
24 Jun 09, 18:05
If we had the money to sign Fabgreas, Essien, Ribery, etc. trust me we would have done it. But paying one player who adds little revenue to the club on and off the field is certainly not helping the cause.

If anything our management should realize that putting all our hopes on Zlatan will be our downfall. Juve had a great midfield yet he still didn't perform with them.

Weren't we actually doing better in Europe before him?


Big fuckin deal, we were doin better by maybe a round or two further...its not like we were winning the fuckin CL without Ibra. Without Ibra we are second rate in Italy and in Europe...at least with him we are first in Italy.

I really could careless if he stays or goes, but to hear all this bullshit come out of Nyall is ridiculous...we should kiss his feet because before he got here we won NOTHING!

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 18:14
I think I haven't understood this part of ur post: "But paying one player who adds little revenue to the club on and off the field". Care to explain it more?!
Zlatan doesn't move the world through shirt sales, like Kaka or Ronaldo does neither does he help rake in any significant cash for the club through his performances on the pitch in Europe (where the real money is at).




Yeah everyone know that. But what it has to do with Zlatan?! Did he ask them to put all their hopes on him?! Isn't it exactly the reason that put doubt to his mind about goign to a better team so he can have much better players around him?!
He is our superstar and should expect nothing less.



EXACTLY! We were one half of Semi-Finals and finals before him!
And we were a lot worse then than now. The difference was the fact that our superstar of that time, Adriano, wasn't a choker and scored.

vitomins
24 Jun 09, 18:21
And we were a lot worse then than now. The difference was the fact that our superstar of that time, Adriano, wasn't a choker and scored.


Ya, Adriano also only scored 16 goals in the Serie A during his best season, Zlatan has scored more than that in 2/3 seasons with us...

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 18:23
U have an absolute unique way to justify ur words Nyall. I really donno what to say to you. Just because Adriano was on fire at one year and Inter eliminated at quarter final you say Inter had better record at CL before Ibra and Adriano is great and Ibra is CHocker! No super star in the world is as alone as Ibra is at Inter and no superstar has ever had that much individual impact as Ibra had for us. Kaka, Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta...they all have great players all around them. Ibra has Balotelli, Stankovic and Muntari beside himself. Funny isn't it?!

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 18:25
Ibra made the most assists for Inter this season. Had he had a decent striking partner he probably would have made even more. He was also our top assist-maker in 07/08.
He was also our top scorer. Everything we do attacking wise is for Ibra. Every ball our midfield touches is for Ibra. Every free kick we win Ibra takes it.
Once Ibra gets the ball he either passes it or shoots. This is why he is our top scorer and assiter. He takes more shots, gets more touches in attack and has the longest time on possession than any of our players. In the start of the season when Ibra was made to wait for the ball and simply score chances people here complained about how Ibra was being under-utilized even though he would miss sitters.
Were we to get a proper midfield wouldn't Zlatan have to stay in the box and wait for chances?


I do not believe those you mention would be available for €50m plus the fundamental thing is that our managers would not go for them. The alternatives seem to be Benzema and Drogba, who will probably not create as much as Ibra, but the problem remains.
Obviously cash could be added to it. Plus I was asked who would I buy not who I think the management wants.


I think you are naive, no offence, to believe that Inter will be "more of a team" if we sell Ibra. We will not go for the correct players.
We don't know that since it has not happened yet.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 18:38
U have an absolute unique way to justify ur words Nyall. I really donno what to say to you. Just because Adriano was on fire at one year and Inter eliminated at quarter final you say Inter had better record at CL before Ibra and Adriano is great and Ibra is CHocker! No super star in the world is as alone as Ibra is at Inter and no superstar has ever had that much individual impact as Ibra had for us. Kaka, Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta...they all have great players all around them. Ibra has Balotelli, Stankovic and Muntari beside himself. Funny isn't it?!
Before Ibra came:
2002/03 - Semis - Lost to Milan on Away goals rule
2003/04 - 3rd Group Stage - Uefa Cup - Lose to Marseille
2004/05 - Quarters - Lost to Milan
2005/06 - Quarters - Lost to Villareal on Away Goals Rule

After Ibra came:
2006/07 - 1st Knock Out Round - Lost to Valencia on Away Goals Rule
2007/08 - 1st Knock Out Round - Lost to Liverpool
2008/09 - 1st Knock Out Round - Lost to Manchester United.

My friend it's a proven fact that Inter were a better team in the UCL (P.S. Not a better team overall - We had the likes of Wome and Favalli on our team and that says a lot.) before Ibra came. Ibra is the kind of player who can't play with a team. He functions best when the ball is given to him and he can orchestrate the attack. Whenever Inter have tried to simply have Ibra as a finisher (beginning of 2008/09 season) he would miss those simple chances and experience dips in form.

With a proper midfield, wouldn't he have to play that CF role that he is poor at? And if not wouldn't the creative abilities of that proper midfield be wasted were Zlatan to continue to play the way he plays?

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 18:40
Ya, Adriano also only scored 16 goals in the Serie A during his best season, Zlatan has scored more than that in 2/3 seasons with us...

..... wanna add the fact that Zlatan won us 3 Scudetti also.

Or have you realized that you post adds nothing to this debate?

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 18:54
He was also our top scorer. Everything we do attacking wise is for Ibra. Every ball our midfield touches is for Ibra. Every free kick we win Ibra takes it.
Once Ibra gets the ball he either passes it or shoots. This is why he is our top scorer and assiter. He takes more shots, gets more touches in attack and has the longest time on possession than any of our players. In the start of the season when Ibra was made to wait for the ball and simply score chances people here complained about how Ibra was being under-utilized even though he would miss sitters.
Were we to get a proper midfield wouldn't Zlatan have to stay in the box and wait for chances?

You are making Ibra a problem, something I think is crazy. Yes, we are way too dependent on Ibra, but that's not because of him, it's because no one else can create. With players like Deco, we are improving the other parts of the team, plus we get a proven goal scorer in Milito. These are improvements that will lessen our dependence on Ibra. Your solution seems to be to sell Ibra, which would leave us in a much worse state than with him. Getting players like Deco will make us more unpredictable, which has been a major problem for us. Selling Ibra might solve that problem, but will create another, just as grave.

Anyway, the assist point was to question your statement that said Ibra is only playing for himself or that Inter plays only for Ibra.


Obviously cash could be added to it. Plus I was asked who would I buy not who I think the management wants.

Sorry, but discussing what you would do serves no purpose. The "facts" are that we have been linked to Drogba and Benzema (plus Eto'o and Aguero less seriously) for the "after-Ibra". They will not solve anything. Moratti will replace Ibra with a superstar name, although it might not solve the problem Ibra's departure will cause.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 19:12
You are making Ibra a problem, something I think is crazy. Yes, we are way too dependent on Ibra, but that's not because of him, it's because no one else can create. With players like Deco, we are improving the other parts of the team, plus we get a proven goal scorer in Milito. These are improvements that will lessen our dependence on Ibra. Your solution seems to be to sell Ibra, which would leave us in a much worse state than with him. Getting players like Deco will make us more unpredictable, which has been a major problem for us. Selling Ibra might solve that problem, but will create another, just as grave.
It's only a matter of time before teams in Serie A get smart and start marking Zlatan out of games like the way Napoli and those English teams did.

We've always had good goal scorers around Zlatan (except last season) Crespo and Cruz both had 15 goals in Zlatan's first two seasons. Yet we were still Ibra dependent.

I would love Deco to come and change things but at 32 I doubt he will do anything for us.



Sorry, but discussing what you would do serves no purpose. The "facts" are that we have been linked to Drogba and Benzema (plus Eto'o and Aguero less seriously) for the "after-Ibra". They will not solve anything. Moratti will replace Ibra with a superstar name, although it might not solve the problem Ibra's departure will cause.
Haven't we also been linked with Melo, Cassano and Hernanes? I didn't mention them out of the blue.


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I think a lot of people here are afraid of letting Ibra go because they think that him leaving will lead to us going back to the times when we were barren and didn't win shit. That maybe a good reason to keep him but you have to consider he will soon be 28, he is not entirely committed to helping Inter winning (if at all) and also the next Scudetto isn't even a guarantee with or without Ibra.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 19:30
It's only a matter of time before teams in Serie A get smart and start marking Zlatan out of games like the way Napoli and those English teams did.

We've always had good goal scorers around Zlatan (except last season) Crespo and Cruz both had 15 goals in Zlatan's first two seasons. Yet we were still Ibra dependent.

I would love Deco to come and change things but at 32 I doubt he will do anything for us.

Everyone knows how to mark Ibra, but they don't manage it. Everyone knows that he must be marked out to freeze Inter, but still he became top scorer while misfiring a lot as well.

Why wouldn't Deco change anything? Because he is 32? I'm amazed by this general negativity towards these "old" ones. Deco is a quality player.


Haven't we also been linked with Melo, Cassano and Hernanes? I didn't mention them out of the blue.

Melo? Yes. Cassano? Yes, but not strong links, plus we never seem to have been really interested. Hernanes? That must be a month ago. But it really doesn't matter, these are not rumoured to us as replacements for Ibra.

Point is that for the "dopo Ibra" we have only been linked to Drogba, Benzema, Eto'o and Aguero. The latter two less so. Say we got Deco, would Drogba/Benzema be better than Ibrahimovic? I seriously doubt it. Imo, it would most likely move our dependecy to Deco instead.


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I think a lot of people here are afraid of letting Ibra go because they think that him leaving will lead to us going back to the times when we were barren and didn't win shit. That maybe a good reason to keep him but you have to consider he will soon be 28, he is not entirely committed to helping Inter winning (if at all) and also the next Scudetto isn't even a guarantee with or without Ibra.

There are no one willing to spend enough for Ibra to convince Inter to let him go. I don't think any club would spend €70m, barring Real, but they seem to prefer other players. I understand you want to sell him at €50m, which is ridiculous looking at Kaka's sum. Also, Moratti mentioned €100m just a few months ago, so selling him for €50m would be a fool's action.

I don't want Ibra to go because I believe Inter will be weakened by it. Inter with Ibra is stronger than any Inter without Ibra. As long as he doesn't state a specific wish to leave, we should keep him here. We are Inter, we should not sell our stars. Ibra has proven he can do well for us, we don't have any guarantee that eg Cassano can fulfil that role.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 19:36
Before Ibra came:
2002/03 - Semis - Lost to Milan on Away goals rule
2003/04 - 3rd Group Stage - Uefa Cup - Lose to Marseille
2004/05 - Quarters - Lost to Milan
2005/06 - Quarters - Lost to Villareal on Away Goals Rule

After Ibra came:
2006/07 - 1st Knock Out Round - Lost to Valencia on Away Goals Rule
2007/08 - 1st Knock Out Round - Lost to Liverpool
2008/09 - 1st Knock Out Round - Lost to Manchester United.

My friend it's a proven fact that Inter were a better team in the UCL (P.S. Not a better team overall - We had the likes of Wome and Favalli on our team and that says a lot.) before Ibra came. Ibra is the kind of player who can't play with a team. He functions best when the ball is given to him and he can orchestrate the attack. Whenever Inter have tried to simply have Ibra as a finisher (beginning of 2008/09 season) he would miss those simple chances and experience dips in form.

With a proper midfield, wouldn't he have to play that CF role that he is poor at? And if not wouldn't the creative abilities of that proper midfield be wasted were Zlatan to continue to play the way he plays?

LoL. U're really odd! Now that u posted the stats urself everyone can see what glories Inter had before ibra at CL!!:rolleyes: Well if quarter final elimination is a pride for you then you should not be an Inter fan, cause that's for 3rd 4th class teams in Europe. The fact that you call elimination at quarter finals a fact that we had better record at CL before Ibra and relate our recent failures at not reaching QUARTER FINALs to Ibra, just embarass urself boy.

szasza02
24 Jun 09, 19:39
this thread became the "bullshitting with nyall" thread lately.

Ilkinio
24 Jun 09, 19:43
Leave this troll alone. He is not even funny anymore.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 19:53
Everyone knows how to mark Ibra, but they don't manage it. Everyone knows that he must be marked out to freeze Inter, but still he became top scorer while misfiring a lot as well.
Everyone may know this.... But how many times has it actually been done?


Why wouldn't Deco change anything? Because he is 32? I'm amazed by this general negativity towards these "old" ones. Deco is a quality player.
Forgive me for not being a fan of Milan's transfer style.



Melo? Yes. Cassano? Yes, but not strong links, plus we never seem to have been really interested. Hernanes? That must be a month ago. But it really doesn't matter, these are not rumoured to us as replacements for Ibra.
Cassano has been rumored as Ibra's possible replacement.
But the other have been simply rumored to join us but I get your point.


Point is that for the "dopo Ibra" we have only been linked to Drogba, Benzema, Eto'o and Aguero. The latter two less so. Say we got Deco, would Drogba/Benzema be better than Ibrahimovic? I seriously doubt it. Imo, it would most likely move our dependecy to Deco instead.
Does that mean that these are the only players we are considering/will sign? The transfer season hasn't even started yet. We'll have 2 full months to deal with the replacement of Ibra, if it happens.


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There are no one willing to spend enough for Ibra to convince Inter to let him go. I don't think any club would spend €70m, barring Real, but they seem to prefer other players. I understand you want to sell him at €50m, which is ridiculous looking at Kaka's sum. Also, Moratti mentioned €100m just a few months ago, so selling him for €50m would be a fool's action.
Kaka is a world champion, Serie A champion, UCL champion, world player of the year, European player of the year, UCL knock out round scorer, etc. etc. He is also twice as marketable as Ibra.

Ibra is a Serie A champion and Swedish player of the year.

Ibra is in no way, shape or form worth 100 million anything. Except probably Japanese YEN. If Inter were to receive such a bid Moratti should and probably would accept it.


I don't want Ibra to go because I believe Inter will be weakened by it. Inter with Ibra is stronger than any Inter without Ibra. As long as he doesn't state a specific wish to leave, we should keep him here. We are Inter, we should not sell our stars. Ibra has proven he can do well for us, we don't have any guarantee that eg Cassano can fulfil that role.
I don't want him to stay before he is simply not committed to Inter and these rumors will continue every transfer window until he leaves.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 20:11
LoL. U're really odd! Now that u posted the stats urself everyone can see what glories Inter had before ibra at CL!!:rolleyes: Well if quarter final elimination is a pride for you then you should not be an Inter fan, cause that's for 3rd 4th class teams in Europe. The fact that you call elimination at quarter finals a fact that we had better
Did I mention anything about glories? All I simply stated was that Inter was more competitive in the UCL before Ibra came. Sure it doesn't look like that much of an improvement but tell that to a guy like Moratti or the players of the club.


record at CL before Ibra and relate our recent failures at not reaching QUARTER FINALs to Ibra, just embarass urself boy.
None of the blame must ever be laid on Ibra. Let's blame it on the team, FFS.

* 1 Francesco Toldo
* 2 Iván Córdoba
* 4 Javier Zanetti
* 5 Dejan Stanković
* 10 Adriano
* 14 Juan Sebastián Verón
* 19 Esteban Cambiasso
* 20 Alvaro Recoba
* 25 Walter Samuel
* 31 César
* 33 Pierre Womé


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* 1 Francesco Toldo
* 2 Iván Córdoba
* 4 Javier Zanetti
* 5 Dejan Stanković
* 7 Luís Figo
* 10 Adriano
* 14 Juan Sebastián Verón
* 19 Esteban Cambiasso
* 20 Alvaro Recoba
* 23 Marco Materazzi
* 25 Walter Samuel


________________________________
12 Julio Cesar; 24 Rivas, 26 Chivu, 39 Santon; 4 Zanetti, 19 Cambiasso, 20 Muntari; 5 Stankovic; 8 Ibrahimovic, 10 Adriano.

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12 Julio Cesar; 13 Maicon, 2 Cordoba, 25 Samuel, 39 Santon; 14 Vieira, 19 Cambiasso, 4 Zanetti; 5 Stankovic; 8 Ibrahimovic, 45 Balotelli.

Tell me the better team and omit the bolded individual.


Then answer me why is it that one player was able to score goals in the UCL Knock Out round whilst the other wasn't.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 20:24
Everyone may know this.... But how many times has it actually been done?

Not often, because they can't contain him. He is too good for them.


Forgive me for not being a fan of Milan's transfer style.

Yes, it could be better, but writing off Deco because Milan has a certain transfer style is a bit unfair, right?


Does that mean that these are the only players we are considering/will sign? The transfer season hasn't even started yet. We'll have 2 full months to deal with the replacement of Ibra, if it happens.

Mourinho wants his squad more or less done by mid-July. We will move quickly if Ibra is sold. But I don't think he'll be sold, so that's not a problem.


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Kaka is a world champion, Serie A champion, UCL champion, world player of the year, European player of the year, UCL knock out round scorer, etc. etc. He is also twice as marketable as Ibra.

Ibra has been better than Kaka ever since Milan won CL 2007.


Ibra is in no way, shape or form worth 100 million anything. Except probably Japanese YEN. If Inter were to receive such a bid Moratti should and probably would accept it.

Maybe not, but if our bar was at 100m, it would be ridiculous to sell him for half of that two months later. He earns 12m a year, at least, which means he won't go cheap.


I don't want him to stay before he is simply not committed to Inter and these rumors will continue every transfer window until he leaves.

Exactly how is he not committed to Inter? He is not saying he wants to go. If he wasn't committed, Inter would not have been an option. His commitment is totally professional, maybe nothing more, but he is committed.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 20:37
Not often, because they can't contain him. He is too good for them.
Yeah but for how long?




Yes, it could be better, but writing off Deco because Milan has a certain transfer style is a bit unfair, right?
Not really. In addition to being old he's been far from impressive in his last 2/3 seasons.


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Ibra has been better than Kaka ever since Milan won CL 2007.
True, but Kaka is still regarded as the better player my most.




Maybe not, but if our bar was at 100m, it would be ridiculous to sell him for half of that two months later.
It's one thing to say something and it's another to do it. And we know Moratti never means what he says.




Exactly how is he not committed to Inter? He is not saying he wants to go. If he wasn't committed, Inter would not have been an option. His commitment is totally professional, maybe nothing more, but he is committed.
7 months into a 5 year contract: "I want a new challenge" = I want to leave Inter for another team = I am not committed to Inter.

And what's worse he was supposed to be a fan of the club as a child and should have even deeper feelings for the club than the average player.

Ibra's comments in March started those rumors and those rumors won't stop uness he goes a PR stating that he has no intention of leaving Inter for the next 4 year years. That's how a player shows commitment.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 20:38
Leave this troll alone. He is not even funny anymore.

Haven't you got some irrelevant posts to go make?

.............Oh wait here's one right here.

Suneet
24 Jun 09, 20:43
He has a lot of other things to do Nyall. He's not a loyal Interista, but dangle the golden ball and champions league in front of any player and he will want to move.

I'm not arguing, but this debate can go on and on and lead nowhere.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 20:46
He has a lot of other things to do Nyall. He's not a loyal Interista, but dangle the golden ball and champions league in front of any player and he will want to move.

I'm not arguing, but this debate can go on and on and lead nowhere.

Obviously he doesn't want to wait for it and he wants to move ASAP. So why not give him what he wants instead of having these stupid rumors disrupting squad harmony and also distracting players' performance on the pitch.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 20:52
Yeah but for how long?

Let's discuss it when it happens, because it hasn't for two years.

Also I rather Ibra who has proven he can deal with the pressure than Drogba/Benzema who are completely untested in this environment.


Not really. In addition to being old he's been far from impressive in his last 2/3 seasons.

Let's give him a shot first. And anyway, we are going to get Deco. Are you still willing to let Ibra go, seeing as Benzema/Drogba is his likely replacement?



True, but Kaka is still regarded as the better player my most.

That's because Ibra hasn't succeeded in CL. He isn't very inferior to Kaka. Anyway, Inter value him at Kaka's level and in the end that's the most important thing.


It's one thing to say something and it's another to do it. And we know Moratti never means what he says.

No, but €100m doesn't turn into a 50% discount by a phone call.


7 months into a 5 year contract: "I want a new challenge" = I want to leave Inter for another team = I am not committed to Inter.

This is simply not correct. Ibra has never said Inter wasn't an option and his most recent interview said Inter was indeed an option.


And what's worse he was supposed to be a fan of the club as a child and should have even deeper feelings for the club than the average player.

You can't demand this from a player.


Ibra's comments in March started those rumors and those rumors won't stop uness he goes a PR stating that he has no intention of leaving Inter for the next 4 year years. That's how a player shows commitment.

You will never get that from Ibra, but you must face that there is something in between.

Adam
24 Jun 09, 20:52
Yeah but he has still scored in the UCL Knock Out round which is all that matters.

Do you even know what we're discussing here? Seriously, don't write to me anymore. Don't, because you're starting to annoy me. If you continue writing me I will make it my mission on this forum to make you look like the spokesperson for international stupidity. You do a pretty good job by yourself, but one of your post from here, and another from there will really paint a telling picture. Ok, get it? E Capisce?

Seriously, you're fucking annoying me. Stop writing me or I'll make you fucking contemplate suicide.

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 20:54
Obviously he doesn't want to wait for it and he wants to move ASAP. So why not give him what he wants instead of having these stupid rumors disrupting squad harmony and also distracting players' performance on the pitch.

Where are you getting this from? Why would he say Inter is an option if he so desperately wants to move away? Also, how did you get into the Inter locker room? I mean, since you say the harmony is disrupted and that players can't focus properly.

Rimpel
24 Jun 09, 20:55
Leave this troll alone. He is not even funny anymore.

Agreed, this is getting ridiculous.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 20:56
Do you even know what we're discussing here? Seriously, don't write to me anymore. Don't, because you're starting to annoy me. If you continue writing me I will make it my mission on this forum to make you look like the spokesperson for international stupidity. You do a pretty good job by yourself, but one of your post from here, and another from there will really paint a telling picture. Ok, get it? E Capisce?

Seriously, you're fucking annoying me. Stop writing me or I'll make you fucking contemplate suicide.

Ohh I'm so scared... Some dumb Swede who thinks he's cool threatens me over the internet... :lol::lol::lol:

I'm going to report you to the police....:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hammoudi
24 Jun 09, 21:01
Maldini never could win any cup with the National team in his career. That doesn't makes Andrea Barzagli a better player than him just because he has won WC and Maldini didn't.

Eto'o was no pedestrian mate, he MADE those two championships. Say if Barzagli won two WC in which he was instrumental and had a respectable career, then I'd give him a second thought over Maldini.

But point taken.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 21:02
Where are you getting this from? Why would he say Inter is an option if he so desperately wants to move away?
That's after a month of his agent whoring him out to many clubs and realizing that interest simply isn't there. So obviously he has to say something to try to win back the fans.



Also, how did you get into the Inter locker room? I mean, since you say the harmony is disrupted and that players can't focus properly.
Maicon, who is widely regarded as our second best player, was upset at the fact that our management was giving so much attention to the Ibra situation. and in a second interview used the words "we", indicated others felt the same.

Adam
24 Jun 09, 21:02
Ohh I'm so scared... Some dumb Swede who thinks he's cool threatens me over the internet... :lol::lol::lol:

I'm going to report you to the police....:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The thing with people like you is you never learn untill your ego get's stung. Sigh... you're not even worth the fucking effort.

Rimpel
24 Jun 09, 21:05
Maicon, who is widely regarded as our second best player, was upset at the fact that our management was giving so much attention to the Ibra situation. and in a second interview used the words "we", indicated others felt the same.

that story was confirmed bullshit


That's after a month of his agent whoring him out to many clubs and realizing that interest simply isn't there. So obviously he has to say something to try to win back the fans.

Exactly where did you get this exclusive info from? It's like you know him personally :o

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 21:06
I take it that you don't have any replies to the paragraphs you don't answer in your recent post.


That's after a month of his agent whoring him out to many clubs and realizing that interest simply isn't there. So obviously he has to say something to try to win back the fans.

He was looking for options in addition to Inter, yes, but Inter were never not an option.


Maicon, who is widely regarded as our second best player, was upset at the fact that our management was giving so much attention to the Ibra situation. and in a second interview used the words "we", indicated others felt the same.

Maicon is one of 25+ players. Julio Cesar, Santon, Figo, Toldo, Zanetti and others I probably forget have spoken and not said anything about it.

And I mean, we would be stupid not to pay attention to it. Holding onto or selling Ibra is a huge decision.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 21:07
The thing with people like you is you never learn untill your ego get's stung. Sigh... you're not even worth the fucking effort.

Whatever happened to: "I will make it my mission on this forum to make you look like the spokesperson for international stupidity." and "I'll make you fucking contemplate suicide."

Are you pregnant? Carrying Ibra's child? It would explain why you have some undying obsession to defend him and also your violent mood swings.....

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 21:08
XL and Nyall2008, stay on topic. If you don't want to read each other's posts, use the ignore function.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 21:09
that story was confirmed bullshit



Exactly where did you get this exclusive info from? It's like you know him personally :o

So why did Branca travel to Madrid to negotiate a deal for Maicon a few days after it came out? That alone shows it had some relevance.

Rimpel
24 Jun 09, 21:11
So why did Branca travel to Madrid to negotiate a deal for Maicon a few days after it came out? That alone shows it had some relevance.

Umm no it doesn't, your angel Maicon said that he would like to play for Madrid in the future.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 21:11
Maicon is one of 25+ players. Julio Cesar, Santon, Figo, Toldo, Zanetti and others I probably forget have spoken and not said anything about it.

And I mean, we would be stupid not to pay attention to it. Holding onto or selling Ibra is a huge decision.

A lot of players don't publicly speak about club affairs that have little to do with them. Does that mean they are happy about it? Or upset at it?

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 21:12
A lot of players don't publicly speak about club affairs that have little to do with them. Does that mean they are happy about it? Or upset at it?

How could we possibly know?

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 21:17
Umm no it doesn't, your angel Maicon said that he would like to play for Madrid in the future.

Maicon speaks about leaving unless the club starts showing him some attention instead of giving it all to "superstar" Ibra and how he wants to join Madrid.
The next day all major papers in Italy start having orgasms about Maicon leaving Inter for Madrid.
That same day his agent says the story is not true.
A few days after Moratti confirms that Branca traveled to Madrid to negotiate the sale of Maicon.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 21:19
How could we possibly know?

By those who do.

Maicon is probably one of our most influencial players and if he feels that way thyen one can only assume players in he same situation as him do as well.

Rimpel
24 Jun 09, 21:19
Maicon speaks about leaving unless the club starts showing him some attention instead of giving it all to "superstar" Ibra and how he wants to join Madrid.
The next day all major papers in Italy start having orgasms about Maicon leaving Inter for Madrid.
That same day his agent says the story is not true.
A few days after Moratti confirms that Branca traveled to Madrid to negotiate the sale of Maicon.

You're just making most of this shit up, don't you see that?:dielaugh:

Adam
24 Jun 09, 21:22
Whatever happened to: "I will make it my mission on this forum to make you look like the spokesperson for international stupidity." and "I'll make you fucking contemplate suicide."

Are you pregnant? Carrying Ibra's child? It would explain why you have some undying obsession to defend him and also your violent mood swings.....

Ok, fine, as you wish. That will be my mission for the next few weeks. :lol: Obviously, you contemplating suicide is an overstatement. I don't think I will make you feel that stupid, actually I wouldn't even want to. You're an idiot and it wouldn't register with you anyway.

For the last few pages of this thread you have made one idiotic argument after another, had someone shut it down, and then either ignored the specific section of the post or simply just changed your argument. In your little World doing that as long as you reply, regardless of how idiotic it is, classifies as a win, but in reality it's a fail and it makes you look dumb.

I'm off now, cya tomorrow Nyall. :)

Forza ragazzi
24 Jun 09, 21:22
By those who do.

Maicon is probably one of our most influencial players and if he feels that way thyen one can only assume players in he same situation as him do as well.

I just named more than five players that had said nothing about such a thing, and yet you ignore them completely and only recognizes Maicon's interview? I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm not saying you're right. But there is no way we can know this for sure. Say we believe all (yes, all, because we can't ignore the answers we don't like) the players who have spoken about Ibra, we have only one player who isn't pleased with how things have been handled, and I don't call that locker room disruption.

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 21:33
You're just making most of this shit up, don't you see that?:dielaugh:

Making it up?

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun10c.html - Maicon speaks about how he is contemplate leaving Inter due to the fact he feels he's being ignored for not being a "superstar" like Ibra.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun9x.html - His agent does the same.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.24oredisport.com%2F%3Faction%3D read%26idnotizia%3D12030&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0= - Recalcati says that Maicon has been put on the market. I wanted to get you the Gazetta link but I can't read Italian so archives are too hard to find.
BTW, Recalcati was one of the first to report RQ to Inter so he has some creditability.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.fcinternews.it/index.php%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D5405&hl=en&langpair=auto%7Cen&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1 - Maicon's agent denies it all.

http://translate.google.fi/translate?prev=hp&hl=fi&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.24oredisport.com%2F%3Faction%3D read%26idnotizia%3D12150&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0= - Realcalcati says Maicon to real for a cash + players deal.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/inter/?action=read&idnotizia=5761- Moratti confirms Branca went to Madrid for Maicon.

Show me something there that is made up.

DIN011
24 Jun 09, 21:46
BTW, Recalcati was one of teh first to report RQ to Inter so he has some creditability.

:wallbang:

Nyall
24 Jun 09, 21:55
I just named more than five players that had said nothing about such a thing, and yet you ignore them completely and only recognizes Maicon's interview? I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm not saying you're right. But there is no way we can know this for sure. Say we believe all (yes, all, because we can't ignore the answers we don't like) the players who have spoken about Ibra, we have only one player who isn't pleased with how things have been handled, and I don't call that locker room disruption.
I may have exaggerated the squad disruption bit. But the mere fact that players are even upset shows hat his entire incident is hurting Inter and should be resolved ASAP, because the last thing we need is Maicon and Ibra not seeing eye to eye on the pitch.



I was so engrossed with the Swedish APs I missed this:


Maicon is one of 25+ players. Julio Cesar, Santon, Figo, Toldo, Zanetti and others I probably forget have spoken and not said anything about it.

And I mean, we would be stupid not to pay attention to it. Holding onto or selling Ibra is a huge decision.
Like I said not everyone will be upset at it. Just the fact one of best players is says the shows that this incident is affecting Inter for the worse.

NimAraya
24 Jun 09, 22:02
Like I said not everyone will be upset at it. Just the fact one of best players is says the shows that this incident is affecting Inter for the worse.

DUH!!!

Just because Robinho exchange Real Madrid to Manchester City doesn't mean MAn City is a better team than Real. Whatever the fuck Maicon's issuse is, it's just his own concern. I don't think Ibra's situation has anything to do with the team. Our players are all in vacations and I really doubt they give a crap what's going on in Media. Just because Materazzi think it's funny for him to crush somebody's leg with his kicks doesn't mean the whole Inter players think like that!

Tekeo
24 Jun 09, 22:20
Nyall I think everyone knows your opinion after three pages of repeating it over and over. So honestly stop spamming, make "I think Ibra is a traitor and want him to leave" your signature if you still feel a strong need to express it and stop responding only to disagree all the time when we already know your viewpoint.

Just my two cents.

Hasan
24 Jun 09, 22:50
Hernanes, Melo and Cassano.

It's really hard to talk with you on Zlatan Ibrahimović thread because you clearly hate the man. And things he gave to us are:

- after Bobo Vieri and Ronaldo we have world-class player
- he brought us three scudetti
- he wins almost all small games by himself
- he leads the team in serie A and Europe

His problem in Europe:

- english teams are much better from teams in serie A, they can make quality mark on him so he needs help from teammates but... Nobody can tell that he played bad games against Man Utd but he can't play alone.

Behaving of Balotelli, Fabregas, Maicon , C.Ronaldo in Man Utd etc. is exactly the same like from Ibra. Only Inter fans have in blood to turn against their best player after every word.

snake
25 Jun 09, 00:01
My god, what a waste of a page and a half.

Nyall
25 Jun 09, 02:04
It's really hard to talk with you on Zlatan Ibrahimović thread because you clearly hate the man.
Let's get one thing straight. I don't hate Zlatan. He was by far my favorite player.
Me wanting him to go is not out of hatred but simply for the betterment of the team overall. Zlatan doesn't want to commit to the club I support. I supported Inter before Zlatan (unlike some of you) and will never hold Zlatan in a higher regard than the club or diminish Inter's accomplishments just to make Zlatan look good. (again unlike some of you)
It's funny how the majority of those people just happen to be Swedish.


- after Bobo Vieri and Ronaldo we have world-class player
Adriano


- he brought us three scudetti
You don't say 1 vs 11, eh.


- he wins almost all small games by himself
And chokes in almost all big games.


- he leads the team in serie A and Europe
Someone has to. So why shouldn't it be the guy who gets paid better than any other player in the world?


There's two sides to every coin. You people love the positives and these are the only aspects of Zlatan you consider. To you people, Zlatan can do no wrong and if anyone points out the negatives they are either: a) An idiot b) A Troll c) An Idiotic Troll

Inter's main goal is the UCL. That can be agreed. Zlatan hasn't scored in 18 UCL Knock Out games. That is a fact. Zlatan is our leader. That is a fact. How do you guys ever expect a team that plays for their leader, to win the UCL if the leader chokes in the UCL?
The solution is simple get the leader more help. The players we are currently close to signing are good but if they couldn't get into the starting elevens we are signing them from why would they increase the chances of beating those exact teams?
And this is my argument, Why not sell Zlatan and replace him with 2 or 3 quality players who are capable of doing his job and more? So far, Forza_Ragazzi has given me a proper argument as to why we shouldn't sell him. Whilst the other insightful scholars, have added their educated input by bashing me instead of adding their opinion, which is exactly what this forum is made for.



- english teams are much better from teams in serie A, they can make quality mark on him so he needs help from teammates but... Nobody can tell that he played bad games against Man Utd but he can't play alone.
You've again stated the problem now give your solution like I have. This is all I have been doing giving my opinion on how I think Inter's UCL woes can be solved. People here disagree with it and start name calling.
Geez, and there's a wonder why there's no world peace. :rolleyes:


Behaving of Balotelli, Fabregas, Maicon , C.Ronaldo in Man Utd etc. is exactly the same like from Ibra. Only Inter fans have in blood to turn against their best player after every word.
Disagree completely. Balotelli and Maicon wanted money. Ronaldo (who has won everything possible with United) wants a new challenge. Fabregas wants to return one day to the club that he grew up at. Zlatan (who has not won half of what he needs to win at Inter) wants a new challenge.
I have turned on him due to the fact he's walking out of the club at a crucial time and in fact a time that we need him the most.

Nyall
25 Jun 09, 02:05
My god, what a waste of a page and a half.

My god, you're a waste of an ovum and a spermatozoa.

bennyblanco
25 Jun 09, 03:08
My god, you're a waste of an ovum and a spermatozoa.

Nyall must be doing sex education at school Hal, atleast you arent getting the gay innuendo treatment :dielaugh:

lol isnt every teams ultimate goal the CL...

Nyall
25 Jun 09, 04:37
Nyall must be doing sex education at school Hal, atleast you arent getting the gay innuendo treatment :dielaugh:

lol isnt every teams ultimate goal the CL...

Actually it's part of the Biology syllabus.