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    Am i the only one whos almost revealed that the recession is finally here?
    Exited my last positions this morning am now only holding bonds and cash, there might be a small rebound tomorrow but at this point it seems reasonable to assume that we re gonna see a recession at least for the first half year almost everywhere. Like italy is struggling and if it s in italy and in Lebanon there is no way its not in India, indonesia and vietnam i just think they ve been shit at detecting the virus.
    We re already seeing multiple german companies saying they re close to not having enough supply to keep production up. So again i think this is gonna ripple through all markets .

    I also fear that the supply restriction might lead to a perfect storm, if supply restriction is big enough and really affects all markets we might for the first time in a long time see inflation come back in developed economies which would put feds around the world in a hard place as they would need to lower rates to help companies keep production up and refinance or roll over the relative high debt they have right now to even lower interest rates. That would then be in direct competition to trying to keep inflation in check and increase interest rates. It s gonna be interesting for sure. Just make sure your buckled up and your risk profile is right and you might come out of this richer than you were before.

    Also talk to your guys in china and listen to what they say i only have two friends there and neither of them is in wuhan but they both barely leave their apartment and both have to work from home, this also made me quite sure that nothing is over.
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    It's too early to declare a recession is here. Lol.

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    Read about the worlds worst times investor - keeping your holdings in during a recession is quite important tbh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADRossi View Post
    It's too early to declare a recession is here. Lol.
    CHeck the industrial data GDP in q1 is gonna be bad thats already clear and again unless your naive one has to think that production will suffer at least till april .
    Now if we were not talking about an economy that was already overheating id agree with you but realistically speaking the economy was already running hot so that any small disruption could trigger a recession and this corona shit aint small thats for sure the good thing is that the chinese usually produce a lot of inventory before chinese new year which they can use now and yet european manufacturers are already running low on certain goods. Now before china gets back to 100% production we re gonna see supply problems there simply is no way around it and with jit production 1 week delay in supply will lead to a much greater delay in production. We might not feel it now but a supply restraint is gonna come sooner or later and with every day that china is not back to 100% production will get closer to a recession. Also i dont see how we can avoid a recession with china not producing and not consuming also.

    Technically it s not a recession yet but unless all of a sudden the virus disappears as fast as it came chances are high we re gonna get one.

    Quote Originally Posted by .h. View Post
    Read about the worlds worst times investor - keeping your holdings in during a recession is quite important tbh!
    I know timing the market is impossible but to not at least shift your holdings when you see this shit would be a bit stupid. Also this is only valid if your nicely diversified which most retail guys are not.

    Again i am on your side basically but in over 15 years of investing i ve never seen so many warning signs of shit hitting the fan. Again one could have argued before the virus that a recession is on the horizon with yields inverting and monetary policy having to intervene regularly in repo markets.
    And with all those other illnesses in the last couple of years i never sold any major holdings or went to cash but i fell this time it would be really stupid to not adjust for risk. Honestly i m surprised it too markets so long to react.

    But to me it seems insane to hold the market when it s shiller p/e is still above 30 and you have such a clear threat to earnings. For reference shillers P/e was only higher in 99 til 01 at 40 and in 18 at 33. It was even lower before the 08 crash. And it s not only shillers p/e we got other indicators that are flashing and are associated with a recession.

    Again i get your point and am with you but honestly i would have felt like an idiot going into this week holding stocks that rely heavily on chinese production or consumption.

    I mean if you entered 2000 holding intel and pet co you still would not have made up your losses on these two stocks. Dont take this as retail should sell but retail imho should also go risk off like i doubt anybody in retail holds a pofo that is nicely diversified.

    Edit: and now they are shutting down production facilities in south korea i know only partially and only for a day some but still. https://www.forbes.com/sites/donaldk.../#57afb20638a6
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    I use vanguard. My profile is pretty well diverse as it is!

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    https://www.cips.org/en/supply-manag...y-coronavirus/

    Sums up neatly why i think a recession is almost inevitable at this point. All the official statemenst we ve gotten from ceo s/Coo/CFos are something along those lines which is troubling.
    Which matches do you feel more, those with Juventus or Milan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .h. View Post
    Read about the worlds worst times investor - keeping your holdings in during a recession is quite important tbh!
    Lost 22k (unrealized) yesterday in my main account not bothering looking at the others!!

    I mean buying opportunities out there but the key is trying to time the market. China not being able to produce shit is going to fk everything and one over

    Man I knew I should have sold all my Walmart, Best Buy stock.
    VAR is some serious Bullshit!

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    Nio up 26% after securing 10 bio in financing.....

    Also Tupperware 30% down it now trades at 1.35 forward earnings and almost a 30% div rate.
    But they gave out a profit warning due to corona and if they cant sell in china for a prolonged time they gonna run into problems servicing their debt.
    Still at a price of 3.60 it might be worth the risk as in if they avoid bankruptcy then this is a huge bargain.
    Which matches do you feel more, those with Juventus or Milan?
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    If anyone has any argie stocks sell
    Them. They are about to default for the 9th time unless China bails them out
    VAR is some serious Bullshit!

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    Who in their right mind would have anything to do with Argentinian stocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblz View Post
    Who in their right mind would have anything to do with Argentinian stocks?
    I mean, I'm sure I have some in my indexed South American fund

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADRossi View Post
    I mean, I'm sure I have some in my indexed South American fund
    I have a lot of Colombian stocks... currently I have a 0.005% gain haha after 3 years

    That is why I only invest in USA

    BBVA down 40%
    BCS same
    Santander bought 400 shares in 2010. Now have 1,100 shares. They give a crazy dividend.... but still barely breaking even
    VAR is some serious Bullshit!

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    I thought I asked this question here but anyone know a way to invest in the Chinese market?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziyad View Post
    I thought I asked this question here but anyone know a way to invest in the Chinese market?
    Through a broker? Like i guess it depends a bit on your jurisdiction but i can trade the chinese stock market through my normal broker.

    Also if your asking because you wanna do it now wait at least till the end of this week.
    Which matches do you feel more, those with Juventus or Milan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziyad View Post
    I thought I asked this question here but anyone know a way to invest in the Chinese market?
    There are a bunch of ETFs for China... That would be most accessible way to do it I think

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    Or American Depositary Receipts. There's a bunch of Chinese stock on NYSE.
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    US futures are fucking around today were at almost 0.5% up this morning down 1h ago and now back slightly in the green. Gonna be interesting to see if we can avoid a 3rd day of straight losses.

    Also i m gonna take a couple of short gambles on re insurers, airlines, Ocean carriers, and the s&P 500 to me they still dont reflect what s still to come.

    edit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/teslas-...ny-11582672837

    Finally somebody is calling out musk and his bs autopilot claim. NTSB saying tesla autopilot was at fault for at least 1 deadly crash.

    “It’s time to stop enabling drivers in any partially automated vehicle to pretend that they have driverless cars because they don’t have driverless cars,” NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt said Tuesday. He urged NHTSA to “fulfill its oversight responsibility to ensure that corrective action is taken when necessary.”
    Thats the actual quote and for me a quite clear digg at Elon who is the only one in the car industry touting that his cars are already able to self drive.
    Last edited by Adriano@10; 26 Feb 20 at 13:18.
    Which matches do you feel more, those with Juventus or Milan?
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    Today the market drops significally again. Sold the most of my stocks today because I don't think that we have reached the bottom yet. Crazy how much money has been burnt within a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adriano@10 View Post
    US futures are fucking around today were at almost 0.5% up this morning down 1h ago and now back slightly in the green. Gonna be interesting to see if we can avoid a 3rd day of straight losses.

    Also i m gonna take a couple of short gambles on re insurers, airlines, Ocean carriers, and the s&P 500 to me they still dont reflect what s still to come.

    edit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/teslas-...ny-11582672837

    Finally somebody is calling out musk and his bs autopilot claim. NTSB saying tesla autopilot was at fault for at least 1 deadly crash.

    “It’s time to stop enabling drivers in any partially automated vehicle to pretend that they have driverless cars because they don’t have driverless cars,” NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt said Tuesday. He urged NHTSA to “fulfill its oversight responsibility to ensure that corrective action is taken when necessary.”
    Thats the actual quote and for me a quite clear digg at Elon who is the only one in the car industry touting that his cars are already able to self drive.
    this moron and his cult following are actually doing harm
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    Quote Originally Posted by German_Interista View Post
    Today the market drops significally again. Sold the most of my stocks today because I don't think that we have reached the bottom yet. Crazy how much money has been burnt within a week
    Yeah was a crayze week i got lucky af sold my last shares on tuesday cause tokyo was closed on monday but am only down 0.5% due to my shorts and bonds rallying.

    There s a couple of companies out there that are at prices where my fingers start to itch again TTWO/TUP/FB/UAA/GPRO/BERK but i m gonna stay on the sidelines especially in companies that have big exposure to china. Gonna be interesting to see the first couple of Q1s coming.
    Which matches do you feel more, those with Juventus or Milan?
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