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    So, Icardi's poor goalscoring record lately has been thought due to him dropping deeper, but really the next question should be "What does Icardi provide in return?"

    Does he create a chance?
    Does he give an assist?
    Does he strengthen midfield?
    Does he help defence?
    Does he release himself from defenders?
    Can he play quick one-two?

    None of those is visible in the last 3 months. There is a reason that more than 90% of Icardi's goals is inside the penalty box.

    I never doubt that Icardi will not be leaving Inter until Inter is actually the one wants to sell. Simply because there isn't any other clubs playing with a striker of Icardi type. Playing with Icardi in the last 3 months in like Juventus in the old days with Pippo Inzaghi but without Del Piero.

    I respect Icardi's ability to sneak between defenders to poach the goal. No doubt his goalscoring record is unbelievable. Without a doubt he is a master in his skills but then those are the only skills he has. He has ignored to develop many other areas over the years.

    However, his dipping performance is not because of him dropping deep but he is not focus in the game. He has been one step late for nearly everything and missing many opportunities in every single game in the last 3 months.

    In many books, Diego Milito is quite a limited player but he can still be more useful outside the box than Icardi.

    Let's take a look at Mane-Firmino-Salah trio. They have scored a total of 42 goals between them. We will say Inter can't do it because Perisic has been impotent or Politano is like a teenager who hasn't got puberty whenever he shoots. But, see deeper in the game, Firmino-Salah-Mane are very fluid. At one moment, Firmino is wide but on the other occasion Mane goes wide. They keep exchanging positions between them which disrupts the opponent defence. We can't do it at Inter. If Perisic goes into the box, we have no left wing to stretch out the defence, because Icardi stays inside as well. This pushes the wings to stay outside and lob the ball into the box, hence we have changed from Candreva crosses to Politano crosses, without real end products because we have a striker who is double or triple marked.

    I know Icardi is able to do it and I have seen him doing it many times but he doesn't develop it anymore. It is just not his area of interest. For him, the number in his goal tally is more important than any other thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    So, Icardi's poor goalscoring record lately has been thought due to him dropping deeper, but really the next question should be "What does Icardi provide in return?"

    Does he create a chance?
    Yes, he does actually surprisingly well at that regard. His teammates are great at missing them though. He'd create more chances if he was paired with another forward up front or if the midfielders knew how to attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    Does he give an assist?
    Doubt he does and it's a stupid analogy really. Assists are not a measure of anything other than the success of the recipient of a pass. He probably has around 5 should-have assists, as his teammates missed very easy chances or the ball he laid for them were excellent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    Does he strengthen midfield?

    No. It's not part of a role. What does that even mean? Strengthen it how? By chasing the opposition's box to box player or by providing creativity to supply... himself?
    Does he help defence?

    Icardi is surprisingly (again) our best non-defender defensive player when it comes to set pieces. He also chases the GK a lot and the last CB which could cause a problem for the opposition if we had more players up front or if they made a mess out of it. Sometimes they do. You might not like to call this "defending", but that's the act of being involved in a play when the opponent has the ball. So yes, Icardi defends and quite well for his role, which is to pretty much preserve energy for scoring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    Does he release himself from defenders?
    Yes. Frequently and probably is the best in the world at it. But even the best in the world cannot release himself from 2-3 players more than 3-4 times a game. Give him more space (by adding more teammates to attract defenders off of Icardi) and you'll see it happen. He was doing it in 2015 with a shit midfield and being an inferior player compared to today himself, so why is there an allegation that he cannot do so now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    Can he play quick one-two?
    Not necessarily. He can create a fast break with an 'automated triangle' situation (ie passes to player B, player B passes it to player C who lashes it to Icardi in the area) where he'll be the focal point of the offense. A one-two doesn't always work and it's not really a 'skill'. Every sane coach out there will prefer something set up in training over a one-two. These are only good when a player can constantly beat his man and he just needs an extra cushion of safety by giving it to a teammate and that place is pretty much reserved for a special few dribbling wizards or players who are very capable on the ball but have limited speed.
    Also, being at Inter, there's a high risk that Icardi's teammates would fail to reach him for the return pass


    So next question is: Swap Icardi with someone else in the world. Anyone. Who would it be and how does he do all that - since you say Icardi doesn't - and how does he also compensate for 20 goals a season? Let's hear some names please. And no gimmicks of the sort "we'll sell Icardi and change our entire midfield as well". Instant swap, today, Icardi goes, player X comes. So... find X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    So next question is: Swap Icardi with someone else in the world. Anyone. Who would it be and how does he do all that - since you say Icardi doesn't - and how does he also compensate for 20 goals a season? Let's hear some names please. And no gimmicks of the sort "we'll sell Icardi and change our entire midfield as well". Instant swap, today, Icardi goes, player X comes. So... find X.
    If you ask that same request for Branca “Ibra leaves, X comes, find X”. He couldnt answer properly either. No one can provide all-in-one packet like him. But we get stronger overall with multiple reinforcements.

    Neither does Marotta. Replace Pogba properly with whom? None. The answer was strengthen the team with Higuain AND Pjanic.

    We have the one of the best men in that regard. Let him do that planning job if it happens. Btw, as Ed. said, I dont believe anyone spend that much for a poacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblz View Post
    Well, realistically one of the many reasons he isn't scoring lately is cause he's sometimes trying to drop deeper and make something happen. Problem is there's nobody in the box then. Our biggest problem, glaring one, are the midfielders. In a 433/4231 you need to saturate players in the box, otherwise you just cross the ball to an isolated and perfectly covered striker. It just doesn't work as seen on the pitch the last couple of games.
    While I agree on our midfield and the fact that we hardly ever have enough players in the box, I'm not sure this is the case for Icardi's goal record right now. In the Bologna game he had a chance within 30 seconds to give us the lead. He didn't miss because he sucks but to me it looked like he was mentally unprepared for it. The shot he took was so off and taking a shot IIke that from that angle was ridiculous. He had another chance one on one after another Bologna fuckup and instead of shooting he tried to dribble past the keeper despite there being Bologna defenders covering that side. He just seemed to be absent from the game and not there mentally. He has way too many of these games considering he's not going to give you anything else when he's not scoring, like Suarez who will fight for every ball and try to bully defenders ni matter how bad of a game he's having in front of goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    Oooh a game with questions, I like these



    Yes, he does actually surprisingly well at that regard. His teammates are great at missing them though. He'd create more chances if he was paired with another forward up front or if the midfielders knew how to attack.



    Doubt he does and it's a stupid analogy really. Assists are not a measure of anything other than the success of the recipient of a pass. He probably has around 5 should-have assists, as his teammates missed very easy chances or the ball he laid for them were excellent.

    Does he help defence?

    Icardi is surprisingly (again) our best non-defender defensive player when it comes to set pieces. He also chases the GK a lot and the last CB which could cause a problem for the opposition if we had more players up front or if they made a mess out of it. Sometimes they do. You might not like to call this "defending", but that's the act of being involved in a play when the opponent has the ball. So yes, Icardi defends and quite well for his role, which is to pretty much preserve energy for scoring.



    Yes. Frequently and probably is the best in the world at it. But even the best in the world cannot release himself from 2-3 players more than 3-4 times a game. Give him more space (by adding more teammates to attract defenders off of Icardi) and you'll see it happen. He was doing it in 2015 with a shit midfield and being an inferior player compared to today himself, so why is there an allegation that he cannot do so now?



    Not necessarily. He can create a fast break with an 'automated triangle' situation (ie passes to player B, player B passes it to player C who lashes it to Icardi in the area) where he'll be the focal point of the offense. A one-two doesn't always work and it's not really a 'skill'. Every sane coach out there will prefer something set up in training over a one-two. These are only good when a player can constantly beat his man and he just needs an extra cushion of safety by giving it to a teammate and that place is pretty much reserved for a special few dribbling wizards or players who are very capable on the ball but have limited speed.
    Also, being at Inter, there's a high risk that Icardi's teammates would fail to reach him for the return pass


    So next question is: Swap Icardi with someone else in the world. Anyone. Who would it be and how does he do all that - since you say Icardi doesn't - and how does he also compensate for 20 goals a season? Let's hear some names please. And no gimmicks of the sort "we'll sell Icardi and change our entire midfield as well". Instant swap, today, Icardi goes, player X comes. So... find X.
    He hasn't done any of those you mentioned in the last 3 months.

    I said I know he can do it and have seen him done it but he doesn't develop them. He doesn't utilise those skills in his week in week out.
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    As snake so correctly said, Icardi is a child with an eye for goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
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    Yes, he does actually surprisingly well at that regard. His teammates are great at missing them though. He'd create more chances if he was paired with another forward up front or if the midfielders knew how to attack.



    Doubt he does and it's a stupid analogy really. Assists are not a measure of anything other than the success of the recipient of a pass. He probably has around 5 should-have assists, as his teammates missed very easy chances or the ball he laid for them were excellent.

    Does he help defence?

    Icardi is surprisingly (again) our best non-defender defensive player when it comes to set pieces. He also chases the GK a lot and the last CB which could cause a problem for the opposition if we had more players up front or if they made a mess out of it. Sometimes they do. You might not like to call this "defending", but that's the act of being involved in a play when the opponent has the ball. So yes, Icardi defends and quite well for his role, which is to pretty much preserve energy for scoring.



    Yes. Frequently and probably is the best in the world at it. But even the best in the world cannot release himself from 2-3 players more than 3-4 times a game. Give him more space (by adding more teammates to attract defenders off of Icardi) and you'll see it happen. He was doing it in 2015 with a shit midfield and being an inferior player compared to today himself, so why is there an allegation that he cannot do so now?



    Not necessarily. He can create a fast break with an 'automated triangle' situation (ie passes to player B, player B passes it to player C who lashes it to Icardi in the area) where he'll be the focal point of the offense. A one-two doesn't always work and it's not really a 'skill'. Every sane coach out there will prefer something set up in training over a one-two. These are only good when a player can constantly beat his man and he just needs an extra cushion of safety by giving it to a teammate and that place is pretty much reserved for a special few dribbling wizards or players who are very capable on the ball but have limited speed.
    Also, being at Inter, there's a high risk that Icardi's teammates would fail to reach him for the return pass


    So next question is: Swap Icardi with someone else in the world. Anyone. Who would it be and how does he do all that - since you say Icardi doesn't - and how does he also compensate for 20 goals a season? Let's hear some names please. And no gimmicks of the sort "we'll sell Icardi and change our entire midfield as well". Instant swap, today, Icardi goes, player X comes. So... find X.
    You are exaggerating a lot. First of all, Icardi doesn't provide almost nothing when drops deeper. Yes, he has some nice moves but they are on or two per game. You makes him to look like some great assisting and goal-creating machine, which he is definitely not. About his defensive contribution upon set pieces, i do agree but his chasing the goalie is really ineffective and pointless, although i blame Spalletti here because we have no clue how to take advantage of our high pressing.
    Yes. Frequently and probably is the best in the world at it. But even the best in the world cannot release himself from 2-3 players more than 3-4 times a game. Give him more space (by adding more teammates to attract defenders off of Icardi) and you'll see it happen. He was doing it in 2015 with a shit midfield and being an inferior player compared to today himself, so why is there an allegation that he cannot do so now?
    That is the most ridiculous statement in your comment. Icardi sucks of release himself of defenders. He sucks in beating defender one-one. He sucks when has defender on his back. He is really good only when get the ball in the penalty area because the defenders don't know when he will shoot and he gets advantages of that and sometimes pull off some really nice moves.
    He can create a fast break with an 'automated triangle' situation
    Ok, he can but doesn't do it. Vecino also can pass tha ball forward but he doesn't do. Nainggolan can be very useful player but he's not at this stage. You get what i mean?
    So, stop trying to make Icardi as some super-mega great player outside of the penalty area cuz he's not.

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    Icardi is a top 10 goal scorer in this club's history and he still gets criticised.

    Yeah he's the problem

    Some people deserve Rocchi and Osvaldo up front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toninu View Post
    Icardi is a top 10 goal scorer in this club's history and he still gets criticised.

    Yeah he's the problem

    Some people deserve Rocchi and Osvaldo up front.
    Osvaldo the guy almost punch Icardi in the derby and screamed abuse at Nagatomo after one of his laughable crosses, LGI tbh, that's the kind of players we need on the team right now.

    I'm not surprised at the people's reactions, when things go south it's natural to keep searching who should take the most of the blame. I personally believe that many different things has gone wrong at the same time, when it rains it pours, despite everyone's imperfections starting from Spalletti, Icardi, Vecino, Nainggolan etc.. but only very few months back that exact same group was having the period of their life winning right and left, the same players and the same coach, only few would have predicted this isn't going to last, luck aint always gona be on your side that's when you realize you should have built on firm foundations and pillars of hard concrete, not on luck and circumstances, but of course for most cases, we didn't have much choice, but for others we had, and when everything works against you this is the result you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varmin View Post
    Icardi sucks of release himself of defenders. He sucks in beating defender one-one. He sucks when has defender on his back. He is really good only when get the ball in the penalty area because the defenders don't know when he will shoot and he gets advantages of that and sometimes pull off some really nice moves.
    I'm sorry but your phrase is the only way I can respond to this.

    Quote Originally Posted by varmin View Post
    That is the most ridiculous statement in your comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toninu View Post
    Icardi is a top 10 goal scorer in this club's history and he still gets criticised.

    Yeah he's the problem

    Some people deserve Rocchi and Osvaldo up front.
    Yes he is doing good for himself, but not very good for the team...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wera View Post
    Yes he is doing good for himself, but not very good for the team...
    Yes, all these goals he scores at the expense of the club.... What an asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wera View Post
    Yes he is doing good for himself, but not very good for the team...
    Did I write own goals?
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    Yes he is doing good for himself, but not very good for the team...
    Much like handa who only makes saves when he feels like it, but does nothing for the team!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adriano@10 View Post
    Much like handa who only makes saves when he feels like it, but does nothing for the team!!!
    People here expect Handa to be more like Neuer who goes out and does help with defense as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snake View Post
    Icardi is a fucking simpleton. He is basically a child with a good instinct for goal. What he did to Maxi, Perisic and Brozo is just proof that he is pretty unintelligent and doesn't think about reprucussionas.

    His statement about loving Inter when it's going bad was probably not thought through. He probably didn't think how it could impact those who had supported Inter when Wanda first started giving Maxi blowjobs (with those big ass lips fuck yeah)
    What did he do to brozovic and perisic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanorini View Post
    What did he do to brozovic and perisic?
    They made a gullible idiot post on an internet forum.
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