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    Sunny's Transfer Track (Summer 2012)

    Everyone is doing their short review on our transfer market this summer. So I thought let me try and share mine and start up (good) debates.

    First things first, lets start with the Finances of this summer and how our wages + transfer fees look like as of 1 Sep. Some of you might not agree with the fees+wages, but lets debate that later too.

    After these comments on all our major transfers I want you to answer a few questions




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    Guarin- Awesome signing, to be put simply. He is what we need and at the rate that he's playing these days, he will become an absolute monster in midfield. Something like what Yaya Toure is for Man City. And we got him on a discount too. Brilliant and major improvement to our midfield.

    Palacio- I wasnt convinced by him and the fact that we spent 10m on him made me hate him even more. But he has slotted into the team like he has always been here. He brings tonnes of experience and the best part is can play in any of the 3 positions in attack. Again, a superb signing. His age is the only reason why this isnt a master stroke by Branca. If we can get 2-3 decent seasons out of him, it will prove to be a good bargain as hopefully one of Longo, Livaja might step up. Buffers our attack, giving us a good fall-back option.

    Handanovic- I dont think he is inferior to JC of last season, if anything he is a little better technically at the moment. Theoretically we got him on a co-ownership but I think its just an accounting gimmick and we will pay up the balance amount next summer. We all love JC but this deal at half the wages makes complete financial sense. Again, probably among the top 2-3 keepers in Serie A and we got him. Lets hope he brings the calm that JC used to bring.

    Silvestre- With Samuel looking weak in the start of the season, Chivu being Chivu and having an untested Juan and Rannochia, this CB signing is the most needed of the summer in all honesty. The financial deal to bring him here again is very good considering Bbilan were in for him too, but he has yet to show quality. He has been decent soo far whenever he played, but still not what we need in this position, but he's a good option to have as backup for Rannochia. Whether he can step it up to a starter level is yet to be found out. To me he is the least convincing signing we have made this summer, but with defenders, this is always the case till they play a few games.

    Mundingayi- Enforcer and brute strength in midfield. Cheap signing and will be backup. He will not be first choice and has the ability to win balls and play it off to the wing backs or Guarin and help us build up play. Again not the best signing, but as a backup a steal at 1.5m that too if we want to keep him. We paid more for Zarate's loan didnt we? A good backup for Gargano.

    Cassano- Despite his age, he is probably the best addition to our attack. He has the ability to hold up the ball, build plays, make the passes that matter in the final third and basically drive our team. More importantly, a reference point in attack other than Wesley and I'm sure their rapport will make both of them play better. There are signs of great movement in 2 official games already by his team-mates. We got him for free in real terms as there were not many teams that we could move Pazzo to(various reasons). Has a high wage than what most would like, but I'm confident that he will be good for the 2 years of his contract. Can turn out to be the deal of the summer and if we win something, he will have a major say. Lets not forget he wants to play for us for a long time.

    Gargano- Work rate, speed, positioning. He will be the wall in midfield, so to speak. He will be first choice and we must thank Mazzari for messing up with him to let us have him for a steal. Can truly raise the level of our midfield and has played in a similar style of play at Napoli. Different formation but same style. He is probably our quickest midfielder and again has tremendous ball winning ability. Most under-rated. Superb signing and will compete with Fantonio to be the best signing of the summer for sure.

    Pereira- I have never ever watched him play. From what little I have read he is very Roberto Carlos like and that would mean he isnt much of a defender. The LB curse cure, maybe or maybe not, this one, time will tell. But the signs are good considering how much we wanted him and the effort put in by our transfer team to get him. Hopefully adds a dimension to Inter that we have lacked for as far as I can remember. He is probably the priciest LB we have got in the last few years.

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    Pandev- Good move and good profit. Both parties needed that move and our good relations with Napoli will help everyone in this deal. When you add up the numbers, he is our biggest sale this summer.

    Lucio- Good defender, but had become more prone to mistakes. All in all, he made our wage bill lighter. When he left, I felt bad as we didnt really have a quality big-name defender anymore. But with his recent statements, and the fact that Froggy feels the faith and it shows in his performance, this deal doesnt make me sad anymore.

    Forlan- Good riddance.

    Kucka- We made a 1m reported loss on him, but we got Genoa to buy him back at 7m. That in itself is a good deal. Plus we got them to give us the other half of Longo too.

    Faraoni- Good player at best from what we have seen, but he was a necessary sacrifice to get our new GK.

    Castaignos- Didnt want to go on loan to gain experience and from what I've seen at Twente, we did well to sell him. He might turn out to be the new Henry, but it was nearly impossible for both parties to be satisfied as things stood.

    Viviano- Got him by mistake and let him go as he was not in our plans. 3m is too less for half of him, but his injury would have made him worth less than that.

    Pazzini- Like the Pandev deal, all 4 parties in this deal can benefit. Milan needed a striker, we needed Cassano and we got money, to me its easily the best deal of the summer all things considered. He is a player I very much liked, but Strama needs to be given the tools he wants.

    Julio Cesar- Sad to see him go, but it was the need of the hour. He didnt want a wage cut and we didnt want his big contract. His situation could and should have been handled better, but atleast we havent burnt the bridges.

    Maicon- Again, sad to see him go, but he isnt the player he once was and had lost the motivation. I dont think 4m is fair value but lets pray Man City pay us all the bonuses . His wage was again a huge bonus saved financially.

    Poli- I wanted to see him permanently, but I think we have better 'right-now' option in Gargano. We went for experience in about the same price and got a backup too. Might turn out to be our biggest miss, I think we tried hard enough but were not even close to an agreement with Sampdoria.

    Zarate- Not worth the price. He was beggining to show some promise, but again Cassano, Palacio are waaaaay better.

    Palombo- Money saved.


    Now here is what I want to know, if this goes well, I have a 2nd batch of questions ready:

    Who would you have not sold from the out list? Why?
    Who would you have not bought from the incoming players? Why?
    What are still our weak positions?
    Are our options enough to have a plan B or plan C formation? a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-2-3-1?
    First choice at Left sided central defender?
    Gargano or Cuchu as DM?


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    How is Julios wage 6, when he was earning 4-5, depending the source? Thus, his gross was 8-10.
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    We're seriously paying Gargano and Palacio €3.4m? Fuck me that's a lot.
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    1,7M net for both which makes 3,4 for club. That price is totally ok for these players.

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    These wages are far from accurate

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    Very good writing there...impressive..

    Who would you have not sold from the out list? Why?
    Cesar: Best Inter goal keeper i've ever seen... But maybe the club made the right decision.. one thing i am worried for him is his injury, only time will tell if he is still that good....
    Maicon: Believe Strama can revive his motivation for us... Godlike... Even he is only occasionally, still better than most of the RB that are available/non-available....
    Cutting wages should start from Chivu, Deki, worst case Cambiasso(DM easier to get) than Maicon and Cesar...
    Poli: still a good price at 5m-6m... although Gargano is better...

    Who would you have not bought from the incoming players? Why?
    Handa: prefer agility goalkeeper, prefer Cesar taking minor paycut and stay, although his injury is worrying...

    What are still our weak positions?
    CB: prefer high profile signing in this area... Only time will tell if Silvestre is the right partner for Ranocchia..
    Hope whatever Strama had in mind for this (CB partnership) works perfectly...
    Personally not very confident with our CBs.. at this moment i wont say Inter will win vs Roma coz if this area (CB)...

    Are our options enough to have a plan B or plan C formation? a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-2-3-1?
    Yes (if required players are fit...)

    First choice at Left sided central defender?
    Whom ever partner Ranocchia well, at the moment seems like Silvestre is the best bet..

    Gargano or Cuchu as DM?
    Cuchu, Gargano a more complete midfielder, energy, speed, dribbling, passing... good for defense and attack...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jnr View Post
    1,7M net for both which makes 3,4 for club. That price is totally ok for these players.
    Though somewhere it was Palacio nets 2,7m€ which equals 5,4m€ for the club to pay. Point is, these wage calculations are just speculation since we can't get correct information from anywhere.

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    Who would you have not sold from the out list? Why?

    If I have to choose 1, it would be Poli. I would still get Poli. Because, with Poli, we won't have much to do next summer except letting Stankovic go and he can cover Guarin as well. Right now, we are relying on Stankovic.

    Who would you have not bought from the incoming players? Why?

    No one. Everyone is needed and 6 out of 8 players we bought would be our starters. Even Mudingayi is needed as a back up.

    What are still our weak positions?


    Our weakest positions was MF. But it has been improved 100%. Atm, I still feel insecure with the DF. However, Silvestre-Ranocchia shows a good potential. But, I still think we need to get 1 more back up to replace either Samuel or Chivu.

    Are our options enough to have a plan B or plan C formation? a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-2-3-1?

    I think it is more than enough unless we have a very unfortunate seasons with players injury. Sneijder, Cassano, Coutinho, Alvarez and also Palacio. 4+1 players for AM. we can play 1,2, or 3 AM together. For strikers, we have Milito, Cassano, Palacio and Livaja. We can play 1 CF with Milito or Palacio, if we have secured the win like in Pescara, we can even play Livaja as a lone CF. Or 2 ST with Milito-Cassano/Palacio/Livaja. We also can play 3 strikers with Cassano-Milito-Palacio if we want to. Cassano has played this 3 striker formation with Milan before. So not a big deal. Or we can even play Cassano for a lone CF as a false 9.

    For DF is more than enough cover actually, only the quality is the concern. Jonathan is standard. Chivu and Samuel are getting tired. However, Juan has been good for us.

    For CM/DM, we have a strong MF I believe. We can play 2 or 3 MF. However, we will rely on Guarin shoulder very much this season for his role.

    First choice at Left sided central defender?


    Edit: I read the question wrong.

    Left sided CB is definitely Ranocchia. Samuel should now play as a cover. I would prefer Ranocchia-Silvestre. Or Juan-Ranocchia (Juan on the left)


    Gargano or Cuchu as DM?

    Gargano. He is faster and stronger. He covers more areas and can help the attack from deep too. Cuchu weakness has been because he is too slow. Cuchu is better where he is because he is now being covered as well if he lost the battle.
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    Should be our net wages:

    Wesley Sneijder - 6 million
    Diego Milito - 5 million
    Esteban Cambiasso - 4.5 million
    Dejan Stankovic - 3 million
    Rodrigo Palacio - 2.7 million
    Javier Zanetti - 2.5 million
    Cristian Chivu - 2.5 million
    Walter Samuel - 2.3 million
    Andrea Ranocchia - 2.1 million
    Fredy Guarin - 2 million
    Samir Handanovic - 1.75 million
    Walter Gargano - 1.7 million
    Alvaro Pereira - 1.5 million
    Matias Silvestre - 1.5 million
    Jonathan - 1.2 million
    Gaby Mudingayi - 1.1 million
    Ricardo Alvarez - 1 million
    Philippe Coutinho - 800,000 euros
    Yuto Nagatomo - 800,000 euros
    McDonald Mariga - 800,000 euros
    Juan Jesus - 700,000 euros
    Joel Obi - 700,000 euros
    Luca Castellazzi - 500,000 euros
    Vid Belec - 180,000 euros
    Matthew Bianchetti - 100,000 euros
    Alfred Duncan - 100,000 euros
    Marko Livaja - 100,000 euros
    Ibrahima M'baye - 40,000 euros

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    remember

    transfer fees are amoritized over contract length

    you also ignore cash flow from the co-ownership (for ex) of faraoni - and why is handanovc only 6m?


    assuming the new players are on 3.5 year contracts - this means we amoritize to like 50m/3.5 years = more like 15m a year


    this means for this year the net transfer affect is like +51m.

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    If you're looking for gross wages for outbound players, here's what CDS had everyone's gross wages at last season
    http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8...redellospo.jpg

    For inbound wages, we've seen all kinds of different numbers for Palacio, Chivu, etc. GDS/CDS should release their reports shortly. Might not be 100% accurate when bonuses, etc. are factored in but at least it's a common source w/ all the wage info as opposed to random FCIN reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jnr View Post
    Should be our net wages:

    Wesley Sneijder - 6 million
    Diego Milito - 5 million
    Esteban Cambiasso - 4.5 million
    Dejan Stankovic - 3 million
    Rodrigo Palacio - 2.7 million
    Javier Zanetti - 2.5 million
    Cristian Chivu - 2.5 million
    Walter Samuel - 2.3 million

    Andrea Ranocchia - 2.1 million
    Fredy Guarin - 2 million
    Samir Handanovic - 1.75 million
    Walter Gargano - 1.7 million
    Alvaro Pereira - 1.5 million
    Matias Silvestre - 1.5 million
    Jonathan - 1.2 million
    Gaby Mudingayi - 1.1 million
    Ricardo Alvarez - 1 million
    Philippe Coutinho - 800,000 euros
    Yuto Nagatomo - 800,000 euros
    McDonald Mariga - 800,000 euros
    Juan Jesus - 700,000 euros
    Joel Obi - 700,000 euros
    Luca Castellazzi - 500,000 euros
    Vid Belec - 180,000 euros
    Matthew Bianchetti - 100,000 euros
    Alfred Duncan - 100,000 euros
    Marko Livaja - 100,000 euros
    Ibrahima M'baye - 40,000 euros
    Next year our goal should be to get rid of the bold ones or atleast offer them a decent wage.. 4.5 for Cuchu is simply too much. Same for Deki/Chivu, that's 3m/2.5m for a bench player..
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    Today Stramacioni said that the club has cut wages by 40m when asked about the transfer market. So even though the individual wages might not be accurate the overall trend seems to be very similar. If you correct JC's wage savings in the list you will end up at 36+m. My calculations provide similar numbers too. So I believe it is safe to assume that at least from the wage standpoint we have 36-40m drop. That should put us below the 100m/year wage figure.

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    Honestly I think for the first time since the treble era, we had a plan in the Mercato, and we stuck with it regardless of the problems we ran into through the transfer season. No lavezzi or Lucas, no problem, and if we really did shed 40 mil in wages, that is amazing.


    If I'm reading Suneet's post correctly the Net money we saved/have now is +23 mil? If so that sets up brilliantly for the winter mercato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jnr View Post
    Should be our net wages:

    Wesley Sneijder - 6 million
    Diego Milito - 5 million
    Esteban Cambiasso - 4.5 million
    Dejan Stankovic - 3 million
    Rodrigo Palacio - 2.7 million
    Javier Zanetti - 2.5 million
    Cristian Chivu - 2.5 million
    Walter Samuel - 2.3 million
    Andrea Ranocchia - 2.1 million
    Fredy Guarin - 2 million
    Samir Handanovic - 1.75 million
    Walter Gargano - 1.7 million
    Alvaro Pereira - 1.5 million
    Matias Silvestre - 1.5 million
    Jonathan - 1.2 million
    Gaby Mudingayi - 1.1 million
    Ricardo Alvarez - 1 million
    Philippe Coutinho - 800,000 euros
    Yuto Nagatomo - 800,000 euros
    McDonald Mariga - 800,000 euros
    Juan Jesus - 700,000 euros
    Joel Obi - 700,000 euros
    Luca Castellazzi - 500,000 euros
    Vid Belec - 180,000 euros
    Matthew Bianchetti - 100,000 euros
    Alfred Duncan - 100,000 euros
    Marko Livaja - 100,000 euros
    Ibrahima M'baye - 40,000 euros
    Where are these wages from? I don't remember seeing wages of Bianchetti, Mbaye and co anywhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh View Post
    Honestly I think for the first time since the treble era, we had a plan in the Mercato, and we stuck with it regardless of the problems we ran into through the transfer season. No lavezzi or Lucas, no problem, and if we really did shed 40 mil in wages, that is amazing.


    If I'm reading Suneet's post correctly the Net money we saved/have now is +23 mil? If so that sets up brilliantly for the winter mercato.
    Huh?

    If anything, this mercato was definitely NOT A PLAN.

    We wanted lavezzi and didn't get him. Only god/allah/vishnu knows what our mercato would be if we signed Lavezzi. Then we spent 1/2 of the mercato flying to brazil to get lucas. Again, only god/allah/vishnu knows what would happen if we had to fork over the 25+mil to get that kid. Was it part of the plan to make Milan sell Ibra+Silva, which would make cassano request a transfer, for us to then sign him on trade for pazzo + money?

    The RESULT of the mercato looks good, but it surely wasn't by design or by plan.
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    Well that's a little harsh. Id say they wanted to shed salary and sign young players to fill those holes. That sounds like a plan to me?

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    I don't think the Mercato would've gone a much different way if we had signed Lucas.

    At that moment we already had acquired Handa, Silvestre, Palacio and Mudi and confirmed Guaro. Gargano would've come anyway as he costed only 1,25m on loan.

    So only Mbaye we would not have done Pazzo-Cassano and probably not Pereira.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh View Post
    Honestly I think for the first time since the treble era, we had a plan in the Mercato, and we stuck with it regardless of the problems we ran into through the transfer season. No lavezzi or Lucas, no problem, and if we really did shed 40 mil in wages, that is amazing.


    If I'm reading Suneet's post correctly the Net money we saved/have now is +23 mil? If so that sets up brilliantly for the winter mercato.
    See my post. It correctly accounts for amoritizations

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    Quote Originally Posted by browha View Post
    See my post. It correctly accounts for amoritizations

    Lol so if our net is +51 mil thats off the charts amazing..............if so then we have plenty of cash for the future

    ---------- Post added at 15:17 ---------- Previous post was at 15:16 ----------

    Unless I'm understanding it incorrectly, which is probably the case

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