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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Drago View Post
    Barcelona would also be at a lower band. 10 league titles in the last 15 years.
    They won their 20th title 10 years ago. But several months back and it'd be true, they'd have 19 until late spring 2010.
    Unless you're talking about the 20 year span.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    They won their 20th title 10 years ago. But several months back and it'd be true, they'd have 19 until late spring 2010.
    Unless you're talking about the 20 year span.
    Yeah. I was referring to the early 2000s (basically around 2004) when their golden age started.
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    "When I had just become President, I went to Austria for our match. On the stadium billboard it was written: 'Inter Milan'. I went to report to the manager of the opposing team that it was enough to leave Inter. So they canceled Milan "

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    Inter vs Juventus, 1992-93 season. Full game.
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    The greatest football player of all time, Diego Armando Maradona, turns 60 today, so it's bound to be Maradona day!











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    Wanted to post a cool Messi gif answering the strange opinion of brehme thinking Maradona is the greatest. Instead I found a gif of Messi ALMOST trying to sniff cocaine.

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    if Sensi can sit on the bench for 5 consecutive games without getting injured, that will be real progress for him.
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    We're getting to experience Conte's second season at Chelsea without reaping the benefits of his first

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    Messi is great and all, but he ain't no Maradona buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    Messi is great and all, but he ain't no Maradona buddy.
    On that gif above he almost went full Maradona.
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    if Sensi can sit on the bench for 5 consecutive games without getting injured, that will be real progress for him.
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    We're getting to experience Conte's second season at Chelsea without reaping the benefits of his first

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    Some cult hero forwards from the last 20 years give or take, playing in mid tier leagues. This thing is kinda dead now so it's more of a tribute than anything.

    Cult hero: typically a foreign player that fans have fond memories of, or that they consider caricatures of some sort. I've gone mostly with the 'fond memories' part of players that should be widely known but at the same time, they do not really know of how they were doing during this time.

    I'm limiting this to one player per team, and some leagues I just don't know that much of or cannot find a player qualifying for this since it is restricted to foreign attacking players. It's also restricted to Europe as several players that'd match this for South America are complete unknowns in the rest of the world (ie Rodrigo Mora of River Plate comes to mind).


    Djibril Cisse in Greece with Panathinaikos



    Mario Jardel in Turkey with Galatasaray



    Mateja Kezman in the Netherlands with PSV (unfortunately not the entire collection)



    Carlos Bacca in Belgium with Club Brugge



    Fernando Cavenaghi in Cyprus with APOEL (23 goals in 26 appearances, suffered career ending injury halfway through the season)



    Teemu Pukki in Denmark with Brondby



    Dame N'Doye in Denmark with Copenhagen



    Lamine Diarra in Serbia with Partizan



    Oscar Cardozo in Portugal with Benfica



    Giovanni Silva de Oliveira in Greece with Olympiacos (there's a goal missing from an away game vs Aris in Salonica because the fans broke the cameras apparently )



    Bob in Turkey with Besiktas



    Eduardo da Silva in Croatia with Dinamo



    Junior Moraes in Ukraine with Shakhtar



    Mido in the Netherlands with Ajax (for some reason it's hard to find bigger compilations for Dutch teams)



    Liedson in Portugal with Sporting CP



    Ignacio Scocco in Greece with AEK



    Pierre van Hoijdonk in Turkey with Fenerbahce



    Benni McCarthy in Portugal with Porto



    John Guidetti in the Netherlands with Feyenoord



    Dieumerci Mbokani in Belgium with Standard Liege




    Could not find Jan Koller's goals with Anderlecht, nor Tomasz Radzinski's.
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    3 December 2000. Inter - Juventus 2-2. It's the famous game of Montero's punch to Gigi Di Biagio. Of course it went unpunished. For Inter it was just another game in a terrible season but it gives a glimse of how bad things were in calciopoli years.

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    I'd call that pre-Calciopoli as it only refers to 2004-2006.

    The game also has that famous Vieri miss :/
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    Some examples of how games or tournament winners could have been different if VAR existed back then

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    All goals from the final international tournament I've really enjoyed watching (as a neutral at least )

    Euro 2000
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    An Italian 90s fairytale, Vicenza.

    A team that once challenged for the Scudetto but finished runners-up in the late 70s, led by Paolo Rossi. Only one participation in Europe, losing in their first ever match up against Dukla Praha. Ironically, they got relegated the same season.


    Fast forward to season 1995-96 and Vicenza returns to Serie A after that 1978-79 season which looked too good to be true for them. Upon return, their main signings are two Uruguayans, Marcelo Otero and Gustavo Mendez, from Penarol and Nacional respectively. They finish in a safe mid-table position. In the same season, they lose in the Cup to midtable Serie B side, Palermo.

    Season 1996-97 looks to be rather similar in Serie A, improving their standing from 9th to 8th despite collecting fewer points. But this time, the Coppa Italia story was different. Vicenza would qualify to the quarter finals where they would face Milan, who were Serie A defending champions but were struggling at the time. A goal by Ambrosetti would see Vicenza get a vital away goal in a 1-1 draw, while the return leg finished 0-0. Vicenza was in the semi final of the Coppa Italia for the first time ever, facing Bologna who were in a similar league position as them. A first leg win with 1-0 and a late equalizer to 1-1 at Bologna would see them reach the final for the first time! This was a team that could barely get past the first round of the cup and barely had reached the quarters once in their history (losing to Inter).

    The final would see them face a former superpower in decline that was trying to get their hands on any silverware. This was none other than Napoli. The first leg would be played away, so the decisive second leg was at home for Vicenza.
    Struggling Napoli would see a clean 1-0 win vs Vicenza in the first leg with the Vicenza keeper pulling some heroic saves to minimize the deficit.


    Vicenza would then equalize this score early in the game but could not overcome Napoli in normal time. Extra time was needed, and the penalty shootout was very close. Until.... two late goals in the 118th and 120th minutes would seal the triumph! Vicenza would win their first trophy in history!

    You can see the HLs of the decisive final here. Emotions cannot be put in a transcript really.


    For the record, Inter lost to Napoli in the semi final, in penalties. So it could have been us as the main antagonists of Vicenza's story or we could have removed this from history altogether. Which would have also rewrite history for us as we'd be playing in the Cup Winners Cup instead of the Uefa Cup in 1997-98, meaning no Inter-Lazio final with that majestic Ronaldo performance. It's remarkable how some tiny bits of history going different can affect so many things.


    So Vicenza goes into season 1997-98 with a trip to Europe for their second time ever, and as their return in Serie A got them signing two players from Uruguay, they decided to bring another one on board. This time it was a player that was already in Europe for a season, Ricardo Canals. He did not really have much of an effect though and soon left for Rosario Central in Argentina. They also got Massimo Ambrosini from Milan on loan that year, as well as signed the so called "Zidane of Serie B", Lamberto Zauli.

    Vicenza plays in Europe's second most prestigious tournament (more like 2A and 2B situation with the Uefa Cup) and who can blame them for being excited? First matchup is against Polish side Legia.



    This is also their first ever victory in Europe. An away draw with 1-1 would seal the qualification, their first in European competitions of course.

    Their next matchup would see them face Shakhtar Donetsk, a team that we have known in Europe as a decent side since the 2000s, but prior to that they were in the shadow of Dynamo Kyiv and not really a name that caused fear. Vicenza would beat them home and away, which would take them to the quarter finals!
    Meanwhile, they would fail to replicate their Coppa Italia success as they'd once more lose to a Serie B side, Pescara this time.

    There, they would face Dutch side Roda. And this is where the party really starts. But their Serie A form would suggest otherwise. At the time, Serie A consisted of 18 teams and 4 would get relegated. Previous season's cup runners up Napoli were dead last, whereas Vicenza was marginally clear of the relegation spots, sitting just 3 points away from relegation. With 11 games to go, things looked worrying. But spirits were high.

    So high, that Vicenza would completely destroy Roda, both home and away. They were still undefeated in Europe with 3 wins and 1 draw, and they added two emphatic wins, 4-1 away (leading 4-0) and a 5-0 hammering at home. In truth, Roda was also struggling in the Dutch league, but it remains a very impressive win. Especially one that led to a European semi final for the minnows from the small town of 100,000 people.

    There, they would face Chelsea. A team that started to collect a lot of former stars, as well as former Italian prodigy Gianfranco Zola. This was a team that also had Gianluca Vialli; as player/manager!, Dan Petrescu [of Zeman's Foggia], Tore Andre Flo and Roberto Di Matteo along with some local stars such as Dennis Wise and Mark Hughes. This was the rise of Chelsea as they would then proceed to sign some more important figures after following a policy of hiring former legends (Ruud Gullit, followed by Vialli as player-manager) before Abramovich bought the club.

    The first game was at home, and Vicenza did what they did all year long in Europe at their vibrant home ground. They won!



    This is truly worth the watch. And Zauli's goal was really something special. Truly Zidanesque before Zidane was even cool.


    Unfortunately, the fairytale had to end in London, with a 3-1 defeat against eventual title winners Chelsea



    Despite the opener by Vicenza with the leading scorer of the tournament, Pasquale Luiso, Chelsea would comeback and overcome the 2 goal aggregate deficit.


    Vicenza at the end of the day finished 1 point clear of relegation, but in truth they were safe with at least 2 matches to go, which they lost.

    They could not avoid relegation in the next season. Both their Uruguayan stars decided to leave the club.
    But they came back strong as they won Serie B for the first time since 1977.

    It did not last long. They looked like they could have managed to avoid relegation, but a 0-0 draw vs Lecce with 4 games to go did not unblock them from relegation zone. They then lost 2-1 in the regional derby which left them in 13th placed, but with the same amount of points as Reggina who were 15th [which was a playout position] and they had to knock points of title chasing Juventus the next game, which they could not do, as they lost 3-0. They were now in relegation zone, with just 1 game to go where they have to travel to Udinese and get a win and hope for other teams to fail in order to get a second chance in a play out game.

    Table looked like this:
    13. Lecce 34 pts (clear of relegation)
    14. Reggina 34 pts (playout)
    15. Verona 34 pts (playout)
    16. Vicenza 33 pts (relegation)
    17. Napoli 33 pts (relegation)
    18. Bari 20 pts (relegated)

    Lecce was facing Lazio at home who were locked in third position. An otherwise tough matchup.
    Reggina was facing struggling Milan at home who had a winless streak of 4 games.
    Napoli had to travel to Fiorentina who were in a midtable position.
    Verona was playing against Perugia who had nothing to play for either.

    Vicenza did their duty and they beat Udinese (12th place, but safe) 3-2 away in a game that saw all goals come before half time and Vicenza's initial 3-0 lead cut short early on.

    Lecce achieved a win vs Lazio, overcoming a 1-0 half time loss to a 2-1 final score. Lazio did not rest its key players.

    Reggina beat Milan in a thriller. Milan got a late lead with Kaladze in the 70th minute but less than 10 minutes later, Reggina equalized. And not 5 minutes later, Inter loanee, Portuguese Paulo Costa, completed the win, which also enabled Inter to finish ahead of Milan in the table shortly after that disastrous defeat.

    Verona managed to win 2-1 in a tough match vs Perugia.

    The crazy final matchday was complete when the other relegation battling team pulled this off, with a former player of their opponent getting the late winner as well!


    [the first goal here was the match winner, you can see that the players knew that no matter what, they'd be relegated and how Edmundo did not celebrate against his former club either as futile as it'd be]

    In another world, this could have decided the relegation, but both Napoli and Vicenza, 1997 potentially altering history Cup rivals, would both be condemned to Serie B. We all know that Napoli would eventually return to Serie A. Vicenza
    on the other hand has still not returned to the top flight after that day. Today they are in Serie B, somewhere in the middle of the table.

    P.S:
    A nice video of Vicenza's 1997-98 run



    Bonus:

    Paolo Rossi with Vicenza's jersey


    Best I could do with Paolo Rossi's goals with Vicenza. Includes some with Perugia there.
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    Old school Serie B days



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    Brother, if we gonna talk aboult cult heroes...

    Pierre Van Hooijdonk wasn't the one for Fenerbahe it was Alex De Souza

    Mario Jardel wasn't the one for Galatasaray it was Gheorghe Hagi

    Bobo wasn't the one for Beşiktaş (not even fuckin close) it was Pascal Nouma
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    To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conan the Barbarian View Post
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    Brother, if we gonna talk aboult cult heroes...

    Pierre Van Hooijdonk wasn't the one for Fenerbahe it was Alex De Souza

    Mario Jardel wasn't the one for Galatasaray it was Gheorghe Hagi

    Bobo wasn't the one for Beşiktaş (not even fuckin close) it was Pascal Nouma
    Of course. I only mentioned strikers as I said in that post.

    I won't argue with you on this as about Besiktas, wasn't aware of the Pascal Nouma bond with the fans etc and it didn't even go to my mind as I thought he was an attacking midfielder.

    If you have that Fenerbahce moment please share it


    You were lucky to witness Alex in his prime. Hagi of course was a gem, but you didn't get to see his best football. Alex on the other hand was special at that time and never looked better.
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    Party like it's 89.

    Before "Agueroooooo", this was considered the best ending in English football history. [Hint; it still remains the best ending of a season in English football]

    This is the final game of the season, Liverpool vs Arsenal. Liverpool were the last edition champions and had won the cup vs their main rivals in those times, Everton, a few weeks back.

    Just a reminder that this was a weird season as the Hillsborough incident happened in April, shortly before the season ending.

    As some of you know, English football was always quite inconsistent with their scheduling. Add to this a postponement due to Hillsborough and you have some weird schedules where several teams ended their season on the 13th of May, whilst others had 3 games to go after that!

    So Liverpool beats Brian Clough's Nottingham Forrest in the FA Cup final and has 5 games to go. Arsenal had four games to go and was in an advantageous position, winning that game at Middlesbrough 1-0 with just 3 games to go for them.
    Liverpool hadn't lost a single game since January, making it 19 unbeaten games in a row in all competitions, while Arsenal had two early cup exits and lost their last game in March, making it only 7 unbeaten games in a row, in just the top flight of English football.

    Table on the 7th of May reads:
    1. Arsenal 72 pts, +36 Goal Difference, after 35 games.
    2. Liverpool 64 pts, +29 Goal Difference, after 33 games.

    The final game of the season is Liverpool vs Arsenal and at this stage, there's the notion that if Liverpool maintains its run, a win vs Arsenal would seal the back to back trophy for them.

    The English championship had remained in the city of Liverpool for 7 years running and Liverpool intended to keep the run going (82 Liverpool, 83 Liverpool, 84 Liverpool, 85 Everton, 86 Liverpool, 87 Everton, 88 Liverpool). This was and remains the longest streak of championships remaining in the same city in the history of English football!


    A late 1-0 win with a PK against 3rd placed Nottingham Forrest would see Liverpool maintain their hopes.

    The next match day would see Liverpool play away in the London suburb of Wimbledon while Arsenal would host Derby County who were having a very good season that year.

    Liverpool was losing 1-0 at half time, while Arsenal was trailing at home after failing to beat Peter Shilton. Derby would proceed to score another at Highbury while Liverpool would pull a comeback. Arsenal could only reduce the lead to 1-2, with a late goal. Both games would end 1-2, with Liverpool taking the edge at this point.

    Now Liverpool would have 70 points, with a +31 goal difference and 3 games to go while Arsenal only had 2 games to go, one of which was vs high flying Liverpool away, seeing their advantage shrunken as they remained with 72 points and had a +35 goal difference.

    Liverpool would then proceed to beat QPR with a clean 2-0 win, putting them at the top of the table, one point clear, and the goal difference shrunken by a 1 goal advantage for Arsenal.
    Arsenal would host Wimbledon in their penultimate game. They would once again fail to win, managing a 2-2 draw at home, being equalized by a kid that never played before! Twice in a row Arsenal had the chance to cement the title and avoid giving Liverpool the chance to be alive and instead have turned things round. Now Arsenal is the team that must win at Anfield, against all odds!

    Their last game in hand for Liverpool was vs West Ham, a team condemned with relegation, and they would seek to gain every advantage possible. A clear victory was already in place despite West Ham equalizing early on, but Liverpool would proceed to score three goals after the 80th minute mark to extend their goal difference from Arsenal! The final result, 5-1 for Liverpool, with an injury time goal by Ian Rush.

    Everything was now set for Liverpool to become the first team to win the double (English league and FA Cup) back to back.
    1. Liverpool, 76 points, +39 goal difference
    2. Arsenal, 73 points, +35 goal difference

    Arsenal had the better attack with 71 goals versus 65 for Liverpool, while the first game ended in North London ended in a 1-1 draw.

    The only way Liverpool could lose the title to Arsenal was with a +2 goal loss. Liverpool had not lost to Arsenal in that stadium for 15 years, so expectations around England were that the city Liverpool would clinch the title once more and the streets would be painted red once more.

    Since 1974 Arsenal had 3 draws and 10 losses there, scoring just 7 goals whilst conceding 26.


    As you can imagine, the epic finale needs to be actually epic, so no dull draws to settle this.

    Arsenal would eventually win a game at Anfield after all these years. But their 1-0 lead was not enough.




    The opener would come on the 52nd minute with Arsenal's top scorer, Alan Smith.

    In the 90th minute, Arsenal's Michael Thomas would miss a sitter for the extension of the lead and the championship. Only a minute later, a second chance would appear and this time, it's 2-0 Arsenal. Liverpool would try to get a late goal in but their attempts were futile. Arsenal would win their first league title in 18 years, their 9th overall and put an end to the city Liverpool's dominant run in one of the most unlikeliest fashions.


    A nice video of some of the protagonists reminiscing the title deciding match:



    For those who appreciate and would like to watch some genuine, old school, traditional English football at its finest, here is the greatest finale of all times in English football:
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    While i was searching on youtube for a video with Baggio's best moments at Inter i found this beauty.

    Final match of 1999/2000 season. 33 year old Roberto Baggio performance against the Parma of Buffon, Cannavaro and Thuram.

    A bit context about this match for the younger members as it's almost poetic. Baggio is getting horrible treatment from Lippi throughout the season. Parma and Inter finish level on points and the final CL spot would be decided in a playoff game played at Stadio Bentegodi of Verona. Before the match it was common knowledge if Inter failed to qualify to CL Lippi would get fired. But if Lippi stayed, Baggio would be gone.

    What did the great Roberto Baggio do? He delivered a pure masterclass in his final appearance as an Inter player. Enjoy.

    #CONTEOUT


    "When I had just become President, I went to Austria for our match. On the stadium billboard it was written: 'Inter Milan'. I went to report to the manager of the opposing team that it was enough to leave Inter. So they canceled Milan "

    Massimo Moratti

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    Paradox situation that proves how Roberto Baggio was one of the greatest things to happen at Inter in the 90s. By far the greatest player of that decade and his career was ruined by being forced to Juventus by the Fiorentina owners and end up with Marcello Lippi and when he surfaced, fucking Lippi happened again at Inter!


    Going for Lippi over Capello was one of Moratti's greatest mistakes. The consequences were disastrous as it gave us the shitty transfers of 2000 and 2001 which are typically what you find in the garbage can of the Moratti deals, including a few rare 1999/2000 incoming transfers which were mostly decent:
    - Vampeta
    - Bruno Cirillo
    - Bratislav Gresko (not terrible but that icing on the cake is just too much to digest)
    - Antonio Pacheco (he even probably forgot he was an Inter player)
    - Hakan Sukur
    - Robbie Keane
    - Michele Serena (the original Darmian)
    - Francisco Farinos (average player that cemented a starting position)
    - Sixto Peralta (don't think he even played)
    - Marco Ferrante on an emergency loan, think Tomasso Rocchi level of transfer
    - Cristian Brocchi (more famous for ending up at Milan as their crap player)
    - Stephane Dalmat (the Zidane of no one)
    - Adrian Mutu (good player, bad timing)
    - Anselmo Robbiati
    - Cyril Domoraud...

    The lulz were completed with the summer of 2003-4 season with a very brief moment of sanity under Cuper, that also includes rejecting Ronaldinho because he was too.. undiscipled and Kaka because "he couldn't play right wing in a 4-4-2". Thankfully we fixed that early on with Mancini but then he got comfy and started onboarding his friends.

    We also didn't get to see much of Roberto Baggio. Or Alvaro Recoba. Or Andrea Pirlo. He got rid of Pagliuca, Djorkaeff and Simeone. He forced Bergomi to retire.

    Terrible, terrible situation. Just as a comparison, Fabio Capello won the Scudetto with Roma in his second season and pretty much managed to keep the team in Champions League territory (those were the first years were 4 teams would qualify for CL) except for one bad year, which was normal for most top Italian teams at the time (at some point we had finished 8th, Milan had finished 10th, Juventus had finished 7th, Lazio had finished 6th etc).

    Also, he fucking hated Luciano Moggi, rather than be his pet coach like Lippi... Moratti's moves sometimes made no sense.
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