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Marcello
02 Jun 08, 05:52
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Monday 9 June 2008
5 Grp C Romania v France Zurich - Letzigrund
6 Grp C Netherlands v Italy Berne - Stade de Suisse

Friday 13 June 2008
13 Grp C Italy v Romania Zurich - Letzigrund
14 Grp C Netherlands v France Berne - Stade de Suisse

Tuesday 17 June 2008
21 Grp C Netherlands v Romania Berne - Stade de Suisse
22 Grp C France v Italy Zurich - Letzigrund


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Marcello
02 Jun 08, 05:56
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Italia Squad

Goalkeepers: Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus), Marco Amelia (Livorno), Morgan De Sanctis (Sevilla)

Defense: Cristian Panucci (Roma), Fabio Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Andrea Barzagli (Palermo), Marco Materazzi (Inter), Fabio Grosso (Lyon), Gianluca Zambrotta (Barcelona), Giorgio Chiellini (Juventus)

Midfield: Gennaro Gattuso, Andrea Pirlo, Massimo Ambrosini (AC Milan), Daniele De Rossi, Simone Perrotta, Alberto Aquilani (Roma), Mauro German Camoranesi (Juventus), Riccardo Montolivo (Fiorentina)

Forwards: Luca Toni (Bayern Munich), Marco Borriello (Genoa), Antonio Di Natale, Fabio Quagliarella (Udinese), Alessandro Del Piero (Juventus), Antonio Cassano (Sampdoria

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Romania Squad

1 Bogdan Lobonţ
2 Cosmin Contra
3 Răzvan Raţ
4 Gabriel Tamaş
5 Cristian Chivu
6 Mirel Rădoi
7 Florentin Petre
8 Paul Codrea
9 Ciprian Marica
10 Adrian Mutu
11 Răzvan Cociş
12 Marius Cornel Popa
13 Cristian Sapunaru
14 Sorin Ghionea
15 Dorin Goian
16 Bănel Nicoliţă
17 Cosmin Moti
18 Marius Niculae
19 Adrian Cristea
20 Nicolae Dică
21 Daniel Niculae
22 Ştefan Radu
23 Eduard Stăncioiu


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France Squad

Gregory Coupet (Lyon), Mickael Landreau (PSG), Sebastien Frey (Fiorentina), Steve Mandanda (Marseille); Eric Abidal (Barcelona), Jean-Alain Boumsong (Lyon), Francois Clerc (Lyon), Julien Escude (Sevilla), Patrice Evra (Manchester United), William Gallas (Arsenal), Philippe Mexes (Roma), Willy Sagnol (Bayern Munich), Lilian Thuram (Barcelona), Sebastien Squillaci (Lyon);Alou Diarra (Bordeaux), Lassana Diarra (Portsmouth), Mathieu Flamini (Arsenal), Claude Makelele (Chelsea), Jeremy Toulalan (Lyon), Patrick Vieira (Inter Milan);Nicolas Anelka (Chelsea), Hatem Ben Arfa (Lyon), Karim Benzema (Lyon), Djibril Cisse (Marseille), Bafetimbi Gomis (St Etienne), Thierry Henry (Barcelona), Florent Malouda (Chelsea), Sidney Govou (Lyon), Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich), Samir Nasri (Marseille)

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Dutch Squad

Goalkeepers: Edwin van der Sar (Manchester United), Maarten Stekelenburg (Ajax Amsterdam), Henk Timmer (Feyenoord), Sander Boschker (Twente Enschede)

Defenders: Wilfred Bouma (Aston Villa), Tim de Cler (Feyenoord), John Heitinga (Ajax), Joris Mathijsen (SV Hamburg), Mario Melchiot (Wigan Athletic), Andre Ooijer (Blackburn Rovers), Khalid Boulahrouz (Sevilla FC)

Midfielders: Ibrahim Afellay (PSV Eindhoven), Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Feyenoord), Orlando Engelaar (Twente Enschede), Nigel de Jong (SV Hamburg), Denny Landzaat (Feyenoord), Wesley Sneijder (Real Madrid), Rafael van der Vaart (SV Hamburg), Demy de Zeeuw (AZ Alkmaar)

Forwards: Ryan Babel (Liverpool), Klaas Jan Huntelaar (Ajax), Dirk Kuyt (Liverpool), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Real Madrid), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Arjen Robben (Real Madrid), Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink (Celtic)

brehme1989
02 Jun 08, 10:26
Anyone but France :D

Romania and Italy for me though

lonewolf19
02 Jun 08, 16:45
Definitely hardest group of death here.

Holland and Italy but same as Yuko... I hope someone take France's place

La Bling
02 Jun 08, 19:40
I would call this the hardest group by far. My guess would be France and the Netherlands going through, but I'd much rather have Italy than France.

Alex de Large
02 Jun 08, 20:56
Happy to see Doppavaro injured.
Gamberrini deserved the call.

shahz_nerazzurri
02 Jun 08, 22:08
Gamberini deserved a call in the first fu*ckin place. Its stupidity to call Grosso and Panucci, and not Gamberini.
I am happy that Gamberini got the call, but sad for Cannavaro.
A Gamberini-Barzagli patnership is okay, but not world threatening like Canna-Nesta.


Edit: Pkay maybe not sad for Cannavaro, just sad for Italy. Cause as much as you hate Cannavaro, you have to admit, this guy is a freakin moster at the heart of Italian defence. Also he has great leadership qualities.

shahz_nerazzurri
02 Jun 08, 22:09
Also I would love to see Romania qualify with Italy, just cause they have Chivu and Mutu.
People are underrating Romania a lot. They'll be surprised.

Stefan
02 Jun 08, 22:24
I feel nothing for crappavaro. We all know what he did while at Inter. We all read the transcripts of him and moggi.

J zanetti
02 Jun 08, 22:31
Great to see Mr a$$ out of this one!

La Bling
02 Jun 08, 22:52
Who will wear the armband for Italy?

lonewolf19
02 Jun 08, 23:20
Bad news for Italy as Canna goes out but I dont care about the guy

rockball
03 Jun 08, 04:28
Who will wear the armband for Italy?

Gattuso?
Only Buffon and Toni are sure starters. But I doubt if they wear it. De Rossi could wear it too since apart from Del Piero, he is the only one who has done it for his club.

Would be great if Matrix gets it :D

mexican_azzurri
03 Jun 08, 04:56
I dont worry a lot about cannavaro, this team have great players in the all lines. I want to see Italy play now! :D

Marcello
03 Jun 08, 11:52
depends who starts could be matrix or buffon or even zambro

rockball
03 Jun 08, 12:10
I have a feeling it could be Panucci. He would most likely start at CB.

Alex de Large
03 Jun 08, 12:19
It's going to be Buffon, the ultimate criminal, illegal bets etc...

shahz_nerazzurri
04 Jun 08, 10:33
So uuuuhhhh, Cassano trouble starts.



Cassano was the surprise inclusion in Roberto Donadoni’s 23-man squad for the Euros, as he was preferred to Milan hitman Pippo Inzaghi.

While few doubt the genius of the Sampdoria forward, many feel his presence is a huge risk given his volatile personality and that his bad boy ways could damage the unity in the camp.

These fears may start to be realised after Cassano went berserk during a training session in Austria. The 25-year-old reacted furiously to a fair tackle from defender Giorgio Chiellini, before then proceeding to aim a volley of obscenities at the Juve defender, who is still said to be deeply upset after the challenge on Tuesday that has ruled captain Fabio Cannavaro out of the tournament.

Cassano didn’t stop there, as just minutes later he threw himself into an X-rated tackle on another defender Andrea Barzagli. Fortunately the new Wolfsburg man escaped unhurt.

Coach Roberto Donadoni was forced to step in to calm an agitated Cassano down, but tempers continued to fray in the changing rooms after training, with many players angry with Cassano’s conduct.

While the incident is now said to be forgotten, the Bari-native’s behaviour is certainly a cause of concern at this difficult time following the massive injury loss of Cannavaro.

They should start offering bets for this type of sh*it. After Danadoni announced the squad, I searched 8 different betting sites
hoping to find one where we could bet on Cassano's chances of going berserk.
No such luck.

Marcello
04 Jun 08, 11:11
So uuuuhhhh, Cassano trouble starts.




They should start offering bets for this type of sh*it. After Danadoni announced the squad, I searched 8 different betting sites
hoping to find one where we could bet on Cassano's chances of going berserk.
No such luck.


Just read that carefully .. we dont know chellini the faget in person so he may of injured canavaro and trying to hurt barzagli as well so he doesnt have to sit it on the bench and cassano reacted just the way i would of too .. by telling of chellini the big fuck face

Bes
05 Jun 08, 21:40
France and Netherlands. Italy will totally fail.

rockball
09 Jun 08, 11:33
Big games tonight.

Forza Italia!!
Forza Romania!!

Pajo
09 Jun 08, 11:44
Yup, Forza italia and Forza Romania...

Man i want Romania to win soo much, even more than Italy...

Ajesh
09 Jun 08, 11:55
Donadoni should talk up Ambrosini like anything and shouldnt let him play in any of the matches.That would be highlight of Euros.

De Rossi should be given the Nod if the choice is between him and Ambrosini..No doubt about that.

lonewolf19
09 Jun 08, 16:10
Game on
Forza Chivu

p.s. Anelka play for France instead of Trezegay... dont know wat this French coach is thinking.

M.Adnan
09 Jun 08, 16:45
Wait, Donadoni actually took Ambrosini to the Euro? :howler: aren't there any players left in Italy?

By the way, I heard that Materazzi is going to start. Really good news if it's true. I know that Chiellini is a good player, but I can't stand his face.

Sassuolu
09 Jun 08, 16:49
Domenech says Italy are boring? He should watch his team more closely they bored the holy crap out of me. Romania have been good so far a few mistakes in the back and a few yellow cards but they held on well and got their fair share of shots in. Though none were threatening, also Chivu's been good so far. Did anyone notice him during the national anthem such passion he's a model captain. :P

Adam
09 Jun 08, 16:50
Absolutely amazing that France with all that offensive power chooses to play defensive tactics. Romania are playing smart and are doing really well in lowering the tempo. It's like what the Swedish commentator is saying, that they look like Sweden and not just becase of the yellow kits.

This match needs a goal badly, if it happens it will be a great match.

Sassuolu
09 Jun 08, 16:52
Absolutely amazing that France with all that offensive power chooses to play defensive tactics. Romania are playing smart and are doing really well in lowering the tempo. It's like what the Swedish commentator is saying, that they look like Sweden and not just becase of the yellow kits.

This match needs a goal badly, if it happens it will be a great match.

Yeah I agree you'd expect France with players like Ribery and Benzema to go all out at the start of the game and get an early goal. No wonder they don't score...

Adam
09 Jun 08, 17:04
Yeah, Domenech is a little nutty that way. For me the best part of the match was seeing him standing by the sidelines. I don't know what it is about him but he makes me laugh. Second half starting..

Alex de Large
09 Jun 08, 17:05
boring game.

Sassuolu
09 Jun 08, 17:52
Wow what a terrible game, I can't believe that idiot Domenech is applauding he should hide I hate the prick.

Suneet
09 Jun 08, 17:59
Italy need to win tonite. A win for either team would mean almost 1 step into the next round..

lonewolf19
09 Jun 08, 18:15
Terrible game from France tonight. Boring as hell.

Matrix starting for Italy

Sassuolu
09 Jun 08, 18:29
Also Ambrosini

Azzkikr
09 Jun 08, 18:43
Donadoni smoking crack it seems.

Ambro instead of De Rossi :drunk:

Also old man Panucci instead of grosso.

Alex de Large
09 Jun 08, 18:44
Ambrosini before De Rossi is a fucking joke, Donadoni plays that crap player only because he plays for Milan or what?

Adam
09 Jun 08, 18:56
The first ten minutes of this match is more exciting than all of France-Romania. What an atmosphere in the stadium!

Fabio
09 Jun 08, 19:04
Materazzi singing the anthem.. what passion. And the whole team too in fact. :star:

Adam
09 Jun 08, 19:12
Van nistelrooy 1-0. Holland dominating atm.. Great game! Interesting goal as Panucci was off the pitch and cleared Ruud for the goal, otherwise he would of been offside.

lonewolf19
09 Jun 08, 19:14
WOW
super off side goal

Principe
09 Jun 08, 19:15
According to Andy Grey if the player is behind the goal he's not part of the play so that was an obvious offside according to the rules...

Alex de Large
09 Jun 08, 19:16
golllllllllllllllllll sneijder!!!!!!!!!!!

Adam
09 Jun 08, 19:16
2-0 Holland, Sneijder! What a brilliant counter attack!

Principe
09 Jun 08, 19:17
what a goal amaaazing...

lonewolf19
09 Jun 08, 19:18
2-0 Holland

Principe
09 Jun 08, 19:19
Great volley by di nitale

Suneet
09 Jun 08, 19:28
Nobody puts Del Piero and Cassano on the bench. Camoranesi and Di Natale arent anywhere close to them in terms of talent and affect on the game.

Principe
09 Jun 08, 19:29
Materazzi aweful in reading that play and his lack of pace almost ended Italy's chances...

Adam
09 Jun 08, 19:30
Sorry Suneet, but Del Piero?:dielaugh: He's not half the footballer di Natale is and he always sucks in the NT. And Camoranesi has been Juve's best player this season by far. Cassano I can agree with, but he has a lot to prove.

Alex de Large
09 Jun 08, 19:31
Nobody puts Del Piero and Cassano on the bench. Camoranesi and Di Natale arent anywhere close to them in terms of talent and affect on the game.

Di Natale is better and a much better compliment for Luca Toni.
But De Rossi-Perrotta OR AQUILANI and Cassano should come in for Pirlo-Ambrosini and maybe camoranesi.

Pirlo is an overrated piece of crap, he does nothing, only take free kicks.
Del Piero is a juventino sucker, who use to take drugs to make some runs.

Principe
09 Jun 08, 19:34
De Rossi must start the second half. the midfield is not geling like it should for a winning team....after that if Pirlo's stays below par maybe drop gattuso and have De Rossi in front of him and insert Cassano to have Cassano and Camoranesi on the sides or Cassano as an AM

szogo
09 Jun 08, 19:34
Roberto D. doesnt learn from Roberto M. Playing 3 DMs is awful. No creativy whatsoever from Italy. Goal from 2m offside but still they looking like Inter. So far pathetic display.
Even Poland played better yesterday lol :P

Edit: About offside. Right now at polish Tv Italian referre explain this decision. Pannuci was off the line and he explained it that if he doesnt need a help from a doctor (discussion decision) he was "playing" so Rud wasnt offside.

Azzkikr
09 Jun 08, 19:35
Pirlo does nothing :confused:

He is italy best, their only source of creativity.

Totti is severly missed, everything has to come deep from Pirlo.

The dutch have dominated, but in terms of chances its been even, shame italy didnt pull one back before the break it would have been a more exciting second half.

I think Holland will finaly win, after not having won against Italy for 30 years...

Suneet
09 Jun 08, 19:35
Trust me I hate Del Pissero as much as you people do. But he can do more than what Camoranesi did. Cassano is the kind of maniac you need to turn your team around. Maybe bring on De Rossi for Ambrosini.

Adam
09 Jun 08, 19:37
Like I expected Italy's defence is not what it used to be and the dutch again and again found openings.

As Italy coach I would put on Cassano and remove one of their CM's and instead use the wing more. They should remove Ambrosini or Gattuso and use Camo and Natale on the wings in 442 with Cassano behind Toni.

Great match so far. :)

The_Emperor
09 Jun 08, 19:42
No wonder they are down 2-0 they have a very bad midfield, bb-like midfield. Like some of you said Donadoni should put in Cassano and De Rossi.
Ambrosini on the pitch.. come on...

PS: Di Natale is impressing. We should get him instead of Quaresma as our "wide player".

tonyloo
09 Jun 08, 19:46
Nobody reacting to the Milan midfield? What has that midfield done this year to earn a start in this tournament.

Donadoni = Milan.

Principe
09 Jun 08, 19:47
no change.....Donadoni is insane

Adam
09 Jun 08, 20:05
Ahahaha, Donadoni is putting in Del Piero against this young quick Dutch side. This is gonna be funny. Where is Cassano, get him on already.

P.s ref is doing a great job. He's not falling for either teams easy falls and has made little misakes. He's kept the match flowing.

lonewolf19
09 Jun 08, 20:05
Looks no way past the Dutch. De Rossi needs to start

Adam
09 Jun 08, 20:20
As usual the master diver get's a freekick. Great save by Van der sar! Goooooaaaaaaal! 3-0 Van bronckhorst! What a match this has been!

Azzkikr
09 Jun 08, 20:21
3-0 what a joke.

Del Piero and Grosso made huge impact tho, italy should have scored atleast twice, missing huge chances.

Luka
09 Jun 08, 20:22
What a game.

Italy almost didn't exist for 45-60 minutes. Grosso, Cassano, Del Pedro made a huge impact.

This pass of Cassano to Toni, and Pirlo to Grosso, can only italians make.

Adam
09 Jun 08, 20:23
Grosso made an impact, Del Piero did nothing but waste a good chance and dive for a freekick. Cassano also made an impact.

lonewolf19
09 Jun 08, 20:23
Very good counter from Holland.
Game Over Italy

Principe
09 Jun 08, 20:23
Italy just received a wake up call i guess....The Dutch playing beautiful football

Azzkikr
09 Jun 08, 20:25
Grosso made an impact, Del Piero did nothing but waste a good chance and dive for a freekick. Cassano also made an impact.

:drunk:....Stop being so biased about Del Piero, its pathetic to read when anyone watching the game can confirm otherwise.

And cassano has done absolutely nothing. He is a disaster along with most of the rest of the team.

Joss
09 Jun 08, 20:26
Materazzi is finished as a player. He should retire and save whats left of his reputation.

lonewolf19
09 Jun 08, 20:27
Italy should get one goal at least. They deserved it.
Buffon never conceded in a major match according to euro2008.com
This just show what a disaster the defense had been today

Luka
09 Jun 08, 20:27
Oh, and I forgot.

Ambrossini instead of De Rossi LOL

Principe
09 Jun 08, 20:29
:drunk:....Stop being so biased about Del Piero, its pathetic to read when anyone watching the game can confirm otherwise.

And cassano has done absolutely nothing. He is a disaster along with most of the rest of the team.

Delpiero has made an impact and so has Grosso and Cassano...In fact wasn't Cassano the one who crossed that ball to Toni only for Toni to completely mess up on the volley???

Adam
09 Jun 08, 20:29
:drunk:....Stop being so biased about Del Piero, its pathetic to read when anyone watching the game can confirm otherwise.

And cassano has done absolutely nothing. He is a disaster along with most of the rest of the team.

What's pathetic is that you think you have business talking to me in an intelligent discussion. Yes, I don't like Del Piero but if he does well I have to give him credit. Thing is he hasn't done anything except what I wrote, on a couple of occasions he just couldn't keep up and his lack of speed has cost Italy. And Cassano has done nothing? Don't be an idiot, he served Toni with a one on one with a beautful assist and has hade several good plays.

Suneet
09 Jun 08, 20:34
Materazzi is finished as a player. He should retire and save whats left of his reputation.

Barzagli was the joke. Matrix made just 1 mistake and Buffon saved that. Matrix was put in the team for the long ball, sadly Donadoni didnt realise that Netherlands wont use it.

If I can from in front of my computer screen predict what the lineup should be, then I dont know how poor Donadoni's tactics were. Cannavaro was missed, sorely. Toni cant play alone and do everything by himself.


Another thing that I have noticed that playing the long ball to the target man doesnt work anymore, not in CL, not in the Euros, not anywhere. Only Inter can do it.:P

Alex de Large
09 Jun 08, 20:35
Antonio Cassano should be starter in the next game.

Donadoni is a ACmilanista prick. I thought he was good LOL

I love to watch Van der vaart, sneijder, robin van persie, too many class there.

Azzkikr
09 Jun 08, 20:37
Intelligent discussion with you? Thats not possible...

You always praise the players you favour and critisize those you dont, regardless how they play.

First Zlatan and now Cassano.

Your a funny guy :howler:

Adam
09 Jun 08, 20:37
True that Alex. He's been in great form the last six months and it is not right to bench him.

Fully deserved win for Holland. They were simply put faster, quicker, more lethal in front of goal and just overall better.

Adam
09 Jun 08, 20:38
Intelligent discussion with you? Thats not possible...


Not if you're in it.

And me favouring Cassano?:lol: God, you're such a moron. I've probably been the most critical of Cassano out of all the people on this forum.

Pajo
09 Jun 08, 20:38
Donadoni is fuking joke... Man, i would have put the tacticks better...

Joss
09 Jun 08, 20:41
The only tactic donadoni got wrong was playing materazzi. Italy were really unlucky today. They should have scored 3 goals themselves, but nothing went their way.

AntonTheGreat
09 Jun 08, 20:42
Buffon was shit today. I know people are gonna flip. But the first goal shouldnt have even been a chance. It was going out of bounds, he kept it in and knocked out a defender. The second goal i think he shoulda saved. Italia was very poor. Nothing joyful or special about the whole game by them. Netherlands were as classy as it gets. Outplayed us in every category.

Romania vs France was the most boring game ever. Romania's defence scares me tho. They dealt with some heavy attacks very well. I really don't see italia qualifying now, although i hope they do.

Luka
09 Jun 08, 20:42
I think Donadoni was taking some lessons under Mancini of how you should play in big games.

This was so alike our games. 45-60 minutes almost nothing, deffending, not pushing many players up front, and this freeking long ball for either of the strikers.

And in ~60 when there was nothing too lose, they started to play.

Either this is pure coincidence, or I have discovered a new fan of our former coach.

Suneet
09 Jun 08, 20:47
The only tactic donadoni got wrong was playing materazzi. Italy were really unlucky today. They should have scored 3 goals themselves, but nothing went their way.

Again, no explanation. You're like the Ameobi guy from I'm on setanta.

And Azz, Cassano with probably his first touch created a goal only for Toni to mess it up. You cant deny that. It would have been 2-1. Del Piero and Cassano managed to push the Orange defenders a little back but our 2 CB's werent quick enough.

I'm still confident Italia can make it through, they have the quality. 4-2-3-1 was needed..

Buffon

Zbrotta-Panucci-Matrix-Grosso

Pirlo-De Rossi

Cassano-Del Piero-Di Natale

Toni

NimAraya
09 Jun 08, 20:47
What a debacle!

Suneet
09 Jun 08, 20:48
Buffon was shit today. I know people are gonna flip. But the first goal shouldnt have even been a chance. It was going out of bounds, he kept it in and knocked out a defender. The second goal i think he shoulda saved. Italia was very poor. Nothing joyful or special about the whole game by them. Netherlands were as classy as it gets. Outplayed us in every category.

Romania vs France was the most boring game ever. Romania's defence scares me tho. They dealt with some heavy attacks very well. I really don't see italia qualifying now, although i hope they do.

I agree with everything you said bar the Romania defence. I dont think France gave it their all, not one challenging shot for the keeper, no quality through balls... I think Romania got a very important point against France.

shahz_nerazzurri
09 Jun 08, 20:59
Matrix should retire, he really really should. He is just embarrassing himself out there. He probably was on some good drugs in WC 2006, but now he is not even on the level of SERIEC defenders.

What a piss poor performance, and we all have Danadoni to thank for it. As soon as I saw the lineup, I knew Italy were gonna loose, ofcourse I didnt predict a 3-0 hammering.

I dont wanna see any more of Matrix or Barzagli. FFS Donadoni, grow some balls, and start choosing players on form, rather than by name.

Chellini had an excellent excellent season, seeing him on the bench was laughable, and then to not play DeRossi, but put in crap like Ambrosini and Gattusso in midfield, its like Donadoni was purposefully trying to loose.

Anyways, I gotta go for my afternoon nap. If i start writing what Donadoni did wrong today, I'll probably be here the whole afternoon.

szogo
09 Jun 08, 21:17
I think Donadoni was taking some lessons under Mancini of how you should play in big games.

This was so alike our games. 45-60 minutes almost nothing, deffending, not pushing many players up front, and this freeking long ball for either of the strikers.

And in ~60 when there was nothing too lose, they started to play.

Either this is pure coincidence, or I have discovered a new fan of our former coach.


And he speaks like him :D

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun9r.html

Cro Nerazzurro
09 Jun 08, 21:40
I love it, Was hoping for 5-0 but...
I never rated Donadoni high, so he didnt suprise me with that terrible display and tactics

AntonTheGreat
10 Jun 08, 00:05
I think Donadoni was taking some lessons under Mancini of how you should play in big games.

This was so alike our games. 45-60 minutes almost nothing, deffending, not pushing many players up front, and this freeking long ball for either of the strikers.

And in ~60 when there was nothing too lose, they started to play.

Either this is pure coincidence, or I have discovered a new fan of our former coach.

You forgot about the late subs. 75+ minutes and then he decides to switch the attack ;)

snake
10 Jun 08, 00:06
Could not be happier.

Alex de Large
10 Jun 08, 00:59
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3901/84209835zp2.jpg

10 reasons to support Holland ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/euro2008/article-1023898/GO-TEAM-HOLLAND-10-reasons-supporting-Dutchmen.html

HUP HOLLAND HUP!

Hammoudi
10 Jun 08, 02:45
Predictions:

As usual, Holland starts with flash, but they will disappear.

Italy starts slowly but then will make it somehow.

I hope I am wrong though.

shahz_nerazzurri
10 Jun 08, 02:57
If I was Danadoni, I would sent Materazzi and Ambrosini back home. Actually if I was head of Italian FA, I would sent back Donadoni back home. He went for names instead of form. Gattusso has been so so shit this season, what was he doing in the lineup? Ambrosini has been even worse, did DeRossi die or something?
3 DMsss, seriously taking lessons from Mancini is not cool. He leaves probably the most inform Italian AM in Montilivo back home. Panucci in the starting line up :yuck:.

I fully expected Itlay to loose after seeing the lineup. Why go with clowns like MAtrix, when you have 50 times better defenders in Chellini and Gamberini sitting on the bench.
This should be the lineup in the next game.

----------------------Buffon------------------

-Zambrotta-----Chellini----Gamberini-----Grosso

------Pirlo------DeRossi-----Petrotta(Camo)---

--------------Cassano------Delpiero--------

---------------------Toni-------------------

Yeah, so about 7 changes from the starting lineup today, should about do it.

Ziyad
10 Jun 08, 06:01
^^Agree with the formation.Maybe keep Barzagli.

I think Donadoni got scared when Canna went injured and wanted to get as defensive as possible so he played 3 DM who know each other in Milan...What a stupid fuk!!!

Pirlo,Gattusso had one of their worst seasons ever and complained about fatigue.Ambrosini is just shit and doesnt deserve to be starting..How he didnt have Del Piero/Chiellini/DeRossi in that lineup i do not know...

WHatt he hell is he doing benching Grosso too.?!?!?!

thomas_inter
10 Jun 08, 07:06
Ahhh what a show tonight!
I watched the game at a friends house, everything was Orange and it was one big party!

Great :), too bad everybody thinks I'm azzurro, just because I support Inter...

And supported Italy on the WC... :rolleyes:

NimAraya
10 Jun 08, 07:57
Playing Ambrosini, Camoranessi and Matrix was the worst decisions. Anyway the whole team couldn't play worse than this.

Adriano@10
10 Jun 08, 09:53
DAmn i was in the stadium last night how depressing!!!
Anyway unlike u i still trust in the italy squad we just need some changes.
Matrix should not start again and grosso has to start. And the attack looked way better when dullpiero and cassano were in.

But on the match lets face it the First goal was a clear offsides and if the ref would have seen this the match would have been a different one. Also i don t know what was wrong with toni normally he would have scored 1-2 goals from the chances he had.
Still it s obvious holland deserved the victory but it should not have been that high. I mean a 2:1 ore lets say a 3:2 would have been a ok result but thats football.

Now we just have to beat romania which i really think we will and then it s all up for the big clash against les bleus.

Mustafa
10 Jun 08, 10:16
Playing Ambrosini, Camoranessi and Matrix was the worst decisions. Anyway the whole team couldn't play worse than this.

The players that should have played:
Grosso instead of Panucci
De Rossi instead of Ambrosini
Quagliarela/Cassano instead of Camoranesi

Italy is now having the same problem Germany had on EURO 2000. We have 13 players older than 30 and only 3 younger than 25 years old.

Of course we have to keep some old players, like for example Zambrotta, but most of them should retire from international football and give place to youngsters. Italy will be back in 2010 South Africa and will win Poland/Ukraine EURO 2012.

Mustafa
10 Jun 08, 10:18
Now we just have to beat romania which i really think we will and then it s all up for the big clash against les bleus.

Italy haven't beaten France in ages. I mean in normal time. So I think we will win Romania and get a draw against France

Cro Nerazzurro
10 Jun 08, 10:37
Just to clear it, goal was regular, Panucci was counted so ruud was in no offside, and that wasnt offside on Persie, when...so it could easily be 4-0...still good

M.Adnan
10 Jun 08, 11:16
It was funny watching AC Milan losing to Holland yesterday.

Though I was surprised that Chiellini didn't start (actually I wasn't surprised since Donadoni is the coach).

Who the hell plays Ambrosini instead of De Rossi? what special qualities does Ambrosini actually have?

I hope Milan get the last place in this group.

szogo
10 Jun 08, 11:56
c4 rOx sometimes :D


Yet the most extraordinary thing about the whole evening was the way that Donadoni capped it off. When asked why De Rossi didn’t start as expected, he – in Roberto Mancini style – claimed it wasn’t his fault if journalists got their probable line-ups wrong. It was a nice line, but one which was greeted with a tumbleweed roll. Just in case the CT doesn’t realise it, Italy’s Euro 2008 hopes hang by a thread and it’s no laughing matter.

scutzon
10 Jun 08, 16:56
I was so disappointed by Italy's performance yesterday. I was very angry when Van Nistelrooy's goal was allowed, but after seeing it again, it was totally legitimate.

But concentrating on Italy's toothless performance, both their offence and defence were horrible. Di Natale, Toni and Camoranesi have close to zero understanding with each other. Missed passes, early and late runs. I was especially disappointed with Di Natale; he looked absolutely clueless on the pitch except for that one shot.

Moving on the defence, with Cannavaro out, Italy's defence has gone down the drain. Their marking on Netherland's second and third goal was atrocious. I admit Netherland's counter attack was surprisingly fast, but seriously, Italy is supposed to have one of the meanest defence. Donadoni needs to grow some brains fast and stop playing Materazzi. Granted he did well in the WC two years ago, but he's done.

The only positives I see from this game was Zambrotta, Pirlo, Del Piero and Cassano. These players actually made a difference, Pirlo made some very nice passes and tackles, although some of his long balls into the box need to be improved. Zambrotta again showed why he is such a class player, which makes me really pissed off he's going to Milan. Del Piero and Cassano went into the game and showed what they can do, especially DP, who created some really good chances.

With one loss and matches against Romania and France, Italy will need to work pretty damn hard to qualify for the next round, IMO. I agree with some of the posts here who wants to see major changes to the lineup. Ambrosini and Gatusso need to go. Del Piero and De Rossi have to start.

UhUhOleguer
10 Jun 08, 20:36
I had 4 reasons to believe in Oranje from way before the tournament started..

1) Compactness, unity on the field, team play
2) Good keeper
3) One of the 3 best players in the world on set pieces(Sneijder)
4) Excellent transition from defense to offense and vice versa

1 and 4 are Marco's work..
The man is a genius...Dutch will go far, hopefully. Can't stand them for obvious reasons actually, but Gio and Marco make up for a lot..

Hup Holland Hup!!!!

Choppin Onions
11 Jun 08, 07:02
I thought Sneijder was excellent. He alone ripped the Milan midfield a new arse. And speaking of that shite midfield, what a horrible performance, outside Pirlo. Gattuso and Ambrosini are such hacks and shouldn't be starting for the Finnish national team much less the Azzurri. I guess the retarded milanista Donadoni forgot that the very same midfield led Milan to a UEFA Cup berth. And Matrix is done as a footballer. I hope Mourinho realizes this before the start of the season.

Donadoni needs to use the following formation against Romania:

Buffon
Zambro Chiellini Barzagli (Gamberrini) Grosso
De Rossi Pirlo Aquilani
Camoranesi Cassano
Toni

Now that's a fucking team. I personally like Gamberrini more than Barzagli but I doubt Donadoni will make two switches in central defense. Hell, he probably won't make any changes. Hire Mancio after 2008! :D

Mustafa
11 Jun 08, 08:50
Now that's a fucking team. I personally like Gamberrini more than Barzagli but I doubt Donadoni will make two switches in central defense. Hell, he probably won't make any changes. Hire Mancio after 2008! :D

That what I was thinking as well, but Italian Football Federation renewed his contract till 2010. Let's hope Italy will not miss the World Cup with those old players and stupid coach.

NimAraya
13 Jun 08, 03:21
I donno what does Donadoni think?!! What the hell Camoranessi is gonna do?! He's a real piece of trash. Kick him out!!

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 03:37
I donno what does Donadoni think?!! What the hell Camoranessi is gonna do?! He's a real piece of trash. Kick him out!!

??
He didnt shine against Netherland but was far better than Gattuso, Matrix, Zambrotta, Barzagli. Donadoni need to kick those out first. Benching the Juve duo, De Rossi and Aquanli is just dumb.

NimAraya
13 Jun 08, 06:09
??
He didnt shine against Netherland but was far better than Gattuso, Matrix, Zambrotta, Barzagli. Donadoni need to kick those out first. Benching the Juve duo, De Rossi and Aquanli is just dumb.

Far What?!! What I have seen he was the worst player on the pitch. Lost every ball, wrong passes, no challenge...Nothing at all!

brehme1989
13 Jun 08, 09:03
Romania will beat Italy and the Holland-France game will end up as a draw. Placed a bet already :D

Mustafa
13 Jun 08, 09:07
Italy 1-1 Romania
Holland 2-1 France

Italy will be out and hope they will be able to change yhe coach

NimAraya
13 Jun 08, 09:15
Italy 1-1 Romania
Holland 2-1 France

Italy will be out and hope they will be able to change yhe coach

Then with this prediction how can Italia be eliminated?! If Italia beats France and Romania doesn't win against Holland, it's Italia who advance to the next stage.

Mustafa
13 Jun 08, 09:18
Then with this prediction how can Italia be eliminated?! If Italia beats France and Romania doesn't win against Holland, it's Italia who advance to the next stage.

I don't remember when was the last time Italy has beaten France in normal time, and with the squad and coach Italy has now it looks unlikely that they will win :( Even though I've been supporting Italy for 10 years.

Ajesh
13 Jun 08, 10:14
It was funny watching AC Milan losing to Holland yesterday.



lolzz,

Hope it is Azzurri team today.Not Bilan-Jube vs Romania.

Cro Nerazzurro
13 Jun 08, 10:24
2 draws today:D

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 11:20
Italy beat Romania
France and Netherlands draw

Pajo
13 Jun 08, 11:46
i say italy beat Romania, and Holland beats France...

That's what I'm hoping for...:D

Cro Nerazzurro
13 Jun 08, 12:09
I hope Romania wins, and I hope france gets killed by V.Persie, with Henry not playing cause Domenech is just too stupid

Adam
13 Jun 08, 14:53
Del Piero today: I am Achilles!

Is it me or has this guy finally lost his damn mind?

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 15:14
I hope Romania wins, and I hope france gets killed by V.Persie, with Henry not playing cause Domenech is just too stupid

I thought Henry was a little injured that is why he was not fielded against Romania. Anyway, big matches coming up

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 15:27
Anyways, Italy's lineup looks a lot better tonight

rockball
13 Jun 08, 15:37
Del Piero today: I am Achilles!

Is it me or has this guy finally lost his damn mind?

What does he really mean?
Captain :stuckup:

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 16:23
Chivu FK hit the post!

Adam
13 Jun 08, 16:48
Del Piero is such a twat. The Romanian player schooled him and took the ball from him as easy and humiliating as I have ever seen. So he tackles him from behind and starts talking to the ref, and just because his rep is good he gets away with it, despite doing shit like this all the time.

Goal, Italy... No Offside! Italians got a goal wrongfully disallowed for nonexistant offside.

Very good fist half, both teams did well but Luca Toni should of done better on the multiple chances he got. Unlucky for him when he finished well it got wrongfully disallowed. Del Piero has done nothing at all except getting a freekick that he wasted. Cassano should come on for him in the second half, early.

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 17:13
Mutu GOAL
Italy farking in trouble
what a mistake from zambrotta

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 17:15
Panucci get one back from corner
game on again
Nice assist from Chilleini

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 17:39
Penalty to Romania

edit: saved by Buffon

The_Emperor
13 Jun 08, 17:58
Goodbye Italy.

rockball
13 Jun 08, 17:58
:mad:
The first half was really good. Italy could have killed the game then. Grosso and Camoranesi kept putting in cross after cross. Too bad Toni and Del Piero couldn't do much of it.

Cassano was good too.
If they play this way, Italy should beat France.

Ziyad
13 Jun 08, 18:00
Well Zambrotta caused them the first goal.Nice that he is starting his Milan career this way,hope he keeps it up ;)

The subs didnt do much..I really feel for Mutu after missing that..

Panucci is carrying this team it seems.Not many are playing with heart but he definately is one of those who are..

Adam
13 Jun 08, 18:04
Cassano was brilliant when he came on. Everytime he got the ball something happened and many times it became dangerous. He deserves to start against France. Splendid vision and creativity coming from him today.

brehme1989
13 Jun 08, 18:05
Crap, I really wanted Romania to win it

NimAraya
13 Jun 08, 18:14
What a last day this group is gonna have! Killing Day! Judgement day!!

brehme1989
13 Jun 08, 18:15
Cassano was brilliant when he came on. Everytime he got the ball something happened and many times it became dangerous. He deserves to start against France. Splendid vision and creativity coming from him today.

And who doesn't want him at Inter now?:D

brehme1989
13 Jun 08, 18:22
I want the bloody Frenchies to win this one!

Then Italy and Romania wil go through, even though I wouldn't mind Romania with Holland(if Holland beats France and loses out to Romania ;))

AntonTheGreat
13 Jun 08, 18:24
This group is a wet dream. Italia has slim chance of succeding, epscially if holland looses.

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 18:27
Good to see Zambrotta failing. Jube and Bilan player

NimAraya
13 Jun 08, 18:30
This group is a wet dream. Italia has slim chance of succeding, epscially if holland looses.

What it has to do with Italia's situation?! Italia have to beat France and Romania doesn't win against Holland and Italia is through. If Holland lose, it goes even better for Italia, because Holland play for their lives in the match against Romania.

rockball
13 Jun 08, 18:30
It was great seeing Italy attack so much. Panucci was found in the opponents box in open play a few times!

The team selection was good today. Still didn't see the logic of bringing Ambrosini later on and Quagliarella too. Aquilani could have been a better choice.

Ziyad
13 Jun 08, 18:40
It was great seeing Italy attack so much. Panucci was found in the opponents box in open play a few times!

The team selection was good today. Still didn't see the logic of bringing Ambrosini later on and Quagliarella too. Aquilani could have been a better choice.

I agree probably Aquilani and DiNatale would have been much better.I feel for DiNatale as he was good in his last two games but he pays for the outlash Donadoni got..

BTW Donadoni should be a goner..Italy played much better but mostly because of the pressure on them they had to react.They need an upgrade coach wise.

Ajesh
13 Jun 08, 18:52
Donadoni has lost it.

What was Perrota and Camonerasi doing in the line up.Cassano could have won it if he had played from the start.

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 18:56
1-0 Kuyt

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 20:01
the two sub produce another goal for Holland.
Game Over France

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 20:15
Henry scored but it only last few sec.
Holland played counter to perfection and Robben score a wonderful goal.

AntonTheGreat
13 Jun 08, 20:20
Holland have dominated the 2 favorites of the tournament. They have suddenly become the team to beat in EURO 2008, well deserved as well. They have played some brillian football, they have been quick, and most importantly they get the goals when needed. 6 goals already against italia and france, presumably the best deffensive teams in the tournament. Hats off to them. Games not over, but it basically is ;)

brehme1989
13 Jun 08, 20:22
Holland and Romania will go through then :cool:

I look forward to Holland-Spain :)

lonewolf19
13 Jun 08, 20:36
omg, Holland absolutely owns. 7 goals together against France and Italy is crazy

Alex de Large
13 Jun 08, 20:37
80's are back, baby, whatn an excitng team. van persie, van der vaart, robben, sneijder, wow. they are scoring all they didn't score in the last world cup!

http://www.shaka-fanfiction.net/karmalaa/almacen/naranja.jpg


the 3 best games so far..
this one between france and holland 2-italy-holand 3-italy-rumania. The group of the death.

brehme1989
13 Jun 08, 20:38
Nice game :lol:

Adam
13 Jun 08, 20:43
Fantastic Holland, and they haven't even unleashed Huntelaar yet. Sweden has to beat Spain now otherwise we get the Orange in the quarters, if we make it.

Scary thought.

NimAraya
13 Jun 08, 20:47
How u doing Holland?!:D They couldn't even dream about this start!

The_Emperor
13 Jun 08, 21:39
Excellent, now that clueless idiot aka Domenech will be sacked.

mexican_azzurri
13 Jun 08, 22:03
I like when a team play like a nice football, good for the eyes like holland plays in these two matches. In the past holland had great teams but not the mentality in the big matches and for that reason not won anything just rescpect fot play "cool" but in this case can see a team with another mentality because when france push to them in the second half holland find the way for end the match and kill all french hopes, i want see them in the quarters.....:)

Good work Van basten.

Trezeguet is smiling right now....

Adriano@10
13 Jun 08, 23:01
Two very nice games today.
Sadly Italy only drew but they had a good game and i hope we now beat France to go on to the quaters.

And Holland what can i say they ve played great so far van basten made all the critics shout up.

And i think we clarly saw that domenech is a complete fool I mean the defence was soo slow and bad organised and Domenech leaves Mexes at home how stupid can a man be??

shahz_nerazzurri
13 Jun 08, 23:04
It was indeed beautiful to watch the Dutch team play.
The class of Sneijder, Van Der Vaart, RVN, Robben!!, simply amazing.
Robben is such a good player, if only he can keep himself fit for a couple of games.

And I dont know why the Italians are crying about the refs. That goal was just marginally onside. Its so hard for the linesmen in this situation. If they were good enough, they should have beaten Romania anyways.

I think the dutch might loose to Romania. They have nothing to play for. And they might wanna knock off two of the favourites for the title.

Cro Nerazzurro
13 Jun 08, 23:11
Holand wont win this Euro. They wont get to final either:)
But its joy to watch them

I just hope Italy doesnt go thru

Pajo
13 Jun 08, 23:47
I am impressed by Holland...:) Now they are my favourites for winning this EURO...

And they are in our group for the qualifications for WC 2010...:scared:

Mustafa
14 Jun 08, 00:57
What a performance from Holland. They're on fire and won the group. So it's likely that they will rest most of their players next game and Romania will be able to win or at least get a point.

France and Italy will probably share points as well and both will go home.

Did any of you before the tournament would put a £1 on Romania qualifying from the group :D

Alex de Large
14 Jun 08, 01:03
Honestly, the bench offensive players are as good as the starters :D , even if they don't want to win vs Rumania they have a good chance to win it.

Van Nistelrooy-Kuyt-Van der vaart. (i understand Van Basten don't play Robben or Van Persie as starters despite his talent, this trio play very good together as a team and also play defense)

Huntelaar-Robben-Van Persie.

Cro Nerazzurro
14 Jun 08, 01:26
I predicted Romania would end group with 3 draws...
So far, its going that way, so this aint suprising for me.
all congrats for Holland total football, I love it but am sure they wont win it.

Choppin Onions
14 Jun 08, 01:54
Italia and France are screwed regardless of who wins. Van Basten and the Dutch will throw the game against Romania guaranteed. There's no way they wanna see France or Italy qualify and possibly face them down the line.

As for the games themselves (well just the Italy-Romania game) Italy was robbed after that Toni goal that was disallowed at the end of the 1st half. In all my years of supporting the Azzurri I've never seen the defense look so soft. Panucci as a CD tells you all you need to know about how far the talent has dropped off at that position. And Zambrotta's defensive mistake was just brutal. He'll fit right on in with Bilan and their UEFA Cup aspirations. As a final note, Del Piero is almost useless with the national team. Always has been, always will be. Cassano must start against the Frogs.

Gonna watch the Netherlands-France game now. Only saw the highlights so far and it looks rather tasty.

brehme1989
14 Jun 08, 09:17
Start watching after the 25th minute ;)

Before the Euro, I proclaimed Switzerland, Croatia and Romania, the underdogs which I would support. So far, only the hosts have been knocked out, I see Croatia going very far(final that is) and Romania going at least to the quarters against Spain(if they beat Sweden that is, though it's quite easy I guess) and I see them beating Sweden if it's them that go first.

Ziyad
14 Jun 08, 09:40
My GOD the Dutch-French put on a great game!!!

Holland looked absolutely fantastic.Probably the only way you can get a result against them is by throwing everything and pressuring them in their own side.Problem is thats where they can make you pay as their counter attack game is superior to anything i have seen in this championship...

Another amazing thing about Holland is the team spirit..I never saw their team happy all over without any kind of tension within camp.NEVER!! They always had problems.This time around they even brought their wives/GF with their kids to the stadium.Thats a nice touch to avoid any kind of problems.For those of you who dont know this the team Cruyff played for before one of the finals against Germany had stories leaked out about womanization in camp.You can imagine the instability that caused for the players from their families on the eve of the game...

Anyways back to the game,France played well but i still think Domenech is such an arrogant stupid coach.He had the audacity after the game to say that he didnt do anything wrong,and that his lineup was great.I wonder what Mexes is feeling seeing Thuram slowness kill France,or Trez seeing his team lacking that scoring touch...

Yes France has a very decent penalty claim.Still though Domenech is a horrible coach with his lineup and killing players confidence like Benzema.Not being able to utilize Henry well or relying on oldies like Thuram.

lonewolf19
14 Jun 08, 09:46
De Rossi whining again




De Rossi Wants Consistency, Abete Demands Uefa Apology


"The worst thing is the lack of consistency in the decision-making,” fumed De Rossi after the controversial 1-1 draw that saw Luca Toni denied a perfectly legitimate goal.

"After five days we still don’t know if [Ruud] van Nistelrooy’s goal was truly valid under the rules or not.”

"As for our goal today, it was clearly valid and we deserved to win, having had at least 10 shots on target."

Meanwhile, Italian Football Association (FIGC) chief Giancarlo Abete was in no mood to lay off UEFA, who had come in and clarified the Van Nistelrooy goal.

"I think UEFA at the highest level wanted to confirm Ruud Van Nistelrooy’s goal was valid, so they won’t have a problem confirming that the errors today were indeed mistakes," said Abete, mincing no words at the European Football governing body."

"It would be very strange to do otherwise,” continued the FA chief.

"I expect UEFA to evaluate the incidents and maintain consistency. If they are going to take responsibility for all the refereeing decisions, then they should do so when they are right or wrong. They cannot just come out and comment when it is in their favour."

"Going into the break 1-0 up would’ve made it a different game. To be honest, most of the incidents did not go our way, as the goal was valid and Romania’s penalty seemed at the very least dubious.

"Nonetheless, we should praise the Azzurri for a good performance and look forward to the next game with France.”

The future looks bleak for the Azzurri, but Abete insists that the fight is still on.

“We are still in the race and will wait to see the result of Holland-France before focusing on the final match. A victory could send us through and we hope it will still be in our hands,” he concluded.

Ziyad
14 Jun 08, 10:20
^^ Toni's goal was 100% valid.Its bad enough the linesman give goals when they are offside,its worse when they cancel out valid goals because they mistake them for being offside..

Mustafa
14 Jun 08, 10:23
Honestly, the bench offensive players are as good as the starters :D , even if they don't want to win vs Rumania they have a good chance to win it.

Van Nistelrooy-Kuyt-Van der vaart. (i understand Van Basten don't play Robben or Van Persie as starters despite his talent, this trio play very good together as a team and also play defense)

Huntelaar-Robben-Van Persie.

You've got a point, but as they have already won the group they will pla an open game. I'm not saying that they will be playing to lose, just they will consider this game as a friendly, so Romania has a real chance of qualifying.

I think that Romania can qualify if they lose and Italy and France draw their game.

Cro Nerazzurro
14 Jun 08, 10:23
Its a shame regular goal was dissalowed...But its not first one on this Euro, and its not a last one, I hate what I read today is that refs. are against Italy, and are doing everything to stop them, cause its BULLSHIT!

Itly has what they deserved, 1 point, and althouhgt they had regular goal dissalowed, they cant blame refs too much...

Sassuolu
14 Jun 08, 13:03
They can't blame refs too much? Italy dominated the game got a goal at a vital time of the game which was annulled. Italy were screwed plain and simple, it's the damn ref's fault toni was a meter onside these mistakes are just pathetic and could cost italy their Euro. Italy deserved the 3 points yesterday and imo they were screwed out of them.

Adriano@10
14 Jun 08, 13:26
They can't blame refs too much? Italy dominated the game got a goal at a vital time of the game which was annulled. Italy were screwed plain and simple, it's the damn ref's fault toni was a meter onside these mistakes are just pathetic and could cost italy their Euro. Italy deserved the 3 points yesterday and imo they were screwed out of them.

Well of course it s also the refs fault coz the goal was clearly onside and i really wonder how he could not see this.
But still italy should have won anyway they can also blame themselves cos they still had the chances to score another 2-3 goals but they did not manage to do so so in the end it s not all the ref s fault.

thomas_inter
14 Jun 08, 14:19
What I liked so, so much about Ruud van Nistelrooij in the match against Italy is that he got touched by Buffon, almost falls, but retakes himself and tries to get's the ball... Really great...

Every Toni, Gilardino, Cruz, Adriano, Henry, Shefchenko, Mutu would fall and cry for a penalty...

I used to have nothing with our Orange squad, on WC 2006 I rather supported Italy, but now I'm proud on my national team again, what a performance so far...

Veel geluk jongens, ga ervoor...

Cro Nerazzurro
14 Jun 08, 14:51
Jose, I said goal was clear, and should stand, and they can blame ref for that, but they cant blame them too much cause they suck!
del Piero should have been sent off, he had to get yellow cards, but he didnt...refs suck, but it wasnt them to blame for Italy poor displays.

mexican_azzurri
14 Jun 08, 20:37
Donadoni is making mistakes by mistakes and italy gonna be out.....:wallbang: , i sure that holland gonna be use the second squad and gonna play without motivation vs a team that need the 3 points, so romania win and the last teams that play the World Cup final gonna say good bay...

thomas_inter
14 Jun 08, 22:36
Donadoni is making mistakes by mistakes and italy gonna be out.....:wallbang: , i sure that holland gonna be use the second squad and gonna play without motivation vs a team that need the 3 points, so romania win and the last teams that play the World Cup final gonna say good bay...

I wouldn't trust on that, "we" have something to prove against Romania since "we" only lost and drawed against them in the qualification. Besides that it isn't van Basten's style to do something like that.

mexican_azzurri
14 Jun 08, 22:42
I wouldn't trust on that, "we" have something to prove against Romania since "we" only lost and drawed against them in the qualification. Besides that it isn't van Basten's style to do something like that.

I dont say that van basten gonna say to him team "lost" or something like that but is obvious that them gonna be more relax and tranquil without pressure, but romania is thinking in win (i hope), with pressure and motivated of be the surprise in this group...

thomas_inter
14 Jun 08, 23:26
I dont say that van basten gonna say to him team "lost" or something like that but is obvious that them gonna be more relax and tranquil without pressure, but romania is thinking in win (i hope), with pressure and motivated of be the surprise in this group...

Then we agree!
It would be nice if Romania go's to the next round but also a pity because of Italy!

Mustafa
15 Jun 08, 00:56
Then we agree!
It would be nice if Romania go's to the next round but also a pity because of Italy!

Not pity, they deserve it. Even though I support Italy it's true that they are very bad at the moment. Half of the team is over 30 years old. Aren't there any young players in Italy?

P.S. Looks like Holland will win the EURO :yeay:

rockball
15 Jun 08, 04:05
Italy's youth team is probably the best in the world atm. Hope to see some of them next WC.

thomas_inter
15 Jun 08, 13:46
Not pity, they deserve it. Even though I support Italy it's true that they are very bad at the moment. Half of the team is over 30 years old. Aren't there any young players in Italy?

P.S. Looks like Holland will win the EURO :yeay:

Haha, we can't say that after 2 matches but Orange is giving a hell of a performance so far indeed... ;)

Mustafa
15 Jun 08, 13:49
Haha, we can't say that after 2 matches but Orange is giving a hell of a performance so far indeed... ;)

At the last World Cup they were too young. Now you have balanced team, good coach. Your main obstacle is likely to be Spain in the semis. You and Spain are my two main favourites. So I think winner of Holland-Spain semi-final will win the EURO. Both of them deserve it :)

thomas_inter
15 Jun 08, 13:50
At the last World Cup they were too young. Now you have balanced team, good coach. Your main obstacle is likely to be Spain in the semis. You and Spain are my two main favourites. So I think winner of Holland-Spain semi-final will win the EURO. Both of them deserve it :)

I totally agree with you, I love David Villa, but I think you get why I support Holland the most ;)

Mustafa
15 Jun 08, 13:58
I totally agree with you, I love David Villa, but I think you get why I support Holland the most ;)

I do, that's why I don't really support any national team these days apart from my home country, but we are shit in football anyway, lol :D

Luka
15 Jun 08, 14:29
Just wanted to say, that what a game that was. Holland - France.

It seems Holland will reach at least semis in a heartbeat. Good that they are that strong, cause I would never stad Spain or Portugal win it.

Hammoudi
15 Jun 08, 15:25
Domenech deserves the blame, I bet Mexes would have dealt with those strikers better and Clichy would be more effective than Evra/Abidal.

The commentator on Domenech: "He is a man of the arts. His passions include astrology and the theatre."

I don't know why, I laughed hard when I heared this and remembered Shahz and his gay accusations of Domenech and Vieira :lol:

brehme1989
15 Jun 08, 15:48
Domenech makes his players sits according to their zodiacs. I think someone in here posted that fact :P

lonewolf19
16 Jun 08, 05:14
Domenech makes his players sits according to their zodiacs. I think someone in here posted that fact :P

WTF you serious??
This is farking hilarious

Ziyad
16 Jun 08, 11:02
Dont know much about this but look at what Wiki writes about him



Domenech's management style has also raised eyebrows amongst players and fans. A keen amateur dramatist and astrologer, Domenech has admitted to distrusting Scorpios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpio_%28astrology%29), such as Robert Pirès (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pir%C3%A8s). This led to the choosing of Vikash Dhorasoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikash_Dhorasoo) who played an important part in qualifying but not in the finals. He later fell out with Dhorasoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikash_Dhorasoo) after he made a behind the scenes film called "Substitute".His decision to leave out FC Barcelona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona) star Ludovic Giuly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovic_Giuly) in favour of Franck Ribéry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franck_Rib%C3%A9ry), and subsequent refusal to explain that decision, left many French players and fans mystified. [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Domenech#cite_note-0). Domenech chose Pascal Chimbonda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_Chimbonda), a low-profile player with no international experience, for the squad. Domenech's selection for the France's World Cup squad was further criticised when he publicly announced that Fabien Barthez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabien_Barthez) would start ahead of Lyon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympique_Lyonnais) goalkeeper Grégory Coupet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A9gory_Coupet). This decision was met with derision in the French press and also led to Coupet walking out of the national squad before the tournament, though he was later to return. [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Domenech#cite_note-1) His exclusion of A.S Roma back bone defender, Philippe Mexès (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Mex%C3%A8s), has also raised a few eyebrowes. Mexès, named Hope of the year in 2000 and being an all star defender for A.S Roma since his arrival to the team, still has to participate in a competitive senior tournament under Domenech.


This guy is a joke..Could you imagine being dumped out of the team because of your sign!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dielaugh::dielaugh::dielaugh:

lonewolf19
16 Jun 08, 14:26
farking dumbass
he is so going to get sacked when France fail to qualify from group stage this time.

brehme1989
16 Jun 08, 15:17
He supposedly has signed for Lyon before the Euro. That's why Perrin was sacked despite winning the double, coz Domenech had accepted. We'll see if it's true

shahz_nerazzurri
16 Jun 08, 15:47
Why are Italy and France crying so much over what Holland does in the final game?

They have already qualified as the group leaders, this game is nothing more than a firendly to them, why the fuc*k should they care about Italy & France? They have every right to play a reserve squad in this game. To keep their first team more fit, and to give the reserves a chance to show what they have got.

If Italy and France are in this position, they only have themselves to blame for it.

Honestly Italian whine way too much, probably only second to English. Just one wrong offside decision, and the whining still hasnt stopped.

brehme1989
16 Jun 08, 16:36
It's mostly made up of juve and milan players, who are used to getting favoured, and now there are many roma players too, who are used to whining. You do the math

lonewolf19
17 Jun 08, 05:45
It's mostly made up of juve and milan players, who are used to getting favoured, and now there are many roma players too, who are used to whining. You do the math

Haha this is great. We never see Matrix or Grosso (ex-inter) whining about ref rule often :cool:

Wittmann
17 Jun 08, 10:17
Grosso isn't in Inter anymore while Materazzi is probably the worst Azzurri player..I'll do the math for you - the contribution of Inter players to Italy is zero.. :rolleyes:

Hammoudi
17 Jun 08, 11:53
the contribution of Inter players to Italy is zero.. :rolleyes:

This, really, is a compliment.

8ballmjg
17 Jun 08, 12:13
Hi guys, why did Italy choose Roberto Donadoni as there new coach, how as he good. He only coached livorna,genoa ,lecce in 3-4 years.

Why him?

Luka
17 Jun 08, 14:53
There wasn't anybody else available.

They would take Ancelotti, but Ancelotti doesn't want to leave Milan yet. They would maybe get Mancini, but Mancini was at his prime at the moment. Capello at Real Madrid, Lippi out, Spaletti at Roma.

They were out of options.

M.Adnan
17 Jun 08, 16:31
This, really, is a compliment.

:D :star:

110% true.

shahz_nerazzurri
17 Jun 08, 17:47
Holland team to play Romania:

Stekelenburg; Boulahrouz, Bouma, Heitinga, De cler; De Zeeuw, Engelaar; Van Persie, Afellay, Robben; Huntelaar


9 Changes to the team that started against France. No VDV, RVN, Sjneider, Kuyt, Van Bronckhorst, a completely new defence except for Boulahrouz, really isnt going to impress Italy or France.


Still, this dutch attack is easily capable of breaching any defence. Robben we all know what he can do. Hunteelar playing his first game in the tournament, Afellay is a great PSV AM.
Unless Van Basten specifically told his team to loose the game, I think even with this team they should be able to beat Romania, or atleast get a tie with them.

Ziyad
17 Jun 08, 18:12
Holland doesnt owe them anything...I would imade changes that ensures i lost to get two fierce competitors out.YOu might say both France and Italy arent in great shape which i would agree to.They dont deserve to qualify,but if you allow them to qualify they will get better and it will come back to haunt you...

Alex de Large
17 Jun 08, 18:16
Boulahrouz and Engelaar are the only one who started in the last 2 games, lol.

i like the italia formation, but perrota should be there instead of ambrosini (crap and gay player)

shahz_nerazzurri
17 Jun 08, 18:20
Perrotta is playing instead of Ambrosini.

AntonTheGreat
17 Jun 08, 18:29
wow, who would have though italia would be put in a position where they have to beat France and hope romania looses. It's almost sad and makes you ponder how they won the world cup. HMMMMMM hahhaha Italia, you broke my heart this year you freakin bunch of panzies. Blame the coach all you want, the players were shit. I'm chearin on romania holland and croatia now. WOOT WOOT

A.l.i
17 Jun 08, 19:00
Grosso isn't in Inter anymore while Materazzi is probably the worst Azzurri player..I'll do the math for you - the contribution of Inter players to Italy is zero.. :rolleyes:

The name's "Internazionale" Jackass. :veiled:

p.s Who made this shitty poll above??

Adam
17 Jun 08, 19:39
Toni has definitly been the fvck up of the tournament. He's had millions of chances in every match and yet he hasn't scored. Best forward in the World my ass.

Cassano on the other hand has been immense. I'd like to see him in a Black & Blue jersey, regardless of his behaviour. The kid's a genius.

Alex de Large
17 Jun 08, 20:35
Well, Italy is Italy.
Spain-Italy, i guess we are out 95% LOL

Luka
17 Jun 08, 20:41
Domenech is a fuckin looser. He can blame himself.

No Trezeguet, no Frey (LOL), no Mexes (bigger LOL). This dude is crazy. He hates Italian guts or something, and italians just killed his team.

Cassano in italian team played great, great vision, great passes, no wonder Italy played good every time he was on the pitch. Also some credit to Buffon and De Rossi today.

And agreed with XL. Toni wasted so many chances, I can't believe it. But I wouldn't play down his ability. He hasn't scored from easy chances, but we know he can do it, and the fact that he finds himself in those situations means he is still a great striker.

ps. Benzema played amazing today, especially the work rate of his, and how much he ran today. He sucked in first game, but he played great today, definetly the best french player on the pitch.


Well, Italy is Italy.
Spain-Italy, i guess we are out 95% LOL
Haha ;)

Don't get this wrong, but I hope you're right :P

Italy is just like Germans. Those are so called "tournaments teams". The play better from game to game. I can't stand Germany, but I hate Portugese guts more.

Suneet
17 Jun 08, 21:34
Trust me its Spain who are scared. Yes they play better football and they are playing better than Italy, but this is Italia. I woudnt bet on Spain for the game. I doubt Spain's defence will be that strong.

Azzkikr
17 Jun 08, 21:38
Italy are without both Pirlo and Gattuso against spain.

So its de rossi, ambrosini, perotta and Camo against spain :howler: Id be surprised if they manage to create a single goal chance, Pirlo is everything Italy got, playing without him means zero creativity from midfield.

Thats the worst midfield ive ever seen, Italy will get hammered no doubt.

Luka
17 Jun 08, 22:00
As always, you are exagarating Azz. Maybe Aqcuilani will play, and that will add some creativity to cover Pirlos loss. De Rossi also isn't Gattuso typeof player, he can find a partner, and pass some killer ball on the wing. Sure he isn't as precise as Pirlo, but he is doing it from time to time.

Also, I expect Cassano to be again behind the pair of strikers. I saw more of a chances(not gameplay, just the last dish type of passes) created by Cassano, than by Pirlo, so don't say they won't create anything.

:P

It's the same story as with us, Inter. They played almost the same midfield against Holland, when they sucked big time, as they played today, or agains Romania. I mean, you won't find Xavi, Iniesta, or Fabregas there, but they still played a lot better, despite having the same midfield, who you would call "half" of Spain midfield or such.

Going back to the Italy vs Spain, it's all about teamplay in big games, as it always is. Spain has a lot of individuals, but it's hardly a TEAM as Italy usually is. In Italy it's more about the compact play, teamplay, to play as a team. When Italy wins, it's more of a team effort, rather than of individuals. While when Spain won in the first game, who was it? Villa, Villa, Villa :P

It's teamwork that counts the most in such a tournaments, and Italy is always there in top 4 or so, because italian football, is all about the tactics, and that is all about the teamplay, not fancy play(Spain). That's why Spain strugle in Euro's/WC's, while Italy usually, despite not having "dream teams" they do great.

Simple actually ;)

NimAraya
17 Jun 08, 22:04
Great performance by Italia and they really deserved to go through. And I really have no ida what the fuuck is wrong with Luca Toni in this tornoument?!! If he was the same Toni I think Italia could go through sooner than this and even beat France with 3,4 goal lead!

shahz_nerazzurri
17 Jun 08, 23:17
Gattusso has been so piss poor, I dont think Italy will miss him at all. Pirlo is another story. He is the most technically gifted midfielder Italy has had in the past 10 years. Didnt understand why Donadoni subbed him in the 50th minute. He already had been ruled out of the Spain game.

As much as I think, that Aquilani is overrated, I would much rather have him start than Ambrosini. I always find it so hard to support the Azzurri's when Ambrosini is starting.

DeRossi is a beast. I hate this guy cause of all of his whining, but his game play is just brilliant. The way he was commanding the Italian midfield after Pirlo left was pleasing. I dont know what kind of idiotic coach would not play this guy in his lineup. Donadoni should get slapped around for not starting him against Holland.

Big ups to Perrotta as well. He is a very hard working midfielder. Kind of like Deki (just 20 times better). I prefer him in the team rather than Ambrosinis, Gattusos or Camos.

Cassano was okay, much better than Delpiero. He still has a lot to do to justify the hype he gets, but good game from the guy. He should start the next game, with out a doubt.

Toni's finishing was god awful today. I lost count of the chances he missed today, but he is still better than any other options. The fact is that he was getting himself in to position to score, and thats something none of the other strikers would have been able to do. His control on the ball which led to the penalty was simply amazing.

It wasnt a stunning performance for the Azzurri's. Luck and Domenech had a lot to do with it. France losing thier best player in the 10th minute, then getting down to 10 men, for more than an hour of the game. Mexes must be kicking himself.
France doesnt have many good CBs, yet he persisted with dropping Mexes, and trying the patnership of Gallas and an age old thuram. Ofcourse Thuram was never gonna work, he needs to replace him. He himself knows that his other two CBs, Boumsong and Squillaci are crap. What does he do? He transforms Abidal in to a CB!!!!. If you dont trust your reserves CB, WHY THE FU*CK WOULD YOU BRING THEM, AND KEEP MEXES AT HOME???

I think his hate for Italian based players, worked in Italy's hand today. It would have been a much different and a much better French squad with Mexes, Flamini, Trezeguet and Frey in it.

shahz_nerazzurri
18 Jun 08, 00:18
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b121/shahz121/attachment.jpg


:D

Alex de Large
18 Jun 08, 00:26
Pirlo is so overrated, De Rossi alone can do his job and Gattuso job even better.
De Rossi - Perrotta - Aquilani = second place,
Ambrosini - Pirlo - Gattuso = 5th place.

Italy like Inter, Spain like Roma. Guess who will win.

mexican_azzurri
18 Jun 08, 02:43
Uhh, romania dissapoint me them had the opportunity to made history in the Euro but the what that play was so cold, the pressure was so much???.....


Italia oh italia, why you want suffer without reason??, now italia goes to Spain, i really dont know who gonna be the winner.....60-50 % Spain-Italia, i hope a good game of both.

Bes
18 Jun 08, 05:52
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Luka
18 Jun 08, 06:19
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:D
Haha. Holy sh1t :D

NimAraya
18 Jun 08, 06:24
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:D

What a pic!! Means alot.

Ziyad
18 Jun 08, 06:42
Domenech is one of the stupidist coaches...Ever.I dont think i even have to go over the reasons they are so clear to everyone.

Congrats Italy and I hope they knockout Spain now..

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lonewolf19
18 Jun 08, 14:54
Glad France learn some lesson by hiring that stupid coach. France deserve to be out of the tournament. Compliments to Holland by playing their own football and congratz to Italy.

Azzkikr
18 Jun 08, 15:33
Going back to the Italy vs Spain, it's all about teamplay in big games, as it always is. Spain has a lot of individuals, but it's hardly a TEAM as Italy usually is. In Italy it's more about the compact play, teamplay, to play as a team. When Italy wins, it's more of a team effort, rather than of individuals. While when Spain won in the first game, who was it? Villa, Villa, Villa :P

It's teamwork that counts the most in such a tournaments, and Italy is always there in top 4 or so, because italian football, is all about the tactics, and that is all about the teamplay, not fancy play(Spain). That's why Spain strugle in Euro's/WC's, while Italy usually, despite not having "dream teams" they do great.

Simple actually ;)

This would make alot more sense if not for the fact that Brazil are 5 times world champions...

Spain are just chokers, they start out blazing and then disappoint. However this year they seem alot more focussed and have an amazing team really.

I dont see Italy having a chance here, especially without pirlo and gattuso.

Spains midfielders are too good on the ball, they will control the game from start to finish without a doubt. Their defense is shaky at times tho and Ramos has been a disaster so far in the tournament. Italy will surely get some chances, but with Toni wasting everything it doesnt look good.

De Rossi will have to have the game of his life if Italy is to beat spain, and obviously Toni has to score on his chances as well.

I hope Italy wins, as i have bet money on them as Euro08 winners, but Spain together with Portugal are big favourites really, so it will be a very hard match. I would have prefered Italy facing them in the Semi's instead.

Luka
18 Jun 08, 16:01
This would make alot more sense if not for the fact that Brazil are 5 times world champions...

Ofcourse I knew about Brasil example when I wrote my post.

You're right here. That would make a lot more sense if that wasn't the case here.

But... we are all well aware, brasilians are freaks of football, the best gifted, talented and technical players are grown there, and the best polish players ever, wouldn't even get on the bench for one of their national teams(Well, maybe Boniek).

Spain is like Brasil, just a worse model, so the chance of someone making some wondergoal, or action, that wins the game, is so much smaller.

We all remember how Brasil played in Germany right. They tried to do what Italians are doing, and they failed miserable, because most of us know that when it goes to the team, and teamplay Italy is one of the best in this(along with Germans).

As for the following game of Spain vs Italy, I also expect Spain to be more dominant side(in tearms of ball posesion). But Italians are pesky little buggers, and when they play right, they are like a famous "Bus parked in front of a goal", as "someone" onced said. The only difference, is that it's not just in front of the goal, but rather it starts from the halfline.

It all seems as the same story all over again. Spain and Holland were the most impressive sides now, and they usually are in the group stages, but when it comes to the knockout games, there is where Italy and Germany enters. These are the best of the best in those type of matches. I think one of those two(Spa/Por) will be heading home after quarter finals.

Luka
18 Jun 08, 18:01
And the stats also prove it, as it is mentioned in belows article.

Heck. Even their own nation has doubts of progressing.



The Spanish press, and the Spanish nation in general, believe that the country have no chance of defeating Italy in this Sunday’s Euro 2008 quarter final.

The two European giants will meet in the last eight after Italy sneaked through last night on the back of a 2-0 win over France.

While Spain are certainly in better form going into the game, Italy have an outstanding record against them, having not lost a competitive game against La Seleccion since 1920.

"Oh Mamma Mia!", was the headline of the newspaper El Mundo.

"They are an invincible enemy," wrote Publico.

ABC meanwhile are worried that the notorious slow-starters Italy are building up speed just at the right time.

The Spanish population as a whole are also not to confident of their nation’s chances of success, and 60 per cent, according to an Internet poll published by the newspaper El Pais, believe that Italy will win the game.

The match will be played on June 22, which is considered as something of a “cursed” day in Spain, as it was on this exact day that they were eliminated in three penalty shootouts, against Belgium in the 1986 World cup, against England at EURO 1996 and against South Korea at the 2002 World Cup.

Azzkikr
18 Jun 08, 18:17
I know, and they should, since they always choke, just like Holland.

But this year is different.

Italy is hardly the class squad they were a few years ago. Totti most importantly is gone, and now Pirlo and Gattuso are suspended from this game. Toni has missed 250 good chances as well, and their defense is hardly worldclass anymore. Its not Nesta - canna(or matrix in form) anymore, its Panucci/barzagli - Chiellini, hardly a defense that scares an in-form Villa in any way thats for sure. On top of that, Donadoni is hardly a tactician that can make the difference either.

Italy simply doesnt have worldclass players all over anymore, and their team doesnt gell like it used to either.

They are deffinetly huge underdogs for this game, they will most likely be sendt packing and Donadoni get his dismissal after this game.

rockball
18 Jun 08, 18:35
I would prefer to have reports saying Spain are confident this time and Italy are not good. They haven't got the players and the important ones are out suspended.

Hate to say it, but this could be the time when Spain do beat Italy.

Luka
18 Jun 08, 19:15
Italy is hardly the class squad they were a few years ago. Totti most importantly is gone, and now Pirlo and Gattuso are suspended from this game. Toni has missed 250 good chances as well, and their defense is hardly worldclass anymore. Its not Nesta - canna(or matrix in form) anymore, its Panucci/barzagli - Chiellini, hardly a defense that scares an in-form Villa in any way thats for sure. On top of that, Donadoni is hardly a tactician that can make the difference either.

I can easily agree with all of that.

As the rest of your post, I can't say the same, but it's not like I'm completely disagreeing, or don't know what are you pointing at.



Italy simply doesnt have worldclass players all over anymore, and their team doesnt gell like it used to either.

They don't have as many world class players as they used to, but that's where the teamplay comes in place. Spain had on most of the tournaments one of the bests, and still flop each and mostly everytime.

They didn't gell well up to now, agreed. But I said already, Italy and Germany is the type of a team, that's playing better and better over the games. That's their strength, because with everygame, their teamplay improves, and it is on top in the final stages.

I think they will be at their best in the game against Spain, and if they will get past them, they will be better in semi-final, and reach their peak in the final.

But I must agree, Spain looks very impressive this year.



They are deffinetly huge underdogs for this game[...]
They do? I think that article points out at the other direction. (?)

Azzkikr
18 Jun 08, 19:34
That article means jackshit.

Every bookmaker in the world will agree that spain are comfortable favourites.

Luka
18 Jun 08, 19:44
Well maybe Spain will be favourites. But that will make Italy slight underdogs, not huge underdogs.

But I don't think it will happen. Spain was monstrous in group stages, but that's not the first time, they've done that, and bookies knows this well. Also group stages will be over after today, and won't matter anymore, now it is a knockout games, and Italy has HUGE, huge, experience in those, and bookies knows this also.

You make me wonder, and probably check the bookies before that game, because I'm curious to see, if I'm just a little right :>

Hammoudi
18 Jun 08, 21:48
Spain will beat themselves it seems, I agree with Luka that their confidence is low the second they knew they will face Italy. Technically speaking, Spain should win, but Italy has the pedigree to beat anyone even if Gli Azzurri are playing with 5 men.

If Italy beat Spain, then I think they will make it all the way to the final. Like I mentioned after their first game, they start slowly but make it somehow.

Alex de Large
18 Jun 08, 21:57
Spain don't have no one like De Rossi or Toni, we will lose.

rockball
18 Jun 08, 23:18
All this talk that is underplaying Spain will do them a lot of good. They themselves don't believe they can beat Italy. But this time it just might happen.