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    Picking up from the last post, here's a historic moment where Okocha was part of.

    Anyhow, here's the context.

    We're in the 2000-01 season and this is the second CL group phase. The other two teams in the group are Milan and Galatasaray. This is the 5th game out of six. Prior to the games, the standings were as follow, with the last games being Milan vs Deportivo and PSG vs Galatasaray.

    1. Deportivo 7 pts
    2. Galatasaray 7 pts
    3. Milan 6 pts
    4. PSG 5 pts

    Games are Deportivo vs PSG and Galatasaray vs Milan.

    As you'd be hoping if you don't know the result yet, Galatasaray yet again (see post above for the 98-99 season) beat Milan, this time with a 2-0 score.

    At the same time, PSG is leading 0-3 after 55 minutes. That means the table at the 55th minute would be (with Galatasaray beating Milan 1-0 at that stage)

    1. Galatasaray 10 pts (Q)
    2. PSG 8 pts
    3. Deportivo 6 pts
    4. Milan 6 pts

    But instead, this happened: www.dailymotion.com/video/x386jd (not sure why I cannot embed the dailymotion video)

    Pandiani scores a hatrick, Diego Tristan scores one in between of that and Deportivo sends PSG home whilst Deportivo is through.
    Okocha had scored the opener for PSG.

    Ranking at the end of that match day was:
    1. Galatasaray 10 pts (Q)
    2. Deportivo 9 pts
    3. Milan 6 pts
    4. PSG 5 pts

    What makes this even sweeter is that Milan has h2h advantage over Deportivo since they beat them in Spain and they need a win to send them home. But with a PK each, Djalminha (75th minute) and Shevchenko (85th minute), it was not enough for Milan. PSG beat Galatasaray at the end of the day and Milan ended up 4th in the group. There was no exit to the Uefa Cup for third place back then.

    Deportivo's ability to pull a rimonta in a very tough spot was probably born here. And we're thankful to Pandiani for pulling that off as he helped turn around a 4-1 to Milan with a 4-0 thrashing over there a couple of seasons later
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    1996-97 Cup Winners' Cup semi final. This tournament was just great. Shame we never gave a rat's ass about the Coppa until Robeto Mancini came along because it'd be a winnable competition for us and now we'd have all three Euro competitions.

    First leg: Barcelona vs Fiorentina




    Second leg: Fiorentina vs Barcelona


    Some of the people you will see here are Ronaldo, Gabriel Batistuta, Luis Figo, Francesco Toldo, Josep Guardiola, Rui Costa, Fernando Couto, Miguel Angel Nadal (tennis superstar Rafael Nadal's less influential uncle), Ivan de la Pena and of course Claudio Ranieri.
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    1998. The Italian football federation turns 100 and they celebrate with this game:
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    So Flamengo won the Copa Libertadores in the final moments of the game, against run of play and completely unexpectedly.
    This was their first CL final since winning it back in 1981. When Livepool had also won the CL. Which meant they played for the Inter-Contentinental Cup. If you believe in destiny, then you have to accept that it was fate that decided Gabriel Barbosa would get those two late goals following the inexplicable defensive hiccups that led to the goals.



    Enjoy watching Zico tearing Liverpool apart back when football was still an international sport
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    Following the recent Materazzi vs Zlatan online confrontation my mind of course drifted to other Materazzi affairs. Shevchenko was the first, but then of course the Zidane incident.

    Here's a catchy French song from a few days after mocking the whole situation that was one of the first real viral videos.



    One of those things that you couldn't stop watching/listening to
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    Found this video





    It only needs 20 minute of a game, against the best 11 players of Europe, to see how good Ronaldo was. And how much better then Cristina Ronaldo, the fake Ronaldo.
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    Something festive for the holidays
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    Rewinding to 1996. We're at the final day of the Euro group stage and it's Russia vs the Czechs.

    Table after first two games reads:
    1. Germany 6
    2. Czechia 3
    3. Italy 3
    4. Russia 0

    The Czechs advance on h2h record against Italy and the Russians need to win big while Italy loses big to Germany in order to have hopes.

    Italy-Germany ended up 0-0

    Here are the highlights of that epic deciding game in the group






    Smicer equalizes late in the game to send Italy home and the Czech Republic enables a run towards the Euro final only to lose in extra time to Germany in the final which included a fluke goal conceded by their goalie.
    Smicer got his transfer to Lens prior to the tournament but had he waited, maybe a rich contract could have been coming his way as teammates Nedved moved to Lazio, Poborsky to Man Utd and Berger to Liverpool. Three years later he ended up at Liverpool (and eventually scored a goal in the CL final with them against Milan )
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    I know most people have not heard this name, but he was a legend in the 70s and one of the best forwards in the world. He passed away on the 24th of January.

    Rob Rensenbrink

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    The biggest game in England: Liverpool vs Manchester Utd. Manchester Utd vs Liverpool. Probably the biggest intercity rivalry in England. The most successful clubs in English football.

    But there's a paradox. They rarely competed against each other for trophies. Whenever Liverpool was winning the league, Manchester Utd was dormant. Whenever Manchester Utd was winning the league, Liverpool weren't in the chase. It is extremely rare to find, amongst 38+1 (this season) championships a one-two finish of these two teams.
    In fact, here goes:
    1947: Liverpool 1st, Manchester United 2nd
    1980: Liverpool 1st, Manchester United 2nd
    1988: Liverpool 1st, Manchester United 2nd
    2009: Manchester United 1st, Liverpool 2nd

    4 times out of 38(or 39, suit yourselves).

    It doesn't really stop there. They have amongst them 32 domestic cup wins. Cup finals against each other?

    1977: Manchester United beats Liverpool in the FA Cup
    1983: Liverpool beats Manchester United in the League Cup

    Plus the following in 1996 and 2003:



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    Sven-Goran Eriksson shares some moments from his career:







    Bonus:

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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    Rewinding to 1996. We're at the final day of the Euro group stage and it's Russia vs the Czechs.

    Table after first two games reads:
    1. Germany 6
    2. Czechia 3
    3. Italy 3
    4. Russia 0

    The Czechs advance on h2h record against Italy and the Russians need to win big while Italy loses big to Germany in order to have hopes.

    Italy-Germany ended up 0-0

    Here are the highlights of that epic deciding game in the group






    Smicer equalizes late in the game to send Italy home and the Czech Republic enables a run towards the Euro final only to lose in extra time to Germany in the final which included a fluke goal conceded by their goalie.
    Smicer got his transfer to Lens prior to the tournament but had he waited, maybe a rich contract could have been coming his way as teammates Nedved moved to Lazio, Poborsky to Man Utd and Berger to Liverpool. Three years later he ended up at Liverpool (and eventually scored a goal in the CL final with them against Milan )
    The guy on the thumbnail and the GK at the time is current Russian team coach - Cherchesov I know you know it
    I have weakened bolts that fastened a brain, and have relaxed. A technical break...

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    Romario, all goals with Brazil:

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    Assuming everyone is at least equally bored.

    Have fun with a bunch of goals:




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    (Dimitris Saravakos, the best Greek player of the last 40 years, all his goals in Europe and at 2:35 he knocks out Juventus with that stunner )


    (speaking of Greek players, here's Demis Nikolaidis who retired prematurely after moving to Atletico in order to return to Greece and save his former club)














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    Some crazy motherfuckers. Okay, mostly from Brazil:





























































































    And a cult football hero (category deserves own post) :



    So yeah, enjoy the Quarantine weekend
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    A Brazilian special. Top 100 goals in Brazilian football for the previous decade.

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    Greek national holiday today (albeit the wrong date for the event being celebrated but the church wanted to get a claim here so they legalized it on an important Eastern Orthodox holiday) so I'll spam you with some Greek national team Euro 2004 content


    This is a background collection, no highlights but it shows the whole tournament as it carried on, how the people lived it, how the Greeks all over the world were celebrating as the team progressed and so on. Some good clips in here:



    Obviously a great ride and unprecedented sentiment throughout the world for all us Greeks, but damn, I think everyone expected the run to end here:


    Greece had just beaten holders France deservedly but the next opponent was probably the most in form team in Europe and probably the best team of the tournament. The mighty Czechs. A team that consisted of Petr Cech, Pavel Nedved, Tomas Rosicky, Jan Koller, Milan Baros, Marek Jankulovski, Karel Poborsky, Vladimir Smicer, Tomas Ujfalusi, Zdenek Grygera, Tomas Galasek and Jaroslav Plasil among other very good players. Some of you may think "who the fuck are half of these guys", but trust me, most of the guys you probably never heard of were Inter targets at some point from 2002 to 2006.

    Coming off 3 wins in the toughest group of the tournament with Germany, the World Cup finalists and the Netherlands* who were after blood after failing in the Euro 2000 semis and failing to even reach the World Cup and minnows Latvia who had managed to steal points off of Germany in the dullest game I've seen in international football at that time. They beat the Dutch 3-2 with a comeback after trailing 2-0 in the first 20 minutes and then sent Germany home despite being aleady through and confirmed 1st placed with another comeback, for a 2-1 win this time. And then torching Denmark away with an emphatic 3-0 win. This was the team everyone expected to win the tournament after the Group stage.

    The game was so one-sided. People really didn't give Greece much credit prior to this and considered them an ultra defensive "anti football" team. Which wasn't a correct characterisation. It was mostly media attempts from England and other places to discredit Greece's advancement and their own collapse. I doubt most people really paid much attention to Greece before we beat France. But I think the whole world was watching that semi final and then it was obvious that Greece had no idea of how to attack for the vast majority of the game. The Czechs were just so much better. Then it went to extra time. It was the first and only time the Silver Goal rule was implemented. Unlike the Golden Goal rule, aka Sudden Death, where the next goal won the game, this was a rule that allowed the entire first half of extra time to be played and if there was a goal, there'd be a winner. In case a goal was scored in the 2nd half of extra time, the game would carry on normally until the 120th minute.

    And what do you know, the game was even at that stage and Greece became more dangerous. Chance after chance and then we were afraid that the Czechs would react and bite us in the ass in the 2nd half. But then we got a late corner. 105th minute. And the rest is history. This was the first and only buzzer beater goal I've seen in football that sent a team to an international tournament final.

    The win vs the star studded France team:



    And a general video of the Euro 2004, all goals:




    *I was planning on dedicating a post to the Dutch national team from the 1980s until the early 2010s. Will probably do it at some point this week since boredom has hit rock bottom
    Will also do one on the Spanish national team from the same period but up to 2006 since they have seen success after 2008.


    P.S: Fun random fact. I was playing Championship Manager the previous year (CM4, 2002-3 season) and I decided to pick Greece. I ended up winning the Euro and I remember telling myself what a joke this game was, too easy and unrealistic
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    As promised, this post will be dedicated to the Netherlands and Spain.

    It all started in the Eighty Years War in the 16th century... Okay let's not go there

    It all started in the Euro 1984 qualifiers

    First, let's start with the background story.

    For Spain their actual journey should have started in 1960, but they refused to play the qualifier against the Soviet Union (first game was away, Franco in Spain, Stalin in USSR you know how it was) so they were disqualified by UEFA. Soviet Union played in the 1960 Euro in France and came up as winners of the competition. We don't know if Spain was better but for sure we do know that Spain's team consisted of mostly Real Madrid's players who had won the first 5 European Cups in a row. And Di Stefano was playing for their NT at the time. It was probably a 50-50 situation with the second leg being played in Spain but when politics were involved back then you had some weird stuff going on such as players being beaten up or even poisoned.

    Basically their team was Di Stefano, Luis Suarez, Francisco Gento and they had naturalized a Budapest born Slovak called Kubala who is a Barcelona legend. These were some of the greatest players in the world back then, so Spain's lacking of trophies could have been different if this juggernaut of a team had a shot in the first ever Euro.

    Until 1984, Spain had participated in 6 World Cups out of 12 possible, once as hosts (1982) with their best performance being in 1950 where they reached the Last 4 (it wasn't semis back then but a mini league) ending up 4th, losing 6-1 to Brazil but were in fact the only team (Sweden was the other one) that managed to not lose to eventual champions Uruguay! And it was also the only game they avoided defeat it. It all looked great from there on, with Real Madrid's power house in the making but Spain had managed to not qualify for the 1954 and 1958 tournaments! In 1958 they lost their spot to Scotland.

    But in 1954 we had the first possible encounter of Spain vs Netherlands in football, but the Dutch had withdrawn from the group. Turkey was the only other team there. So Spain and Turkey had to play each other for one World Cup spot. And Spain should have gone through, at least under what we perceive now as normality.
    Spain beats Turkey 4-1, then loses the other game 1-0. As this is a group, both have the same points, Spain has 4 goals for and also has a +2 goal difference. But no such rules were in place. Instead, they play a deciding game in a neutral venue and Rome was picked. The game ends 2-2. No penalty shootout existed back then so they basically settled these encounters by flipping coins usually. A kid that was in the whereabouts of the stadium was called to pick a team's name with his eyes folded. He picked Turkey so Spain went home. Tough luck, huh?

    As for the Euro, Spain hosted the 2nd tournament and won it at home by doing guess what? Beating the Soviet Union in the final! But they had failed to qualify in the next 3 editions and made it once again in 1980. Remember that not many teams participated back then, there were like 20-25 national teams around since most modern countries didn't even exist. That changed in the 1990s. So until 1983, Spain had played in 2 Euros out of a possible 6, winning the one they had hosted and crashing out easily in 1980 in the group (which was tough with hosts Italy, England and an underrated Belgium that topped the group there)

    As for the Netherlands, they were a regular fixture in the Summer Olympics football until the late 40s whereas Spain barely had 3 participations in the same tournament. Until the 1930 World Cup, this was the most prestigious place to play football in the world and the Dutch had 5 participations (with 3 Bronze medals) and Spain had only 3 participations (with 1 Silver medal). The Dutch also played in 2 World Cups (1934 and 1938) before the 2nd World War, getting knocked in their first game both times. They had not played in a major tournament until the 1974 World Cup which marked their Renaissance as they finished as runners up, lost in the semis of the 1976 Euro, then became World Cup runners up once again in 1978 and then were knocked out from the Group in 1980 on goal difference vs Czechoslovakia (1-1 the game in the final round) which was because they had a +1 difference with Greece whilst the Czechoslovaks had a +2 difference and both lost by 1 goal to the Germans. Sorry Netherlands. In the end, Czechoslokia beat Italy for the 3rd place playoff.
    The Dutch had failed to qualify for the first tournament since 1974 in 1982 which was the World Cup hosted by Spain. The Dutch were a disaster in a group consisting of Belgium (see above for 1980 team), France (led by Platini), Ireland and Cyprus, finishing 4th out of 5 teams.

    So here we are, in 1983. Spain had suffered a goal difference issue in 1954 as mentioned earlier. Now it was their time to bite.

    The group was set. Netherlands were clear with a +11 difference from Spain after they beat Malta 5-0. The Dutch had 22 goals for in total and Spain had 12. But the last game of the group was Spain v Malta. Spain had to score 11 goals to cover the distance and get through on goal difference.

    First half ends 3-1 for Spain after Malta originally had equalized. Then miraculously, Spain manages to go 12-1 and not just that, they also had a goal disallowed at the end. That means that Spain goes to the Euro 1984 whilst Netherlands stays home. Spain had managed 12 goals in their last 7 games and then proceed to score 12 in their final game.
    As you can see, this has caused major upsets. The Maltese were crying that they were drugged, they said that the Spaniards were doping, internal investigations took place where everyone in Malta was blaming someone else for receiving money to lose big but nothing really happened. Spain was through.

    Spain vs Netherlands ended 2-1.
    Netherlands vs Spain ended 1-0.
    So it was even between them.

    The infamous Malta game:


    History aside, this is a legitimate reason for someone to hate someone else and obviously cry corruption at UEFA for not having all teams play at the same time in the qualifiers.

    Funny thing. Spain almost wins the Euro in 1984, losing in the final to France!

    Spain manages to qualify for 1988 as do the Netherlands. Spain loses in the group stage, Netherlands wins the tournament! Against the Soviet Union of all teams, the same team that Spain had an unwritten rivalry in their early years.

    Both teams qualify for the 1990 World Cup in Italy. Both teams lose in the round of 16.

    Spain is a disaster in the 1992 qualifiers while France wins all of the group games to qualify for the World Cup, while the Dutch top a group with Portugal and Greece involved. The Dutch are in a great position and lose in the PK shootout to eventual winners Denmark, who were called from their holidays since what was called Yugoslavia back then had devastating internal conflicts so they were out of the tournament.

    In 1994, both these teams were considered to be amongst the favorites. They both reached the QFs, losing to eventual finalists Italy and Brazil. Italy beats Spain 2-1, Brazil beats the Netherlands 3-2. Both winning goals came in the final minutes.

    Here are those winning goals by Branco and Roberto Baggio respectively:





    (Here's the proper goal video, cannot find it with sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaS4EJYv2Lc )

    What a way to get tossed out of the World Cup, huh? The semi finalists that year were Bulgaria and Sweden. I think it's fair to say that with some luck, we could have had a Netherlands-Spain World Cup final that year.

    Two years later, Euro 1996. Both teams lose in the QF in the PK shootout. France-Netherlands and England-Spain. The winers both then proceed to lose in PKs to the Czechs and Germans respectively and sit out the final. Arguably a back-to-back possibility of them playing in the tournament final.

    The World Cup is now in France and Spain manages to be upset by the Nigerians in the first game, fail to beat Paraguay in the 2nd and then take it out on the last edition's semi finalists Bulgaria by thrashing them 6-1. Too little, too late.
    The Dutch on the other hand are one of the heavy favorites to win the tournament. They show some inconsistency in the group but they come through, they beat a very hard Serbia&Montenegro team (called Yugoslavia still) in the round of 16 and then the famous Dennis Bergkamp goal that deprived us of a Brazil-Argentina semi final. They meet Ronaldo, Kluivert sends the game to PKs and they gloriously lose out in the PKs once again. But the Dutch hold an impressive record of reaching the semi finals at least 3 times out of 5 participations and at least the quarter finals in 4/5 attempts. The future looks bright, with them hosting the next Euro and having a great generation in a good age.

    They are heavy favorites in 2000 along with France, while Spain is also considered to be one of the hot teams. Netherlands beats France in the group to earn the 1st spot and meet the last Yugoslav team once again (to beat them with an emphatic 6-1) while they avoid their nemesis Spain by sending France to them. And France beats Spain in the QFs, whilst the Dutch lose to 9 man Italy with 2 missed PKs in regular time and losing to Toldo in the PK shootout.

    But at least they have their chances in the first Asian held World Cup. Or do they? In a group with Portugal, Ireland and Cyprus... Erm, where did we see those two before? They manage to finish 3rd and miss out on a great chance to do some more noise in the World Cup.

    A loss to Ireland sealed their fate with 20 points whilst Ireland sat at 24 which was as many as Portugal had. A win in Ireland would have sent the Dutch to the playoff. And Ireland didn't play a European team to reach the World Cup but Iran! I think it's safe to assume that the Dutch would have beaten Iran over two legs as well, perhaps more triumphantly than a 2-0 win and a 1-0 loss.

    Here's that game, look at the team that didn't make the World Cup and they even had absences:



    Spain on the other hand had a very strong team and could have gone to the final. Realistically the path should have been Spain v Italy in the QF and winner plays Germany in the SF and probably beats them. But South Korea had different ideas so Spain lost at the QFs.

    In 2004, Spain didn't make it past the group but the Netherlands was out for blood once again. This time they were lucky that the Germans lost to the Czechs in the group and having both Makaay and Van Nistelrooy in great form, they were led to the SF after finally beating a team in the PK shootout. This time it was Sweden, when Zlatan missed a PK (but not the final one). But the Dutch were underwhelming in the Semi Final against Portugal. Realistically, they stood a chance to win the thing as Greece probably had no answer for them and as the Greek players had said, they preferred to face Portugal since they have developed into some sort of a boogie team for them. Shortly before the Euro, the Dutch had also beaten Greece 4-0 in a friendly match.


    So now we're in 2006 Germany, the Dutch are still in the hunt while Spain tries to wake up and introduces some new blood. But after a great Group run from both, they meet their boogie teams and crash out. Spain loses to France and the Dutch lose out to Portugal in the round of 16.

    Euro 2008. Favorites? The Netherlands. Winners? Spain!
    The Dutch completely destroy Italy in the group, completely destroy France, then proceed to beat Romania for the 3/3. What's next? They lose out in the quarter, this time to the Russians led by Dutchman Guus Hiddink of all people!
    Spain on the other hand seems more mature than ever by destroying Russia, scraping a last minute win vs Zlatan's Sweden and avenging their group disqualification from 2004 against Greece with another late win. Spain beats Italy in PKS in the QFs, meets the Russians once again and beats them with a 3 goal margin once more and then faces Germany whom they beat with a Fernando Torres strike. Spain are finally European champions once again!
    The Dutch impressive run in the Euro continues as they have reached the QFs every time since 1988 but their record of reaching the SF 4/5 times goes to 4/6 times. Once again, we were deprived of a potential Spain vs Netherlands matchup, this time for a Euro semi final.

    But the wait is over. We're in 2010. Spain is having a bad start to the tournament but they manage to qualify from the group, whilst the Netherlands aren't impressive but they get their 3/3 results. And this goes on and on. Both teams usually are praised for their great football, but not this time. Yet this time the results smile. No PK shootout at all, Spain beats everyone 1-0 on the road to the final whilst the Dutch also scrape with minimum margin wins. And then it's the final. Spain does what they did best throughout the tournament, 1-0 win, just before the nightmare shootout for the Dutch who were down to 10 men 7 minutes prior to conceding.


    Here's the final.



    Bizarrely enough, they only competed in 4 official games against each other. The two being the 1984 qualification ones, the 2010 final. And the famous revenge of 2014.

    But it was just a group game, I'm pretty sure the Dutch would have traded that win for a slight 1-0 World Cup final victory.




    I tried to keep it as simple as possible, hope people enjoy it.

    P.S: I called Portugal the boogie team of the Netherlands and France the boogie team of Spain. Truth be told, Spain has beaten France more times than lost, but not in official games. Until 2008, France had not lost an official game to Spain with 5 wins and 1 draw. After that, starting from 2012, the Spanish have not lost with 2 wins and a draw. On the other hand, the Dutch have beaten the Portuguese only once in an official game and have 6 losses whilst only 1 game ended in a draw.
    Last edited by brehme1989; 27 Mar 20 at 13:50.
    Noi non siamo gobbi di merda


    Conte uomo di merda

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