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    VAR is undeniably a good thing. Especially for us, as last couple of seasons, it seemed impossible for us to get awarded a penalty. Last year we got five in total, this year we have two already, after just three games.

    Anyhow, the only thing that's bothering me is why didn't they review SPAL's situation. Even if the ref is 100% sure about the decision it still leaves an impression that VAR is used in favour of the big teams, and if the point of the system is to bring clarity and justice, then this way refs are making it work against itself.
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    it was very weird cause it was pretty obvious that the foul was inside the area. i can understand that the referee didn't see it, even though it was a serious mistake, but why was mazzoleni (the var dude) so unsure?

    maybe he thought he wasn't a foul? but the ref didn't question it, only the position.

    i feel reassured by var, it sets things straight, but 5 minutes? still, i'll take the var. but they must be quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wings View Post
    Reviving this thread because it was a good idea, and I'm curious about your opinions. Has VAR been good or bad idea? Obviously greater accuracy is a worthy goal, but is it worth the pause in the matches? Thought it would be interesting to ask because while some teams might have been robbed, we did benefit from it against SPAL.

    And for the sake of making this interesting let's leave out stuff about referees abusing VAR to make bad calls. If there's incompetence or corruption, that's an issue with referees, not with VAR.
    In Bundesliga there was hardly any delay. I think Bayern got penalty against Leverkusen, Ref completely missed it and game was still on. Few seconds later (5-10) ref just pointed to the spot. Loved the way Bundesliga used it.

    Also this week, Dortmund player was caught above ankle and was given yellow but when the player was still on the ground ref changed the decision to red. It was done quick enough.

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    VAR is great but what need to be changed is let fans in the stadium see the incident on the big screen instead of only the referee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by firmino View Post
    it was very weird cause it was pretty obvious that the foul was inside the area. i can understand that the referee didn't see it, even though it was a serious mistake, but why was mazzoleni (the var dude) so unsure?

    maybe he thought he wasn't a foul? but the ref didn't question it, only the position.

    i feel reassured by var, it sets things straight, but 5 minutes? still, i'll take the var. but they must be quick.
    Not sure if that is the case but the commentator of the station where i was watching the game said that if the initial judgement by the ref gets altered through usage of the VAR the ref then has to go to the screen on the side line to see for him selfe. Not sure if thats true but that would partially explain why so much time was wasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firmino View Post
    it was very weird cause it was pretty obvious that the foul was inside the area. i can understand that the referee didn't see it, even though it was a serious mistake, but why was mazzoleni (the var dude) so unsure?

    maybe he thought he wasn't a foul? but the ref didn't question it, only the position.

    i feel reassured by var, it sets things straight, but 5 minutes? still, i'll take the var. but they must be quick.
    If I have to give the referee the benefit of the doubt I think he was trying to see if it was a dive or not.

    Yeah I wouldn't have a problem at all in the example that monster mentioned. It's like goal-line technology. Play simply continues until someone alerts the referee that there's been a foul. But in the opposite case, suppose a team is attacking and getting close to goal, and the referee halts for a foul. But VAR shows there to be nothing, and now all the attacking momentum for that team is gone. Seems a bit harsh for that team through no fault of their own.

    I guess my question isn't really whether VAR is good or not, because I think I agree with most of you in that VAR is good, but what's the best way to avoid delays like that.

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    They'll work out the kinks and start to streamline it a bit. The speed of the reviews should be remedied pretty quickly I think - what will be tough to administer will be consistency on when and when not to go to the VAR. What is and should be reviewable and when will be the toughest part of the implementation. The rest of the issues I think should be pretty easily resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJM View Post
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    And apparently Buffon was the best keeper in 2017 what a fucking joke these awards are.
    Which matches do you feel more, those with Juventus or Milan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh View Post
    The flip side of that is that Totti played with shit his entire career and is still considered one of the greatest.
    According to who? I've never ever heard anyone mentioned him when talking about the greatest
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    I'd say in the past 10 or 15 years, he's definitely in the conversation for the top 10...........why is that so outlandish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh View Post
    I'd say in the past 10 or 15 years, he's definitely in the conversation for the top 10...........why is that so outlandish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candreva Crosses View Post
    is this some kind of falcao law? aren't you from egypT?
    I feel like you're just disagreeing to disagree............what's your opinion on Totti, since right now you're more concerned about what I have to say rather than your own opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh View Post
    I feel like you're just disagreeing to disagree............what's your opinion on Totti, since right now you're more concerned about what I have to say rather than your own opinion.
    My opinion is that he isn't close to top 10 since I can name 10 other people better than him.
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    last 10 years totti top 10?

    lmao wut?
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    One could argue that Totti has been a top 10 player for most seasons in the last 20 years. Maybe even top 5 in his prime (1997-2007 imo). But most of his good seasons were in that period, after 2007 until 2017 he was just a very good player with some great seasons. Wouldn't see how he could be top 10 from the turn of the decade except maybe the first years but that too might be a stretch.

    I'd say between 1997 and 2007 the only players who can claim to be heads & shoulders in most seasons over Totti were Ronaldo, Zidane, Luis Figo, Ronaldinho in his peak (2003-2007), Rivaldo in his peak (up to 2001), Batistuta in his peak (up to 2001 as well) and I'd say Raul as well.
    Then there's some defenders like Nesta, Maldini, Stam, Cannavaro, Roberto Carlos and Zanetti who are valued and rated differently plus goalkeepers who are on a different level. Players who could argue they were on par with Totti for particular seasons could be Shevchenko, Vieri, Henry, Bergkamp, Giggs, Veron, Mendieta, Del Piero and so on.

    So really for 1997 to 2001 there was Ronaldo, Zidane, Figo, Rivaldo, Batistuta and Raul that were probably better than Totti for sure throughout the years (not every season though) and then there was argument for others who've had great years in contrast to Totti's season, from 2003 and on Ronaldinho is on that list. He never got any love really. He only got respect in his early 30s because he stuck with Roma and that's how he's viewed, as someone who played for his team and not as a great player. Can't find much argument for 2008-2017 to put him in a top 10 list. I think the highest he got voted for Ballon d'Or was in 2001, 5th place. And even then, you had David freaking Beckham voted over him. If you check the votes, he often disappeared and then was in the top 10 or so. He's a name everyone knew but no one respected as a football player that much. Plus, these votes are given based on a team's season performance and name value, not for quality and the actual player's performance. No Europe, no love. Same happens with Handanovic and Icardi now. They don't get any love.


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