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    Financial Fair Play

    I'm not sure if a thread has been created previously regarding FFP. (I could'nt be bothered looking for one)

    Below is the objectives as defined from the official document. FFP has been used as an item to criticise or praise Moratti's management (depending on which way you look at it) of the club. Do we honestly think FFP is something we should be concerned about ?

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    Clubs that breach finance rules may have Champions League cash seized

    • Ban on transfers has also been proposed by Uefa
    • Sanctions would extend to Europa League prize money

    Europe's elite clubs have formulated a proposal for tackling those in breach of Uefa's new financial fair play rules that would lead to transfer bans and Champions League and Europa League prize money being withheld.

    Although a new regulatory framework has been introduced governing the permitted level of losses before tax and accounting charges, there is no policy for what sanctions will be applied to clubs in violation.

    But at the European Club Association (ECA) congress on Tuesday, an outline for what the clubs perceive to be a workable programme of sanctions was agreed upon. The conclusion was for clubs who exceed the current permissible losses of €45m (£40m) over this season and next to be stripped of Champions League or Europa League prize money and subjected to a transfer embargo.

    Internazionale's director general, Ernesto Paolillo, is a board member of the ECA and chaired a sub-group that discussed its response on financial fair play.

    "We are all fully behind the financial fair play rules because we need to make some changes in European football," Paolillo said. "European clubs were in deficit by more than €1bn last season, so we need action.

    "But we need to see the sanctions now because the rules have started, so that the clubs know the rules. We think that having a transfer ban and to have prize money from Uefa withheld are appropriate penalties for breaking financial rules
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    It is not guaranteed that these rules will be adopted, since Uefa's financial control panel, chaired by the former prime minister of Belgium Jean-Luc Dehaene, has the final say over what punitive measures should be employed. It will be meeting over the coming weeks to finalise applicable sanctions and will give due weight to the clubs' own proposals.

    Whether it will consider appropriate the withholding of prize money from clubs is perhaps questionable since an enforced reduction in income could contribute to a spiral of repetitive default. One other area under the panel's consideration is the value of sponsorships from related parties.

    The financial fair play rules stipulate that these must be issued at fair market rates. Dehaene has stated that he has sought information about Manchester City's £300m-plus sponsorship deal with Etihad, the Abu Dhabi airline.
    Month old article.

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    UEFA President Michel Platini criticized soccer clubs for still having debt and said Monday he remains firmly behind financial fair-play rules.

    "Financial fair play is very important in this period of economic crisis," said Platini, who was in Milan to receive an award Monday. "I don't understand why, while the economy is suffering, football squads should have so much debt.

    "Clubs shouldn't spend more than they earn. Every year professional football produces ($1.9 billion) of debt in Europe. I was the annoying one who said it's time to stop that."
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    FFP is basically a policy/strategy and/or guidline for clubs to base their operation on to eliminate debt as a whole.

    Uefa now has a big stick to whack non-conforming clubs.
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    I don't understand ffp. The only clubs that can afford it are clubs like barcelona and real madrid that have enormous income... How is it fair then?? Because of it the clubs with more fans have a monopoly on football because they have more income.
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    Napoli president's interview was kick ass. About City is Sheik's toy and all. It was way off the mark but to spout that being in such a high position you need balls.

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    That title is very misleading.

    They did consider banning player from playing in Europe but they can't do that as FA and FIFA holds the player's registration, not UEFA. This is what I heard.
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    All that happened actually, is that UEFA cant lift transfer embargo to the clubs, which was the initial idea. They say it's illegal, since they dont have authority to do that. So they will look for alternative to punish the clubs that dont follow the rules in FFP.
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    Wenger has already expressed his concerns about this rule. UEFA reputation is on line, even Platini's.
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    FFP is vague. How can a regulation of such importance not have a suitable disciplinary action that is directly related to its intentions ?
    Whats important to note is that UEFA has stated that a club may be punished with a ban on European competition. This is very different to will be banned.

    It will be interesting too see what punishment UEFA will deliver. If you introduce a monetary fine for a club breaching the regulations, then it goes against the objective of the regulation. 'If your in too much debt, we'll punish you by adding to your debt'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interista 4 Ever View Post
    FFP is vague. How can a regulation of such importance not have a suitable disciplinary action that is directly related to its intentions ?
    Whats important to note is that UEFA has stated that a club may be punished with a ban on European competition. This is very different to will be banned.

    It will be interesting too see what punishment UEFA will deliver. If you introduce a monetary fine for a club breaching the regulations, then it goes against the objective of the regulation. 'If your in too much debt, we'll punish you by adding to your debt'
    If they fail to ban the clubs that dont comply with FFP, then I think Inter will be one of the biggest losers in this. I mean they have sold their star striker inorder to reduce the wage bill and changed transfer strategies to comply with FFP, now if UEFA can't ban the clubs then surely Inter will be left further behind.
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    Can ban them from CL with ease, because they are the hosts in a way, of it. The question is, do they have the balls to?

    All was saying in the articles was that they cant lift transfer embargo for the clubs. The initial idea was that, first transfer embargo, and later other punishments. But they claim it's illegal, since only FA from that country or FIFA can lift the embargo.
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    Chelsea and City face Europe ban: UEFA chief's tough warning to Premier League big spenders

    Big spenders Manchester City and Chelsea have been warned by Europe's football bosses that if they splash out on players this summer they may be forced to cut back their Champions League squads - and even be barred from taking part in European competition.

    Under UEFA's tough Financial Fair Play rules, applied from this season, clubs are allowed to make losses of no more than £36million over two years.

    But with sanctions for offending clubs due to be enforced from 2013-14, City and Chelsea face an almost impossible task to reduce their losses to acceptable levels.


    City reported a £197m loss last year, while Chelsea's deficit was £67.7m. With both expected to rebuild their squads at considerable expense this summer, their prospects of success - and even future participation - in the highly lucrative Champions league are looking bleak.

    UEFA president Michel Platini is expected at the Etihad Stadium for tomorrow's Premier League title showdown between City and Manchester United.

    Victory for City would throw the momentum back to Roberto Mancini's expensively assembled team but City know that both they and Chelsea could face exclusion from the Champions League if they do not change their ways.


    Alasdair Bell, UEFA's director of legal affairs, insisted last week that serious sanctions will apply to clubs who miss the £36m limit by more than 20 per cent.


    In the first instance, UEFA will force offending clubs to withdraw up to five players from their 25-strong Champions League squads for the 2013 competition.

    Repeat offenders will face being thrown out of the Champions League from the following year.

    Bell said: 'Sanctions need to be sufficiently effective and credible to make people abide by the rules. If we're not capable of enforcing the system, in a way in which makes Financial Fair Play a reality, then we might as well forget it.

    'Clubs who maybe have made more serious and effective efforts to bring their own house in order will expect the rules to be applied to those who have not done that.'

    City's transfer targets this summer include Eden Hazard, Fernando Llorente, Edinson Cavani and Luka Modric, while Chelsea, who yesterday signed 23-yearold Werder Bremen winger Marko Marin for £7m, are also targeting Hazard and Modric as well as Real Madrid striker Gonzalo Higuain.

    The total value of those signings could top £150m.

    Bell revealed that a new independent body called the Club Financial Control Panel, comprising lawyers and accountants, will be charged with enforcing UEFA's rules.

    'The aim is to regularise and stabilise football finances,' said Bell.

    'The sanctions system has to be tailored to encourage rather than punish. But if certain clubs are just ignoring the system, we are going to face legitimate demands from others to do something about it. This is a balancing exercise that will have to be carried out by the panel.'

    Clubs will be able to complain to the new body about rivals they believe are breaking the rules.

    While City appear to be banking on a reported £400m, 10-year sponsorship by the Etihad airline to make their debts more in line with the Financial Fair Play rules, that deal is already being investigated by UEFA because the airline is owned by the royal family of Abu Dhabi and City's owner, Sheik Mansour, is a member of that family.

    Bell says the new panel will scrutinise such deals in the same way that the European Union Commission assess whether a country is providing illegal state aid to its own industry.

    'We have to determine whether a sponsorship deal is genuine or a disguised capital injection,' he said.

    Bell insists that even if one of Europe's blue-chip clubs, such as Barcelona or Inter Milan, were to fail the regulations, there would be no rewriting of the rules.

    'That shouldn't happen,' said Bell.

    'The Club Financial Control Panel will be independent and their sole task will be to determine whether rules have been respected and, if not, what sanctions should be applied.'

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    For people thinking FFP is a joke as Chelsea are spending huge transfer fee, here is a small example of how FFP takes transfer fee into consideration.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wiki
    For example, Torres's £50 million transfer fee had to be amortized by about £9 million a season, which in the 2010–11 season amounted to only £4.5 million (due to half season). The club may lower the expense of amortization by selling players and extending the player contract

    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian
    the cost of transfers spread over the course of a contract – increased by £2.1m, partly as a result of the splurge on Fernando Torres and David Luiz in January 2011
    So the real problem for many clubs is not just the transfer fee but the wages. To keep it below 70% of their total revenue.
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    Interesting article.. it seems as if FFP is going to be more dynamic than people think. Taking into account a lot of various considerations.. http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2012/...ction.html?m=1

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    Malaga hit with European ban.
    The Spanish club have been excluded from the next Uefa club competition for which they should qualify, and could face further sanctions after failing to meet financial commitments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E.J. '92 View Post
    Malaga hit with European ban.
    The Spanish club have been excluded from the next Uefa club competition for which they should qualify, and could face further sanctions after failing to meet financial commitments.

    Shit just got real?


    Now fuck over Man City and Co...
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    WAIT A MINUTE!

    This thread was opened over a year ago & it hasn't even reached a second page yet??????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by E.J. '92 View Post
    Malaga hit with European ban.
    The Spanish club have been excluded from the next Uefa club competition for which they should qualify, and could face further sanctions after failing to meet financial commitments.

    Shit just got real?
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    Now fuck over Man City and Co...
    Ban is not for making losses, it is for not paying bills and money owed to other clubs. They have to pay it within March 31st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionheart View Post
    WAIT A MINUTE!

    This thread was opened over a year ago & it hasn't even reached a second page yet??????????

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