View Poll Results: What is your opinion on routine male infant/early teens circumcision ?

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  • It should never be performed

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  • There are no medical reasons to do it, but it's ok to cultivate it due to religion.

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  • It's medical benefits are doubtful but parents have the right to decide.

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  • It's medicaly beneficial so it should be performed and lack of informed consent is not an issue.

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    Circumcision

    POLL UPDATE: 1st answer in full is:

    "- It should never be performed without immidiate medical necessity and it violates human rights otherwise."

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    Controversial topic, isn't it? This forums are visited by people from all over the world so I think there can be many different views on this. I'll start with mine.

    Is circumcision good or bad? Is it unnecessary amputation of healthy part of male body for no medical reasons performed without consent or not harmful cosmetic procedure? Is it okay to do it for religious reasons? Isn't it laughable that 50 years ago it was common knowledge that circumcision cures all kinds of unrelated conditions like insanity?

    My opinion is that circumcision is a barbaric mutilation of new born baby boys and should never be performed on someone who can't give informed consent. I believe there is no reason to do it unless medically necessary (mostly phimosis).

    Reasons for circumcision are among others:
    - it can decrese HIV risk by up to 66% (according to one! WHO study performed in Africa) but why not use condoms (80% according to WHO)
    - there are number of other STD's that can be prevented by circumcion but in every case condoms are more effective
    - hygiene, really funny one, I mean could be justified a hundred years ago but is it really a problem to have everyday shower in 21st century? When someone has hygiene problems in private areas it's because he's filthy slacker not cos he's uncut.
    - religion, oh the toughest one, it is normal to call any anti-circumcision initiative anti-jewish or anti-islamic, but is it really? I'm against circumcision but I have nothing against any religion, but I believe circumcision should not be performed on any one under age of 18, for religious reasons or not.
    - it prevents penile cancer, thing is its extremaly rare that is 1 in 100.000, even male breast cancer is more common
    - it looks better, well that depends whom you ask I think, you ask it in USA most will say it does, you ask it in Finland most will say it looks unnatural, is this idea forced on those who say so by porn, and we know most porn is made in the US, and people in US are more that often circumcised (really 21st century America?)
    - because the father was so the boy must look like his father, the saddest reason really


    Circumcision rates are dropping down in countries like Canada, Australia, it's marginal in the UK, it's still a mystery why in the US it's so popular, though I read in a few sources that in more liberal states like California, Nevada, Washington circumcision rates are going down the fastest mostly because insurance companies don't cover it anymore stating it's just a cosmetic surgery but also parents are more awere what circumcision and foreskin really is. It's scary that many people have no idea that foreskin is very sensitive part of male body, on par with penis glans or even more sensitive depends on the studies. It's vital in achieving maximum potential sexual pleasure men can have the way nature/God intended.

    Isn't human body design perfect? I mean every part of our body has a role in our life, would God/evolution make a mistake? Why would it be there in the first place?

    There are countless anti-circ organisations in the world working on stopping cutting baby boys. What's more there are even organisations for foreskin restoration, those guys really have the guts. None of world's higly regarded health organisations like American Academy of Pediatrics, The Royal Australasian College of Physicians, The American Academy of Family Physicians, The American Medical Association, British Medical Association imply that circumcision should be performed.
    There is even Royal Dutch Medical Association that openly calls circumcision unnececessary.

    How many percent of boys would agree to this at age of 18? Why force it on them when they can't say anything, actually they are not giving consent by heart breaking crying but no one is listening.
    Last edited by Mad Biscione; 30 Nov 11 at 16:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Biscione View Post
    Controversial topic, isn't it? This forums are visited by people from all over the world so I think there can be many different views on this. I'll start with mine.

    Is circumcision good or bad? Is it unnecessary amputation of healthy part of male body for no medical reasons performed without consent or not harmful cosmetic procedure? Is it okay to do it for religious reasons? Isn't it laughable that 50 years ago it was common knowledge that circumcision cures all kinds of unrelated conditions like insanity?

    My opinion is that circumcision is a barbaric mutilation of new born baby boys and should never be performed on someone who can't give informed consent. I believe there is no reason to do it unless medically necessary (mostly phimosis).

    Reasons for circumcision are among others:
    - it can decrese HIV risk by up to 66% (according to one! WHO study performed in Africa) but why not use condoms (80% according to WHO)
    - there are number of other STD's that can be prevented by circumcion but in every case condoms are more effective
    - hygiene, really funny one, I mean could be justified in 19 century but is it really a problem to have everyday shower in 21st century? When someone has hygiene problems in provate ares is because he's filthy slacer not cos he's uncut.
    - religion, oh the toughest one, it is normal to call any anti-circumcision initiative anti-jewish or anti-islamic, but is it really? I'm against circumcision but I have nothing against any religion, but I believe circumcision should not be performed on any one under age of 18, for religious reasons or not.
    - it prevents penile cancer, thing is its extremaly rare that is 1 in 100.000, even male breat cancer is more common
    - it looks better, well that depends whow you ask I think, you ask it in USA most will say it does, you ask it in Finland most will say it looks unnatural, is this idea forced on those who say so by porn, and we know most porn is made in the US, and people in US are more that often circumcised (really 21st century America?)
    - because the father was so the boy must look like his father, the saddest reason really


    Circumcision rates are dropping down in countries like Canada, Australia, it's marginal in the UK, it's still a mystery why in the US it's so popular, though I read in a few sources that in more liberal states like California, Nevada, Washington circumcision rates are going down the fastest mostly because insurance companies don't cover it anymore stating it's just a cosmetic surgery but also parents are more awere what circumcision and foreskin really is. It's scare that many people have no idea what foreskin is very sensitive part of male body, on par with penis glans or even more sensitive depends on the studies. It's vital in achieving maximum potential sexual pleasure men can have they way nature/God intended.

    Isn't human body design perfect? I mean every part of our body has a role in our life, would God/evolution make a mistake? Why would it be there in the first place?

    There are countless anti-circ organisations in the world working on stopping cutting baby boys. What's more there are even organisations for foreskin restoration, those guys really have the guts. None of world's higly regarded health organisations like American Academy of Pediatrics, The Royal Australasian College of Physicians, The American Academy of Family Physicians, The American Medical Association, British Medical Association imply that circumcision should be performed.
    There is even Royal Dutch Medical Association that openly calls circumcision unnececessary.

    How many percent of boys would agree to this at age of 18? Why force it on them when they can't say anything, actually they are not giving consent by heart breaking crying but no one is listening.
    ok

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    Did you go to the plastic surgeons for a penis enlargement only to wake up having accidentally been circumcised?
    **I move away from the mic to breathe in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calzo View Post
    ok
    thank you for your valuable input

    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post
    Did you go to the plastic surgeons for a penis enlargement only to wake up having accidentally been circumcised?
    not at all, why?

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    Nobody gonna take this seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan View Post
    Nobody gonna take this seriously?
    i serious discussion about a reproductive organ on the internet? not likely

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    Cmon man really

    btw I support it, Circumcision is also used therapeutically, as one of the treatment options for balanitis xerotica obliterans, paraphimosis, balanitis, posthitis, balanoposthitis and urinary tract infections.

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    circumcision is great. who wants some pointless skin hanging of the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajkihhInterista View Post
    Cmon man really

    btw I support it, Circumcision is also used therapeutically, as one of the treatment options for balanitis xerotica obliterans, paraphimosis, balanitis, posthitis, balanoposthitis and urinary tract infections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmaster View Post
    LMAO
    why u laughin man ?

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    Interesting read, I've got some relevant links which I'll post later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felix100 View Post
    circumcision is great. who wants some pointless skin hanging of the end of it.
    why is it there then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Biscione View Post
    why is it there then?
    i really dont know. but i would rather talk about girl parts insted

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajkihhInterista View Post
    balanitis xerotica obliterans.
    One study calculated a rate of 0.6% of boys are affected by their 15th birthdays.[4] Another reported a rate of 0.07% -wikipedia

    Quote Originally Posted by NajkihhInterista View Post
    paraphimosis
    Paraphimosis is an uncommon[1] medical condition where the foreskin becomes trapped behind the glans penis - wikepedia

    Quote Originally Posted by NajkihhInterista View Post
    balanitis xerotica obliterans.
    In a study by Fergusson et al., penile inflammation was reported in 7.6 cases per 100 boys at risk in circumcised boys, and 14.4 cases per 100 boys at risk among uncircumcised boys. CIRCUMCISION DOES NOT PREVENT IT

    Quote Originally Posted by NajkihhInterista View Post
    balanitis xerotica obliterans.
    "With general treatment, most patients with balanoposthitis have complete resolution of symptoms." http://www.uptodate.com



    btw. you came up with this just like that or googled pro circumcision arguments?


    You support irreversible removal of fully funcionall tissue as a prevention for these rare conditions?

    ---------- Post added at 20:30 ---------- Previous post was at 20:27 ----------

    Kim and Pang found that 20% reported that their sex life was worse after circumcision and 6% reported that it had improved. They concluded that "there was a decrease ... sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings."[32]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_...f_circumcision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Biscione View Post
    One study calculated a rate of 0.6% of boys are affected by their 15th birthdays.[4] Another reported a rate of 0.07% -wikipedia


    Paraphimosis is an uncommon[1] medical condition where the foreskin becomes trapped behind the glans penis - wikepedia


    In a study by Fergusson et al., penile inflammation was reported in 7.6 cases per 100 boys at risk in circumcised boys, and 14.4 cases per 100 boys at risk among uncircumcised boys. CIRCUMCISION DOES NOT PREVENT IT


    "With general treatment, most patients with balanoposthitis have complete resolution of symptoms." http://www.uptodate.com



    btw. you came up with this just like that or googled pro circumcision arguments?


    You support irreversible removal of fully funcionall tissue as a prevention for these rare conditions?

    ---------- Post added at 20:30 ---------- Previous post was at 20:27 ----------

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_...f_circumcision
    i just copy pasted that from wikipedia, strange how u didnt notice

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    Who cares tbh? A dick is a dick, I don't care if it's circumcised or not, I just don't want to see it.

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    Who cares? Don't you think a few days old boy cares, or he doesnt have the right to decide just because he can't speak? Why do parents have the right to do this when there is no immediate medical necessity ?

    I dont mind circumcion when it comes to adults, when you're 18 and you want to cultivate ways of your religion, pls be my guest, you can even cut your whole dick, I dont mind really. But I stronly believe every newborn boy has the right to his bodily integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Biscione View Post
    why is it there then?
    it's there for protection while the body is still developing in the womb, after birth it's just in the way

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    But isn't the womb itself the best possible protection. Even intensive care units are designed to simulate the womb. Why would penis glans need extra protection while still in the womb, you happen to know it maybe or just assume it?

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    i studied college level biology, it doesn't protect it from physical damage, but from things like tissue degeneration

    and having "extra" protection still means that it isn't redundant, it has a purpose to serve and after birth that purpose isn't needed anymore

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