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.h.
22 Dec 15, 18:24
haha you make it sound like he's spent his career in second division football scared to play with the big boys.

Of course it was exaggerated, but I think the point is obvious.

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You said he only goes to top clubs to win leagues which you used against him now he's not going to top enough clubs?

No, let me clarify

He's going to uncompetitive leagues to the club which is easily the best in the league. Just because you're top of the Albanian league doesnt make you a "top" club. Look at Inter's inability to do jack shit in the Champions League whilst Ibrahimovic was here as an example.

When we're talking about top clubs, I mean I expect him to spend his best years at one of the world's most competitive clubs. He never played in the premiership, only played 1 season in a Liga, and REALLY? He had maybe two competitive seasons in Serie A where he won the title and made a serious impact.

wicked wizard
22 Dec 15, 18:28
Of course it was exaggerated, but I think the point is obvious.

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No, let me clarify

He's going to uncompetitive leagues to the club which is easily the best in the league. Just because you're top of the Albanian league doesnt make you a "top" club. Look at Inter's inability to do jack shit in the Champions League whilst Ibrahimovic was here as an example.

When we're talking about top clubs, I mean I expect him to spend his best years at one of the world's most competitive clubs. He never played in the premiership, only played 1 season in a Liga, and REALLY? He had maybe two competitive seasons in Serie A where he won the title and made a serious impact.Not obvious. You make sound like there's this another elite level of football where Ibrahimovic has avoided.

.h.
22 Dec 15, 18:29
Not obvious. You make sound like there's this another elite level of football where Ibrahimovic has avoided.

Isnt there? Or do you really think PSG, Inter, and AC Milan have been the pinnacle of club football over the last 8-10 years?

wicked wizard
22 Dec 15, 18:32
Isnt there? Or do you really think PSG, Inter, and AC Milan have been the pinnacle of club football over the last 8-10 years?It's not like the 10 years they has been another level of football above them.

.h.
22 Dec 15, 18:34
It's not like the 10 years they has been another level of football above them.

You really think that Inter has been right up there with the best clubs in europe consistently for the last 10 years?

Well, that's that then.

I'll let the audience draw their own conclusions. For me, apart from one MIRACULOUS unbelievable season, Inter hasnt even been close to an 'elite' force in the Champions League. Nor have PSG. Nor have AC.

If you think we've been in the same league as Chelsea, Barca, Real, etc, for the last 10 years consistently then there's no point having this discussion any further, and I can see why you think Ibra has been competing at the top level.

thatdude
22 Dec 15, 18:38
So what about his time with Juventus? He came in a mind benched a club legend in Del Piero. Surely at that point Juventus was an elite club.

.h.
22 Dec 15, 18:40
So what about his time with Juventus? He came in a mind benched a club legend in Del Piero. Surely at that point Juventus was an elite club.

Sure, but he was hardly the lynchpin for them that he's developed into in the last few years. He scored a total of 26 goals in 92 games for Juve, after all. Also, it was around the time Italian football was going into hardcore decline. Mid-to-late 90s would have been a different story, right at its height, but early to mid 00s? Not the same league it was 5 years earlier, really.

thatdude
22 Dec 15, 19:11
He was young, and played off the main striker but that's what makes it more impressive. I don't really think Serie A went into decline until 07-08 or so. Now this year seems to be its first year "back".

wicked wizard
23 Dec 15, 00:02
Browha is just reaching now. Just admit you were stupid not to call him world class. We all say silly things now and again.

Universe
23 Dec 15, 03:19
browdiera

Kakaroto
23 Dec 15, 03:41
What impresses me the most about Ibra is how fluid an athlete he is despite being tall. You see a lot tall strikers be awkward with ball at their feet, not Ibra who has tremendous natural ability.

I'm prolly in the minority but I don't like to judge team sport players on their team accomplishments, though that obviously helps. I put more emphasis on what I deem their natural ability, which I acknowledge is very subjective.

ADRossi
23 Dec 15, 05:08
What impresses me the most about Ibra is how fluid an athlete he is despite being tall. You see a lot tall strikers be awkward with ball at their feet, not Ibra who has tremendous natural ability.

I'm prolly in the minority but I don't like to judge team sport players on their team accomplishments, though that obviously helps. I put more emphasis on what I deem their natural ability, which I acknowledge is very subjective.

What about quarterbacks in the NFL?

Kakaroto
23 Dec 15, 06:30
What about quarterbacks in the NFL?

While my expertise in Tackleball is being a bandwagon fan I think that within a team sport the QB has a high degree of responsibility for a team being good or bad. Yes bad QBs can win a super bowl (coincidently a reason not to use SBs as the end all be all) but great QBs make teams consistently win games. A team that consistently wins has a higher chance of wining the ultimate game, unless you are the 90s Bills.

In short I think team success is a bigger factor in determining who the great QBs are. Now someone who lives and breaths Tackleball probably can identify great QBs by their arm talent and stuff like that something that to me is very foreign.

Javier'sSon
23 Dec 15, 07:46
he only ever 'failed' in CL. everywhere else he did great, especially since Swedish NT is not that great and in some clubs he was like the only threat

you cannot say he is just a guy that scores amazing goals every now or then. how many players have been such important club players no matter where they played? it's no small feat.

I didn't say he failed nor does he only score great goals. His record speaks for itself, he's won consecutive championships like it's nothing and he was a major factor in those wins. Being a flat track bully is not a bad thing, people always say winning against the smaller teams is what wins you the league and he has always excelled and delivered against those teams. Does he have amazing technique and skills? Of course, do I think people overestimate him because of that? I do.

Rimpel
23 Dec 15, 07:59
Ibracadabra :slick:

wera
23 Dec 15, 08:09
I didn't say he failed nor does he only score great goals. His record speaks for itself, he's won consecutive championships like it's nothing and he was a major factor in those wins. Being a flat track bully is not a bad thing, people always say winning against the smaller teams is what wins you the league and he has always excelled and delivered against those teams. Does he have amazing technique and skills? Of course, do I think people overestimate him because of that? I do.

I wouldn't downplay that he has performed in Serie A against rivals, same in Ligue 1, he scored in the El Classico,... when we start saying who achieved what, there are a lot of players that achieved less, the only real, clear better attacker in the world is Messi. Ibra deserves to be mentioned next to CR, Hazard, Suarez, Aguero, Robben, Lewandovski, Totti (since he is still playing) (Neymar is going to be bigger than everyone on this list, I think) and not all of them might have won the CL or WC, but they are still all considered World Class when they are in full form.

If Ibra ends his career right now, he is a certified football legend in my eyes, one of the best in this generation.

.h.
23 Dec 15, 08:37
Browha is just reaching now. Just admit you were stupid not to call him world class. We all say silly things now and again.

you concluded that from what I said? inter milan nor psg are or have been in the last decade or so consistently in the elite teams of world football. pretty obvious, and factual.

wicked wizard
23 Dec 15, 10:25
you concluded that from what I said? inter milan nor psg are or have been in the last decade or so consistently in the elite teams of world football. pretty obvious, and factual.Just admit he's world class ffs. When 147 ppl tell you you're drunk it's time to go home.

.h.
23 Dec 15, 10:34
I'm going to invoke Goodwins law. Just because everyone voted for you doesnt mean you're right.

Zlatan4life
25 Dec 15, 16:53
Zlatan has launched his own website where you can watch every goal he scored in his carrer

http://zhowtime.com/

Bergpavian
29 Dec 15, 11:51
Stubborn Person: "Ibra carried Sweden to Euro 2016!"

browha: "Yeah, but Sweden had to qualify in the play-offs."

Stubborn Person: "Ummm ... He made 8 of 15 Swedish goals ... Only Lewandowski and Müller scored more goals."

browha: "He only scores in unimportant games. I want to see him scoring in big games."

Stubborn Person: "He made 3 of 4 Swedish goals in the play-offs!"

browha: "1. If he would have been better, Sweden wouldn't have to play the play-offs. 2. He only scored against Denmark. No competition."

Stubborn Person: "In official games with Sweden he scored against teams like Italy, Spain, France, Germany or Portugal."

browha: "Has he ever won a title with Sweden? No. Has he ever carried Sweden to a semifinal? No."

Stubborn Person: "Okay, I give up."

.h.
29 Dec 15, 11:52
:yao:
yes, because my arguments over the last 4 pages have been focused on Sweden exactly how many times? Oh, thats right, 0. Fucking 0. Well done reading. Allow your blind love of Ibrahimovic to ebb out the last of your rationality.


Have you ever heard a porn star talk about being dick drunk? Ibra fan boys get ibra drunk

Bergpavian
29 Dec 15, 12:18
:yao:
yes, because my arguments over the last 4 pages have been focused on Sweden exactly how many times? Oh, thats right, 0. Fucking 0. Well done reading.

You didn't talk about Sweden, but it's the same principle.

Once you said that Ibrahimovic never scores in big games. Ibrahimovic scored in derbies, in el Clasico, he scored against Inter, Roma, Milan, Juventus, Bayern, Barcelona, Arsenal, Real, he scored against Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Portugal, he scored in play-off-games, he scored in title determining games, he scored over 40 goals in official games with Sweden, over 40 goals in Champions League etc.

Now it's that he played in too good teams in too bad leagues. You're the Andy Gray of FIF.

.h.
29 Dec 15, 12:52
You didn't talk about Sweden, but it's the same principle.

Once you said that Ibrahimovic never scores in big games. Ibrahimovic scored in derbies, in el Clasico, he scored against Inter, Roma, Milan, Juventus, Bayern, Barcelona, Arsenal, Real, he scored against Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Portugal, he scored in play-off-games, he scored in title determining games, he scored over 40 goals in official games with Sweden, over 40 goals in Champions League etc.

Now it's that he played in too good teams in too bad leagues. You're the Andy Gray of FIF.

Well of course he's scored in those games, the argument isnt that he's literally NEVER scored in those games, I'd fucking hope he has at some point as a striker whose played in some of them for 10+ years.

The point is that he consistently UNDERPERFORMS in those games.

You need to stop taking things *QUITE* so literally. When people say 'pigs can fly', they do mean metaphorically. Same with 'hell freezes over'.


I did the calculation like a year ago, Ibrahimovic's strike rate in CL knock out or later stages is like 1 in 5 games. It's fucking atrocious. Compared to people like Rooney, Messi, Ronaldo, etc, he's *WAY* behind the curve. That's also approximately the same number if you look at his goals in 'big' league matches - i.e. the Milan derby, Derby d'Italia, etc.

Like I said:

1 - Ibrahimovic has systematically avoided the 'big' clubs who were after him in the last 10-12 years (except for one season at Barca). He's consistently NOT competed at the VERY TOP of football.
2 - If you think Inter, Juventus, Milan, and PSG have been *THE ABSOLUTE PINNACLE* of world football while he was at those clubs, you're way wrong. He's been chased by Arsenal (who I dont even rate that much, to be honest, but it would be a substantial improvement on PSG, or Inter at the times in question), Real when Mourinho was there...
3 - The ONE season he had at a TOP LEVEL club, he flopped and was sold for the *biggest one season loss in world football* that I'm aware of

Point 3 is a simple fact. Point 2 is 'pretty much' factual (it's hard to be 100% factually aware of who clubs are chasing, but given the amount of depth in the rumours behind them, I would propose its fair to basically assume that Real and Arsenal were after him at the times in question), and Point 1 is subjective, but I think if I posted that anywhere else other than the Ibrahimovic thread, everyone would agree with me.



I'll repeat Ibra's goalscoring exploits calculations when I get home at the end of this week, and do the same numbers for comparable players. I'd be surprised if you see a similar drop in scoring rate in big matches in players like Messi, Ronaldo, etc.









Here, just a small peek - its easy to pull out of transfermarkt.co.uk

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/zlatan-ibrahimovic/bilanz/spieler/3455

Ibrahimovic vs Milan - 12 games 2 goals
Ibrahimovic vs Juventus - 9 games 1 goal


I'll see if I can easily pull out the CL latter stage match details, cant see an immediate way in transfermarkt yet


Let's contrast that to a real Man:

Diego Milito - 10 games 8 goals vs Milan
8 games 3 goals vs Juve

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Fuck it

Its my holiday and I'll waste it on Ibrahimovic if I want to


(AJAX) 03/04: CL group stages P6 S1
(JUVE) 04/05: CL group stages P6 S2 1st knockout P2 S0 QF P2 S0
(JUVE) 05/06: CL group stages P5 S3 1st knockout P2 S0 QF P2 S0
(INTR) 06/07: CL group stages P5 S1 1st knockout P2 S0
(INTR) 07/08: CL group stages P5 S5 1st knockout P2 S0
(INTR) 08/09: CL group stages P5 S1 1st knockout P2 S0
(BARC) 09/10: CL group stages P5 S1 1st knockout P2 S1 QF P1 S2 SF P2 S0
(MILN) 10/11: CL group stages P6 S4 1st knockout P2 S0
(MILN) 11/12: CL group stages P4 S4 1st knockout P2 S1 QF P2 S0
(PSG) 12/13: CL group stages P6 S2 1st knockout P1 S0 QF P2 S1
(PSG) 13/14: CL group stages P5 S8 1st knockout P2 S2 QF P1 S0
(PSG) 14/15: CL group stages P3 S2 1st knockout P2 S0 2nd knockout P1 S0

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Sum of his 1st knockout performance is:
Played 21 games, scored 4

Quarter finals: Played 11 scored 3

Semi finals: Played 2 scored 0

later stage performance aggregated is : 34 games played 7 goals scored (20.6%)

Group stage performance is:

34 goals in 61 matches (55.7%)

That's a fucking HUGE dive in performance stats.

ScottishInterista
29 Dec 15, 15:47
if i'll say anything, browha certainly has an obsession with him

wicked wizard
29 Dec 15, 15:56
The idea that ibrahimovc has been avoiding big clubs (even tho he's played for big clubs) on purpose is enough to ignore this nonsense.

Handoyo
30 Dec 15, 09:41
Just curious browha

In a hypothetical world, if a player scores countless of goals in big Serie A matches, won 20 Scudetti in 20 seasons scoring 40 Serie A goals every year with his club but 0 goals in CL and neva eva neve eva qualify past the group stage of the CL, neva eva played in the World Cup.

Is he also not considered world class?

.h.
30 Dec 15, 10:24
Just curious browha

In a hypothetical world, if a player scores countless of goals in big Serie A matches, won 20 Scudetti in 20 seasons scoring 40 Serie A goals every year with his club but 0 goals in CL and neva eva neve eva qualify past the group stage of the CL, neva eva played in the World Cup.

Is he also not considered world class?

Pretty much yes, but the question really comes down to context.

How competitive if Serie A at the time? Why do the team keep failing in the CL?
It's simple, for me a world class player is one who performs in the biggest of matches against the toughest of opposition - but in fact, one step further, *RAISES* the standard of the game at that level of competition.

In your example, is Serie A the top league in the world? Or are we where we are now, the 4th/5th best league?
Why do they keep failing in the CL? If you're doing so well in the league, you'd expect to at least show some progress in the CL, or is it like we were under Mancini, incapable of getting past the first round? If so, then yeah, you aint world class.

Feel free to bang in as many goals as you want against small opposition, but you need to be doing it against the biggest teams to be considered a top player, and the point of the champions league is to centralise those top teams and let them play agaainst each other

Devious
30 Dec 15, 12:25
:):thumbsup:

.h.
30 Dec 15, 12:32
Just to add, too

Contrast that to someone like Milito, who for an admittedly brief while was a world class striker - scored in every round of the CL for us, all vital goals, including the brace in the CL. He was a main who raised our quality in the hardest of matches, and didnt disappear in them. When Ibra received the ball in the CL matches against Liverpool, for example, people shrug back a little because they knew jack shit was going to come of it. When Milito received the ball against Chelsea, we all had hope in our hearts, and when he pimped JT and Cech with that goal in the San Siro, thats when every single one of us started to think 'Shit, this might actually happen'. That's a world class player.

Ronin
30 Dec 15, 13:22
Just to add, too

Contrast that to someone like Milito, who for an admittedly brief while was a world class striker - scored in every round of the CL for us, all vital goals, including the brace in the CL. He was a main who raised our quality in the hardest of matches, and didnt disappear in them. When Ibra received the ball in the CL matches against Liverpool, for example, people shrug back a little because they knew jack shit was going to come of it. When Milito received the ball against Chelsea, we all had hope in our hearts, and when he pimped JT and Cech with that goal in the San Siro, thats when every single one of us started to think 'Shit, this might actually happen'. That's a world class player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jTjFEg1kKs

:epicwin:

Wobblz
30 Dec 15, 13:26
Dude made it look so easy and effortless, also played simple, but super smart and neat. Damn, what a team we had. :okay:

.h.
30 Dec 15, 13:28
Exactly. And that moment, for me, sums up our treble best - that was when we actually started to think 'shit, we might be able to do something more than just get knocked out embarrassingly', or 'fuck, this team has something real about it'.

thatdude
30 Dec 15, 13:29
Just to add, too

Contrast that to someone like Milito, who for an admittedly brief while was a world class striker - scored in every round of the CL for us, all vital goals, including the brace in the CL. He was a main who raised our quality in the hardest of matches, and didnt disappear in them. When Ibra received the ball in the CL matches against Liverpool, for example, people shrug back a little because they knew jack shit was going to come of it. When Milito received the ball against Chelsea, we all had hope in our hearts, and when he pimped JT and Cech with that goal in the San Siro, thats when every single one of us started to think 'Shit, this might actually happen'. That's a world class player.


Speak for yourself. I always had excitement everytime Ibrahimovic touched the ball. CL or Serie A.

.h.
30 Dec 15, 13:32
Speak for yourself. I always had excitement everytime Ibrahimovic touched the ball. CL or Serie A.

Nah. For me in the CL it was always an exhale and look forward to trying to get the ball back from them when we inevitably produce nothing

But then, no one ever really accused me of being an optimist (except Devious)

Pimpin
30 Dec 15, 14:49
I think Ibra is world class but I have to agree with browha on this one, while at inter he was dog shit in CHL

.h.
30 Dec 15, 14:58
And after too. Except like a game against arsenal for barca and one game for psg

Devious
30 Dec 15, 18:05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jTjFEg1kKs

:epicwin:

That first goal in Chelsea :proud:

I was watching in that crowded cafeshop all alone at the back, when Milito scored I screamed out loud then there was a sudden pause and every single one in the cafeshop freaked out and looked back at me :lol:

I said sorry Im an Inter fan :alone: they sympathized and cheered for Inter for the rest of the game :proud:

Good old days :cry:

M.Adnan
30 Dec 15, 19:00
I stand on browha's side regarding this Zlatan debate.

Talent-wise, I rate Ibrahimovic up there with best footballers of all time. Career-wise, however, he's one of the most under-performers I've ever seen (with respect to his talent and capabilities). It's just laughable to me that over the years I've had more trust in Cruz in Inter's big games (in all competitions) than Ibrahimovic.

Once again, I think he's a one of the best footballers in history with extremely rare talents, but his career doesn't match his massive potential.

Rimpel
30 Dec 15, 19:00
I'm glad he's in euros this summer even if Sweden won't go far, missed him in the world cup last time around.

Batman
30 Dec 15, 19:13
I stand on browha's side regarding this Zlatan debate.

Talent-wise, I rate Ibrahimovic up there with best footballers of all time. Career-wise, however, he's one of the most under-performers I've ever seen (with respect to his talent and capabilities). It's just laughable to me that over the years I've had more trust in Cruz in Inter's big games (in all competitions) than Ibrahimovic.

Once again, I think he's a one of the best footballers in history with extremely rare talents, but his career doesn't match his massive potential.

This simple cute post sums up the whole Ibra debate.

J..
30 Dec 15, 20:38
Zlatan was as I remember it the top scorer for us in all of his three seasons here but now are people telling me that they did put more faith in Cruz back then? What!? It makes no sense at all. We often played completely uninspired back then and did end up with a great number of points thanks to great individual performances by Zlatan. We do look back at our team as it was one of the greatest in Europe and are now blaming Zlatan for being the reason to why we didn't won the Champions League but that is bullshit as the team for the first two of his seasons was almost nothing without him offensively due defensive tactics and a lack of key-performances by our other offensive players. Zlatan was a keystone and a reason to why we won the scudettos and he was the reason to why we were able to sign and keep the great players we had later on when we won the treble. Would Eto'o, Sneijder, Thiago Motta ect have signed for us in 2009 if we hadn't won the scudettos those years before due to great individual performances in the league especially by Zlatan? I don't think so.

We would have looked at him in a completely other light if we hadn't performed that well in Europe back in 2010. It's like here in Denmark when a few idiots are calling Michael Laudrup for a not so great player for the national team as he could have been simply because he wasn't a part of the 1992 European Championship winning team and therefore "only" was a part of the national teams selections that didn't win anything. Its bullshit.

.h.
30 Dec 15, 22:49
Zlatan was as I remember it the top scorer for us in all of his three seasons here but now are people telling me that they did put more faith in Cruz back then? What!? It makes no sense at all. We often played completely uninspired back then and did end up with a great number of points thanks to great individual performances by Zlatan. We do look back at our team as it was one of the greatest in Europe and are now blaming Zlatan for being the reason to why we didn't won the Champions League but that is bullshit as the team for the first two of his seasons was almost nothing without him offensively due defensive tactics and a lack of key-performances by our other offensive players. Zlatan was a keystone and a reason to why we won the scudettos and he was the reason to why we were able to sign and keep the great players we had later on when we won the treble. Would Eto'o, Sneijder, Thiago Motta ect have signed for us in 2009 if we hadn't won the scudettos those years before due to great individual performances in the league especially by Zlatan? I don't think so.

We would have looked at him in a completely other light if we hadn't performed that well in Europe back in 2010. It's like here in Denmark when a few idiots are calling Michael Laudrup for a not so great player for the national team as he could have been simply because he wasn't a part of the 1992 European Championship winning team and therefore "only" was a part of the national teams selections that didn't win anything. Its bullshit.

He's not wrong. I definitely remember games against Juve, for example, where we bring Cruz on to score goals (and of course, he does).

My opinion of him has nothing to do with how we performed in Europe 2010 - its solely looking at his qualities and his own performances.

I dont blame him for not winning the CL, we had plenty of reasons we didnt win the CL. But I do blame him for not even once showing up for us in a CL latter stage match.



I stand on browha's side regarding this Zlatan debate.

Talent-wise, I rate Ibrahimovic up there with best footballers of all time. Career-wise, however, he's one of the most under-performers I've ever seen (with respect to his talent and capabilities). It's just laughable to me that over the years I've had more trust in Cruz in Inter's big games (in all competitions) than Ibrahimovic.

Once again, I think he's a one of the best footballers in history with extremely rare talents, but his career doesn't match his massive potential.

Thank you, that's very well summed up and very articulate. Nice to have someone else come in at some point and re-state my whole argument in a new light (in a more articulate manner than myself). Sometimes you cant see the wood for the trees.


Let me be clear - Zlatan definitely has all the attributes to be a world class striker. Except the evidence

wicked wizard
31 Dec 15, 01:36
I think you're forgetting football is a team sport and they are 10 other ppl playing on your side. This isn't something like boxing or something that it's only you to blame for not winning the championship. I judge ibrahimovc as a individual, and what he does as a individual is absolutely amazing. So no, am not going to say he's inferior to other players because they have scored some headers in some so called big games.

Hasan
31 Dec 15, 02:41
You need to have primitive Balcan head on your shoulders to completely understand Zlatan, his genius and his game, or actually understand any of genius players from Balcan who under preformed in their careers.

Players like:

1. Blaz Sliskovic who was Zidane's idol together with Enco Francescoli even he played only one year at Marselle. Gambling, smoking and crazy head. Once he didn't want to go play away game because his wife was scared to sleep alone. Fans were crazy about him anywhere he played and he's legend of Velez Mostar and Hajduk Split. Once he came on the game after he spent all night drinking, coach was furious but fans were behind him.

2. Robert Prosinecki will allways be more loved with Balcan fans from Zvone Boban even Zone is bigger name world wide but Robi is the man because he curses, smokes and drinks. He's the boss. Most people on Balcan are crazy about that kinda characters. His talent bougth him shirts of Real and Barca, he was world best u21 player, he was legend in Portsmouth, Dinamo and Red Star but his career was hugely under achieving. Who cares?

3. Dejan Savicevic, he won CL with Red Star and Milan like one of the key players but with that kinda of talent he should take Golden ball easily. Another smoker.

After that kinda talents comes Ibrahimovic who shares their footbal talent but he's a true sportsman. He's real Swedish with his work ethic and professional attitude but ... genes my friends, genes are miracle and Zlatan Ibrahimovic have Balcan brain.

To translate, he's not too smart and it's his luck that he grow up on Swedish streets where he couldn't find beer and rakija, not to mention smokes.

That's a reason why for me he's not under achiever or loser. It was actually a miracle to make such a career considering everything he had to fight.

wicked wizard
31 Dec 15, 09:23
Just read this on football italia.

Raiola shrugged off questions about the Ballon d’Or, insisting it’s “not a real award, otherwise Zlatan Ibrahimovic would’ve won it at least once because he’s been the best striker over the last 10 years. He proved his worth everywhere, while Leo Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo stayed at the same top clubs, supported by champions.”

I agree 100%.

Ronin
31 Dec 15, 11:56
When you realize that Ibra failed to score against Ranocchia yesterday. :awwyeah:


































:troll:

.h.
31 Dec 15, 12:02
lol.





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Mino Raiola doesnt half come out with some shit. He's saying we agreed MONTHS before Calciopoli to sign Ibrahimovic for 85million euros, and because of Calciopoli it dropped to 24.5m eruos

I dont believe it for a second - there was no fucking chance we were going to set a new world record for this guy.

thatdude
31 Dec 15, 12:47
Yeah that's bullshit, not in 2006.

He also said inter don't have a project, they just have Mancini.

.h.
31 Dec 15, 13:12
Also remember before calciopoli moratti was looking to sell inter

JJM
31 Dec 15, 14:32
Also remember before calciopoli moratti was looking to sell inter
That was just a ploy to trick people in to believing that he didn't orchestrate the Calicopoli...right bandiera?!

.h.
31 Dec 15, 14:43
Lol

Javier'sSon
31 Dec 15, 14:57
The debate's gone longer than Ibra's nose.

wera
02 Jan 16, 15:52
Only bad debates don't last long.

wera
23 Jan 16, 15:39
Like we said many times before, this is probably the last season Ibra can do something big in CL. PSG is dominating the French league, Ibra is in full form (16 goals, 6 assists in the league alone), now they just have to perform in CL.

DARi0
02 Feb 16, 09:49
Zlatan #1: he got a RAISE @ P$G - WITHOUT extending his current contract [which runs until june 2016]!!!!!!

from 800.000 Euro /month to 1,5m Euro [brut] which is slightly above 1m Euro NET/month :datass: announces Le Parisien, becoming the best payed player in France [again].

He got this raise in the middle of the season thanks to a bonus clause that applies retro-actively, for the first 6 months of the season 2015-2016 (july-december).

The newspaper also claims that currently, his contract will continue to expire in June 2016.

They also mention that 3 big bonuses have been inserted into his contract:
1) P$G winning UCL
2) P$G winning the league [consider it done]
3) Ibra achieving best total in France with P$G [goals+assists]


[B]No PSG pay rise for Ibrahimovic, insists Raiola
The Sweden striker has not been given a massive raise to take his wages to €1.5 million per month, despite reports from Le Parisien claiming otherwise

Paris Saint-Germain striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic has not been handed a hefty pay rise to make him the best-paid player in France, his agent Mino Raiola has insisted.

A report from Le Parisien claimed the Ligue 1 champions had rewarded the 34-year-old with a €700,000 salary increase last month to take his monthly wage to €1.5 million before taxes.

Yet Ibrahimovic's representative has made it clear the Sweden international's contract has not been improved, stressing there has not been a meeting with the club to negotiate a raise.

"I have never given any figures in the press, but I can tell you that what's been mentioned is entirely wrong," Raiola told L'Equipe.

"We have not touched Zlatan's contract. I did not go to Qatar this winter and Zlatan has never discussed his contracts with his clubs directly during the 12 years we have worked together.

"We met with the PSG hierarchy in Doha last summer and Zlatan did not ask for anything because he is happy with his existing deal."

Ibrahimovic's existing contract is due to expire at the end of the season, but he has yet to make a final decision on his future.

"All I can say is that Zlatan is very happy at PSG, but only Zlatan knows what will happen," Raiola added.

"We have a great relationship with PSG and they know we will make a decision on his future together.

"We will discuss everything with PSG. We will not cause a war for no reason. They have always behaved very well toward Zlatan."


I'm going to believe Le Parisien on this one :D I'm sure P$G want to keep him - at least for 1 more year.

Serie A
02 Feb 16, 12:37
so ibra to inter on a free transfer in june?:brozo:

Glass box
02 Feb 16, 13:24
This year in CL and on Euro 2016 he has the chance to show what he's got for the last time.

skyline1908
02 Feb 16, 14:12
Mancini bulshit tactic with butchers in midfield is only possible with him or aguero in attack. Ill do it by myself attitude.

Rimpel
03 Feb 16, 09:16
We'd win or at the least challenge for the scudetto if we had Ibra this season. Mancini's "tactics" were made for him.

Il Drago
07 Feb 16, 17:05
PSG star next on Shanghai Shenhua’s wish list

The Chinese club are one of many teams in the Asian country to spend in order to bring in the big names from Europe, with Zlatan Ibrahimovic the latest player to attract interest
by Gazzetta World Staff, @GazzettaWorld 07/02/2016, 16:41

It isn’t just Serie A sides losing players to China this season, with Zlatan Ibrahimovic also possibly making the big-money move to the Super League.

Gervinho completed a transfer to Hebei China Fortune this January while Shanghai Shenhua brought in former Inter man Fredy Guarin, and the latter club are hoping to do more business with top European sides.

Ezequiel Lavezzi has already said his goodbyes to Paris Saint-Germain as he looks set to join Shanghai Shenhua, while Ibrahimovic has now been linked with an expensive move to the Hongkou Football Stadium.

As reported by Le Parisien, the Swedish international could be offered a deal worth more than his current contract at PSG of €18 million per season.

His deal with the Paris side ends in June 2016 but he has been linked with other clubs recently, including a surprise return to AC Milan which fell through.

Ibrahimovic has 130 goals in 159 games for PSG and three French Ligue 1 titles to his name since joining them from the Rossoneri in 2012.

Pimpin
07 Feb 16, 17:25
Time for Ibra to shut browha up, proving himself in front of the biggesst football market

Dylan
07 Feb 16, 17:31
It would be a real shame I think if he were to move. I don't see it happening anyway.

Aqla_Gahraf
07 Feb 16, 17:40
Ibra is still a local champ, if you want to win scudetto, bought him, if you want to win UCL, kick him out. i just don't like his manager, Raiola, that big fat bastard.

JJM
20 Feb 16, 22:10
So why he isn't in LGI again...please remind me?!

Dylan
20 Feb 16, 22:10
He was before joining Milan I think.

JJM
20 Feb 16, 22:12
right bbilan...still world class though...sup browha?! :yao:

Bergpavian
20 Feb 16, 22:34
He was before joining Milan I think.

Giuseppe Meazza - left Inter and played for Milan and Juventus
Alessandro Altobelli - left Inter and played for Juventus
Roberto Boninsegna - left Inter and played for Juventus
Luigi Cevenini - left Inter and played for Milan and Juventus
Antonio Angelillo - left Inter and played for Milan

bandiera
20 Feb 16, 23:21
Giuseppe Meazza - left Inter and played for Milan and Juventus
Alessandro Altobelli - left Inter and played for Juventus
Roberto Boninsegna - left Inter and played for Juventus
Luigi Cevenini - left Inter and played for Milan and Juventus
Antonio Angelillo - left Inter and played for Milan

i think ibra and ronaldo should be in LGI, but to be fair, i dont think wearing the milan shirt is why they arent liked. for example, crespo played at milan but he gets a lot of respect. ronaldo and ibrahimovic forced their way out and disrespected us after they left. none of the above forced their way out and none of them disrespected us after they left. (also, when cevenini and meazza played for juve we weren't rivals)

Bergpavian
20 Feb 16, 23:33
i think ibra and ronaldo should be in LGI, but to be fair, i dont think wearing the milan shirt is why they arent liked. none of the above forced their way out and none of them disrespected us after they left. and when cevenini and meazza played for juve we weren't rivals.

the above are also our flagbearers, they gave everything and showed a lot of respect for the jersey when they were here.

I think that makes it even worse.

And did Ronaldo really talk bad about Inter? I can't remember. And I also think he gave everything here, while he achieved nothing at Milan.

For Ibrahimovic: He was the best player here when we won three titles, became capocannonieri and two times best player in black and blue. Should be enough for LGI.

bandiera
20 Feb 16, 23:41
I think that makes it even worse.

And did Ronaldo really talk bad about Inter? I can't remember. And I also think he gave everything here, while he achieved nothing at Milan.

For Ibrahimovic: He was the best player here when we won three titles, became capocannonieri and two times best player in black and blue. Should be enough for LGI.

Ronaldo celebrated his goal like a madman against us. He also left us for Real Madrid in a dishonest way. I can understand his decisions, but I can also understand why a lot of fans don't want to recognize him.

Just to be clear, I think both of them should be in LGI. It depends on the criteria for LGI, which isn't fixed at all. I agree respect/effort matters alongside achievement/quality, but when it comes to a few players it's irrelevant considering what they achieved here. Bottom line is that Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic are two of the greatest players to have worn our jersey. Ibrahimovic also won us those titles post-calciopoli. If it was up to me, Lucio and Vieri would also be in LGI. It seems so spiteful to keep them out. It is a popularity contest though so none of this will probably happen.

Dylan
21 Feb 16, 00:59
We had a poll on whether to move Ibra at the time I think.

Pimpin
09 Mar 16, 21:34
world class anyone?

n4l
09 Mar 16, 21:41
come on man...:lol:

Glass box
09 Mar 16, 21:41
Poll is clear on that question but a never ending debate is always welcumed.

Candreva Crosses
09 Mar 16, 21:58
Only world class? C'mon...

wicked wizard
09 Mar 16, 22:15
Where's browha anyway? Is he still searching the Internet for some obscure stat to try prove he's not world class?

Provenzano
10 Mar 16, 07:03
He is on 34, but plays like 10 years ago. He is moving very correct on the pitch and never stop wrestled. Also he opens many free spaces for his teammates and is generally very useful.

Adriano@10
10 Mar 16, 09:40
I feel like he finally understood that he cant win the cl by himselfe! He seems to be much more of a team player at psg then he ever was bevore! Which makes him an even better and more complete player!

Anyways i m not a big fan but simply from a skill level he d defenatly deserve to win the cl trophy once.

DARi0
10 Mar 16, 10:27
^^ yepp!

Ibra #1 told you so many times before...

I <secretly> hope he somehow wins UCL with P$G this season :))

Candreva Crosses
10 Mar 16, 18:50
He is on 34, but plays like 10 years ago. He is moving very correct on the pitch and never stop wrestled. Also he opens many free spaces for his teammates and is generally very useful.

That's why he Zlatan compares himself to wine. He is still learning and becoming a better player. But I think him dropping down to get the ball and controll the ball possession wont work against big teams like Barcelona and Bayern. He will be needed up top to make the most damage.

Inter2010
11 Mar 16, 02:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=74t9YOof7dA

Zlatan.... interviewing unsuspecting job hunter

DARi0
11 Mar 16, 10:07
Milan: CL for Ibra?
By Football Italia staff @ Wednesday February 24 2016

The Swedish striker’s contract with the French champions expires at the end of the season and he looks likely to be heading for the exit.

Corriere dello Sport reports today that Rossoneri owner Silvio Berlusconi believes Zlatan can make the difference on the pitch and is ready to launch a new bid for him.

The club attempted to lure the Sweden international back to San Siro last summer unsuccessfully.
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Ibra: 'My wife wants Milan'
By Football Italia staff @ Friday March 11 2016

Paris Saint-Germain's Zlatan Ibrahimovic is touted for a move back to Milan, reportedly egged on by his wife.

The Swedish giant was expected not to return to the Rossoneri unless they managed to get Champions League qualification.

However, the Corriere dello Sport reports that Ibrahimovic is now taking the idea of a return much more seriously as he is being pressed in that direction by his family.

His wife is believed to desire a return to the Italian city, and the player himself is reported as delegating the decision to her.

“My family will decide,” said the 34-year-old about his future.

---------------------------------------------


“[Paris Saint-Germain's Zlatan] Ibrahimovic? In spite of his age he is still decisive. If I were in PSG's shoes, I'd keep him. No, I don't have his telephone number!

“I think it's unlikely that he'll come to Inter, but it depends on what we plan to do.” - Mancini.

Mancini obviously plans to drop that ca$h on Yaya`s HUGE... wage. I thought he will ask for another forward...

.h.
11 Mar 16, 11:02
I'd love to get Ibra back here. Financially is going to be difficult, but if we could get him here it'd be great. Imagine him + Icardi...

Pimpin
11 Mar 16, 12:49
I'd love to get Ibra back here. Financially is going to be difficult, but if we could get him here it'd be great. Imagine him + Icardi...

2 worldclass strikers :awyeah:

b4h4mooth
11 Mar 16, 13:07
I hope Bilan wont sign zlatan, he has better scudetto chance with Inter than in merda team :lol:

Candreva Crosses
11 Mar 16, 17:07
I'd love to get Ibra back here. Financially is going to be difficult, but if we could get him here it'd be great. Imagine him + Icardi...

He'd yell at Icardi for not running enough :awyeah:

KevinB
11 Mar 16, 17:14
Same, I'd welcome him back. We need a leader and someone who can upgrade the team immediately. Him and Robben are like wine, they get better, the older they are.

Mancio, grab that phone!

TheNetworkZ
11 Mar 16, 18:38
I feel like Ibra is such a Thohir buy. If he really does want to come back to the city than I can see us pushing for him, which I hope we do.

Dylan
11 Mar 16, 18:57
How would Icardi-Ibra work out though?

TheNetworkZ
11 Mar 16, 19:40
How would Icardi-Ibra work out though?

I was very close to replying with a cringey post explaining the work out routine they'd do, follow by a very unfunny quote calling it a bro-split.

I made a good save this time.

Candreva Crosses
11 Mar 16, 19:54
Same, I'd welcome him back. We need a leader and someone who can upgrade the team immediately. Him and Robben are like wine, they get better, the older they are.

Mancio, grab that phone!

Robben? :serious: You make the wine feel bad.

Dylan
11 Mar 16, 20:24
I was very close to replying with a cringey post explaining the work out routine they'd do, follow by a very unfunny quote calling it a bro-split.

I made a good save this time.

Probably for the best. If you did, I would think you aren't cool.

Inter2010
11 Mar 16, 21:40
Imagine Ibra + Mancio... a couple made in heaven

Wings
12 Mar 16, 05:04
How would Icardi-Ibra work out though?

One would probably end up hitting the other.

Javier'sSon
12 Mar 16, 08:20
One would probably end up hitting the other.

"You're wife is uglier"

"No, yours is".

Rimpel
12 Mar 16, 16:56
We need CL if we're going to have a shot at signing him.

JJM
12 Mar 16, 17:01
"You're wife is uglier"

"No, yours is".
Hahaha true

vasilios
12 Mar 16, 18:03
Ibra: 'My wife wants Milan'

By 'wife', I assume that means Maxwell.

Dylan
13 Mar 16, 16:21
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10464319_1147078601978206_3204648418818201613_n.jp g?oh=c681a07627f055776b0432c705dc6cdc&oe=574A3EAB&__gda__=1464578299_11b4f124e3b2b051bd7c660f07365d0 3

wera
13 Mar 16, 17:06
Robben? :serious: You make the wine feel bad.

Robben is amazing even this year, what are you on about

He just isn't the main player at Bayern anyymore, it's Thiago Alcantara

Kova10
13 Mar 16, 19:30
Robben is amazing even this year, what are you on about

He just isn't the main player at Bayern anyymore, it's Thiago Alcantara

you are right about robben, but thiago is not their thriving player this year, even if he has shown a great game yesterday.
the main main core is doubtlessly built by müller, lahm, boateng, alaba and neuer. also very important are lewa, costa, robben and to a lesser extent coman, vidal, and in the current form kimmich. no question that if thiago remains consistent now, he will be one for the starting 11

anyway back on topic, if psg manage to win the cl and ibra bags some important goals towards the last rounds, he should be the hottest candidate for ballon dor next year.

Candreva Crosses
13 Mar 16, 19:33
Robben is amazing even this year, what are you on about

He just isn't the main player at Bayern anyymore, it's Thiago Alcantara

Doubt the same level as Ibrahimovic or even grown as Ibrahimovic(34 years old if I have to remind you) has done, are you joking with me?

IRR26
13 Mar 16, 20:19
Ibra: 'I'm done with PSG'
By Football Italia staff

Zlatan Ibrahimovic says he won't be at Paris Saint-Germain next season, opening the doors for a Milan swoop.

The Swedish giant is largely considered to be an unlikely target for the Rossoneri, but it seems a return to Serie A is not impossible.

On from reports that Ibrahimovic's wife was pushing him to return to Milan, Get French Football News are now bouncing claims by the player himself that he will leave the French team.

"For the moment I will not be at PSG next season,” the 34-year-old allegedly told BeIN Sports. “I still have a month and a half here."



PSG just got promoted to favourite for winning CL next season. :lol:

Batman
13 Mar 16, 20:55
BeinSport's owner is PSG's owner, if his team wins CL this season, he'll make BeinSport available for everyone for 6 months.


Forza PSG.

JJM
13 Mar 16, 21:32
Back to Bbilan?!

wera
13 Mar 16, 21:35
Doubt the same level as Ibrahimovic or even grown as Ibrahimovic(34 years old if I have to remind you) has done, are you joking with me?

I disagree with that statement, they are equally great in my eyes. Also both got a lot of flack for being underperformers at first, and got good enough after 2009 for people to stop shitting so much on them.

Aurel
13 Mar 16, 22:07
Zlatan is hilarious:

https://twitter.com/ChampionsLeague/status/709100581290450946?lang=de

for anyone to lazy to click the link, the tweet says this:

Zlatan: "If they can replace the Eiffel Tower with a statue of myself then I will stay [at Paris], I promise!" #UCL

Sassuolu
13 Mar 16, 22:43
Would love to see him in the EPL.

JJM
13 Mar 16, 23:11
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/binary/50.$plit/C_29_fotogallery_1013198__ImageGallery__imageGalle ryItem_3_image.jpg
hm...

Pimpin
13 Mar 16, 23:28
id visit paris to see that, even if they had terorist attacks every day

JJM
13 Mar 16, 23:32
id visit paris to see that, even if they had terorist attacks every day

too far...way too far

Pimpin
13 Mar 16, 23:43
too far...way too far

ok ill back up a few inches

TheNetworkZ
14 Mar 16, 00:06
BeinSport's owner is PSG's owner, if his team wins CL this season, he'll make BeinSport available for everyone for 6 months.


Forza PSG.

They better win it now

Candreva Crosses
14 Mar 16, 00:17
I disagree with that statement, they are equally great in my eyes. Also both got a lot of flack for being underperformers at first, and got good enough after 2009 for people to stop shitting so much on them.

Then agree to disagree. For me there is no way Robben is on the same level or have as Ibra become better the last 2 years.

Don't get me wrong, I think Robben is good too.

thatdude
14 Mar 16, 00:35
I hope he wins the CL this year. It's really the last hurrah for him Maxwell and Motta IMO. Could also argue Thiago Silva is getting up there too, never know when a player will slow down.

Pharaoh
14 Mar 16, 04:59
If he plays the way he did against Chelsea, they got a shot. But I'm still skeptical of their defense against the likes of Bayern & Barca.

Ronin
14 Mar 16, 09:51
It'll all depend on who their opposition will be. If they get Barca they'll be screwed.

thatdude
14 Mar 16, 13:41
If he plays the way he did against Chelsea, they got a shot. But I'm still skeptical of their defense against the likes of Bayern & Barca.

Very true, David Luiz is always lurking.

Lyran
15 Mar 16, 23:40
Nr.2 of Zlatan trolling people

Poor guy just wanted a picture with Zlatan, denied...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5POfbSSk8w

kameru
16 Mar 16, 00:49
dafuq is he thinking? world class striker? :yao:

Kenny
16 Mar 16, 05:06
Zlatan don't fold for anyone :lol:
hahahaha

thatdude
16 Mar 16, 18:28
"I play football, you ride a bike. Go, ride hard!"

:lol:

Bergkamp
28 Mar 16, 19:58
Another Zlatan gem:

Ibrahimovic said: "For the moment, I will not be at PSG next season. I still have a month and a half left here.

"If they replace the Eiffel Tower with a statue of me, then I will stay."

AndyRamone
29 Mar 16, 00:39
...let's see where's gonna be the end from this superstar:yao2:

Candreva Crosses
29 Mar 16, 18:49
Accordingly to Zlatan they are now deciding weither the Zlatan Tower should be taller than the Eiffel.

Inter2010
30 Mar 16, 10:49
Zlatan Ibrahimovic.... considering retirement... fuck that pls come back to Inter... you and mancini are made for each other

JJM
30 Mar 16, 23:08
Raiola reveals that Inter,Bbilan and Napole all are after Ibra :work:

Batman
30 Mar 16, 23:35
He'll surely go to Milan if these are the only choices.

Provenzano
31 Mar 16, 06:35
Icardi and Ibrahimovic will be atomic attack...

Jerry
31 Mar 16, 08:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On100ZtKa_E

Repeatedly posting this video to this thread accounts for 45% of my activity on FIF.

DARi0
31 Mar 16, 09:30
By 'wife', I assume that means Maxwell.

Well not this time, it seems that Maxwell has a contract until 2017 with P$G - even though Raiola is also his agent. :pazzini:


Thursday March 31 2016
Raiola: ‘Ibra offers everywhere’
By Football Italia staff

The agent of PSG’s Zlatan Ibrahimovic says ‘he has offers from every continent’ including ‘all the big clubs in Italy’.

The former Milan forward’s contract in France is due to expire in June and speculation has been rife about his future, with a return to the Rossoneri touted as a possibility.

Agent Mino Raiola described the Swede as ‘superhuman’ and revealed Milan, Inter and Napoli interest as well as offers from China and the Premier League.

“Ibra? With the physicality and head that he has, I’ve told him that he can play for another five years,” Raiola said to Gazzetta dello Sport.

“He has incredible energy, which improves over time. And when he can, he goes on extreme hunting trips. He’s superhuman, in the sense that he does things that humans can’t even imagine.

“Do I have an idea in mind? It’ll be a special choice.

“€70m from China? I can’t say the figure, but it’s very big. I have in my hand offers from every continent. There will be a clear picture soon though.

“Now I’ll go on holiday for three weeks. I imagine that on my return more pieces of the puzzle will be in place – not only for Ibra.

“PSG? They’re doing everything to convince him to stay. Paris remains an option.

“Premier League? With the exception of Manchester City, where there’s Guardiola, all the big clubs have knocked on the door.

“In Italy? Everyone, no exceptions. Even Napoli, but there they’re only good for making films.

“Inter have also come forward, but the plans of Thohir aren’t clear.

“Milan? Well, over there they’re better at selling films. Jokes apart, I think that three or four reinforcements would be enough to make the Rossoneri squad competitive.”


- we still have to make it for the 3rd spot in order to even think of such thing... But I doubt the club can afford his salary or willing to meet his demands.


The environment has changed in Paris. I don’t know if they’re ready to spend €90m – the price of oil has fallen and the emir is keeping more in his pocket.

“Also for this reason he’s insisting on keeping Ibra.

“Cavani? I repeat, in they could decide to keep the ‘Matador’ as well. And then let’s not overlook the fact that Nasser Al-Khelaifi hasn’t forgotten the Coman deal yet. So before giving Cavani to Juve…”

gcXCg0u6O7Q

:strong: Zlatan is not done yet. That's why P$G are trying to keep him. Highest "bidder" wins IMO.

Shaun
31 Mar 16, 10:21
Icardi and Ibrahimovic will be atomic attack...

What, with Icardi out on the wing? Sell Icardi and buy some players to support Big Z

.h.
31 Mar 16, 10:48
I cant see why he'd go to a non CL club at the moment, tbh

thatdude
31 Mar 16, 12:21
I don't see why he would leave PSG unless it was for MLS or something

Ronin
31 Mar 16, 12:34
I doubt he'll go to MLS or anywhere similar. He said that he wants to retire while on top. If anything he could go to EPL. That's the only place he hasn't conquered yet

thatdude
31 Mar 16, 12:47
He said he was interested in the MLS earlier this year

AndyRamone
31 Mar 16, 22:30
mother fucker...

Candreva Crosses
02 Apr 16, 00:56
I doubt he'll go to MLS or anywhere similar. He said that he wants to retire while on top. If anything he could go to EPL. That's the only place he hasn't conquered yet

I doubt what he say matters. Money matters. If China wants him then they'll get him. Offer him a 150m euro a year and he'll never look back.

AndyRamone
02 Apr 16, 20:58
,,,Who want's this motherfucker back here?????..... please... WHO?????????????????.. and WHY???????????????????:troll:

Serie A
04 Apr 16, 18:45
wasnt he offered like 75 million a season to play in china?

KevinB
04 Apr 16, 19:55
,,,Who want's this motherfucker back here?????..... please... WHO?????????????????.. and WHY???????????????????:troll:

I'd welcome him back. Unless the usual shit we get, he can deliver. He certainly isn't on a decline and would be worth it.

Candreva Crosses
04 Apr 16, 20:09
,,,Who want's this motherfucker back here?????..... please... WHO?????????????????.. and WHY???????????????????:troll:

I hope that was a joke.

A.l.i
05 Apr 16, 08:20
I'd take him back with open arms even if it means sacrificing Icardi + Miranda.

Candreva Crosses
05 Apr 16, 14:14
I'd take him back with open arms even if it means sacrificing Icardi + Miranda.

Sacrifice AndyRamone too while you're at it.

Javier'sSon
05 Apr 16, 19:03
Brazilian defender Thiago Silva has recalled an incident at AC Milan when Zlatan Ibrahimovic threw Italian legend Genarro Gattuso into a bin in the dressing room.

The trio played together for the Rossoneri in 2011 and helped Milan to the Serie A title, before Thiago and Ibrahimovic made big-money moves to Paris Saint-Germain the following year.

Gattuso, widely known as one of Italy's toughest midfielders of his generation was one of the veterans of that Milan team, but was put in his place by the Swedish star during one of their training sessions.

"The protagonist of this story is Zlatan Ibrahimovic," Brazil international Silva told Sky Deutschland.

"One day, during a training session, Gattuso spent all morning teasing Zlatan. He was provoking him, and Zlatan took it without apparently saying anything. In fact his revenge would come soon after.

"Rino [Gattuso] and Zlatan met again in the dressing room after training, and Ibra lifted the entire weight of his teammate, flipped him over and threw him in the bin!

"It was crazy, we all started laughing thinking about Gattuso's face. I swear, I couldn't stop laughing for a week!"

Ibrahimovic has since added four French Ligue 1 titles to his impressive medal haul, scoring more than 100 goals for PSG while Gattuso is now head coach at Italian third-tier side Pisa.

As if you needed more reasons to like him.

.h.
06 Apr 16, 14:35
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35979716


this is fucking excellent

Bergpavian
06 Apr 16, 20:16
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35979716


this is fucking excellent

Wrong thread but also gold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDKt2GgyUbI

Candreva Crosses
06 Apr 16, 20:39
Thought browha would come here and comment on Zlatan's failure game today but I guess browha like me don't look at City as a top team(they are completely shit) therefor Zlatan not scoring against topteams-argument wouldn't work here.

Ronin
06 Apr 16, 20:43
I was a bit worried to be honest cause I thought he ate something before the game and was choking on it. Nope, turns out it's just the game choking him.

Pimpin
06 Apr 16, 21:01
he choked on Browhas dick

.h.
06 Apr 16, 21:14
i didnt watch the game, was he mediocre? i hear his goal was beyond ridiculous, what was he like otherwise?

Ronin
06 Apr 16, 21:17
He missed the penalty and a one on one early in the match. Also he was offside on PSGs 2nd goal, he interfered with the play slightly before the ball got to Rabiot but it wasn't called offside.

.h.
06 Apr 16, 21:18
to be honest

i derive no pleasure from being right about ibrahimovic. It just makes me sad that y'all think its all so funny until feb/march time where he inevitably flops again and all of a sudden its all :yao:


Plus, theres no need to rub it in. My default state of assumption is that he's a motherfucking flop in a big game. If it was Milito, or Zanetti, who flopped, then I'd be interested to hear about that shit because that shit is newsworthy.

Its like why gun deaths dont make the news in the US anymore. Not newsworthy.

Dylan
06 Apr 16, 22:19
Scored in his last 5 CL games now.

ADRossi
06 Apr 16, 23:38
Scored in his last 5 CL games now.

Not impressive. He should have scored at least ten with eight assists while keeping 3 clean sheets and saving a Messi penalty, with his tongue.

Ed.
06 Apr 16, 23:51
Not impressive. He should have scored at least ten with eight assists while keeping 3 clean sheets and saving a Messi penalty, with his nose.

fixed.

Inter2010
06 Apr 16, 23:56
Ibrahimovic... he had a off day... so what messi does too, that don't make him less of a champion

.h.
07 Apr 16, 05:54
Ibrahimovic... he had a off day... so what messi does too, that don't make him less of a champion

seems like h e has a lot of those when it matters

A.l.i
07 Apr 16, 06:09
Scored a goal on an off day. All that matters for a striker.

.h.
07 Apr 16, 06:14
i wonder how people would react if icardi missed a penalty, scored a dodgy goal, and we drew the match

i guess not like this

Wallace
07 Apr 16, 06:30
Not if Icardi is scoring 39 goals in 42 games.

Oh, and 14 assists.

.h.
07 Apr 16, 06:31
he probably could if he played for psg.

Wallace
07 Apr 16, 06:32
We'll talk when he does do it, not if he does do it.

.h.
07 Apr 16, 09:45
Juve (and possibly Ibra) doping

http://www.football-italia.net/82452/ibra-accused-juve-doping


I didnt realise Juve had a doctor who had been convicted for 22 months (presumably for doping)... that shit should just not be allowed

Shaun
07 Apr 16, 10:01
I can't think of any good reason why any top team wouldn't be doping their players. National leagues, FIFA, and UEFA only do piss tests before games mostly. Not much chance of catching any players with that unless they were doping the day of the game

.h.
07 Apr 16, 10:22
tbh, I dont think its anywhere near as prevalent as you suspect. I dont think it helps THAT much in football - dont get me wrong, steroids and things can do for bulking up as that example there, or some EPO for longer performance, but its not like the difference between a mediocre cyclist and Lance Armstrong which can just be a fuckload of doping. No one is ever gonna be Messi or Ronaldo or Ibra because of some drugs

Shaun
07 Apr 16, 10:27
The HGH that Messi took as a teenager might have been the difference between him being Giovinco's size and his current size which I think would make a massive difference. I think the reason no players ever seem to get caught is that the authorities don't want to catch anyone. I know guys I compete against at jiu jitsu tournaments that mean nothing are juicing, it would be ridiculous if most footballers at the top levels aren't. I also think you underestimate how much difference a lot of things can make when it comes to recovery from matches and injuries.

.h.
07 Apr 16, 10:37
Well, this is true re: Messi's HGH, but at the same time it was prescribed for medical reasons

I still think that, whilst sure, there is probably doping in football and it doesnt seem to get caught, it isnt as prolific as other more purely-physical sports/activities

Adriano@10
07 Apr 16, 11:37
So what about when mutu got tested positive for cocain in England and in Italy?
I mean they found out in a random drug test so there must be some kind of control, I mean Mutu would have to bee extremly unlucky to get caught twice if those tests are that rare.

So i really dont think doping is that wide spread in football ofcourse there is doping like in any other top sports but i dont think it s a massive thing. It also has to be said that if they dope they probably are smart enough to dope with some new substances that are hard to trace or that might not even be on a doping list yet.

Ofcourse it could also be that the doping is so wide spread that the FA s rather keep quiet about it then take the huge reputational hit which they obviously would get.

.h.
07 Apr 16, 11:44
tbf I would say Mutu was a bit exceptional. I mean hes not wrong in many ways when was the last time the Premiership, Serie A, or La Liga had a player caught doping? I'm sure it DOES happen, just not as prolifically as Shaun expects.

I think the recent doping thing in the UK is interesting - the claim that Cech among other players may have been doping - if it pans out to be true it could be interesting to see how much of a lid this blows open

Ronin
07 Apr 16, 11:52
If done right, it probably is pretty hard to detect doping just from basic & simple tests.

JJM
07 Apr 16, 12:07
More controversy surrounding Rube.

What a shocker...just unbelievable

Probably MM's fault,poor Rube are always the victims

.h.
07 Apr 16, 12:21
:bandiera:

bandiera
07 Apr 16, 14:43
except my argument wasn't that juve were victims because it's our fault they were "caught", it's that juve are not the only guilty party. it sidesteps the discussion from italian football to juve, and even then, to moggi. thats also relevant to matchfixing, not doping.

also, just to vindicate the claims that were made, i think dybala has put on an extraordinary amount of muscle in a few months at juve.

and browha, your argument is that football isnt only a physical sport so doping isnt as widespread as shaun claims. i dont see how thats relevant. football has a massive physical element and there is a massive tangible benefit to having more strength, increased recovery, higher endurance, higher concentration. there is no reason forfootball clubs not to be pursuing PEDs or blood doping. the tests are also laughable.

Javier'sSon
07 Apr 16, 14:54
and browha, your argument is that football isnt only a physical sport so doping isnt as widespread as shaun claims. i dont see how thats relevant. football has a massive physical element and there is a massive tangible benefit to having more strength, increased recovery, higher stamina. there is no reason forfootball clubs not to be pursuing PEDs or blood doping. the tests are laughable.

It is relevant in my opinion. Notice how the frame of footballers differ from basketball or NFL players where both of those sports rely on the attributes you mentioned? Football requires pace from almost all outfield players and here's where I believe browha's argument comes in, you could argue that doping could be counterproductive because of the impact mass/muscles could have on endurance/pace. I'm no medic, but that sounds plausible to me, unless there's a drug that enhances both aspects?

bandiera
07 Apr 16, 14:58
It is relevant in my opinion. Notice how the frame of footballers differ from basketball or NFL players where both of those sports rely on the attributes you mentioned? Football requires pace from almost all outfield players and here's I believe where browha's argument comes, you could argue that doping could be counterproductive because of the impact mass/muscles could have on endurance/pace. I'm no medic, but that sounds plausible to me, unless there's a drug that enhances both aspects?

you're only talking about strength (steroids). you ignored endurance and recovery. those two are 100% relevant to football.

football does not "require" pace. and even so its also about the extent of steroid use and increased muscle mass. you might get slower but that doesnt necessarily mean you will be slow. just to add, putting on a lot of muscle too quickly can also potentially lead to recovery issues too. h/w, examples of players putting on a lot of muscle and not being unreasonably slow or having recovery issues contradicts your argument. after all, you're ignoring the very claims we're talking about. a swedish doctor claiming ibra and ekdal put on a ridiculous amount of muscle after joining juve. did ibra lack agility, flexibility, speed after joining juve?

Shaun
07 Apr 16, 15:05
So what about when mutu got tested positive for cocain in England and in Italy?
I mean they found out in a random drug test so there must be some kind of control, I mean Mutu would have to bee extremly unlucky to get caught twice if those tests are that rare.

So i really dont think doping is that wide spread in football ofcourse there is doping like in any other top sports but i dont think it s a massive thing. It also has to be said that if they dope they probably are smart enough to dope with some new substances that are hard to trace or that might not even be on a doping list yet.

Ofcourse it could also be that the doping is so wide spread that the FA s rather keep quiet about it then take the huge reputational hit which they obviously would get.

Mutu tested positive from post-game tests. Not random tests. Clearly he had a problem with cocaine and didn't take it "intelligently". Whereas with PEDs I'm sure players are told by their doctors when to take and not taken them. Not to mention there is a massive difference in how long cocaine stays in a person's system if they're snorting an entire line or more, comparing that with how long HGH, EPO, or testosterone stay in a player's system if they're micro-dosing in order to not be 'glowing' during game time.

Drug tests, especially piss tests are nothing more than intelligence tests. The only reason a player might get caught is if he forgot what day the game was on or accidentally took twice the amount he was supposed to,

.h.
07 Apr 16, 15:41
except my argument wasn't that juve were victims because it's our fault they were "caught", it's that juve are not the only guilty party. it sidesteps the discussion from italian football to juve, and even then, to moggi. thats also relevant to matchfixing, not doping.

also, just to vindicate the claims that were made, i think dybala has put on an extraordinary amount of muscle in a few months at juve.

and browha, your argument is that football isnt only a physical sport so doping isnt as widespread as shaun claims. i dont see how thats relevant. football has a massive physical element and there is a massive tangible benefit to having more strength, increased recovery, higher endurance, higher concentration. there is no reason forfootball clubs not to be pursuing PEDs or blood doping. the tests are also laughable.

Wow, someone took a joke quite seriously.

JJM
07 Apr 16, 15:46
No this is more bandiera style...

Allodi taught Moggi how to "dope" players...therefore it is Inter's fault that Rube are labeled cheaters...because a former Inter official passed it on to his student.

It's all Inter's fault,send us to Serie Z, Rube are just innocent bystanders in all of it

bandiera
07 Apr 16, 15:59
No this is more bandiera style...

Allodi taught Moggi how to "dope" players...therefore it is Inter's fault that Rube are labeled cheaters...because a former Inter official passed it on to his student.

It's all Inter's fault,send us to Serie Z, Rube are just innocent bystanders in all of it

because thats exactly what i said. its not like you just made a bunch of shit up using the same people i talked about to back up your bias. oh wait.

AndyRamone
07 Apr 16, 23:56
I'd welcome him back. Unless the usual shit we get, he can deliver. He certainly isn't on a decline and would be worth it.

After as he went away?...

Not on decline?..

How many champions he won after leaving us?.. or everywhere?:D

Sorry dude, this guy was ok at that days in this moments(macini and we knows where and when)... INTER doesn't deserves some pieces of shit like him again and again...

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I hope that was a joke.

no

KevinB
08 Apr 16, 01:06
After as he went away?...

Not on decline?..

How many champions he won after leaving us?.. or everywhere?:D

Sorry dude, this guy was ok at that days in this moments(macini and we knows where and when)... INTER doesn't deserves some pieces of shit like him again and again...

He won 17 prices after he left us. Just recently won the Ligue 1 again. We won 6 prices after he left (including C.L which means more than all Zlatan's prices) But anyway the grades are there. He has scored over 30 goals this season alone, how is he on a decline?

If you say that Inter doesn't deserve "pieces like shit" like Zlatan, then you should be happy in the constant mediocricy we're going to get. I'm sick of the Vidic, Jonathan, Guarin, Kuz, Schelotto, Naga, Medel, Melo, Éder, ... And sick of the idiotic rumours of Lavezzi, Touré and other fuckers that aren't performing on good level anymore (Touré is debatable).

Yeah, Zlatan left with doors slamming. We got better off it on short term. Yes, he is an asshole. But rather an asshole that brings us closer to C.L than a whiner on a decline who hasn't recieved his birthday cake.

I think even the most Zlatan haters on here would prefer Zlatan over Yaya Touré.

Adriano@10
08 Apr 16, 01:24
Mutu tested positive from post-game tests. Not random tests. Clearly he had a problem with cocaine and didn't take it "intelligently". Whereas with PEDs I'm sure players are told by their doctors when to take and not taken them. Not to mention there is a massive difference in how long cocaine stays in a person's system if they're snorting an entire line or more, comparing that with how long HGH, EPO, or testosterone stay in a player's system if they're micro-dosing in order to not be 'glowing' during game time.

Drug tests, especially piss tests are nothing more than intelligence tests. The only reason a player might get caught is if he forgot what day the game was on or accidentally took twice the amount he was supposed to,

Not that i disagree with you but that argument could be used for every sport! Unless there are tests every three days one can allways get away with doping if done smart. Also i just wanted to illustratet that there are drug tests and that if caught punishments are given.

Imho it all comes down to what would happen to a club if he gets caught doping his players. I mean i doubt you d take the risk if the punishment is demotion! So imho unless you belive that the whole system is corrupted meaning the leagues know about doping but don t do shit about it, i highly doubt that there is doping on a big scale in football.

Not saying that there are not some players/clubs who use it, but i just don think it s that widspresd as some make it out to be.

Candreva Crosses
08 Apr 16, 02:12
After as he went away?...

Not on decline?..

How many champions he won after leaving us?.. or everywhere?:D

Sorry dude, this guy was ok at that days in this moments(macini and we knows where and when)... INTER doesn't deserves some pieces of shit like him again and again...

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no

You were not joking? Damn.

Inter2010
08 Apr 16, 03:31
Ibrahimovic... to sue coach over doping claim... mama miaaa

www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/07/zlatan-ibrahimovic-sue-swedish-doctor-crazy-doping-claim-agent

D-Sky
08 Apr 16, 08:51
Im not Zlatan fan, but YES I prefer Zlatan to join us than Yaya Toure,,,

Inter2010
08 Apr 16, 09:24
he's a prick... but he's is a great player to have nethertheless

Universe
08 Apr 16, 16:31
Only just caught up on the most recent champions league match day and watched highlights of each match. Firstly, lol @ RM, though I wouldn't be surprised to see them win by a big scoreline in the 2nd leg. Anyway, I saw Ibra's penalty miss, his craptacular goal and some other missed chances against Man City. Browha must've had a field day.

AndyRamone
08 Apr 16, 23:58
He won 17 prices after he left us. Just recently won the Ligue 1 again. We won 6 prices after he left (including C.L which means more than all Zlatan's prices) But anyway the grades are there. He has scored over 30 goals this season alone, how is he on a decline?

If you say that Inter doesn't deserve "pieces like shit" like Zlatan, then you should be happy in the constant mediocricy we're going to get. I'm sick of the Vidic, Jonathan, Guarin, Kuz, Schelotto, Naga, Medel, Melo, Éder, ... And sick of the idiotic rumours of Lavezzi, Touré and other fuckers that aren't performing on good level anymore (Touré is debatable).

Yeah, Zlatan left with doors slamming. We got better off it on short term. Yes, he is an asshole. But rather an asshole that brings us closer to C.L than a whiner on a decline who hasn't recieved his birthday cake.

I think even the most Zlatan haters on here would prefer Zlatan over Yaya Touré.

Yor are talking from the GOD IBRA in the FRENCH LEAGUE... and you want to add also YAYA the dead ??:D

With these 2 zombies our situation will not change that much als today man... we needs somes new players and not old "heroes" that wouldn't be able to change our shit situation right now ... maybe I'm wrong, it's just my opinion ;)

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You were not joking? Damn.

Damn :silence:

Batman
09 Apr 16, 00:33
He won 17 prices after he left us. Just recently won the Ligue 1 again. We won 6 prices after he left (including C.L which means more than all Zlatan's prices) But anyway the grades are there. He has scored over 30 goals this season alone, how is he on a decline?

If you say that Inter doesn't deserve "pieces like shit" like Zlatan, then you should be happy in the constant mediocricy we're going to get. I'm sick of the Vidic, Jonathan, Guarin, Kuz, Schelotto, Naga, Medel, Melo, Éder, ... And sick of the idiotic rumours of Lavezzi, Touré and other fuckers that aren't performing on good level anymore (Touré is debatable).

Yeah, Zlatan left with doors slamming. We got better off it on short term. Yes, he is an asshole. But rather an asshole that brings us closer to C.L than a whiner on a decline who hasn't recieved his birthday cake.

I think even the most Zlatan haters on here would prefer Zlatan over Yaya Touré.

Agreed. But I just want to point out that imo its unfair to list Eder there just yet.

bandiera
09 Apr 16, 02:22
Yor are talking from the GOD IBRA in the FRENCH LEAGUE... and you want to add also YAYA the dead ??:D

With these 2 zombies our situation will not change that much als today man... we needs somes new players and not old "heroes" that wouldn't be able to change our shit situation right now ... maybe I'm wrong, it's just my opinion ;)

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Damn :silence:

L1 not being a competitive league isnt evidence of anything but that. it does not prove ibra is finished or that he would not improve our squad, or that he has been declining for many years. ibra is still playing at a top, top level. if you deny that ibra has been a beast post-2009, bar a season at barca and injuries last season, then you're just denying reality. its like if i argue that godin and thiago silva are shit and callejon is better than messi. both of those seasons also didnt come down to his level as a footballer.

whether or not ibra would make us a top 3 side is debatable without proper coaching. with proper coaching, we should be a top 3 side right now, let alone with ibra. whether or not id accept ibra depends on a lot of factors (icardi, budget etc), but whether or not ibra is good enough for inter right now isnt debatable.

AndyRamone
09 Apr 16, 23:22
L1 not being a competitive league isnt evidence of anything but that. it does not prove ibra is finished or that he would not improve our squad, or that he has been declining for many years. ibra is still playing at a top, top level. if you deny that ibra has been a beast post-2009, bar a season at barca and injuries last season, then you're just denying reality. its like if i argue that godin and thiago silva are shit and callejon is better than messi. both of those seasons also didnt come down to his level as a footballer.

whether or not ibra would make us a top 3 side is debatable without proper coaching. with proper coaching, we should be a top 3 side right now, let alone with ibra. whether or not id accept ibra depends on a lot of factors (icardi, budget etc), but whether or not ibra is good enough for inter right now isnt debatable.
That Ibra is a good player there's not doubt.... the fact that he would returns to us ist just fantasy and for sure 90% from San Siro would whistle this motherfucker...
I don't understand why talk about this son of a whore.... even you knows there is no fucking chance he comes back, by first his money... If ist your dream ok, I respect your dream ;)

J..
10 Apr 16, 06:48
Ibrahimovic is as well the cornerstone of an otherwise average national team and he was the big reason to why they managed to qualify for the European Championship.

.h.
12 Apr 16, 20:42
Shall I bother asking how he played tonight or will people just send a list of excuses and be very defensive and explain how it isn't his fault for the 15th year running?

Ronin
12 Apr 16, 20:44
Great performance, he really carried PSG tonight towards yet another UCL title.






















:lol:

Candreva Crosses
12 Apr 16, 20:57
For crying out loud, they had no midfielder. Watching Rabiat pass was like watching Kondogbia. I was thinking to myself, so here I am watching a PSG game and still I see Kondogbia???

Dylan
13 Apr 16, 21:07
Shall I bother asking how he played tonight or will people just send a list of excuses and be very defensive and explain how it isn't his fault for the 15th year running?

No it just means he's on the same level as Ronaldo. Or does it?

IRR26
14 Apr 16, 18:34
Did you see that Zlatan UEFA video where he praised Ronaldo Il Fenomeno. IMO that was class. Could find that video from web..

AndyRamone
14 Apr 16, 19:02
..."the one who wanted to go and win the champions somewhere else"...:yao:

.h.
14 Apr 16, 21:14
No it just means he's on the same level as Ronaldo. Or does it?
at least ronaldo put in a good show in the matches that matter.

Wallace
14 Apr 16, 21:29
Who said anything about Ronaldo being world class?

nurko
14 Apr 16, 22:22
at least ronaldo put in a good show in the matches that matter.

Don't you get bored ?

Dylan
14 Apr 16, 22:37
at least ronaldo put in a good show in the matches that matter.

With a great Brazil team behind him. By your way Ronaldo's failures to win a CL all stem to him not dragging Milan, Inter, Barca or Madrid to a CL so that's club ruled out.

If Ibra was Brazillian would he be world class?

I4E
15 Apr 16, 05:49
Browha's ridiculous measure on what constitutes world class just to deny that Ibrahimovic is a world class player is as stupid as it is boring to keep reading.

On that same insanely pathetic rating, a player like Recoba wasn't World Class... :lol: :palm:

.h.
15 Apr 16, 09:15
another CL, another poor performance, another knock out.

*micdrop*

IRR26
15 Apr 16, 09:31
Browha's ridiculous measure on what constitutes world class just to deny that Ibrahimovic is a world class player is as stupid as it is boring to keep reading.

On that same insanely pathetic rating, a player like Recoba wasn't World Class... :lol: :palm:

By browhas standard there isnt wc players. Even Messi has never able to deliver at national team. Only with the dream team they have in barca.

.h.
15 Apr 16, 09:49
By browhas standard there isnt wc players. Even Messi has never able to deliver at national team. Only with the dream team they have in barca.
You clearly dont understand my requirement of a world class player.

A world class player is the player who is at the top of their category for their position/etc. It's not about the 'Worlds Best XI', or 'really famous people', but rather, who, for every position on the pitch, is competitive with the VERY BEST in the world (on average)?


Plus, national football is a fucking joke.

KevinB
15 Apr 16, 09:51
Eric Cantona and Michael Ballack obviously never were world class players

Ronin
15 Apr 16, 09:57
By browhas standard there isnt wc players. Even Messi has never able to deliver at national team. Only with the dream team they have in barca.
The difference is Messi has carried the Argentinan NT multiple times. A world class player can have 0 Champions League titles sure, but he at least has to try and carry the team when the team needs him.

.h.
15 Apr 16, 10:07
The difference is Messi has carried the Argentinan NT multiple times. A world class player can have 0 Champions League titles sure, but he at least has to try and carry the team when the team needs him.
exactly this (and also be at the top tier of players).

Where Ibrahimovic falls down is that he is rarely there when the team need him most in the toughest of games.

The difference between Milito and Ibrahimovic is that Milito scored in every round of the CL for us, including a brace to win the cup. Ibrahimovic would never have done that.


Ibra's strike rate - this year aside - in big matches & the CL is like 1 in 4 games I think? I did this analysis a while ago and the results were quite shocking tbh.

TheNetworkZ
10 May 16, 18:38
Ibrahimovic admits he is in talks with other clubs

The Swedish striker has had a sterling campaign with PSG in which he has netted 35 times in Ligue 1, though he is still eyeing both more goals and titles.


Zlatan Ibrahimovic has won Goal’s Paris Saint-Germain Player of the Year award after a remarkable campaign, though he is remaining tight-lipped about whether he will remain in the French capital.

The Sweden international’s contract with the Parisians expires this summer and, after scoring a league-high 35 goals and counting this season – the most in his career to date – he is attracting plenty of interest from elsewhere.

The 34-year-old has long been linked with a reunion with prospective future Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho, but he has yet to decide on his next decision despite being in talks with several clubs.

“The situation is what it is. We will see what happens. We’re talking with everyone,” Ibrahimovic exclusively told Goal after receiving his award, which was voted for by readers of Goal France.

“We are in talks with PSG but also with other interested clubs. We will see what happens but I cannot give you an answer today. Just be positive!”

The Swede was also wary of committing to a timescale by when he would make up his mind: “[You’ll know] when it’s official! I will know at that time too. Before that, I wouldn’t know.

“It’s difficult to answer this question. When I know, you’ll know and the whole world will know. Everyone is asking that question but I do not have the answer yet.”

Ibrahimovic also leads the Ligue 1 assists charts in what has been his most productive season to date, fully deserving his award as he helped PSG wrap up the title in double-quick time.

And there are still milestones he can achieve before the season ends, with a 30th title of his career up for grabs in the Coupe de France final, while, with two matches remaining, he hasn’t given up on bettering the Ligue 1 scoring record which stands at 44 goals – nine more than his current tally.

“I only need one game to do it!” he jokes. “Seriously, nothing is impossible but it’s not something I’m that focused on.

“When I feel good and I’m playing well, the goals come from themselves. I’m not desperate when I get on the field to the point that I say, ‘I must score four or five goals.’ They come from themselves.

“From the moment the team is playing well, I help the team, the team helps me, and the goals will arrive. Just be alert, concentrate and score when the opportunity presents itself.”

Marseille stands between Ibrahimovic and the perfect end to his PSG career, should he decide to leave the club, and he says winning titles means as much now as it did when he was a kid.

He continued: “Of course, it is always a magical moment when you win a trophy, it becomes an historical moment and the story will be written down in books.

“But if I ever forget what it means to win a trophy, that’s when I’ll quit football.

“When I started, when I was young, I just wanted to win as many titles as possible so people will remember me. I’m on 29 now and we still have the Coupe de France final to play, so hopefully I can make it 30!”

http://www.goal.com/en-ca/news/4188/transfer-zone/2016/05/10/23327552/exclusive-ibrahimovic-admits-he-is-in-talks-with-other-clubs?ICID=HP_HN_1

Howl
10 May 16, 18:49
On another note, he also said:

“When I left Milan, it wasn’t my choice. I never wanted to leave,” Ibra told Mediaset Premium this evening.

“I love Milan and in my view it’s the biggest club I ever played for. My exit from Milan is the past and this is the future, we’ll see what happens.

“Could my future also be my past? You never know, but we’ll see in a little while and then everyone will know.”

Prick. http://www.football-italia.net/84047/ibrahimovic-i-still-love-milan

Candreva Crosses
11 May 16, 21:13
How the fuck can you compare Milito with Ibrahimovic?

.h.
11 May 16, 21:16
Impact.

M.Adnan
11 May 16, 21:37
Well Milito actually won the CL in his very first season with a club that is considered to be a CL contender. He had like only 3 or 4 shots to compete in the CL in his entire career but he's still done it successfully and perfectly.

Ibrahimovic pretty much had a shot on the CL title every single season in his entire career (excluding Malmo). I won't even count Ajax just for the sake of it. He had many seasons with the absolute best clubs in Europe (Juventus, Inter, Barcelona, Milan and now PSG). Milito never got these opportunities.

The comparison between him and Milito is ridiculous to me. I still consider both equally talented, but Milito is the better player to me when it matters, by far.

Mino
11 May 16, 23:18
On another note, he also said:

“When I left Milan, it wasn’t my choice. I never wanted to leave,” Ibra told Mediaset Premium this evening.

“I love Milan and in my view it’s the biggest club I ever played for. My exit from Milan is the past and this is the future, we’ll see what happens.

“Could my future also be my past? You never know, but we’ll see in a little while and then everyone will know.”

Prick. http://www.football-italia.net/84047/ibrahimovic-i-still-love-milan

he's salty because we got CL just after he left :slick:

Howl
12 May 16, 01:00
Milito over Ibra, all day every day :epicwin:

Big Willy
12 May 16, 01:22
Well Milito actually won the CL in his very first season with a club that is considered to be a CL contender. He had like only 3 or 4 shots to compete in the CL in his entire career but he's still done it successfully and perfectly.

Ibrahimovic pretty much had a shot on the CL title every single season in his entire career (excluding Malmo). I won't even count Ajax just for the sake of it. He had many seasons with the absolute best clubs in Europe (Juventus, Inter, Barcelona, Milan and now PSG). Milito never got these opportunities.

The comparison between him and Milito is ridiculous to me. I still consider both equally talented, but Milito is the better player to me when it matters, by far.


I don't know if "by far" I still remember when Zlatan carried us in the 08/09 title, like, he did all the job in that match Vs Parma. I think if he wasn't that prick, shit talking cunt, I would consider him a club idol.

Nothing to say about Diegol, apart from being a incredible player and winning more than Zlatan, behaved like a complete gentleman.

Candreva Crosses
12 May 16, 01:50
Well if I had to pick a player to have from 20 to 30 years old(meaning having them for 10 years) then I'd rather choose Ibra over Milito LOL. If I had the choice to pick the career of one of them players I would pick Ibrahimovic. If I had the chance to pick one of them to my NT it would be Ibrahimovic.

You guys make it seem like the CL was all because of Milito.


Maybe this subject is to touchy for some people.

kameru
12 May 16, 03:00
So he can flop every single big match for 10 years, no thanks. Milito FTW.

Wallace
12 May 16, 03:16
So he can flop every single big match for 10 years, no thanks. Milito FTW.

But he can also own every single small match.

Small match wins league.

Howl
12 May 16, 04:15
Well if I had to pick a player to have from 20 to 30 years old(meaning having them for 10 years) then I'd rather choose Ibra over Milito LOL. If I had the choice to pick the career of one of them players I would pick Ibrahimovic. If I had the chance to pick one of them to my NT it would be Ibrahimovic.

You guys make it seem like the CL was all because of Milito.


Maybe this subject is to touchy for some people.

Touchy is you defending Zlatan everytime someone gets a word in on him ;)

Candreva Crosses
12 May 16, 13:10
Touchy is you defending Zlatan everytime someone gets a word in on him ;)

Nope, I think it's crazy that people can compare him to Milito but you know what they say PAZZA Inter.

kameru
12 May 16, 17:58
But he can also own every single small match.

Small match wins league.

Then he is destined to not Win the UCL.

Kazaan
13 May 16, 13:18
Ibra on Twitter: My last game tomorrow at Parc des Princes. I came like a king, left like a legend

:lol:

Ronin
13 May 16, 13:36
Rumors about him and Inter. Even Mancio mentioned him on the press conference.

M.Adnan
13 May 16, 14:26
Of course Mancini wants him. Now his masterpiece tactics can work while fielding Ibra + 9 defenders + goalkeeper on the pitch. Defend, hoof the ball to Ibra and hope for the best.

Good old days. :proud:

Javier'sSon
13 May 16, 15:19
Rumors about him and Inter. Even Mancio mentioned him on the press conference.

Because some journalist asked Mancini about him, he ain't coming.

Handoyo
14 May 16, 05:02
Of course Mancini wants him. Now his masterpiece tactics can work while fielding Ibra + 9 defenders + goalkeeper on the pitch. Defend, hoof the ball to Ibra and hope for the best.

Good old days. :proud:
Better than the current state where there's no plan at all. :D:(

b4h4mooth
14 May 16, 07:15
Lets sign him, like the way we overtake him when he was about to sign for milan

uzhang
14 May 16, 08:27
First we must sign maxwel

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KevinB
14 May 16, 11:38
Step 1: Sign Maxwell
Step 2: Sign Ibrahimovic
Step 3: ???
Step 4: #InterDaScudetto #PrepareTheLine-Ups

Wallace
15 May 16, 23:26
Step 1: Sign Maxwell
Step 2: Sign Ibrahimovic
Step 3: Sign Toure
Step 4: #InterDaScudetto #PrepareTheLine-Ups

Helped you out.

A.l.i
16 May 16, 04:18
We can't afford him.

b4h4mooth
16 May 16, 14:36
He is going to Merda, mancini said he already made his mind. Shit, they will sign Maxwell too.

Ronin
16 May 16, 14:40
How can merda afford him but we can't?

.h.
16 May 16, 14:48
because merda dont have any FFP to comply with and clearly europe isnt in their ambition. It is for us, so we need to comply with it?

Ronin
17 May 16, 11:02
because merda dont have any FFP to comply with and clearly europe isnt in their ambition. It is for us, so we need to comply with it?
We don't have to comply with FFP either cause he'll come in as a free transfer. It's his wages that'll cost money, and those aren't counted in FFP, no?

KevinB
17 May 16, 11:31
Maybe he'll come to prove Browha that he's world class

Wishfull thinking

Ronin
17 May 16, 11:37
Maybe he'll finally win a European cup here. #InterDaEuropaLeague

Candreva Crosses
17 May 16, 14:03
So he flunks big game in CL but lifting the whole NT doesn't count? Go cry me a Messi.

Howl
17 May 16, 14:10
What did he lift them to?

monster09
17 May 16, 14:37
Not sure how reliable but rumors that ManUtd offered him contract and he will sign only if Jose signs for United.

Fapuccino
17 May 16, 16:46
Not sure how reliable but rumors that ManUtd offered him contract and he will sign only if Jose signs for United.

I don't think Mourinho would approve of him. Mourinho likes team efforts in attack, and with Ibra every attack has to go through him. Look at what he said once he went to Barca.

pazza moratti
17 May 16, 16:52
I'm 100% sure he will love to come Milan :awyeah:

.h.
17 May 16, 17:11
We don't have to comply with FFP either cause he'll come in as a free transfer. It's his wages that'll cost money, and those aren't counted in FFP, no?

wages do count, its only wages for contracts signed pre-2010 that didnt count.

M.Adnan
17 May 16, 17:59
For someone who doesn't have any European title and at this points of his career, I don't think that he'll join a club like Milan. Staying at PSG or leaving to a club that plays in Europe is a logical move tbh. Milan don't even play in EL and he doesn't have much time left in his career.

Wallace
17 May 16, 19:33
Can't win CL? Try win the EL.

Welcome to Man Utd.

TheNetworkZ
17 May 16, 20:10
For someone who doesn't have any European title and at this points of his career, I don't think that he'll join a club like Milan. Staying at PSG or leaving to a club that plays in Europe is a logical move tbh. Milan don't even play in EL and he doesn't have much time left in his career.

His family wants to live in Milan