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    Is these player worth the price? Or do you think some of them overprice/underprice?
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    Why criticize like he was the worst player in the team?
    either people are having a high standard for inter or they just racist

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    Issues:

    1) Transfer prices are too high. Excessively high. Unnecessarily high.

    2) The order of those transfers is quite funny.

    3) Some names on the list are just too funny. Both as names and as the quality of their bearer.

    4) I'd argue that Bonucci and Salah are the only "reasonable" transfers in terms of their fee. Probably Matic as well, it'd be nitpicking to call him 'slightly overpriced'. If you compare to previous eras, quality and (imaginary, can't bother to check) adjusted inflation. And I'm completely ignoring the transfermarktd valuations.

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    Every player is considered overrated by someone in the world.


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    Mohamed Salah is never overpriced, he's always underrated
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    Chelsea paid 40 million for Drinkwater?

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    Chamberlain and siggurdsson are way to high
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADRossi View Post
    If you guys had to make a list of your five favourite fooballers to watch, would you choose? Trying to avoid the two obvious answers. For me:

    1) Bale
    2) De Bruyne
    3) Reus
    4) Griezmann
    5) Florenzi

    Bale and his speed/free kicks, when healthy, is simply magical. Watching him carry Wales last year was awesome. Florenzi is a homer pick, as he's one of my favourite Italian players. I just love guys who can do a little bit of everything.
    De Bruyne has been fantastic but haven't watch enough of Griezmann, don't get why Florenzi is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toninu View Post
    De Bruyne has been fantastic but haven't watch enough of Griezmann, don't get why Florenzi is there.
    Part Falcao's Law, part he's a beast in FIFA '18, but mostly just appreciation that he's pretty damn good at just about everything on the pitch, although not great at any one thing.

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    Dembele's real value 33m is incredibly low. I thought he would be worth a lot more given his age and potential

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADRossi View Post
    Chelsea paid 40 million for Drinkwater?
    English players are always overpriced. Remember Liverpool paying 35m pounds for a literal donkey?


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    Can we beg to FIFA to convert , lets say 30 crosses per game into 1 goal?

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    EPL: United,City,Liverpool,Chelsea,Arsenal can afford crazy spending,ok Arsenal is weird because Wenger is a tight ass Scrooge most times,even the Russian spends less on Chelsea than he did...the Manchester clubs spend tons of cash....Guardiola and Mou are such great coaches...with their heavy money spending...pfff
    Liverpool...80mil for a CB...nuff said

    La Liga: Barca and Real competing who spends more crazy cash...Cou for 160mil,he is good but...fuck 160mil is crazy

    Bundesliga: Bayern,but they are the smartest with their cash tbh...L.Goretzka for free man!Their name is so big,they can have top talents in the league for free!

    France: PSG,they live in their own financial world(FFP can't touch them lmao,great system),Monaco has slowed down from their initial pomp

    Italy: Rube with their domination

    trailing behind this top teams are...Spurs,ATM,BVB who can be competitive with great talent scouting...and great coaches

    we spend a lot too but we were in a ownership limbo and incompetent clueless managing...who has paid the price for the Kondo,Mario,GabiG disasters?! Fassone?!Mirabelli?
    Yeah no one...we cut ties with Kia and brought in a great football expert like Saba(he is awesome in my book)

    With Saba and Spallo we can go far tbh.

    anyway...my point...the competition for top clubs is shrinking day by day...and it makes me sick...FFP in theory is a great concept...but it hinders the competition to much...
    If a club is good for covering their expenses why not let them invest?! WHY WHY WHY NOT?!EVEN if the money comes from the owners directly...this is smelly as feet tbh!
    Will I ever see a Porto or Monaco or Inter or Bbilan in a CL final again?!
    always the same couple of clubs mentioned above reach the final stages in CL...boring AF!

    Clubs should all be run like the Bavarian giants if you ask me...but that is German efficiency and precision at work.
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    Well, we nearly seen Monaco in the final last year.

    FFP was invented to stop big rich owners buying a club, splashing the cash and fucking off leaving the club in peril. The concept is great, but in execution its so shit and is going to make European football in a whole weaker. Big clubs will only get bigger.

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    Parisien - UEFA already has a draft of the project, called Fair Play Finanziario 2.0 and composed of 100 pages. The French daily reports that this new project, which should come into force next season, still has the fundamental principle of the balance between revenue and expenditure. The major reform would be to limit the deficit of each club's transfer budget. The difference between revenue and expenses during a season would be -100 million euros. That is, a club that spends 300 million euros, must sell players for at least 200 to avoid violating Fair Play Financial 2.0.

    the big boys conspiring against PSG i see...
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    The only way to reduce this crazy spending is to have foreigner limits. You cannot stop crazy spending on players so you can only limit their movement. And I don't wanna hear Bosman and EU. I don't see these rules affecting basketball or other sports. UEFA can ask every federation to use this system while they make their 25 man lists stricter in terms of domestic bias.
    So teams don't form mega rosters but become highly selective of the players they buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    The only way to reduce this crazy spending is to have foreigner limits. You cannot stop crazy spending on players so you can only limit their movement. And I don't wanna hear Bosman and EU. I don't see these rules affecting basketball or other sports. UEFA can ask every federation to use this system while they make their 25 man lists stricter in terms of domestic bias.
    So teams don't form mega rosters but become highly selective of the players they buy.
    Personally i dont think that would solve the problem at all. I think that would just make things worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpsabu View Post
    Personally i dont think that would solve the problem at all. I think that would just make things worse.
    Well, let me clarify then.

    You enforce a 5 (or 8 to start the process) foreigners rule throughout all UEFA leagues.

    Then you take the example of a few teams. Let's say: Real Madrid, Man City and Juventus. I'll make a list of their foreigners (dual nationalities accepted).

    Real: Cristiano Ronaldo, Modric, Casemiro, Kroos, Varane, Benzema, Kovacic, Marcelo, Bale. (iirc Navas holds a Spanish passport and so do the first team youngsters that aren't considered Spanish nationals)
    That is 9 foreigners.

    Man City: Aguero, Gabriel Jesus, Sane, de Bruyne, Toure, Ederson, Fernandinho(?), Otamendi, David Silva, Bernardo Silva, Bravo, Mendy, Danilo, Gundogan, Kompany, Mangala.
    That is 16 foreigners.

    Juventus: Dybala, Higuain, Benatia, Matuidi, Khedira, Bentancur, Mandzukic, Asamoah, Liechtsteiner, Howedes, Sczeszny, Alex Sandro, Douglas Costa, Cuadrado, Pjanic.
    That is 15 foreigners.

    Now imagine that you have to cut players off these teams to make it to 5 foreigners. They won't keep more than a couple for European competitions only and not many would accept to sit out the whole seasons just to be eligible to play for 6+2+2+2+1 games at most in the Champions League. Only a few fringe players would accept something like that. Or someone like Winston Bogarde.
    Where do the rest of the players go? Well, if they want to play at a more significant league, probably to these teams' rivals. But most will be too expensive for most teams so they will have to settle for a more economic solution. Or they would go home if there are clubs there that can afford them.

    Now, I randomly 'remove' the redundant foreign players and will come up with the list of players that need to find a new club.
    That would be:
    Bale, Benzema, Varane and Kovacic from Real Madrid. Bale could move to the EPL with no issues. Benzema and Varane could move to France with no issues. Kovacic would have less options.

    Fernandinho (if not a holder of a UK passport), Otamendi, David Silva, Bernardo Silva, Bravo, Mendy, Danilo, Gundogan, Kompany, Mangala, Toure (there's the question of Otamendi staying over one of the two forwards but whatever, this doesn't need to be practical) from Man City.

    Benatia, Matuidi, Asamoah, Liechtsteiner, Howedes, Szesczny, Douglas Costa, Mandzukic, Cuadrado and Bentancur would have no room at Juventus.

    That means that these players will need to find other clubs to play, either on permanent deals or on loan. That means that if they want to stay in Europe, they will have to settle for less money at lesser clubs.

    Might sound unfair to the players, but it's more fair to the competition and more fair to every other club who will not see money as the only way to lose. Sure, they still will not be able to keep Bernardeschi from going to Juventus, but they will not have a trident of Dybala-Pjanic-Higuain backed by another trident of Cuadrado-Douglas Costa-Mandzukic.

    And when you're already capped with foreigners, you will not be spending 50m on a rotation player like City did with both Danilo and Mendy. Getting rid of players will also come at a discount so transfer fees will eventually drop a bit but the big clubs will still be able to offer 100 and 200 million. The only problem is, with this system, they won't be able to do so as often as it will be a waste and a 100m player does not move when he knows that there's a chance he'll be limited to 15 games a year instead of 50+.
    That also means that Bernardo Silva does not move to Man City but he might have moved elsewhere or stayed at Monaco.

    The market is too fluid as things are and such a return to the past will limit it. That will eventually make the market more stable and less crazy.

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    Uefa, ideas to revolutionize the transfer market: 'luxury tax' on purchases and roof to agents' commissions

    The UEFA thinks of an evolution of financial fair play also in terms of the market. During the meeting of the Professional Football Strategic Council (PFSC), held today at the House of European Football, there was talk of a series of new rules, to be adopted potentially at the end of the season, to further strengthen the FFP and ensure long-term sustainability term in European football.
    "The parties - says the statement released by the highest body of European football - have agreed that the maintenance of competitive equilibrium must be a priority for European football.These have discussed a number of potential measures such as limitations on the number of players in a team and a "luxury tax" or "transfer tax" that could help solve problems of imbalance between clubs, the issue will be dealt with again in the coming months.


    Regarding the prosecutors / football intermediaries - the note continues - the Strategic Council supported a joint resolution to change the current scenario by adding a potential cap on commissions and introducing more transparency / accountability, as well as adequate sanctions in case of violations. The document was prepared by the four main stakeholders who attended the meeting. In this regard, the PFSC has been updated on the work of the FIFA task force in the area of ​​transfer reform ".
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    Not sure if a cap on transfer sum and or a luxury tax would help much. I think a cap on transfer sum would simply blow up players salaries even more which would still give the big teams huge advantage and i doubt clubs like PSG and Manc would give a fuck about a luxury tax.

    Caping agents commissions on the other hand would imho help a lot.
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    the year I truly started to grasp the fundamentals of football...Watching Toldone as a 9 year old kid...I wanted to be like him!He was siiiick in the tourney!
    nostalgic here...also FIGAAAWWW!
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    Figo was a beast in that Euro, as well as Rui Costa and João Pinto (who then punched the ref in the game against France)

    Our 1st match against Engalnd was also one of the most exciting games I´ve watched in my life.



    It was our golden generation as we called it, we were world champions in under 20 twice, in 89 and 91, unfortunately they never won anything for the country, this Euro was the closest most of them got, when we were eliminated in the semis against France in extra time.
    We had Vitor Baía, Fernando Couto, Jorge Costa, Paulo Sousa, Rui Costa, João Pinto, Figo.

    Later on some of them were still part of the team that lost the Euro at home against Greece (iirc only Couto, R. Costa and Figo).

    But Lord Eder eventually came to our rescue to get the last Euro.

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