The Italian player debate

[Fabio]

This has gone on for a while in the wrong place so write about it here....

My view is that there should be at least 3 Italians in the team regularly

Fabio

[Roberto]

I second that Fabio

[Stefan]

I believe its racist to have to have certain number of players from a certain country. So I disgree 1000000000000000000000000000000%.

[Roberto]

but its the ITALIAN LEAGUE!!!! Italians should be on every team. Also I disagree with people who are saying italy doesn't have that many great players anymore because I think we have alot of world class players.

[Gismo]

I'll go back and copy all my posts then. Later tonight.

[Stefan]

but its the ITALIAN LEAGUE!!!! Italians should be on every team. Also I disagree with people who are saying italy doesn't have that many great players anymore because I think we have alot of world class players.

Thats where they play. I have nothing against having italian players in a side if they are good enough. But forcing sides to have players from a certain is just wrong imho.

[Stefan]

but its the ITALIAN LEAGUE!!!! Italians should be on every team. Also I disagree with people who are saying italy doesn't have that many great players anymore because I think we have alot of world class players.

Thats where they play. Just cause we happen to play in italy doesn't mean we have to have italians in our side. BTW what constitues italian anyway?? Is it only those who can play for the national side or does it include those like cambiasso and burdisso with italian passports??

I have nothing against having italian players in a side if they are good enough. But forcing sides to have players from a certain country is just wrong imho.

[Fabio]

Meaning of racism:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

How the federations imposing a 3 Italian player minimum is racist is beyond me!

Fabio

[Stefan]

By setting a limit that a certainplayer from 1 certain group must be in the side is diffently racist. Its saying even thought the other 1 might be better he can't be in the side cause the other 1 is from that country so he must be choosen above him hence they are saying he is superior to him.

[Fabio]

OK so say if we had the 3 Italian players rule this season. Who would be affected? Lets have a look... (this is based on Gazzetta's predicted line ups)

Atalanta
27 Calderoni
16 Rivalta
24 Sala
23 Capelli
26 Motta
18 Montolivo
8 Bernardini
7 Marcolini
6 Bellini
21 Lazzari
20 Makinwa

10 Italians, 1 foreigner


Chievo
1 Marchegiani
6 Potenza
29 Mandelli
72 D'Anna
23 Lanna
5 Luciano
33 Brighi
8 Baronio
7 Semioli
24 Cossato
31 Pellissier

9 Italians, 2 foreigners


Bologna
1 Pagliuca
20 Torrisi
5 Petruzzi
3 Gamberini
7 Nervo
6 Zagorakis
4 Amoroso
32 Capuano
10 Locatelli
11 Bellucci
15 Cipriani

10 Italians, 2 foreigners


Inter
1 Toldo
4 J. Zanetti
2 Cordoba
11 Mihajlovic
16 Favalli
7 Van der Meyde
19 Cambiasso
14 Veron
18 Kily Gonzalez
9 Cruz
30 Martins

2 Italians, 9 foreigners


Cagliari
34 Iezzo
6 Lopez
35 Maltagliati
4 Bega
31 Agostini
16 Budel
19 Brambilla
8 Gobbi
7 Esposito
10 Zola
23 Langella

10 Italians, 1 foreigner


Sampdoria
21 Antonioli
77 Zenoni
14 Castellini
19 Falcone
26 Pisano
23 Diana
17 Palombo
4 Volpi
22 Tonetto
10 Flachi
20 Rossini

11 Italians, 0 foreigners


Fiorentina
1 Cejas
25 Maggio
21 Ujfalusi
3 Dainelli
4 Chiellini
4 Ariatti
16 Donadel
14 Maresca
15 Jorgensen
9 Riganò
20 Pazzini

8 Italians, 3 foreigners


Juventus
1 Buffon
27 Zebina
21 Thuram
28 Cannavaro
19 Zambrotta
16 Camoranesi
8 Emerson
3 Tacchinardi
25 Zalayeta
9 Ibrahimovic
10 Del Piero

6 Italians, 5 foreigners

Lazio
1 Peruzzi
22 Oddo
5 Siviglia
24 Couto
8 Zauri
7 A. Filippini
16 Giannichedda
20 Liverani
14 E. Filippini
29 Bazzani
18 Rocchi

10 Italians, 1 foreigner


Livorno
1 Amelia
79 Melara
7 Grandoni
5 A. Lucarelli
69 Balleri
14 Grauso
28 Passoni
4 Vidigal
15 Doga
10 Protti
23 Colombo

10/11 Italians, 0/1 foreigners


Lecce
1 Sicignano
77 Cassetti
26 Paci
21 Stovini
3 Rullo
18 Giacomazzi
24 Ledesma
8 Dalla Bona
20 Valdes
28 Bjelanovic
31 Pinardi

8 Italians, 3 foreigners


Siena
1 Manninger
4 Mignani
7 Tudor
90 Portanova
11 Alberto
23 D'Aversa
35 Cozza
6 Vergassola
3 Falsini
10 Chiesa
32 Maccarone

8 Italians, 3 foreigners

Milan
1 Dida
2 Cafu
3 Maldini
5 Costacurta
4 Kaladze
8 Gattuso
21 Pirlo
20 Seedorf
10 Rui Costa
15 Tomasson
11 Crespo

4 Italians, 7 foreigners


Brescia
1 Castellazzi
2 Martinez
32 Di Biagio
6 Zoboli
3 Stankevicius
24 Berretta
7 Milanetto
9 Sculli
33 Wome
29 Caracciolo
40 Mannini

8 Italians, 3 foreigners


Palermo
99 Guardalben
2 Zaccardo
6 Terlizzi
21 Biava
11 Grosso
22 Mutarelli
5 Corini
4 Morrone
90 Brienza
10 Zauli
9 Toni

11 Italians, 0 foreigners

Messina
1 Storari
4 Cristante
2 Rezaei
6 Aronica
19 Parisi
24 Coppola
27 Zanchi
17 Giampà
7 D'Agostino
10 Iliev
9 Zampagna

9 Italians, 2 foreigners


Reggina
1 Pavarini
2 Cannarsa
29 De Rosa
14 Franceschini
20 Mesto
19 Tedesco
22 Mozart
3 Balestri
10 Nakamura
18 Colucci
21 Bonazzoli

10 Italians, 0 foreigners


Parma
17 Frey
5 Bonera
3 Cardone
4 Bovo
29 Camara
19 Pisanu
30 Simplicio
6 Bolano
23 Bresciano
10 Morfeo
11 Gilardino

6 Italians, 5 foreigners


Udinese
1 De Sanctis
4 Bertotto
2 Kroldrup
19 Felipe
7 Zenoni
13 Pinzi
8 Pizarro
18 Muntari
6 Jankulovski
9 Iaquinta
17 Di Michele

6 Italians, 5 foreigners

Roma
1 Curci
19 Scurto
8 Ferrari
31 Dellas
13 Chivu
30 Mancini
15 Dacourt
23 Aquilani
25 Cufré
9 Montella
18 Cassano

6 Italians, 5 foreigners


My conclusion?

If my favoured rule of at least 3 Italian players was imposed,Inter would be the only team to suffer. And if the federations made it a brilliant 5 players rule - once again Inter and Milan would be the only teams to suffer...

FORZA ITALIA!

Fabio

[Pulsar36]

The maker of this thread is the smartest man and the man with the most guts ever.

I salute you man. I salute you. I salute you. And agree.

THis crap has gone on long enough.

[Stefan]

The maker of this thread is the smartest man and the man with the most guts ever.

I salute you man. I salute you. I salute you. And agree.

THis crap has gone on long enough.

What crap?? Being open and fair to everybody?? Thats not crap. Protecting some little group is crap. And thats what this is.

And I really couldn't care if it only affects us and milan. This rule is immoral. And I am very please it will never happen. Thank God for the eu.

[Ari]

We'll have Toldo, Favalli, C Zanetti and Bobo in normal day when they're fit. Some times even Matrix.

[Handoyo]

As long as the players win and are passionate for Inter, to hell with nationality!


Handyo

[Tommi]

OK so say if we had the 3 Italian players rule this season. Who would be affected? Lets have a look... (this is based on Gazzetta's predicted line ups)[b]

Good job with the lineups!

You all know my thoughts, so i wont bore you with that.

And to hell to those EU laws. Italia is Italia, Italia is not EU and EU is not Italia. As far as i´m concerned, Italia can do whatever (well, not whatever - you know what i mean) they want to their sport laws. If it´s racism to use three italians in one italian team, then i´m proud to be a racist.

[Handoyo]

So Tommi, if you are an Arsenal fan, would you be unhappy when your team goes on a 49 match unbeaten run because the only English in the team are Ashley Cole and Sol Campbell? Would you rather choose Roma's path of a 2nd place season (03/04) and a crappy season (04/05) but with tons of Italians in your team like Cassano, Totti, Montella, Panucci, De Rossi, Perrotta, Curci, Cerci, Di Martino, Pelizzoli (spelling?), Ferrari, Tomassi?


Handyo

[Tommi]

Awful question. I cant imagine myself being an any EPL team fan. I despise EPL so i wont be answering that.

What would you choose, what would make you happier -> Seeing Inter win a Scudetto with 11 italians or seeing Milan to become second with 11 fogeigners? It´s almost the same question as yours...

[Choppin Onions]

It would be nice too see some home-grown Italian players, but frankly it's not a big issue with me as Inter has always been different than other traditional Italian teams. Their diversity (like it's fans) is why I love them and one of the reasons I started following them in the first place.

[Jimmy]

I can´t say that I have followed this debate over the days, so if I am arguing something that isn´t even on-topic, then just let me know.

However, I think that any rules containing nationalities should be strictly forbidden. If you create a rule for this, it will no longer be about football, but about human rights. If you reject a player based on their nationality, you will break the human rights rules. This is a very racist rule, and I don´t think it will gain Italy much at all. In fact, it would make the country even more facist and this is Berlusconi all over it.

But from a football point of view- sure it could gain Italian players. I´m assuming that everyone agrees on that it won´t really gain any teams, as they will be forced to approach transfers and everything in a very different matter.
I think the pressure on Italian players would even grow, and their confidence be shattered. While he might be honoured at first to represant a team like Inter, it would only be because he was born in the same country and not because he´s good enough. Therefore, I think the player would feel a bit weird by representing a team.

To make rules to strenghten Italy as a country, is pure and simple facism. Even in a simple workingplace, you´d be outraged if you were rejected the job only because you were black.

[Gismo]

Amen!

I have to disagree on some of your points though.

But from a football point of view- sure it could gain Italian players. I´m assuming that everyone agrees on that it won´t really gain any teams, as they will be forced to approach transfers and everything in a very different matter.

Even if this is true it would decrease the balance between big and small clubs. Hell, Lecce would at least have a chance at winning Scudetto and Sampdoria sized clubs have chance to be Scudetto contenders.

I think the pressure on Italian players would even grow, and their confidence be shattered. While he might be honoured at first to represant a team like Inter, it would only be because he was born in the same country and not because he´s good enough. Therefore, I think the player would feel a bit weird by representing a team.

Could be true. Still any such changes would undeniably make more and better Italian players in favor of Italia.

I had forgotten to transfer my points on this from the other thread. I pray to God I remember today.