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    Youth rejuvenation, or outright lie?

    I'm not planning to discuss the first team at all in this article, but merely the youth teams.

    Of late, the noise at Inter has been strong emphasis on the youth team. This is backed up, of course, but the youth teams winning 3 out of the 4 categories scudetti, and the victory in the NextGen competition. The message (again, no mention of the first team) at Inter is firmly 'youth youth youth' these days.

    But does this claim really hold weight?


    I'm a huge fan of the youth team, anyone who browses the Primavera section of the forums will know this. I do believe we have a very talented crop of players on our hands, but we should also look backwards.


    Our beloved Primavera have now won 3 youth scudetti under Moratti - 2001/2002, and 2006/2007. Ontop of this, runners up in 2003/04, and 2007/08. We've won the Viareggio in 2002, 2008, and 2011. The Coppa Italia was also ours in 2005/06, and runners up in 2006/07.

    We'll go through these in order.

    Primavera 2001-2002

    The starting line up that day was:

    INTER (4-3-3): Cordaz; Potenza, Beati, Ferraro, Pasquale; Franchini, Fraga, Kone; Martins, Pandev, Rullo

    Primavera 2002-2003 (we lost)

    INTER Coe; Fraga, Potenza, Franchini, Donazzan (Altobelli 72'); Adeshokan (Chiaria 76'), Biava, Napolitano (Alberoni 81'), Rebecchi; Martins, Eliakwu
    Subs not used: Gemin, Nossa, Della Fiore, Valeri
    Coach: Verdelli

    I bet you recognize even less names from this (as top players) than the previous


    Primavera 2006/07 champions



    Inter (4-4-2): Tornaghi; Fais, Bonucci, Conrotto, Fautario; Puccio (Pedrelli 84), Bolzoni, Maa Boumsong, Biabiany (Figliomeni 90+3); Balotelli (D.Esposito 90+1), Ribas.
    Subs not used: Belec, Cocchiere, Maaroufi, Litteri.
    Coach: V.Esposito.


    A few more recognizable names, but still not that many.

    The loss to Sampdoria in 2007/2008

    Inter (4-3-3): Belec; Santon, D.Esposito, Federici, Fatic; Gerbo, Bolzoni, Pedrelli (Napoli 84); Balotelli, Ribas, Siligardi (Obi 65).
    Subs not used: Tornaghi, Filippini, Caldirola, Destro, Khrin, Litteri.
    Coach: Vincenzo Esposito.


    As you can see, winning the Primavera is hardly a new thing for us. The typical lead time on seeing these players come to the first team, as well, is like 3 years. Alot of these names now are amateur footballers - if not completely retired - yet (if you browse this forum), all so highly rated at the time. There are discussions here (for example: http://forzainterforums.com/showthre...ht=carl+valeri - NOTE!! Where the ever optimistic snake is convinced the management are brilliant and always doing the right thing and everyone is class), where people herald these youth players.

    Other examples are:
    http://forzainterforums.com/showthre...Fabrizio-Biava
    http://forzainterforums.com/showthre...doulaie-Diarra



    Are we really so arrogant that somehow we can look down on these people's opinions as rubbish back then, and put our current youth players on such a pedestal? Like I said, I DO believe alot of these youth players will go on to do good, if not great, things. But I'm sure many people back then felt the exact same way.

    Clearly some of these players are quite good. But under Mancini, we had 26 youth players debut.



    Here is the full list:


    26) Filippo Mancini (17-01-2008, Inter v Reggina, Coppa Italia)

    25) Marco Filippini (17-01-2008, Inter v Reggina, Coppa Italia)

    24) Luca Siligardi (17-01-2008, Inter v Reggina, Coppa Italia)

    23) Enrico Alfonso (17-01-2008, Inter v Reggina, Coppa Italia)

    22) Aiman Napoli (19-12-2007, Reggina v Inter, Coppa Italia)

    21) Ivan Fatic (19-12-2007, Reggina v Inter, Coppa Italia)

    20) Mario Balotelli (16-12-2007, Cagliari v Inter, Serie A)

    19) Gabriele Puccio (12-12-2007, PSV Eindhoven v Inter, Champions League)

    18) Francesco Bolzoni (01-02-2007, Inter v Sampdoria, Coppa Italia)

    17) Simone Fautario (17-01-2007, Inter v Empoli, Coppa Italia)

    16) Sebastian Ribas (17-01-2007, Inter v Empoli, Coppa Italia)

    15) Ludovic Biabiany (17-01-2007, Inter v Empoli, Coppa Italia)

    14) Attila Filkor (09-11-2006, Messina v Inter, Coppa Italia)

    13) Ibrahim Maaroufi (25-10-2006, Inter v Livorno, Serie A)

    12) Leonardo Bonucci (14-05-2006, Cagliari v Inter, Serie A)

    11) Ilario Aloe (14-05-2006, Cagliari v Inter, Serie A)

    10) Domenico Germinale (14-05-2006, Cagliari v Inter, Serie A)

    9) Goran Slavkovski (07-05-2006, Inter v Siena, Serie A)

    8) Daniel Maa Boumsong (30-11-2005, Parma v Inter, Coppa Italia)

    7) Matteo MomentŤ (30-11-2005, Parma v Inter, Coppa Italia)

    6) Fabrizio Biava (15-06-2005, Inter v Roma, Coppa Italia)

    5) Marco Andreolli (29-05-2005, Inter v Reggina, Serie A)

    4) Tijani Belaid (29-05-2005, Inter v Reggina, Serie A)

    3) Hernan Paolo Dellafiore (07-12-2004, Inter v Anderlecht, Champions League)

    2) Dino Marino (21-11-2004, Inter v Bologna, Coppa Italia)

    1) Riccardo Meggiorini (14-11-2004, Cagliari v Inter, Serie A)





    do you really think we should somehow be more optimistic about the current crop than the previous crops? All of whom achieved equally as impressive, if not more so, things?



    Inter will not be a GREAT place for youth until we do an overhaul. We need, for example, the full Barca style academy. Boarding houses included. Our scouting set up is too limited - looking only (with 20 scouts in Lombardy) very locally (and 10 for the rest of Italy). The coaching changes do not help either.

    We've also always purchased 14-18 year old players, look back at some Primavera transfers and you will be hard to distinguish them from any we do nowadays.





    So, my question is, to all the optimists



    What's different? Why THESE guys?


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    Winning youth trophies =/= Having a great youth system
    Successful integration of youths into first team = Having a great youth system

    We can win 100 consecutive Primavera Scudetti/Viareggio/NextGenSeries but it means shit if we keep on treating them like used socks

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    I would go so far as to say that Inter's youth system has the wrong philosophy entirely;

    It is currently set up for best gearing young players for professional football careers. NOT careers with Inter. Thats why Ausilio and Samaden can be so proud of having 58 players in Serie A and Serie B, yet only like 2 at Inter.

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    I believe the problem is, like Strama said, there is huge gap in quality and intensity between Primavera competition and Seri A. EPL or La Liga team are easier to integrate their youth player to senior team because they have reserve competition or in Spain even they have 'B' team that could have compete in segunda division. In Italy it's harder because we have to loan or co-own them with another team and this way is proved more costly.

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    I feel this time around it will be different. For the first time, Inter are making signings that show that they are ready to go for young unproven players and blood them, rather than buy proven veterans (like they did under Mancini, Mourinho and all the jokers afterwards). The coach too has come from the youth ranks, and understands that sacrificing immediate impact for youth will benefit the club in the long run. True, Inter's academy is no La Masia or even like the famed Ajax academy, but we are at least learning. FFP has hit the club hard, and the free flow of cash during the Mourinho era cannot be counted on now. Moreover, Inter is more keen than ever to shield its youth players from rivals, after seeing what happened to Destro, Bonucci and Balotelli. So, I think Inter will slowly and surely adopt the philosophy of promoting youth players instead of just buying players. It may take a season or two, perhaps even three, but when it is completed, Inter can become a much more dominant force in Italy and Europe than it ever was. Just ask Barcelona

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konstantin View Post
    I feel this time around it will be different
    Ah the constantine effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handoyo View Post
    Winning youth trophies =/= Having a great youth system
    Successful integration of youths into first team = Having a great youth system

    We can win 100 consecutive Primavera Scudetti/Viareggio/NextGenSeries but it means shit if we keep on treating them like used socks
    This is very much spot on. Winning youth trophies doesn't mean you have gem of a talents. Even when you win, at max you can expect 1 or 2 young player with top talent will make it to first team, but if the team doesn't have it then even when you win the league, you can't promote as first team football is completely different from youth teams.

    Also the team that finished below might have 9-10 average talents and 1 or 2 very top talents, so even when they don't win the cups, the senior team will have 2 young players from the youth team.

    Here are few examples:

    Liverpool won 2005-06 FA youth cup finals against City (biggest cup for young players)
    From liverpool only Spearing made it to the first team and he is just back up who hardly plays
    From ManCity: Michael Johnson was top prospect who played 20 plus league games when he was 19
    Richards: Still the first choice RB
    Sturrige: Now at Chelsea all made it to the first team

    Liverpool won 2006-07 FA youth cup finals against ManUtd
    Again only Spearing made it
    For ManUtd: Danny Welbeck is the first choice at ManUtd and Rob Zeiler is the first choice GK for Hannover and even made debut for Germany NT


    In 2001-02 Villa beat shit out of Everton and Rooney went on to become a great player.

    Edit: One more example of 90s.

    92-93 Leeds hammered United:

    From Leeds: None of the players made it at top team

    From ManUtd: Beckham, Neville, Nicky Butt, Scholes, Phil Neville, Robbie Savage, Keith Gillespie all played in premier league and first 5 players won multiple league titles and a champions league at United.

    To sum it up, just because you won the youth cup doesn't mean you have the top talent to make it to the first team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konstantin View Post
    I feel this time around it will be different. For the first time, Inter are making signings that show that they are ready to go for young unproven players and blood them, rather than buy proven veterans (like they did under Mancini, Mourinho and all the jokers afterwards). The coach too has come from the youth ranks, and understands that sacrificing immediate impact for youth will benefit the club in the long run. True, Inter's academy is no La Masia or even like the famed Ajax academy, but we are at least learning. FFP has hit the club hard, and the free flow of cash during the Mourinho era cannot be counted on now. Moreover, Inter is more keen than ever to shield its youth players from rivals, after seeing what happened to Destro, Bonucci and Balotelli. So, I think Inter will slowly and surely adopt the philosophy of promoting youth players instead of just buying players. It may take a season or two, perhaps even three, but when it is completed, Inter can become a much more dominant force in Italy and Europe than it ever was. Just ask Barcelona

    How so?

    We blooded 26 youngsters under Mancini - aside from Benitez do you know how many have been given chances under the coaches since then? Off the top of my head, 2. Crisetig (1 minute of gameplay) and Longo (15).

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    Quote Originally Posted by monster09 View Post
    This is very much spot on. Winning youth trophies doesn't mean you have gem of a talents. Even when you win, at max you can expect 1 or 2 young player with top talent will make it to first team, but if the team doesn't have it then even when you win the league, you can't promote as first team football is completely different from youth teams.

    Also the team that finished below might have 9-10 average talents and 1 or 2 very top talents, so even when they don't win the cups, the senior team will have 2 young players from the youth team.

    Here are few examples:

    Liverpool won 2005-06 FA youth cup finals against City (biggest cup for young players)
    From liverpool only Spearing made it to the first team and he is just back up who hardly plays
    From ManCity: Michael Johnson was top prospect who played 20 plus league games when he was 19
    Richards: Still the first choice RB
    Sturrige: Now at Chelsea all made it to the first team

    Liverpool won 2006-07 FA youth cup finals against ManUtd
    Again only Spearing made it
    For ManUtd: Danny Welbeck is the first choice at ManUtd and Rob Zeiler is the first choice GK for Hannover and even made debut for Germany NT


    In 2001-02 Villa beat shit out of Everton and Rooney went on to become a great player.

    Edit: One more example of 90s.

    92-93 Leeds hammered United:

    From Leeds: None of the players made it at top team

    From ManUtd: Beckham, Neville, Nicky Butt, Scholes, Phil Neville, Robbie Savage, Keith Gillespie all played in premier league and first 5 players won multiple league titles and a champions league at United.

    To sum it up, just because you won the youth cup doesn't mean you have the top talent to make it to the first team.
    Le bump

    Just wanna highlight this post.

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    Im not reading all the posts.

    All I know is Longo, Bessa, Romano, Duncan, Crisiteg, M'baye should be given a try. Simple. They have some talent. It will be criminal to not let them try.


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    Im not reading all the posts.

    All I know is Longo, Bessa, Romano, Duncan, Crisiteg, M'baye should be given a try. Simple. They have some talent. It will be criminal to not let them try.


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