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    Evra vs Suarez

    Not actually the start of thread

    New Years Eve and the FA release 115 pages of BS.
    Maybe they thought half the world is in various states of drunkeness so nobody would read it.
    They didnt reckon on the likes of Monster who would sacrifice his New Year to actually read it :

    (edit) some clever people also read it -
    http://thetroublewithfootball.blogspot.co.uk/

    Anyway i've not read it all yet but i have noticed a few things.
    Evra originally claimed he was called n*gg*r 10 times.he told Slur Alex he'd been called the N-Word.
    Who then went and told the Ref and Media.
    He later claimed the word he heard sounded like a Italian word for n*gg*r? Strange bearing in mind he was speaking Spanish.
    Strange too that he forgot nègro means black in Spanish. *EDIT* Especially as he correctly translated it on the pitch when he told the Ref "he just called me f*cking "black"

    Evra also had a fierce argument with the Ref over the tossing of a UEFA coin he called Blue and it landed Yellow.
    Evra then claimed he called Yellow because he would never chose Blue because ManCity wear Blue .
    He was wearing his Blue kit when he made the claim
    Trivial it maybe but it calls into question his confrontation mentality and also his memory.

    Anyway lets have a look at the alledged 5 TIMES incident
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=LH50lwwBRms#
    That was the kick that angered Evra so much so it took him a full 5 mins to confront Suarez .
    Evra: Why did you kick me? in Spanish ?
    Suarez: "que habia sido una falta normal" loosely translated "it was just a normal foul" while he shrugs his shoulders.
    The Video backs Suarez up on this matter. .

    However Evra claims Suarez replied : "because your nègro " FIVE TIMES
    Now that to me sounds ridiculous especially when nobody else heard this, not even de Gea, who speaks Spanish
    and was stood next to him or anyone else for that matter
    There is no Video or Audio evidence either, unbelievably its just the word of Evra .

    The same Evra whom the FA previously called a "unreliable witness" who exaggerate's

    I going to wait before reading through the rest of it because it makes my brain hurt
    But i'm sure i'll find more examples of hypocrisy and inconsistency when i do

    In other news PFA Chief Gordon Taylor has dis-honestly escaped a driving ban when he was caught speeding not once but twice
    How does he do it ? He gets a expensive Loophole Lawyer to get him off
    http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/p/1468763
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    In the goalmouth, Mr Evra and Mr Suarez spoke to
    each other in Spanish. Mr Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him, referring to the
    foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro", meaning "Because
    you are black". Mr Evra then said to Mr Suarez “say it to me again, I’m going to punch
    you”. Mr Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks"

    Mr
    Evra continued by saying that he now thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr
    Suarez replied "Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie, blackie, blackie".
    As Mr Suarez said this, he reached out to touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr
    Kuyt then intervened. When the referee blew his whistle and called the players over to
    him shortly after the exchanges in the goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee "ref, ref, he
    just called me a fucking black".
    Racism Condoning fans fabricating and twisting FA report shocker.

    Suarez also pinched Evra's skin and then he said He did that to diffuse the situation, but when Suarez' lawyer eventually admitted that there's no way that Suarez could have pinched Evra's skin to diffuse any situation, like Suarez had originally claimed there is only one logical conclusion here. Suarez is liar and looking for way out using all his dirty tricks.

    And Finally

    Mr Suarez's account of his admitted use of the word "negro" changed several times. He seemed unsure of when the admitted use took place and what triggered it. His account seemed to change in an attempt to fit in with the video evidence.
    Liar. Lying, Diving, Cheating, Biting, Racist Scum bag

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    Evra spoke to Ferguson in English. His comment to Ferguson was

    Boss, Suarez called me a niggger.

    From the FA report,

    statements were provided in Spanish for Valencia (who is Ecuadorian) and Hernandez (who is Mexican), and in Portuguese for Anderson (who is Brazilian) and Nani (who is Portuguese)
    Here are excerpts of Nani, Valencia, Hernandez and Anderson's statements:

    Nani:
    When he said this in English I think he used the word "niggger" but in Spanish/Portuguese he used the word "negro" or "preto", I cannot remember exactly which.
    Valencia:

    I think the words Evra used were words similar to "Negro, no hablas conmigo."
    Hernandez:

    He said that during the game, Suarez said to him words similar to "No voy a platicar contigo porque eres negro".
    Anderson:
    I think he used words similar to "no hablo con negro".
    In brief, when speaking, in English, to Mr Ferguson and Mr Marriner Evra claims that Suarez had called him "Nigger",which is what he believed the translation into English of what he had being called. This is clearly in the report.

    When speaking in Spanish he uses "negro" to his team mates, as stated before, there is no direct translation for "Negro". When speaking in English he uses the term "Nigger" as this is what he had believed the translation to English to mean.



    And Finally from FA report
    This meant that Mr Suarez accepted in full the evidence of Mr Dowd, Valencia, Hernandez, Nani, Anderson, Sir Alex Ferguson, Mr Mike Riley and Mr Stephane Guy of Canal +, the French TV station.


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    Now let me present one more liar.

    Mr Kuyt gave a slightly different version from Mr Marriner, Mr Evra and Mr Giggs. He
    said that after the goal kick he was close to Mr Evra and said "Come on, let's move on, let's
    keep going with the game" and touched Mr Evra just on the arm. According to Mr Kuyt,
    Mr Evra reacted aggressively and smashed his arm away and at that point, the referee
    having seen the incident, called Mr Evra to him and booked him. Mr Kuyt said that he
    was very close to Mr Evra and the referee at this time. He said he was "absolutely certain"
    that he heard Mr Evra say that the referee was only booking him because he was black.
    116. We found the evidence of Mr Marriner on this point to be credible and plausible. He
    recalled Mr Evra telling him that he was being called black. This is consistent with Mr
    Evra's evidence of what he told Mr Marriner at that time, and also with Mr Giggs'
    evidence of what Mr Evra said to him shortly afterwards. In light of this, we reject Mr
    Kuyt's evidence that Mr Evra said that the referee was only booking him because he was
    black, however certain Mr Kuyt was that he heard it. Moreover, it would make no sense in
    the circumstances for Mr Evra to accuse the referee of only booking him because he was
    black. Not only had Mr Evra pushed Mr Kuyt away, which he is likely to have realised
    had led to his booking, but his concern at that stage was that he had been called black
    (bearing in mind that, at the very least, Mr Suarez admits having called Mr Evra "negro"
    by this stage of the game).
    FA rejected one more defense of Suarez saying "Kuyt is a Liar". What a honorable bunch LFC have got, defending Racist act by fabricating stories and attacking the victim with false alleagations.


    Mr Suarez spoke in Spanish to Mr Comolli soon after the game about this serious allegation. Mr Suarez also spoke in Dutch to Mr Kuyt. Both Mr Comolli and Mr Kuyt understood Mr Suarez to have told them that when he spoke to Mr Evra he said words which translate into English as, "Because you are black". According to Mr Suarez, Mr Comolli misheard what Mr Suarez said in Spanish, and Mr Kuyt misheard what Mr Suarez said in Dutch.
    So 2 persons misunderstood what Suarez said in 2 different languages. What a joke.

    304. Mr Dalglish told the referee that Mr Suarez responded with "you are black" having first been taunted with "you are South American"...

    which leads to

    ...If that is correct, it would suggest that Mr Dalglish understood Mr Suarez's comment to be in the nature of retaliation for having been called "South American". But that would suggest that the riposte "You are black" was used in a derogatory sense, which is contrary to Mr Suarez's case. In fact, Mr Suarez told us that he did not consider being described as South American to be derogatory, so it is difficult to understand why this was referred to as a "taunt".
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    I think the point is theres a fine line between comming across as a learned individual and comming across as a bit of a wanker, and utilising every corner of your vocabulary on a global internet football forum with people many of whom don't have don't have english as their first language makes you come across as the latter.

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    I don't know what's funnier...the above mentioned stories, or the fact that monster has said that YNWA is on his ignore list but still continues to reply to his post....although now being indirectly

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    various states of drunkeness so nobody would read it.They didnt reckon on the likes of Monster who would sacrifice his New Year to actually read it
    wouldn't expect anything less from a guy that post more in another teams forum then his own. The mancs have probably had enuff of his BS
    Ma Milanista Che cazzo canti, Nella tua testa I ricordi sono tanti,
    Ci ricordate, del sei a zero, Ma gia' scordate Serie B e Totonero,
    Percio' ricorda, nella tua testa, quando eri in B tutta la nord faceva festa,
    Tifoso pirla, ma chi minacci? Altro che curva, siete un gruppo di palliaci.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmore View Post
    I don't know what's funnier...the above mentioned stories, or the fact that monster has said that YNWA is on his ignore list but still continues to reply to his post....although now being indirectly
    Phew, I thought you can clear ignore list. What's funnier is you fabricating little stories like how you went through dark days bs everytime. and Martijn proved that you are a hypocrite in Barca thread.

    Oh wait even more funnier part is You editing the post when you are proved wrong

    No, even funnier is copy pasting huge post from some site and claiming it as yours in one of the thread started by Azz. Pathetic

    wouldn't expect anything less from a guy that post more in another teams forum then his own. The mancs have probably had enuff of his BS
    some people will never change. Report was published few hours before new year time. At least I can survive in rivals forum, I can bet your ass will be handed to you in plate if you step out of FIF. Simple reason being your posts are pathetic and childish. Here your ass is saved by few favourable mods, simple as that.

    Again New year celebration has nothing to do with the subject of discussion, two most irritating posters diverting the topic shocker.
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    I think the point is theres a fine line between comming across as a learned individual and comming across as a bit of a wanker, and utilising every corner of your vocabulary on a global internet football forum with people many of whom don't have don't have english as their first language makes you come across as the latter.

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    Nice to see you cant ignore me Monster
    Anyway just a few points for now.

    "This meant that Mr Suarez accepted in full the evidence of Mr Dowd, Valencia, Hernandez, Nani, Andold the above person, Sir Alex Ferguson, Mr Mike Riley and Mr Stephane Guy of Canal +, the French TV station."

    Do you know why Suarez accepts the evidence of above ???
    Its because he wasnt present when Evra told those people so how can he know what Evra told his teammates and Slur Alex
    Its what we call "hearsay" and it has no bearing on the case

    What are you on about here:

    "When speaking in Spanish he uses "negro" to his team mates, as stated before, there is no direct translation for "Negro". When speaking in English he uses the term "N*gg*r" as this is what he had believed the translation to English to mean."

    Are you seriously trying to tell me there is "NO DIRECT TRANSLATION FOR "NEGRO" are you really going with that story

    Every primary school pupil in Ingurland will be able to translate that because of the instruction on models/toys games etc
    Mainly because in the EU instructions come in all the main languages.
    In fact i'm currently looking at a Airfix instruction and it says Black,Noir,Schwarz,Negro,Svart all direct translations.
    And its a world away from the "N-word" and all things considered he should know that.

    So can i now call you a LIAR or shall i say you are mistaken. ???

    However i will ask that you go back over your post and edit the highly offensive word N*GG*R.
    I'm a bit uncomfortable with your use of the that word and you not editing it makes me feel like i'm talking to a Racist Scumbag so please do go back and use that edit button.
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    what is the spanish translation of N*gg*r?






    dude...you are so clueless it ain't funny
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    While you are at it, can you please explain the contradictory statements by Camolli and Kuyt? How can they both say same thing and later retracted saying they misheard it? Understandable if one did, but two in two different languages?

    So you still believe that Suarez was victimized? Go ahead, go have another rant. Everyone knows who the guilty party is. Also can we know the reason why Suarez changed his story thrice?

    Supporting your player is fine, but when he is found guilty it is better to leave at it instead of pulling up media stunts like Tee Shirts and that official statement and embarrass the club reputation that was built for years.

    BTW Initially Camolli and Kuyt both said "Suarez told them that he used "You are black" words.

    Coming to your post.

    Do you know why Suarez accepts the evidence of above ???
    Its because he wasnt present when Evra told those people so how can he know what Evra told his teammates and Slur Alex
    So Suarez was not present during hearing or he didn't know what all the players and Referee said? It is clearly mentioned that Suarez accepted and what is more pathetic is you defending this as Suarez admitted using the word Negro albeit once.
    Are you seriously trying to tell me there is "NO DIRECT TRANSLATION FOR "NEGRO" are you really going with that story
    Use your brain for once, its not that difficult. He was called Negro, he thought it translates to Nigger in English. When talking in Spanish he used used the word Negro. It is clearly mentioned in that report, for obvious reasons you are ignoring every part that proves the point.

    Anyways I will post it again. Read and understand.

    In brief, when speaking, in English, to Mr Ferguson and Mr Marriner Evra claims that Suarez had called him "Nigger",which is what he believed the translation into English of what he had being called. This is clearly in the report.

    When speaking in Spanish he uses "negro" to his team mates, as stated before, there is no direct translation for "Negro". When speaking in English he uses the term "Nigger" as this is what he had believed the translation to English to mean.
    And re your last few lines, it is obvious who the liar is, fabricating stories ever since you registered on FIF (Like Suarez didnt call Evra anything, which was proven wrong, then you came up with Negrito which was bs as that word was never used, then came up with Evra told ref that he is booking him only coz he is black which was again proved wrong) not to forget I'm talking to someone who condones Racism. So I get the felling I'm talking to Lying Racist Scumbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerazzurri4life View Post
    what is the spanish translation of N*gg*r?


    dude...you are so clueless it ain't funny
    Is there any direct translation for that word? Damn this Negro, Negrito, Nigger is damn confusing
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    PS
    Words with no direct translation:

    "Although porque, por qué, por que, and porqué have related meanings, they are not interchangeable. If you find them confusing as a Spanish student, you're in good company: Native speakers often write them incorrectly as well.
    Por qué typically is used in questions, meaning "why":"

    Which kind of explains Kuyt and Commoli mistake in translating.


    http://spanish.about.com/od/writtenspanish/a/porque.htm

    "So 2 persons misunderstood what Suarez said in 2 different languages. What a joke."

    But you quote 4 players who all "misunderstand" what Evra said in the dressing room. Is that a joke too.

    PPS I see you continue to use that racially abusive word in your post. Are you trying to offend me ?[COLOR="Silver"]

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    "Use your brain for once, its not that difficult. He was called Negro, he thought it translates to N*gg*r in English. When talking in Spanish he used used the word Negro. It is clearly mentioned in that report, for obvious reasons you are ignoring every part that proves the point."

    He was wrong though wasnt he and as a Spanish and Ingurlish speaker he should know negro translates directly to Ingurlish as black.*Edit*Especially as he had correctly translated it on the pitch when he told the Ref
    "He's just called me f*cking black"So please do engage your brain.

    Then again i see your struggling with the finer points of Ingurlish law
    "So Suarez was not present during hearing or he didn't know what all the players and Referee said? "
    The evidence is based on what Evra told those particular people, so Suarez who wasnt present when Evra told them can hardly say Evra didnt tell those people what he told them can he? Hence the "Evra told me" quotes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWALFC View Post
    He was wrong though wasnt he and as a Spanish and Ingurlish speaker he should know negro translates directly to Ingurlish as black.
    So please do engage your brain
    Maybe you should engage your brain. Negro in Spanish does not translate directly to English as black.
    I mean, where do you come up with this shit? Jeez...
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    In what way is the rivalry with Juventus and Milan different?

    “There is no comparison. On one hand, we have a duel within the city, a constant and direct confrontation. On the other, we have a historical hostility. Sportingly speaking, the real enemy is Juventus.”

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    Just to point out where the word "negrito" came from i'll quote myself on 20 november.Monster seems to think it was ME who introduced it as a excuse for Suarez.

    Quote Originally Posted by YNWALFC View Post
    Ive been looking around various forums today for the Suarez quote when asked if he said something racist.
    Now from what i've gathered its along the lines of "i didnt say anything" you must of said something "i only called him what his teammates called him."
    In steps a Manc friendly journalist (forget the name but our resident media mogul will know) quoting the usual
    "senior sources at MUFC" and says its a variation on the word "n*gro"
    With these two clues and his personal knowledge of the manc players and friendly nicknames they call each other,
    he's pretty sure its "Negrito" and thats where that word came from
    .

    Not actually a Suarez quote but when we get a trial by media it doesnt matter.

    Slur Alex has today told Gus Poyet he shouldnt be defending Suarez in the media.
    Which is hypocrisy bearing in mind Evra went to a French TV station, and Slur Alex decided to add his own slur to the English speaking media before reporting it to the FA.
    If your wondering why they didnt go straight to the FA its probably because the FA will basically put a gagging order on all concerned.
    Its supposed to help prevent Trial by Media and prevents the washing of dirty laundry in public.and ultimately bringing the game into disrepute.
    (So if you want to start a witch hunt get your Slurs in first then report it to the FA).
    Then arrange the odd leak to a friendly tabloid journalist just to keep the torches burning.

    I also found out the Uraguayan FA and embassy are also defending Suarez so now i'm waiting for the French Fa and embassy to get involved.
    Ive also heard Rooney sometimes calls Evra "pygmy" which translates to "negrito" and Cheatarito also calls his teammates the same name.
    (So that manc journalist is probably right)

    Rooney's Dad has also been arrested in some matchfixing betting scam ?

    Spurs have been spying and tapping phones of West Ham board members and the Olympic Stadium chiefs.

    And everybody favourite next Ingurland Manager "Appy Arry" Rednapp is going to stand trial for robbing over 100k from the public purse.
    Poor bugger had a heart attack.
    But he's alright he can afford to go private for his healthcare. But can he coach the National team from a prison cell ?

    Ingurlands Capt John Terry is in Deep Sh*t just when everyone was jumping on the cheating,diving,racist foreigner bandwagon, he had to shout that.
    What the f*ck are the Fa supposed to do now the Police want him charged?
    They'll probably sacrifice him, but only if they can take down Sepp Blatter at the same time and failing that they'll find another sacrifice.

    Anyway thats just some of the sh*t that goes on in the Prem that you might of missed over the last few weeks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nerazzurri4life View Post
    Maybe you should engage your brain. Negro in Spanish does not translate directly to English as black.
    I mean, where do you come up with this shit? Jeez...
    Bless him notN4L wants some attension

    http://spanish.about.com/sitesearch....SUName=spanish

    Maybe they are wrong and you are right
    But lv'e known that Negro translates to Black for many years as do millions of School children in the EU
    I also know the words: Blanc,Weiss,Blanco,Vit all translate to white.
    So please do tell me what else you know
    PS
    I cant find a Spanish translation for "N*gg*r " but my Mother in law lived in Spain for a few years and she claims that some Spanish just say the word "N*gg*r" but its seen as racially offensive.
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    i see what you did there...


    Let me put it you straight, since you seem to want to continue to be stubborn.
    "Negro" in Spanish CAN mean "black" in english, but it can also mean MANY OTHER THINGS, depending on the situation, how it is used e.t.c.

    In Spain, Mexico and almost all of Latin-America, negro (note that ethnonyms, names of nationalities, etc. are generally not capitalized in Romance languages) means "black person" in colloquial situations, but it can be considered to be derogatory in other situations (as in English, "black" is often used to mean irregular or undesirable, as in "black market/mercado negro"). However, in Spanish-speaking countries such as Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay where there are few people of African origin and appearance, negro (negra for females) is commonly used to refer to partners, close friends[13] or people in general independent of skin color. In Venezuela the word negro is similarly used, despite its large African descent population.

    It is similar to the use of the word "nigga" in urban communities in the United States. For example, one might say to a friend, "Negro ¿Como andas? (literally "Hey, black one, how are you doing?"). In this case, the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning "pal", "buddy" or "friend". Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to "sweetheart," or "dear" in English (in the Philippines, negrito was used for a local dark-skinned short person, living in the Negros islands among other places).

    In other Spanish-speaking South American countries, the word negro can also be employed in a roughly equivalent form, though it is not usually considered to be as widespread as in Argentina or Uruguay (except perhaps in a limited regional and/or social context). In Brazil, it heavily depends on the region. In Rio de Janeiro, for example, where the main racial slur against black people is crioulo (literally creole i.e. American-born African), preto/preta and pretinho/pretinha can along extremely informal situations be used the same ways as negro/negra and negrito/negrita in Spanish-speaking South American, but it heavily changes in the nearby state of São Paulo, where crioulo is considered an archaism and preto is the most used racial slur against black people, thus all kind of use of the preto word can be deemed as offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerazzurri4life View Post
    i see what you did there...


    Let me put it you straight, since you seem to want to continue to be stubborn.
    "Negro" in Spanish CAN mean "black" in english, but it can also mean MANY OTHER THINGS, depending on the situation, how it is used e.t.c.
    Dont bother, they ignore every part of report and cherry pick on least imp point. Before this incident many didn't even know those words can be used in a friendly manner, but once there was a leak from LFC that word used was "Negrito" LFC fans became professors in Spanish language explaining all possibilities of the word.

    Anyways here is the simple conclusion, Suarez admitted that he used the word Negro which was confirmed by him and Dogleash. Now the discussion is about "Context". In the heated derby between two fierce rivals I dont think anyone with at least half the IQ of chimp would say "Suarez didn't mean it as an insult". As per my understanding that I gathered after this incident the term Negro is used with the people you know, not with strangers. LFC fans are defending the Indefensible, at max they can appeal the length of the ban nothing more. After reading the report I dont think FA will reduce the ban as FA came to the conclusion that Suarez used it 7 times. Hence the 8 game ban.

    Hopefully LFC appeal this and get extended ban, meanwhile tarnishing the reputation built by the great people at the club. Dalglish stooped lowest of lows with Tee Shirt stunt and it will only get worse with appeal. \
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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWALFC View Post
    He was wrong though wasnt he and as a Spanish and Ingurlish speaker he should know negro translates directly to Ingurlish as black.
    So please do engage your brain
    So he should be knowing what the word in English meant, just because he didn't know now Evra is the guilty party? FFS main point is whether Suarez brought Evra's skin while insulting, not whether Evra can translate properly.

    Evra when explaining in Spanish said the word used was Negro which was translated by the panel members, not Evra. Simple as that. But knowing how many LFC fans have behaved I'm sure this was all SAF's fault and Evra was liar even when FA verdict proved Evra, Kuyt, Camolli were liars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerazzurri4life View Post
    lfc do not appeal, so there you go...

    time for the mighty carroll....
    So can we now say that the report was spot on and Suarez was proved guilty?

    Anyways shocking behavior from Dalglish, I had bit of respect for him but he is the biggest scum. Instead of taking Suarez to the ref's room when both were called he went alone after making fun of 30 min rule when he fourth official went to LFC dressing room to intimate them about the complaint made by Evra.

    In FA's report

    Dalglish speaks to the referee
    142. After Sir Alex Ferguson and Mr Evra had left the referee's dressing room, Mr Marriner
    asked Mr Dowd to go and find Mr Dalglish and Mr Suarez and ask that they come to the
    referee's room so that he could speak to them.
    143. Mr Dowd, the fourth official, whose evidence was accepted by Mr Suarez, went to the
    Liverpool dressing room. He opened the door and stood in the entrance. He said could
    someone tell Mr Dalglish that they needed to see him and Mr Suarez in the referee's
    dressing room. As he was saying this, Mr Dalglish put his head around a door to the
    coaching team's area of the dressing room. Mr Dalglish had clearly heard what Mr Dowd
    said and made a joke about having to wait 30 minutes before speaking to the referee. This
    was a reference to the usual rule that managers are not allowed to approach match
    officials until 30 minutes after the game.
    144. Mr Dowd then left the Liverpool dressing room and went back to the referee's room.
    Moments later, Mr Dalglish came into the referee's dressing room. Mr Dalglish was on his
    own. Mr Marriner asked Mr Dalglish why Mr Suarez was not with him. Mr Dalglish said
    that he had not brought him because Mr Suarez does not speak English. Mr Marriner
    explained to Mr Dalglish what had been reported to him by Sir Alex and Mr Evra. Mr
    Marriner said in his witness statement that Mr Evra had told him that Mr Suarez had said
    to him "I don't talk to you because you niggers", although Mr Dalglish told us that he did
    not remember the referee saying that to him. Since Mr Suarez accepted Mr. Marriner's
    witness statement, we accept Mr Marriner's evidence that he said this to Mr Dalglish.
    145. Mr Dalglish said, "hasn't he done this before?". This was the evidence to us of Mr Dowd,
    which was also accepted by Mr Suarez. Mr Dowd remembered this as it caused him to
    consciously stop and think whether he was aware of any previous allegation involving Mr
    Evra.
    Just proves that Dogleash is deluded and has no idea that "Evra made previous allegations" was BS which was proved wrong more than 1 time.

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    Anyways now he got the deserved ban, I'm happy with the verdict. If he repeats this again he will get Perma ban
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    A rapist scoring in the premiership? Never.
    yep, and one of his next rape victims will be Ireland in the next Nations Cup.

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    LFC STATEMENT: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/lates...m-liverpool-fc


    It is our strongly held conviction that the Football Association and the panel it selected constructed a highly subjective case against Luis Suarez based on an accusation that was ultimately unsubstantiated.

    The FA and the panel chose to consistently and methodically accept and embrace arguments leading to a set of conclusions that found Mr. Suarez to "probably" be guilty while in the same manner deciding to completely dismiss the testimony that countered their overall suppositions.

    Mr. Evra was deemed to be credible in spite of admitting that he himself used insulting and threatening words towards Luis and that his initial charge as to the word used was somehow a mistake.

    The facts in this case were that an accusation was made, a rebuttal was given and there was video of the match. *The remaining facts came from testimony of people who did not corroborate any accusation made by Mr. Evra.

    In its determination to prove its conclusions to the public through a clearly subjective 115-page document, the FA panel has damaged the reputation of one of the Premier League's best players, deciding he should be punished and banned for perhaps a quarter of a season. *This case has also provided a template in which a club's rival can bring about a significant ban for a top player without anything beyond an accusation.


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    [/COLOR]Nevertheless, there are ultimately larger issues than whether or not Luis Suarez has been treated fairly by the Football Association in this matter. *There are important points we want to make today that overshadow what has occurred during the past two months.

    The issue of race in sports, as in other industries, has a very poor history. Far too often, and in far too many countries, the issues of racism and discrimination have been covered over or ignored.

    In America, where Liverpool ownership resides, there was a shameful bigotry that prevented black athletes from competing at the highest levels for decades.

    English football has led the world in welcoming all nationalities and creeds into its Premier League and its leagues below, and Liverpool Football Club itself has been a leader in taking a progressive stance on issues of race and inclusion. *The Luis Suarez case has to end so that the Premier League, the Football Association and the Club can continue the progress that has been made and will continue to be made and not risk a perception, at least by some, that would diminish our commitment on these issues.

    Liverpool Football Club have supported Luis Suarez because we fundamentally do not believe that Luis on that day - or frankly any other - did or would engage in a racist act. Notably, his actions on and off the pitch with his teammates and in the community have demonstrated his belief that all athletes can play together and that the colour of a person's skin is irrelevant.

    Continuing a fight for justice in this particular case beyond today would only obscure the fact that the Club wholeheartedly supports the efforts of the Football Association, the Football League and the Premier League to put an end to any form of racism in English football.
    It is time to put the Luis Suarez matter to rest and for all of us, going forward, to work together to stamp out racism in every form both inside and outside the sport.

    It is for this reason that we will not appeal the eight-game suspension of Luis Suarez.
    The views expressed herein are my own and do not necessarily represent those of
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    Statement from Luis Suarez: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/lates...om-luis-suarez.

    First of all I would like to thank everyone so much for all the help and support I have received during these last few weeks.

    Thank you to my family, my friends and everybody at LFC (the staff, manager and coaching staff, the directors, my team mates and everyone who is working on a daily basis for this great club) and thank you especially to all the fans who made sure I never felt let down for one second. During those days I understood more than ever what 'You'll Never Walk Alone' means.

    Like many of you I was born into a very humble family, in a working class neighbourhood, in a small country. But I was born and raised learning what respect, manners and sacrifice mean. Thanks to my family, from my first club where I started playing, to my transfer to Holland in Europe, I learned the values which made me the person I am now. Never, I repeat, never, have I had any racial problem with a team mate or individual who was of a different race or colour to mine. Never.

    I am very upset by all the things which have been said during the last few weeks about me, all of them being very far from the truth. But above all, I'm very upset at feeling so powerless whilst being accused of something which I did not, nor would not, ever do.

    In my country, 'negro' is a word we use commonly, a word which doesn't show any lack of respect and is even less so a form of racist abuse. *Based on this, everything which has been said so far is totally false.

    I will carry out the suspension with the resignation of someone who hasn't done anything wrong and who feels extremely upset by the events. I do feel sorry for the fans and for my team mates whom I will not be able to help during the next month. It will be a very difficult time for me.

    The only thing I wish for at the moment is being able to run out again at Anfield and to do what I like most which is playing football.

    Thank you very much.

    YNWA

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    He also adds:

    Luis Suarez has apologised for any offence he caused during the Reds' clash with Manchester United.

    The Liverpool striker has been banned for eight matches by the FA and began his suspension against Manchester City on Tuesday evening.

    Suarez said: "I admitted to the Commission that I said a word*in Spanish once,*and only once and I told the panel members that I will not use it again on a football pitch in England.

    "I never, ever used this word in a derogatory way and if it offends anyone then I want to apologise for that."
    The views expressed herein are my own and do not necessarily represent those of
    Liverpool Football Club or any affiliates of the club.

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    Looks like the media are after another "Johnny foreigner".
    I have no idea if its true but the timing of this "breaking news" is very suspect.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-YoutTube.html
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