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2T
26 Sep 04, 12:30
A hard question to answer why didn't we win the scudetto for 15 years ?


some may say we didn't have stable team to win. i agree with that but why we didn't have a stable team ?

the answer without a doubt is juve with them cheating all the time we lost many scudetti we deserved. if we got even one scudetto that will rise our management faith in the players and we wouldn't that amount of players every year.

so the point is i will make this thread to count how many points juve will steal this seasons.

in their last game they cheated and scored a goal which actually was offside

juve: 1 point so far

i would appreciate it if someone tell me how many points they stole in the first two games thnx

2T
26 Sep 04, 15:27
http://raadi2005.jeeran.com/DzlItem1156.jpg


its clear offside :yuck:

Ziyad
26 Sep 04, 15:37
As if this is the only incident :yuck:

We havent won because we make one good step infront then take two back...Pick a recent season and we will all be able to pin point the those steps..This in addition to that season where we should have won but the ref liked Juve more and disregarded our penalty appeals and gave them a dubious one..

Miki
26 Sep 04, 16:45
some may say we didn't have stable team to win. i agree with that but why we didn't have a stable team ?

the answer without a doubt is juve with them cheating all the time we lost many scudetti we deserved. if we got even one scudetto that will rise our management faith in the players and we wouldn't that amount of players every year.
How can you just point at Juventus and say that they are the cause of Inter's lack of successes in the past decade or so? True, they have had dubious wins playing against Inter on a couple of occassions, but the truth by far is that Inter were the ones that screwed themselves out of championship contention. I know you wish to look for a culprit to explain Inter's abyssmal failure, but none are to be found except for the club itself. If we have had proper management, intelligent transfers and more patient fans, i am sure the situation would be wholly different than the status quo.

The lack of stability has nothing to do with Juventus. If other teams besides Inter can maintain stability and still win the scudetto (Lazio, Roma, Milan), then why is Inter the only ones whose stability (or lack of it) is inappropriately due to Juventus' "cheating" methods? :rolleyes:

Ciao,
Tim

Gismo
26 Sep 04, 16:52
I totally agree that itīs our own fault! Except one season: Season of Poison. ;)

We did our best but Gobbi bribed the ref and beat us through that. Had we gotten that penalty things could easily have gone different. The reality is also that winning il Scudetto means doing better than Milan and Juventus who cheats at times of their choosing. Inter donīt have that special dirty weapon.

But itīs so true that if Roma can win why the hell canīt we? The aswer lies in Timīs post IMO + lack of wining mentality and nervousness as a result of destiny. One last prouble weīve had is players who lacked affection for our club and therefore not giving their best.

2T
26 Sep 04, 17:13
well how many season have we ended in second place behind juve if they didn't cheat and have like 12 points free we would have won a couple of scudetti and moratti wouldn't have been mad trying to buy every player availabe in the planet

2T
26 Sep 04, 17:17
The lack of stability has nothing to do with Juventus. If other teams besides Inter can maintain stability and still win the scudetto (Lazio, Roma, Milan), then why is Inter the only ones whose stability (or lack of it) is inappropriately due to Juventus' "cheating" methods? :rolleyes:

Ciao,
Tim

because we have a moron (moratti) who thinks buying is the easiest way to success if we had won the scudetto back in 98 moratti wouldn't buy so many players which affect us until now and affect our stability

Miki
26 Sep 04, 17:19
well how many season have we ended in second place behind juve if they didn't cheat and have like 12 points free we would have won a couple of scudetti and moratti wouldn't have been mad trying to buy every player availabe in the planet
Are you talking about the Moratti era? Then that's just twice, the first in 97/98, and the other in 01/02. I am sure you knew what happened in 97/98 but the events of 01/02 were definitely not anybody else's fault. The only club that screwed Inter out of a scudetto in that season were themselves.

Ciao,
Tim

2T
26 Sep 04, 17:26
Are you talking about the Moratti era? Then that's just twice, the first in 97/98, and the other in 01/02. I am sure you knew what happened in 97/98 but the events of 01/02 were definitely not anybody else's fault. The only club that screwed Inter out of a scudetto in that season were themselves.

Ciao,
Tim


after what happened in 98 moratti become mad and started (still) buy/sell players which affect our stability since 98 until now so i would say the events of 01/02 is just a result of what happened in 97/98

Miki
26 Sep 04, 17:28
because we have a moron (moratti) who thinks buying is the easiest way to success if we had won the scudetto back in 98 moratti wouldn't buy so many players which affect us until now and affect our stability
We already had loads of stars in the summer of 1997 before Inter started their championship challenge under Luigi Simoni. Or did you forget that the summer of 1997 saw players such as Ronaldo, Diego Simeone, Francesco Moriero and Taribo West arrive at the San Siro?

My whole point is that Juventus weren't the ones who were responsible for Inter's problems. Moratti's frantic buying spree already started before the season the infamous 97/98 season. I am not disputing the fact that Juventus have had some role in Inter's problematic past decade, but they are in no where the chief culprits as you have made them out to be. Why won't you accept the fact that Inter are the ones who have created their own problems?

Ciao,
Tim

Miki
26 Sep 04, 17:32
after what happened in 98 moratti become mad and started (still) buy/sell players which affect our stability since 98 until now so i would say the events of 01/02 is just a result of what happened in 97/98
Sure, the season of 97/98 might have affected us mentally. But they are in no ways the major factor behind Inter's decline. Moratti was already a fan obsessed with bringing the best to the club to play entertaining football.

Also, you were using the 97/98 season as the factor behind Inter's lack of proper continuity and stability since then. However, your whole thread started with this post -


the answer without a doubt is juve with them cheating all the time we lost many scudetti we deserved. if we got even one scudetto that will rise our management faith in the players and we wouldn't that amount of players every year.
So as you can see, blaming them for a stability problem after 97/98 is wholly different from accusing them of cheating all the time, something that has caused Inter to lose many scudetti that we supposedly deserved.

Ciao,
Tim

2T
26 Sep 04, 17:57
moratti have been in charge of inter for 8 years which make him the symbol of inter failure in the past 15 years.

and what made him such a loser is his madness which juve created by cheating

Gismo
26 Sep 04, 18:28
You actually think his madness is due to Gobbiīs cheating? To me itīs simple, really. Heīs just born a poor President. ;)

He only won a UEFA Cup title since he took over as far as I remember. Itīs not good enough and he should sell the club to a person who would do better! Or as the only alternative start making sense.

2T
26 Sep 04, 18:41
You actually think his madness is due to Gobbiīs cheating? To me itīs simple, really. Heīs just born a poor President. ;)

.

if we won that scudetto everyone would have praised moratti back then and described him as inter saviour yet juve ruined everything


you could feel how much he hate juve for that



MORATTI: "JUVE VS. INTER IS EVERYTHING."
Saturday, 01 March 2003 14:21:03
MILAN - (ANSA) - Nerazzurri president Massimo Moratti considers tomorrow's Italy derby match between Juventus and Inter the mother of all matches, but a "semi-final" rather than a final.

"Galliani and AC Milan shouldn't get angry - the derby counts for a lot, but Juve vs. Inter is everything," said Moratti, who regards the clash between the Bianconeri and the Nerazzurri the history of football. "Juve vs. Inter is history, not news," continued Moratti. "I consider it a great weight we have to lift. It sums up the fascination and argumentative nature of our football. More than Juve vs. Roma, which is too recent as a Scudetto clash and more than the Milan derby. It's not the Italy derby just by chance. For me and my family, Juve have always been the most important reference against which we can measure our ambitions."

But Moratti's not expecting a calm match. "Neither us nor they are going through a happy time. We'll all have to make sure that it becomes such, over and above the cunning jokes and the controversies."

Paparesta was the name that came out of the hat to referee tomorrow night's big match. Moratti: "It's a very intelligent draw. Jokes apart, he refereed the last derby very well. I'm pleased. On this subject, they talk about me by saying that it's too convenient to criticise referees when you lose. In Barcelona we let in three, we finished with a man less, but that Frisk did very well."

Gismo
26 Sep 04, 18:49
And what is your argument? That because Moratti think the Italy derby is a match of historic proportions?

What has this interview got to do with Morattiīs performance as President and owner of Inter? :)

2T
26 Sep 04, 18:56
And what is your argument? That because Moratti think the Italy derby is a match of historic proportions?

What has this interview got to do with Morattiīs performance as President and owner of Inter? :)

its not an arguement its just an info :D

Gismo
26 Sep 04, 18:57
OK. But I cannot see how you can link Gobbiīs cheating with Morattiīs failure...

2T
26 Sep 04, 19:04
OK. But I cannot see how you can link Gobbiīs cheating with Morattiīs failure...



after what happened in 98 moratti become mad and started (still) buy/sell players which affect our stability since 98 until now so i would say the events of 01/02 is just a result of what happened in 97/98

as u can see moratti madness ( which actually because juve ) led to his failure

Gismo
26 Sep 04, 19:19
I donīt buy that at all. ;) Heīs born with no ablility to run a proffesional football club. I very much doubt that Season of Poison have made him worse...

If Iīm not wrong we changed a lot before that season too. I became Interista in 1997.

Maybe someone can tell me if we changed a lot before the 97/98 season too under Moratti? ;)

Frisko
27 Sep 04, 19:28
[quote=2T]How can you just point at Juventus and say that they are the cause of Inter's lack of successes in the past decade or so? True, they have had dubious wins playing against Inter on a couple of occassions,

:dielaugh: :dielaugh: :dielaugh:

Juve stole points all over Italy in the last 10 years, in 1998 so many times that I lost count.

Inter surely has lots of responsibilities for not winning for this long.

Pellegrini just lost his mind after the Scudetto in 1989, Bagnoli-Orrico just to mention a couple.

Moratti made his big mistakes to.

Players, they threw the 2002 title in the bin. Juve stole it from us in 1998.

A combination of bad management, bad luck and bad play really.

2T
27 Sep 04, 19:35
How can you just point at Juventus and say that they are the cause of Inter's lack of successes in the past decade or so? True, they have had dubious wins playing against Inter on a couple of occassions,

:dielaugh: :dielaugh: :dielaugh:

Juve stole points all over Italy in the last 10 years, in 1998 so many times that I lost count.

Inter surely has lots of responsibilities for not winning for this long.

Pellegrini just lost his mind after the Scudetto in 1989, Bagnoli-Orrico just to mention a couple.

Moratti made his big mistakes to.

Players, they threw the 2002 title in the bin. Juve stole it from us in 1998.

A combination of bad management, bad luck and bad play really.


i didn't write that : :wth:

Frisko
27 Sep 04, 19:39
I know 2T it was Tim, I screwed up the quote thingy :rolleyes:

2T
28 Sep 04, 02:26
hi guys

lets dedicate this thread to show how many points did steal milan and juve so far (inter may lose the scudetto because of such undeserved points )
i will post the table and update if they keep cheating ;)

week 1

milan 2-2 palermo



http://radi2005.jeeran.com/DzlItem555.jpg

a disallowed goal for palermo the match ended 2-2 and milan gotaway with undeserved point.


inter

http://albstani.jeeran.com/inter.jpg


a clear penalty for ( bobo ) inter yet paparesta did
the usual the macth ended 2-2 and inter lost 2 deserved point against chievo

if the this pic doesn't show up click here http://www.inter.it/aas/img/54741.jpg

week 2

inter 1-1 palermo

http://radi2005.jeeran.com/DzlItem795.jpg

another clear penalty for in inter but as usual the ref ignored it inter lost 2 deserved points

http://radi2005.jeeran.com/DzlItem780.jpg

a disallowed goal for palermo its a clear offside

week 3

juve 3-0 sampdoria

http://raadi2005.jeeran.com/DzlItem961.jpg

a clear foul against juve but the ref ignored it and juve scored undesrved goal

http://raadi2005.jeeran.com/DzlItem886.jpg

cannavaro was going to end this poor guy career

http://raadi2005.jeeran.com/DzlItem989.jpg

the ref decided to give sampdoria a penalty but somehow remembered its juve and he better not to f*ck with them the match should have ended 2-2 and juve stole the 2 points

week 4

juve 1-1 palermo

http://raadi2005.jeeran.com/DzlItem1156.jpg

undeserved draw for juve and they stole 1 point


milan 2-1 lazio

http://www.acmilan.ws/members/radi/DzlItem1321.jpg

http://www.acmilan.ws/members/radi/DzlItem1407.jpg


nesta should have sent off and he should banned for at least 2 games for such thing




note: our dear mods please keep this thread sticky

i changed the thread name

Jesse
28 Sep 04, 02:48
How about this for our lack of success?

Without a team that can gel under a consistent coach and consistent tactics, you will never find success. Just look at us, how many coaches in how many years? Rarely does a team win the championship in their first year with a new coach and I think Moratti must be patient before he plays the whole hire/fire game. Unless players are really bad, keep them. Just look at United in recent times. So many new players, but without any gel between them, the victories just won't come.

-Jesse

2T
28 Sep 04, 03:00
How about this for our lack of success?

Without a team that can gel under a consistent coach and consistent tactics, you will never find success. Just look at us, how many coaches in how many years? Rarely does a team win the championship in their first year with a new coach and I think Moratti must be patient before he plays the whole hire/fire game. Unless players are really bad, keep them. Just look at United in recent times. So many new players, but without any gel between them, the victories just won't come.

-Jesse

i changed this thread name because my real intention was to show how many points juve and milan will steal this season

Jesse
28 Sep 04, 03:16
Yeah, go right ahead, but remember, nobody on juve or merda's squad caused one of our strikers to hit the post or one of our defenders to miss his mark. :rolleyes:

Ziyad
28 Sep 04, 10:11
2T i agree with all the incidents u put excpet the Canna against Sampdoria one...It was shown over and over and its not a penalty,Canna took the ball brilliantly from the guy who fell...It was simply an awesome tackle on the ball,even though Canna was far away when he first broke out..

Handoyo
28 Sep 04, 16:25
I changed the name of the thread because it's a crime to abuse the Caps Lock.

Anyway, I have to say that 2T has a point, although I do not entirely agree with him. Let's take the infamous 97/98 Juve - Inter game as an example. What would have happened that season if Inter didn't concede the controversial penalty and win the match? We could have won the Scudetto. By winning the Scudetto, this will give a tremendous boost of confidence given to Luigi Simoni by Massimo Moratti for winning the Scudetto and UEFA Cup and it will be very unlikely for even Moratti himself to sack a Double-winning coach at the next season.

That is of course not the only example. I am sure there is a game in 01/02 which Juve or Roma won controversially, which would indirectly lead to them finishing below us, the eventual champion, in the standing. Cuper will still be the team's coach, Ronaldo will still be with Inter and the players would have developed a Juve-esque winning mentality.

A philosopher once said that an incident as small as a butterfly's wing being broken may lead to a huge change in the future. I am implying the same concept to the conspiracy theory that 2T is mentioning.

Of course, we should take a good look at ourselves in the mirror for we are the biggest culprit of this great black & blue plague over the last 15 years. But it is not totally wrong to find a scapegoat. The most important thing is not to get to dellusional with the conspiracy theories and to focus to improve ourselves such that no matter how many points they cheat, we will still win the Scudetto.


Hand;)yo

Frisko
28 Sep 04, 19:40
Great stuff 2T. And very good post Han Solo as well.

2T
28 Sep 04, 21:26
2T i agree with all the incidents u put excpet the Canna against Sampdoria one...It was shown over and over and its not a penalty,Canna took the ball brilliantly from the guy who fell...It was simply an awesome tackle on the ball,even though Canna was far away when he first broke out..


yea i overeacted in that one

cool_cuchu
02 Oct 04, 12:01
i wanna keep track ho many adavantages given to milan and juve...
somebody should makes a count......

somebody has posted the incidents, provided these incident not happening how milan and juve looked in the table..

Handoyo
02 Oct 04, 16:03
Well Yopi, that's a good idea. :star: The best solution that I can think of right now is that you keep updating your post (The one above this post) and I will copy & paste them to the first post of the topic (2T's post). Of course, if 2T would co-operate and allow us to keep editing his post. :)


Hand;)yo

cool_cuchu
02 Oct 04, 16:24
Okay, Han.. I will do that :)

2T
04 Oct 04, 00:21
week 5

Udinese - Juventus 0-1


http://img76.exs.cx/img76/3419/4934.jpg

as u all can see the udi defender tried to clear the ball but the ball hit juve player and went to nedved who was clearly off side


http://img25.exs.cx/img25/5205/10663.jpg

nedved challenged the defender and got a corner kick juve scored

Frisko
04 Oct 04, 18:53
From Gazzetta.it

39' Cribari is down, he has been hit by a head butt from Ibrahimovic. THe ref Farina didn't see it.

He should have been sent off. He could get a 2 weeks ban thanks to TV evidence.

If he does, no Del Dopo, no Trezeguet, no Zlatan. Depth huh? :dielaugh:

2T
04 Oct 04, 21:07
From Gazzetta.it

39' Cribari is down, he has been hit by a head butt from Ibrahimovic. THe ref Farina didn't see it.

He should have been sent off. He could get a 2 weeks ban thanks to TV evidence.

If he does, no Del Dopo, no Trezeguet, no Zlatan. Depth huh? :dielaugh:


http://img34.exs.cx/img34/6139/13273.jpg

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/8570/13274.jpg

btw he hit him twice

2T
04 Oct 04, 21:19
roma 3-3 inter


http://www.acmilan.ws/members/radi/DzlItem1450.jpg

imo : its a penalty


http://www.acmilan.ws/members/radi/DzlItem1449.jpg

should be penalty for us

http://www.acmilan.ws/members/radi/DzlItem1443.jpg

should be penalty for roma

http://www.inter.it/media/jpg/Part-3449-55900.jpg

should be a red card he didn't even got a yallow card
note: that a*s hole scored

http://www.acmilan.ws/members/radi/DzlItem1469.jpg

http://www.acmilan.ws/members/radi/DzlItem1473.jpg

roma third goal was offside on dallas wo made the pass to de rossi

2T
04 Oct 04, 22:22
Well Yopi, that's a good idea. :star: The best solution that I can think of right now is that you keep updating your post (The one above this post) and I will copy & paste them to the first post of the topic (2T's post). Of course, if 2T would co-operate and allow us to keep editing his post. :)


Hand;)yo

of course i don't mind :)

Gismo
05 Oct 04, 01:14
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/3419/4934.jpg

All right, here we go again. Sorry mate, but this is NOT an incorrect goal. ;)

The rules say that you canīt be offside if youīre not on the pitch, 2T. In this situation Nedved is onside.

2T
05 Oct 04, 01:27
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/3419/4934.jpg

All right, here we go again. Sorry mate, but this is NOT an incorrect goal. ;)

The rules say that you canīt be offside if youīre not on the pitch, 2T. In this situation Nedved is onside.


r u sure :confused:

Gismo
05 Oct 04, 01:38
100% sure. Iīve played soccer since I was 7 and Iīm 16 now which is why I know this. If the ball hit an Udinese player on itīs way out it is a corner.

2T
05 Oct 04, 02:07
it doesn't seem right anyway my friend will watch the analysis of this match tomorrow by experts they shall give a final answer

Frisko
05 Oct 04, 19:11
Of course Gismo is right 2T.

Great job on the head-butt pic :)

Gobbi scum :yuck:

Frisko
05 Oct 04, 19:21
Wait a second though.


nedved challenged the defender and got a corner kick juve scored

How could Nedved challenge the defender? He needed the ref permission to get back on the pitch, and that usually happens when play is very quiet... :confused:

Handoyo
05 Oct 04, 19:25
How could Nedved challenge the defender? He needed the ref permission to get back on the pitch, and that usually happens when play is very quiet... :confused:
Was Nedved taken out for any injury treatment or something or did he went out at the course of the play (Chasing the ball)? If it was the latter, he didn't need any permission I believe. ;)

Speaking of the headbutt, Zlatan was just either trying to be polite and greet him Japanese style or being hip-hop by mimicking Will Smith's Nod Your Head. :cool::p


Hand;)yo