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    Rise and Fall of Wesley Sneijder

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    On June, Netherland natioanal team have a tour to Indonesia. It supposed to be joyful occasion with tropical sunshine, new experience in new country, fans greetings, and leisure match. Alas, it turned out to be sour trip for Sneijder. Van Gaal confirmed that Sneijder was stripped of his national team captaincy and replace him with Van Persie who wore it in the match against Indonesia national team. And recently, he is omitted from national team squad in friendy match against Portugal at next month. With such precedence, there is chance he will lose the spot forever. What is happening to the player who once regarded as the one of world best players ?

    Continuity between Mourinho and Van Marwijk



    He played for Ajax in 2002-2007 seasons and Real Madrid in 2007-2009 seasons, but it was in year 2010 which saw him at the peak of his career. He was the key element for Inter Milan in historic treble winner 2009/2010 season. He also brought Netherlands into runner-up position in World Cup 2010. When he was omitted from top 3 nomination Ballon D’Or 2010 award, the whole world fumed upon such idiocy. Even Xavi (the 3rd winner) acknowledged Sneijder as the better candidate. Such global accolade confirmed his status as one of the best player in the world.

    At that time, Sneijder gained benefit from the match-up between him and the coaches, i.e. Mourinho and Van Marwijk. Both of them are fans of counter-attack football. They both love to contain opponent’s onslaught before launching incisive counter-attack. Here, Sneijder acted as the key player to provide the pass to expose the space abandoned by attacking side.

    At Inter, he wasn’t deployed at central midfielder, the position he used to play since he was in Ajax. Instead, he played as a trequartista. At first, such decision raised a lot of eyebrows. He was not the same mould as Totti, Zidane, Boban, or Rui Costa. But it turned out that Mourinho had different concept of trequartista in his counter-attack football scheme. Sneijder wasn’t meant to dictate the flow of the game, but to provide key assist in minimal possession time.

    One good example was when Sneijder provided the assist for Milito’s 1st goal against Bayern Munich in UCL Final 2010. After Julio Cesar claimed the ball, he punted the ball far upfield to Milito. Then, the Argentinian head the ball to Sneijder then the latter gave the ball back to Milito, shot, and goal. The process only involved 3 players, 6 touches, and few seconds to cover from end to other end of the pitch.

    This is where Sneijder adept at. He isn’t a classic trequartista, he also isn’t a pure passer like Xavi or Pirlo. Instead, he is very unique for being a direct playmaker. He isn’t the playmaker who controls the game, he doesn’t connect millions passes to retain the possession as long as possible. Instead, he must capitalize every available second to launch swift and deadly counter-attack.

    Also, don’t forget his ability to execute set-piece especially direct freekick. His setpiece ability complements himself as the counter-attack specialist. Foul is one of effective ways to nullify the counter-attack. But, when there is deadball specialist in opposition team, the foul will be punished and the freekick scenario will be equally dangerous to counter-attack scenario. Foul is easily conceded when the defenders (countered team) are in much slower state then attackers (coutering team). Such circumstance happens a lot in counter-attack when the attackers already reach their fullspeed while the defenders must either backrun or need time to reach their fullspeed.

    Moratti’s Quick Trigger Finger Backfires Him and Sneijder

    After the succesful continous spell with Mourinho and Van Marwijk, he certainly didn’t expect the disaster would come so quickly. Over the next 3 years, 5 different coaches handled Inter viz. Benitez, Leonardo, Gasperini, Ranieri,and Stramaccioni. Contrary to the continuity he used to enjoy with his coaches, now he had to deal with 5 coaches with different concept in each’s head. Also, he suffered the relapse of repetitive injuries that once plagued him and now it haunted over him again. Inter and Sneijder suffered excruciating seasons during those years, but for the latter, the time with Gasperini, Ranieri, and Stramaccioni were his worst.

    Gasperini was the fan of 3-4-3 formation and he made it clear from very first day that he would use it regardless the players he had in the squad. For him, the players must adapt to the coach. The biggest problem for Inter was, Moratti didn’t trust Gasperini and his 3-4-3. Then, he didn’t comply to the players that Gasperini demanded therefore wondered us why he appointed Gasperini from the very first place. For Sneijder, 3-4-3 formation was disaster because he couldn’t unleash his full potential. Eventually, Sneijder didn’t have to adapt further to the formation because Gasperini only lasted for but 5 matches.


    The appointment of Ranieri brought some fresh air for Sneijder. He has the title of Tinkerman for his ability to repair the sinking team and adapt with his environment. He is also the fan of counter-attack football thus bringing the optimistic feeling for Sneijder to replicate his top form again. Too bad, all his hopes vanished in the series of unfortunate occasions. Another injury hit him again. When he was treating his injury, it coincided with 7 consecutive win in Serie-A by Inter. By the time Sneijder recovered and returned to the pitch, Thiago Motta (who was very vital to Ranieri tactic) was sold to PSG and soon the team lost their balance. Both occasions coincided with Inter’s lost streak and it was dilemma for Ranieri and Sneijder. Should Ranieri keep his winning team without Sneijder ? Or should he use Sneijder to cover the loss of Motta (which implied the overhaul of system because both of them are 2 different players) ? For Sneijder, how could he give his 100 % if he, club, and fans see him as 1 of factors which led Inter to the downfall ? Either it was true or not, it sure lowered his confidence and messed his head hence non-optimal performances for the rest of season. Oh, and another injury hit him.

    After result crisis and fitness crisis, now tactical crisis also piled up to Sneijder’s misery. Still a mistery until now how Sneijder adjusted his playing style to inverted winger. His starting position wasn’t from the center anymore, but from the left. It was just so freaking ludicrous. The inverted winger position is designated for dribbler with fast pace and quick turn rate while they are obviously not Sneijder’s strong points. If he was about to change his position, he should revert himself into central midfielder like he used to do in Ajax or Madrid or to deep lying playmaker which is favoured in modern football. He chose neither of them and ….

    …the result was an utter disaster. He isn’t Robben who is comfortable as the inverted winger and menacing opposition defence. His lack of quickness restricted him for being effective inverted winger. His ego and impatience led him to excessive and wasteful irrational longshots, much to the annoyance to the fans. His freedom was restricted as he was no longer stationed at the center of the park. The disastrous result at Inter during 2011/2012 season and Netherlands at Euro 2012 sank him into even deeper frustration.

    During Stramaccioni tenure, the situation was even more ridiculous. Sneijder was hit (again) by injury, but when he was totally recovered, he was sidelined due to his unwillingness to sign the newer contract which would cut his salary significantly. After all cheap soap dramas, Sneijder was offloaded to Galatasaray for mere €6 million.
    Epilogue; 1-Pass-1-Assist Midfielder

    He has just begun his quest at Turkey for 6 months and it is difficult to forecast how his career will turn out to be. Theoritically, it would be difficult. One key factor is his uniqueness as direct playmaker as opposed to dictating playmaker. Being unique is great because the it gives more thought for opposition to find the solution. Being unique also means the lack of competition for certain position and role. There are many great dictating playmakers out there, e.g. Xavi, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Modric, Xabi etc, but there is only 1 great direct playmaker to lead the counter-attack : Sneijder. That’s why Sir Alex Ferguson was so persistent to sign him. Now, his uniqueness becomes his drawback as there is only 1 way to utilise him. With more and more teams favour the possessive and attacking football, Sneijder must adapt himself to the recent change in football evolution. It would be impossible for Fatih Terim to adjust his style into counter-attacking football only to accomodate. Sneijder has no choice. He must adapt to Terim’s need and the rest of his career will depend on how adaptive he is.


    Sneijder had only brief spell of prominence, but it was enough to incur the ripple of his influence to the other side of Atlantic Ocean. It was no coincidence that Ganso’s breakthrough was approximately when Sneijder his his peak. Ganso had unique characteristic as a playmaker. He might go invisible for many minutes before unlocking the defence with 1 flick. Surely it is different from Sneijder, but the point is both of them have unique knack to unlock the defence with minimum time. It is interesting to imagine how would current football be if Sneijder manages to keep playing at highest level and Ganso isn’t vulnerable to injury. Now, we see the death of the poacher. Poacher is the sort of striker whose task is only and only to score a goal. The best example are Inzaghi, Gerd Muller, Chicarito etc. Because he doesn’t have any other ability beside scoring, he should and must capitalize every chance to put the ball at the back of the net hence the term of 1-shot-1-goal comes. Sneijder and Ganso are the midfielder version of the poacher, only in this case they must convert every pass to assist. If both of them dominate world football now, maybe the concept of specialist midfielder will not evolve into complete midfielder as we experience now, but into 1-pass-1-assist midfielder. Maybe the main objective of every team isn’t about dominating possession to limit opponent’s chance, but how to utilize limited time as efficient as possible. Maybe the poacher will emerge once more because the team will aim to score in limited time as opposed to the targetman. Maybe, oh well, there is no end for “if “ and “maybe” in football.
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    Who gives a fuck about him enymore... ... Its should be "Raise and Fall on Snaijders paycheck".....

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    I am too lazy to read all of this nonsense. Sneijder was a key player for the Netherlands since 2006. In EURO 2008 he was their best player. Same goes for WC 2010. And in EURO 2012 he was not only their best player in their lousy team, the medias also said he was the only star player that tried to fight the individualism and bad team spirit in the Dutch team.

    He was great during his time at Ajax and was sold for Ajax' record fee. He then he was a key player in Reals champion campaign 2008. He was then sold to us because he was unlucky with injuries and Real went crazy in summer 2009. His 2009/10 season was amazing, but also in the season 2010/11 he was one of our bests when fit. And now he plays for Gala what's not only his fault. Also our management does its best to fuck this whole story up.

    Of course the year 2010 was the peak of his career but he was/is nothing like a "one-hit-wonder" under Mou and van Marwijk.

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    was there a need for a thread? for Sneijder?
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    Where is Yolanthe factor ?

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    Yeah it's a very detailed post and credit to you for that but it could easily be posted in his thread. Coupled to this I'm with those who really don't care anymore.

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    I've always wanted Sneidjer to join us from that Saturday in 2006 when he scored that incredible goal for Ajax against. And when he finally did, I had never been happier.

    Sneijder was amazing in his first season and great in his second. By the third one however he turned into a drama queen and an asshole and I hated what he had become especially since his performances had gone to the shitter.
    Best match thread opener ever.

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    He'll always be the 2010 Ballon d'Or winner to me. I still don't know what Messi did that year that people actually believed he deserved it more than Sneijder or any of the world cup winners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNetworkZ View Post
    He'll always be the 2010 Ballon d'Or winner to me. I still don't know what Messi did that year that people actually believed he deserved it more than Sneijder or any of the world cup winners.
    Sucked some dick, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starmo4 View Post
    Who gives a fuck about him enymore... ... Its should be "Raise and Fall on Snaijders paycheck".....
    When you write about something, you shouldn't take your personal sentiment into account.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergpavian View Post
    I am too lazy to read all of this nonsense. Sneijder was a key player for the Netherlands since 2006. In EURO 2008 he was their best player. Same goes for WC 2010. And in EURO 2012 he was not only their best player in their lousy team, the medias also said he was the only star player that tried to fight the individualism and bad team spirit in the Dutch team.

    He was great during his time at Ajax and was sold for Ajax' record fee. He then he was a key player in Reals champion campaign 2008. He was then sold to us because he was unlucky with injuries and Real went crazy in summer 2009. His 2009/10 season was amazing, but also in the season 2010/11 he was one of our bests when fit. And now he plays for Gala what's not only his fault. Also our management does its best to fuck this whole story up.

    Of course the year 2010 was the peak of his career but he was/is nothing like a "one-hit-wonder" under Mou and van Marwijk.
    Care to elaborate where is the nonsense ?
    I didn't write anything bad about him.
    About the career outside Inter, I deliberately skipped most of it because the most interesting point of his life was at Milan.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNetworkZ View Post
    He'll always be the 2010 Ballon d'Or winner to me. I still don't know what Messi did that year that people actually believed he deserved it more than Sneijder or any of the world cup winners.
    Because of staggering personal record by Messi.
    I rooted for both of them to be the winner, but he didn't make it to the big 3
    ps : Milito snub from 23 names shortlist was even more ridiculous
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    Messi scored a bunch of goals. Sneijder was arguably the main player in Inter's treble winning season and Holland's world cup run. I think that's a hell of a lot more of an accomplishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNetworkZ View Post
    Messi scored a bunch of goals. Sneijder was arguably the main player in Inter's treble winning season and Holland's world cup win. I think that's a hell of a lot more of an accomplishment.
    won the world cup?

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    i was a huge a fan of sneijder since his ajax days (and i still am). a news programme of our local malaysian TV has been showing highlights of selected eredivisie matches for years (for some unknown reason as eredivisie is not even popular in malaysia). he scored tons of magnificent goals (mostly long range strikes) for ajax back then and i was very impressed. i still remember that he even scored a superb goal against us in a friendly match (somewhere in 2005 or 2006 i guess).

    i was always yearning for sneijder to join us. so when he eventually did in 2009, i was very excited. his debut against milan was superb. his first season with us was amazing. such a shame that he was never able to produce that 2009/2010 form since then. and he had to leave us in such an ugly fashion, thanks to our fucked up management.

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    No talk of his head becoming too big for his body after 2010?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starmo4 View Post
    won the world cup?

    Typo, my bad!

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    i've always thinked he's just a good player, but never been one of the bests.
    He reached his prime in the season 2009-2010, after and before he's had good seasons, but never really decisive

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    I've read articles that argue it was psychological, Mourinho knew how to keep Sneijder happy while other coaches didn't, so he couldn't match his 2010 standards.

    I say that, aside from that fair point, no one's tactics actually gave Sneijder the space he needed. The only time we had a system that Sneijder could revel in, I'll argue, was the winning streak under Strama. Since Irequis covered the counter-attacking bit, I'll focus on other parts of the tactics.
    First, there was Benitez. Yes, Sneijder wasn't fit at all during Rafa's tenure, but I'm willing to ignore that and just look at the pure strategy. Rafa used inverted wingers pressed high up the field, so not only were they ahead of Sneijder all the time, but they were also looking to get into central positions right away. This put a lot of responsibility on Sneijder's shoulders and his options were limited to passing the ball to a central position. Under Mourinho, Eto'o and Pandev took a lot of pressure off of Wes by playing in the same line as him and staying wide a fair bit longer. This opened up space for Wes and gave him multiple options, he used both very well. With Rafa, Sneijder had less options and less space, that was never gonna work.

    Leonardo's system had us attack with more players and use the wings a bit more, so Sneijder had better odds there. The system was a tactical mess overall, so I'll stop there.

    Gasperini had Murphy's Law whoop his ass, so I won't cover that. Ranieri tried a 4-4-1-1 with Sneijder, but that missed half of what Mourinho did. Ranieri had the width, but his wide players didn't attack enough for Sneijder to have options, we only had Sneijder and Milito attacking, so Sneijder's only options were to try and find Milito or to try and do it all himself. Thus began the bitchy pre-Guarin act.

    What Strama's 3-5-2 had was constant width thanks to the WBs, reliably 3 options ahead of him (Milito, Cassano, Naga), and the fact that he wouldn't have been the main assist machine, Cassano was. All that added up to a fairly good system for Sneijder, shame we never got to see him in it. One could argue that the Wes-Cassano-Milito trio's lack of defending was what fucked us in the early season, I suppose we'll never know.

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