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    Time to Sack Stramaccioni - What went wrong at Siena

    It's time to sack Stramaccioni.

    I'm going to do a full write up in about an hours time once I've eaten some scrambled eggs and watched an episode of Stargate Atlantis, on exactly why.


    So, let us begin.

    First of all, the regulars here will know I hate Branca, dislike Moratti's actions of late, and am a big supporter of Stramaccioni.

    I want to preface this article with the comment that I respect what Branca did this january. He got some good signings, and filled the roles we've needed (regista for one). Not perfectly - another striker and a CB would have been good, but alas. Not a disaster, as it has been previously.


    Our game against Siena perfectly sums up everything about Inter that I have criticized. Let us begin.

    First of all, Zanetti at RCM has been a disaster, and it always has been. He drifts out right naturally, and with Schelotto there, he has to do it to cover Schelotto - who was 20-30 metres ahead of our defensive line when we were out of possession at every instance. Its no coincidence that we lost two goals from where Zanetti should have been playing.

    Let us go briefly into some 'football theory'. A 3-5-2 relies on highly dynamic wing backs, who have to fulfill both wing forward and wing back duties. This means you need players with a lot of stamina, and the tactical discipline to ensure they keep running. Schelotto failed alot on the latter part, and as I said, Zanetti pushes out RW already by default. In a 3-5-2, this isnt so bad. In a 3-4-1-2, this is a disaster. You leave a huge gaping hole at RCM.

    We were fatally flawed as soon as that decision was made. The gap was there, and it was exploited. The fix, correctly, was to bring Kovacic in. What did not work was to move to a flat back 4, and pushing Kovacic out to a more AML role. As we saw, this is not his natural position and he drifted much more centrally to get involved in play. Quite correctly, too.

    Yet, we find ourselves in a position where we've just lost 3-1 to the bottom team in the league. And as I've said a few times, we're in relegation form. This continues to be true.



    The solution to all this is comparatively simple, sadly. Kudzmanovic looked good today. He did what most of our midfielders cannot. The short simple passes which retain possession and allow us to build our attacks. What we need is to employ a more familiar style. A 4-2-3-1, for example, would be very good - though we may lack the wingers to do this at the moment.

    Sadly, Strama cant see this. I dont know what happened. He had balls at the end of last season, he tried to impose his 4-2-3-1 on us and it worked, to spectacular results.

    Something is changed in Strama now, and we're in a rut I can not see him getting us out of.

    Sadly, I think his time has passed.



    The sad thing is, I do believe a PROPERLY implemented 3-4-1-2 might actually work. Work is in a reasonably loose sense, but it could at least function. Handanovic;Ranocchia Samuel JJ; Zanetti Kudzmanovic Cambiasso Nagatomo ; Guarin/Kovacic ; Cassano Milito

    Its not ideal, but at least that midfield covers our requirements. Sadly I don't think we will ever see it.


    I would much rather see something shaping up like;
    Handanovic, Zanetti Ranocchia JJ Nagatomo, Cambiasso Kudzmanovic, Palacio Guarin/Kovacic Cassano, Milito

    In the back line, you see a lot of what we had in Mourinho. A very good central defender who will hang back and clear things. One who takes the ball forward. A pair of versatile full backs. Cambiasso is of course still there, Kudzmanovic seems like a reasonable replacement for Thiago Motta... In Palacio, you need to increase his work rate, but he's always on the shoulder of the full back, looking for the offside trap. In Guarin and Kovacic, you can quite nicely replace Sneijder - they may not have the same attributes, but Guarin's impact this season is obvious, and with Cassano out on the left we have someone who overlaps well with the full back looking for space to create opportunities.

    Milito, also, is alleviated of a lot of his defensive duties which causes him a lot of problems, he can poach as he does indeed do quite well.


    I have to say, though, in conclusion, I think its simply time for Strama to go. 3-1 loss to Siena is a sacking offense. We've been in relegation form all season aside from our 7 consecutive wins, and nothing has changed with that.


    People will be tempted to ask what we expect, who we might bring in, etc. The simple solution is that, given the players we now have at Inter, any reasonable manager could make a decent team out of Inter. Where it gets hard is how to make a world class team out of us. But the players are there to make at least a decent team - a team that should be competing for the champions league spots without a doubt.
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    No need for an article, honestly.

    Firing him will do all the talking.
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    I'd like to highlight the precise mistakes, where we've gone wrong, and everything.

    I dont want to just write about why he should be fired, but rather, detail what has gone wrong, where, and when, and how we can fix it.

    I aim to make it fucking obvious what a manger needs to come in to fix this team. Because the truth is, it is fucking obvious how to make a decent team out of Inter right now. Whats hard is how to make it into a world class team, but thats why I'm not Mourinho/Ferguson/Conte/etc.

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    fax it to Moratti

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    I haven't been to this forum in a very very long while, due to many reasons. But I've found myself coming back here to find some answers as to what is happening at Inter, especially after the Siena game. I've read through some of your posts, browha, and I've really enjoyed them. I'll be looking forward to your post in this thread.
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    updated it with a bit more content.

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    Your article says nothing.. why not propose solutions instead of listing all the problems we saw you ramble on earlier about in the match thread.. like for starters who do we replace Strama with?

    You know more about our financial situation than most, so you must be aware that if we're not going to pay a player more than 3 million euros we're certainly not going to pay a coach that. So list the replacements, otherwise this article is nothing more than...




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    Strama has clearly failed in his tenure so far in Inter. But the big problem right now is I just cannot think of any replacement that we should hire instead of letting Strama finish his season. Laurent Blanc's name was mentioned, but it's not as if Blanc is a Mou or Pep. Hiring him is just more wishful thinking IMO.

    Kinda off-topic, but the number of good managers in the world of football today has just shrunk, if you compare it to 5 yeas ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyall View Post
    Your article says nothing.. why not propose solutions instead of listing all the problems we saw you ramble on earlier about in the match thread.. like for starters who do we replace Strama with?

    You know more about our financial situation than most, so you must be aware that if we're not going to pay a player more than 3 million euros we're certainly not going to pay a coach that. So list the replacements, otherwise this article is nothing more than...




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    Who do we replace Strama with? At this time, I would pretty much take anyone. I dont believe its going to take a particularly GOOD coach to make us achieve something. I think any reasonable coach with a decent set of experience can do it. I believe any coach can see the obvious fixes at Inter to bring things back together. We dont need a Mourinho, a Guardiola, or anything like that. We need someone who is more like Redknapp (much as I dislike the man), who can implement the obvious changes, who can give a piece of his mind to the players, and who has been around the block a few times.

    Advertise the job, and give it to the best man - irrelevant of "how big" a name he is, but rather, on the basis of his suggestions, and how we want to play.

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    Fair disclaimer :

    Either we sack him now, or he gets his balls back out and plays the football we saw from him last season. Because we did deliver some results under him last season, and now he's got the players he wanted to make his formation actually succeed.

    I'll take either of these two situations. What I will not take is continuing on playing this mediocre fucking football like we have done for the last few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browha View Post
    Who do we replace Strama with? At this time, I would pretty much take anyone. I dont believe its going to take a particularly GOOD coach to make us achieve something. I think any reasonable coach with a decent set of experience can do it. I believe any coach can see the obvious fixes at Inter to bring things back together. We dont need a Mourinho, a Guardiola, or anything like that. We need someone who is more like Redknapp (much as I dislike the man), who can implement the obvious changes, who can give a piece of his mind to the players, and who has been around the block a few times.

    Advertise the job, and give it to the best man - irrelevant of "how big" a name he is, but rather, on the basis of his suggestions, and how we want to play.



    I actually expected an answer from you so I read everything you wrote and honestly, browha you've disappointed me.
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    Well thanks for that useful input

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyall View Post


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    I'm Southpark impaired... And I have not stopped laughing at Captain hindsight since you posted his

    @ Browha - Redknapp ?! C'mon Bro(wha)...
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    tbh, yes. look at what he's done at QPR since coming in. He's fixed all their defensive problems, so much so they are actually getting clean sheets now (against good teams as well!). He's motivating the players, he's calling out the useless cunts who are wasting their money and getting paid too much...

    I dont think he's a good manager, his failure at Tottenham last season says alot about the man and his character, but someone of that variety who is prepared to call it as they see it...

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    Your not thinking straight right now

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    Redknapp's a tactical genius why not perfect for seria a and inter

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    I think the tactical points you raised are very good, and do point out, to some extent, what went wrong against Siena. But I must disagree with your proposed solution of simply sacking Strama and hiring any decent manager. It's essentially what we have been doing for the past few seasons with Gasperini, Benitez, Ranieri, and now Strama. At this point, I think I'll only considering firing Strama, if we find a good manager. Not a world class one, even if we could find one available in the market, but a good experienced manager who's capable of managing a team of Inter's magnitude. There are certain expectations to be met, and pressures that come along with it, of a manager of Inter, and we need one who's capable of handling that. Simply advertising the job and 'giving it to the best man' will not cut it, unless we plan on firing him come end of the season and hiring a new manager.

    Back to the tactical deficiencies at Inter, I agree with most of what you pointed out. As much as it pains me to say this, I think J Zanetti has become less and less reliable in recent days, especially in his role in a 3412 formation. He offers little offensive option when playing as RWB, and strays too much to the right as RCM. But he's still a very influential player in the team. One way to fit him into the team is IMO switching to a 4231 formation, with J Zanetti playing as RB. I agree with the 4231 line-up you posted, with the exception of Schelotto at RW instead of Palacio. You mentioned Palacio's preference to play off the shoulder of the last man, and I think he should be playing as the lone forward, rotating with Milito. Schelotto would be a better option on the RW, in theory, because he can stretch the play on that wing, with J Zanetti sitting back and helping the defence. Nagatomo and Cassano will provide the width on the other flank, with Cambiasso covering behind.
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    I have generally agreed in the last few years that sacking people has not been productive to us. In fairness, we've only sacked two managers - Gasperini and Ranieri - for performance related issues.

    However, I think we will not succeed whilst we persevere in playing the way we currently are, and I don't see Strama ever changing that.


    I dont know what happened. With the Primavera, he was a big fan of the 4-2-3-1, he let the players be expressive and understood the midfield dynamic properly (Duncan-Crisetig, with Bessa in front is a dream trio)... All that seems to be gone. 'The Special Two' nickname was certainly deserved back then.

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