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    Ex Yugoslavian leagues

    I know that is not intersting for most of members but we have a lot of members from this places and would be intersting to hear from the first hand how strong they domestic clubs are?

    "Big clubs" are:

    Partizan Belgrade, Red Star Belgrade from Serbia
    Dinamo Zagreb, Hajduk Split from Croati
    Zeljeznicar and Sarajevo from Bosnia
    Maribor, Olimpia from Slovenia
    Macedonia: I don't know
    Zeta from Monte Negro
    Albania: I don't know


    Interesting clubs:

    Rijeka from Croatia, Italian milioner is owner and a lot of new players came, still didn't catch the momentum
    Slaven Belupo from Croatia is very good team for betting. Expirienced team, very safe.
    Široki Brijeg from Bosnia have money too. Very interesting young club.
    Vojvodina from Serbia have a good team.

    Players who coud become big:

    Croatia: Kovačić (Dinamo), Andrijašević (Hajduk), Vrsaljko (Dinamo)
    Serbia: Marković (Partizan)
    Bosnia: Hadžić (Sarajevo)

    There are probablly much more super talents what I don't know.

    Some players that played that leagues in last 10 years:


    ------ Džeko -- -Jovetić - -- - -
    - -- - - - - -- - - - - - --- ----
    - -- Modrić - - -- - Stanković --
    - -- -- - - - Cana - - -- - - - -
    - Kolarov -- - - - - - - -Srna - -
    - -- -- - -- -- - - - - - -- -- -
    - - Nastasic - Vidić - Ivanović -- -
    - - -- - - - - - -- - - - - - - -- -
    -- - - - Handanović --- - -- - - -



    So if anyone have any tips, if anyone knows that some club have help from refs or have a new owner with a lot a money this would be nice place to share that information with us that we can earn some money.

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    should we create ex Soviet Top League topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by I4E View Post
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    Why are you so puffed-up?

    Anyway:

    Anyone who lives here and loves betting undarstands how easy money can be taken. Bosnian league have bad odds and it's limited with 1 game per ticket, plus you must add another four games to play that one.

    So:

    1. Bosnian league: I can find easilly one sure game every week

    what is missing? Another four games.

    2. Pajo can find Macedonian league
    3. Coatian guys can help there
    4. Some Slovenians
    5. Anyone

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    ------ Džeko -- -Jovetić - -- - -
    - -- - - - - -- - - - - - --- ----
    - -- Modrić - - -- - Stanković --
    - -- -- - - - Cana - - -- - - - -
    - Kolarov -- - - - - - - -Srna - -
    - -- -- - -- -- - - - - - -- -- -
    - - Nastasic - Vidić - Ivanović -- -
    - - -- - - - - - -- - - - - - - -- -
    -- - - - Handanović --- - -- - - -
    This lineup is a disgrace. Where is Pandev?

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    Some decent teams out that way and I very much like a bet on most of these leagues. My number one club Hearts have played against a few ex Soviet teams in recent years.

    We played Dinamo Zagreb in 2009. They are a very strong team with some great players. We played Siroki Brijeg in a CL qualifier in 2006 winning 3-0 on agg. And also played Zeljeznicar in 2003 winning too. I think Edin Dzeko was on the bench for Zeljeznicar when we played them in Scotland but he was very young.

    Our owner is Lithuanian/Russian and we have had a lot of Lithuanian players play for our club including Edgaras Jankauskas who is now our assistant manager.

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    We can discuss here I think...

    If anyone wants to know more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jassa View Post
    I mean, Dinamo was succesfull during Mamić era, you can watch it from another perspective, looking from aside, I could see nothing wrong with Mamić, you told me he wanted to get rid of some fans, yeah, the hooligans probably that attacked him on the streets, and called his name out in the media, on stadiums, everywhere, I would like to get rid of them too if I was on his place.

    Brozović, Badelj, Kovačić, Modrić, Eduardo, Mandžukić, Ćorluka, Vida and many more are all his products, if you are watching from sports perspective, the guy did nothing wrong, he is responsible for silver on this WC, more than you and me, doesnt matter how much of a criminal he is. (Even if he is one, we both know worse criminals that dont have 1% of Mamić's productivity.


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    Inter was my first club, even tough I was born in Bosnia, first I watched WC 1998. saw Ronaldo there, cried when he lost in the finals, watched him later on a TV playing for Inter vs Parma, asked my dad, what is this team, where Ronaldo plays, he said Inter,from that point, in my mind, there was never a doubt who is my one and only team in the world.
    11 years in a row in group stage of CL/EL (with help of Platini reforms which makes things easier):

    -Overall score was 9-6-45
    -In CL score was 1-1-22
    -Overall goal difference was 38:118
    -75 % of lost matches
    -New european record of 19 straight L away
    -many awful records that i cant even remember all now
    -11 time in group of CL/EL...0 times first or second team in group


    Anyone see some kind of succes here?

    And no,11 times in a row is not a big sucess cause there is a monopol in this corrupted league so first place and qualification for CL was sure for every year.And this was path to CL group stage:

    11/12 - Nefchi, HJK, Malmo
    12/13 - Ludogorets, Sheriff, Maribor
    15/16 - Fola, Molde, Skenderbeu
    16/17 - Vardar, Dinamo Tbilisi, RBS

    Dinamo is favourite against any of this teams (ok,not RBS).




    What hooligans?Do you know that just one person got ban of European competition for the club and that was Mamić back then in 90s?
    Do you know that he hired ex BBB aka mercenaries to attack BBB?And yeah,this mercenaries was hooligans back then and now work for him.Current BBB and big hooligan problems are just



    This players are not his products.They are products of monopol in the league (which was btw. illegal but thats a whole new story) so everyone with any quality comes here and normally club will produce something through the years with so much talent here.And more importantly product of Dinamo academy which was excellent before Mamić and will be in the future.So he brings nothing new here.Also,he dont trust Modrić,Čorluka and Eduardo for few years so they played on loan at Inter Zaprešić while Dinamo was 7. on the table or something.Cause od Inter coach who made excellent job that season they are back here and not cause of him.Vida is product of Osijek academy.Mandzukic of Marsonia/Zagreb etc.


    Responsible for silver on WC? Yeah,cause he was escaping from jail in BiH and his shit and smell was finally far away from the NT.

    Remember that?NT was always kind of shit in some way and not close to his potential when he was around.Coincidence?I dont think so.


    And even all this things doesnt matter.If he was most succesful man in this galaxy that doesnt matter.He is by illegal way in the club.I doubt you know something about that.Dinamo is citizens association and we members of the club have a right to vote in election for people who will lead our club.And we never have that right in reality cause how corrupted is everything here.Not to mention he cant be club president at the same time when his son have contracts with players on the club.Conflicts of interest by law.


    Proud that fans of some giant clubs recognize situation here so we have something like this through the years:




    We in theory have a model like in Germany when fans have a right to vote in elections but in reality ths criminal is owner without the owner list and members of the club have no rights at all.

    And how can u say "Even if he is one"...he got 6 and a half months of jail for first trial on the court.But that is just beginning.There is lot more to come for all involved.

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    Best coach here for years.Now with Bjelica not so sure about that.We will see.

    And this was interesting thing also...Mamić hates coach with cojones...all good coaches goes away very soon when he was here.So he hires just pussies like K.Jurčić,A.Čačić etc.Now when he was escaping from jail Dinamo got Bjelica.Coincidence?I dont think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiamoNoi View Post
    We can discuss here I think...

    If anyone wants to know more.

    11 years in a row in group stage of CL/EL (with help of Platini reforms which makes things easier):

    -Overall score was 9-6-45
    -In CL score was 1-1-22
    -Overall goal difference was 38:118
    -75 % of lost matches
    -New european record of 19 straight L away
    -many awful records that i cant even remember all now
    -11 time in group of CL/EL...0 times first or second team in group


    Anyone see some kind of succes here?

    And no,11 times in a row is not a big sucess cause there is a monopol in this corrupted league so first place and qualification for CL was sure for every year.And this was path to CL group stage:

    11/12 - Nefchi, HJK, Malmo
    12/13 - Ludogorets, Sheriff, Maribor
    15/16 - Fola, Molde, Skenderbeu
    16/17 - Vardar, Dinamo Tbilisi, RBS

    Dinamo is favourite against any of this teams (ok,not RBS).




    What hooligans?Do you know that just one person got ban of European competition for the club and that was Mamić back then in 90s?
    Do you know that he hired ex BBB aka mercenaries to attack BBB?And yeah,this mercenaries was hooligans back then and now work for him.Current BBB and big hooligan problems are just



    This players are not his products.They are products of monopol in the league (which was btw. illegal but thats a whole new story) so everyone with any quality comes here and normally club will produce something through the years with so much talent here.And more importantly product of Dinamo academy which was excellent before Mamić and will be in the future.So he brings nothing new here.Also,he dont trust Modrić,Čorluka and Eduardo for few years so they played on loan at Inter Zaprešić while Dinamo was 7. on the table or something.Cause od Inter coach who made excellent job that season they are back here and not cause of him.Vida is product of Osijek academy.Mandzukic of Marsonia/Zagreb etc.


    Responsible for silver on WC? Yeah,cause he was escaping from jail in BiH and his shit and smell was finally far away from the NT.

    Remember that?NT was always kind of shit in some way and not close to his potential when he was around.Coincidence?I dont think so.


    And even all this things doesnt matter.If he was most succesful man in this galaxy that doesnt matter.He is by illegal way in the club.I doubt you know something about that.Dinamo is citizens association and we members of the club have a right to vote in election for people who will lead our club.And we never have that right in reality cause how corrupted is everything here.Not to mention he cant be club president at the same time when his son have contracts with players on the club.Conflicts of interest by law.


    Proud that fans of some giant clubs recognize situation here so we have something like this through the years:




    We in theory have a model like in Germany when fans have a right to vote in elections but in reality ths criminal is owner without the owner list and members of the club have no rights at all.

    And how can u say "Even if he is one"...he got 6 and a half months of jail for first trial on the court.But that is just beginning.There is lot more to come for all involved.

    @Siamo

    I know what you are talking about, I was very interested in the topic, so I followed trough.

    My opinion is, that he put some of the finest players on the scene, by giving them a chance in Dinamo, they developed in Dinamo cause he brought older international players, who taught young players the things they knew, and those young players grew into good players on an international level, he never let young players leave the club for free, or too young, only for the right price, he made money out of Dinamo, but Dinamo made profit out of him, Im sure this is the hardest region to be a president or anything like that at a football club, you are always under preasure, you always need results, and even if they come, like in Mamics case, people dont like the way you are getting them.

    About Dinamo in Champions League, you are looking only at one side of the medal, and that is a constant for you it seems, which is the bigger difference between clubs, Ludogorets-Dinamo or Arsenal-Dinamo, Lyon-Dinamo etc ?
    Ofcourse Dinamo lost 75% of their matches, because they were seeded bad, and they were always encountering atleast 2 teams in group that were 2 stratospheres above Dinamo in every possible aspect.

    To sum it up, sportswise Mamic did a good thing for your football, in legal terms its different, you can look it from many different perspectives, if he only cared for his gain, I would 100% be on your side, but he made Croatia actually good, and put a big price tag on your players, so people know, when they are buying Croatian footballers they are going to pay alot of money.

    Where is that in my country ? You think Croats are that more talented that an average player costs 50k in our league, and 500k in your leauge(made up numbers, but thats the difference right now), we cant develop, we cant sell, we dont have a regular league, and we dont have a good NT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiamoNoi View Post
    Best coach here for years.Now with Bjelica not so sure about that.We will see.

    And this was interesting thing also...Mamić hates coach with cojones...all good coaches goes away very soon when he was here.So he hires just pussies like K.Jurčić,A.Čačić etc.Now when he was escaping from jail Dinamo got Bjelica.Coincidence?I dont think so.
    Is Mamic back at running Dinamo, or he's in jail? if so, who runs Dinamo now?
    What do you mean when you say "he was escaping from jail"?

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    I feel what SiamoNoi is saying and it's a messed up situation. But reliving Stasi's dream football league far exceeds that and this seems like a playground to me

    Basically this: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/13/f...all/index.html
    this: https://thesefootballtimes.co/2018/0...of-bfc-dynamo/
    this: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war...amo-stasi.html

    and other things that people do not expect to be happening in real life, all we can say is Welcome to Greece

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    Quote Originally Posted by InterFCAustin View Post
    What do you mean when you say "he was escaping from jail"?
    I’ll give you 3 options:

    1. He escaped from jail and he’s hiding somewhere
    2. He escaped before trial ended and he’s somewhere in EU
    3. He traveled to Bosnia before trial ended and he’s living like a free man

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    He escaped from jail "accidentally" day before final decision in this trial.He knows about decision cause he has so much connections in politics,judiciary and police also.If there are not involved investigators from USA and Switzerland we will never even get to this point where we are now.

    He is in BiH and cant go in any country of European Union.Im pretty sure he will later escape to Saudi Arabia where is his brother who also got few years in jail.
    Quote Originally Posted by InterFCAustin View Post
    if so, who runs Dinamo now?
    His people so nothing really changed except that they are not that aggressive in his approach.We will see changes only when members of the club got their rights to vote on elections.
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    Dont have much time now,I will read this things later.Wanna know more about similar cases or discovered even worse.
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    @Siamo

    I know what you are talking about, I was very interested in the topic, so I followed trough.

    My opinion is, that he put some of the finest players on the scene, by giving them a chance in Dinamo, they developed in Dinamo cause he brought older international players, who taught young players the things they knew, and those young players grew into good players on an international level, he never let young players leave the club for free, or too young, only for the right price, he made money out of Dinamo, but Dinamo made profit out of him, Im sure this is the hardest region to be a president or anything like that at a football club, you are always under preasure, you always need results, and even if they come, like in Mamics case, people dont like the way you are getting them.

    About Dinamo in Champions League, you are looking only at one side of the medal, and that is a constant for you it seems, which is the bigger difference between clubs, Ludogorets-Dinamo or Arsenal-Dinamo, Lyon-Dinamo etc ?
    Ofcourse Dinamo lost 75% of their matches, because they were seeded bad, and they were always encountering atleast 2 teams in group that were 2 stratospheres above Dinamo in every possible aspect.

    To sum it up, sportswise Mamic did a good thing for your football, in legal terms its different, you can look it from many different perspectives, if he only cared for his gain, I would 100% be on your side, but he made Croatia actually good, and put a big price tag on your players, so people know, when they are buying Croatian footballers they are going to pay alot of money.

    Where is that in my country ? You think Croats are that more talented that an average player costs 50k in our league, and 500k in your leauge(made up numbers, but thats the difference right now), we cant develop, we cant sell, we dont have a regular league, and we dont have a good NT.
    But thing is he dont bring anything new to this club (and country).We have very good players before like Boban and others and we will have very good players in the future cause Dinamo is one of two biggest club in country and our people have a talent.Its not like he scouting this players or he bring some WC scout to discover them.There is well-behaved system from years before that work fine without him.Also we are selling players for good prices before him and we will sell them for good prices after him.Its was always like that here.We are some kind of Croatian Ajax.He really dont bring anything new.He just made profit for yourself with help of politics.And bring tons of other bad stuff to the club which was at the time something like Inter in some way...full of pride for his history and standing against the regime clubs.And now club is something like Juventus but 50 times worse.

    This argument about playing against big sides in the CL will be good if there will not be a fact that in this time when Dinamo went out 11 times from group stages around 50 clubs with fewer budget make it through group stages one,two,three times...

    Man...11 fucking years they are out after group stages.And they embarrasing yourself with 75% of losses in Europe.You cant be that bad even if u are trying.When I was younger and Dinamo was better club overall we finish second in group with Manchester United,Marseille and Sturm.And this was only season when only first club make it through group stage.Now they are loosing 7-1 or something against Lyon (not to mention RBS and other awful results in EL) and looking afraid in the tunnel.Back in the day we could play with every club with a lot of fighting spirit even if we lose at the end (and yeah we are some kind of losers in Europe before but nothing close to this way like now).And one of the reasons they are embarrasing yourself is cause atmosphere around the club was toxic for years and u cant play normal football in this circumstances.

    To sum it up,he didnt bring anything new and bring here hundreds of bad things.Before the club was pride of the city,today few people knows who even played in the club.Average attendance in our league was 2000 or something like that which was like Inter has 10 000 average attendances.Even in CL they cant bring more people so we play few games on empty stadium practically.One time they gave 1M for one people on the game and even than there was only 10 000 people or something like that.Embarassing.

    And one more time,most important thing...
    even all this things doesnt matter.If he was most succesful man in this galaxy that doesnt matter.He is by illegal way in the club.Dinamo is citizens association and we members of the club have a right to vote in election for people who will lead our club.And we never have that right in reality cause how corrupted is everything here.Not to mention he cant be club president at the same time when his son have contracts with players on the club.Conflicts of interest by law.
    We need elections here and all his people need to fuck out.And then we will start again like a normal club with our ups and downs.

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