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    Beppe Marotta

    Legitimacy or Efficiency?

    I think it is ok to have a thread for him here. Marotta will leave Juve by 25 october and we held a talk with him apparently, just two days ago.

    After Walter, we did not have a man who know things, in Italy. We have Asamoah in our team and he is currently one of the best performers. Arguing from a moral point of view is lacking content, so I tend to see more from technical point of view, I would say Marotta is the guy who can pull SMS, Chiesa, Simeone, Piatek out of the their team with an acceptable prize. He can make mistake but he does much more to cover thing up. Courtesy is some form of hypocrisy. We need some dark art ruthlessness.

    Also from a hybrid tech+moral point of view, there are argument saying Marotta will be a Juve agent. And we need to draw lesson from the past (Fassone, Lippi?). Again, similiar to moral purview, we have a thiner empirical base comparing to the technical argument. And this view would continue to harm our judgement in the future. If Marotta pulls a Barbosa, then he is a hidden agent. What if he pulls a Pogba? I say this because if you want to have the like of Walter or Marotta, you have to give them some autonomy and listen to their expertise. Let they do their job and we judge from a wider and comprehensive database rather than from one or two occasion.

    Another consideration, would having a person with this kind of history defame Inter and cause the club to lose fans? Perhaps I cant have number to prove anything. But Ibrahimovic? Did he jeopardise our name or tarnish our reputation?

    These are more likely the sum up of previous arguments in different thread relating to Marotta with my inclinations added. I cant add a poll so I hope someone can help.

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    Technically speaking?

    I heard if he arrived, Ausilio will be out.

    So let's compare Ausilio's current achievement this summer mercato alone to Marotta's all time achievements at juBe.

    It's no rocket science when you possess unlimited resources to buy whoever you want, on the contrary, Marotta was so cheap that despite having enough money he was always a pussy to call on the big buys, he opposed Dybala and CR signings, now this could shed light on why would Suning want to get him here, to be cheap, financialy speaking he could fit our policy atm. But that's exactly what Ausilio has excelled at this summer, he got us stars for peanuts, so what does Marotta has over Ausilio? Connections, however, his connections, in theory, do not pay allegiance to him personally, he was merely a tool, those connections within the Italian federation and agents network pay allegiance to what serve jube's best interests. So at the end of the day we might be getting a nonfunctional toy.

    The question here is, would you trade Ausilio to jube in exchange of Marotta to Inter?

    I'd say simply no, and I tried to avoid the moral aspect of the discussion despite being a crucial one, but for the sake of Dominoes Pizza.

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    If Marotta joined, Ausilio would just become his Paratici at Inter. Marotta isn't a sporting director so Ausilio isn't going anywhere. If someone from our management left it would probably be Gardini. Reports about Marotta and Inter have died down in the past few days which could probably mean Marotta is taking his time to evaluate his options. Tuttosport was reporting yesterday that Arsenal are desperate to get him and they're even offering more money to Marotta than Inter (3.5m) but Inter remain the favourites to get the former Sampdoria director (it sounds better ). My opinion is very clear on this matter. I think we need to get a good director to fix the vision and the strategy of the team as i don't trust Ausilio to have the full control of the technical area. While Marotta is a good director, he's not the only good director in the world so we can get someone else whose past won't be an issue amongst our fans. So for me it's thanks, but no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne Marie View Post
    Legitimacy or Efficiency?

    I think it is ok to have a thread for him here. Marotta will leave Juve by 25 october and we held a talk with him apparently, just two days ago.

    After Walter, we did not have a man who know things, in Italy. We have Asamoah in our team and he is currently one of the best performers. Arguing from a moral point of view is lacking content, so I tend to see more from technical point of view, I would say Marotta is the guy who can pull SMS, Chiesa, Simeone, Piatek out of the their team with an acceptable prize. He can make mistake but he does much more to cover thing up. Courtesy is some form of hypocrisy. We need some dark art ruthlessness.

    Also from a hybrid tech+moral point of view, there are argument saying Marotta will be a Juve agent. And we need to draw lesson from the past (Fassone, Lippi?). Again, similiar to moral purview, we have a thiner empirical base comparing to the technical argument. And this view would continue to harm our judgement in the future. If Marotta pulls a Barbosa, then he is a hidden agent. What if he pulls a Pogba? I say this because if you want to have the like of Walter or Marotta, you have to give them some autonomy and listen to their expertise. Let they do their job and we judge from a wider and comprehensive database rather than from one or two occasion.

    Another consideration, would having a person with this kind of history defame Inter and cause the club to lose fans? Perhaps I cant have number to prove anything. But Ibrahimovic? Did he jeopardise our name or tarnish our reputation?

    These are more likely the sum up of previous arguments in different thread relating to Marotta with my inclinations added. I cant add a poll so I hope someone can help.
    I think if someone is pro Marotta, then the guy he/she needs to mention is Giovanni Trapattoni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devious View Post
    Technically speaking?

    I heard if he arrived, Ausilio will be out.

    So let's compare Ausilio's current achievement this summer mercato alone to Marotta's all time achievements at juBe.
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    Why donít you compare all of both works instead of one season? Because you see many flaws of the former over building teams in a long period, right?

    If we judge based on one season alone, nothing beats Branca 2009. I donít say Ausilio is one season wonder, but if that same Branca tragedy returns, it will be huge collapse and too late for a year zero all over again. If Marotta comes, who is the one of the best director in the world, they will work together. Would be no problem with Ausilio, as he cooperated great with Sabatini before. More good than harm for us.

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    Il Drago is right. No way would Marotta replace Ausilio. He would work above him as Sabatini did, and how Marotta did with Paratici at Juve. Ausilio would continue to handle negotiations and player scouting while Moratta would approve his purchases and sales while keeping an eye on the business side of things, managing the relationship between Inter and Suning.

    The judgement to make is, given Ausilio had an extremely good summer without anyone between him and Suning, would we rather continue with him as #fullfreedom. You have to factor in the fact that the Marotta-Paratici combo was such a productive one that led Juve to being where they are today.

    It's tricky, but I think if we have real ambition to return to the top, we should take the risk and do it, and go back to Ausilio going solo if it doesn't work out.
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    I honestly say I don't want him, not because of his Juventus ties, but because I really don't see what he'll do for us if we bring him in.

    If it's to be the link between Suning and Inter, then it's going to be short term again because Sabatini said himself it's an untenable position, I can't see Marotta enjoying it much more, and I don't think we need that position either.

    I don't want to take Ausilio off transfers, in spite of dropping some absolute turds in the transfer market in the last few years, he's built the ream we have at the moment while operating under tight limitations, credit still has to be given for that. I think he learned a trick or two working with Sabatini and if his Mercato dealings continue to be as classy as what he did this past window, I'll have no issues.

    So unless we hire Marotta and make him scrub toilets with a Juventus jersey as a rag, I don't know exactly what role we have for him.

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    Any exrube employee who Inter had benefited from by hiring in the past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forzainter257 View Post
    Any exrube employee who Inter had benefited from by hiring in the past?
    Trapattoni. Milanista with a Juve past is a more suiting description. And an exception.

    You don't want the full list of failures.

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    Asamoah...
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    Why criticize like he was the worst player in the team?
    either people are having a high standard for inter or they just racist

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    I doubt the initial question involves football players. You don't really 'hire' football players.

    There are some exceptions with the likes of Tardelli who was a Juve player, moved to Inter and then after a while ended up on the Inter bench, without having ever been employed as non-player from Juventus. And then a taint in the club's history got stuck that we cannot remove now.

    So, yeah, never hire people associated with Juventus.

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    That seems like a pretty illogical and pig-headed stance to take, and the sort of thing juve would never give a shit about. We shouldn't let sentiment get in the way of success.
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    I recall this dude talking shit constantly and being a usual Rube mouth towards us, so idk how I would feel with him here. Also that back and forth with Strama was funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGDella View Post
    That seems like a pretty illogical and pig-headed stance to take, and the sort of thing juve would never give a shit about. We shouldn't let sentiment get in the way of success.
    It's not a matter of sentiment.
    And actually, the illogical thing would be to ignore that this never works out well for Inter and is usually not just one, but two steps backwards.

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    What logical reason do you have for why it 'never works out?' Just sounds like sentimental superstition to me. Unless you think they're all double agents or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TGDella View Post
    What logical reason do you have for why it 'never works out?' Just sounds like sentimental superstition to me. Unless you think they're all double agents or something?
    Logical reason?

    Juventus cheats, Inter does not.

    So you can be successful at Juventus without the merit, whilst at Inter you will fail if you do not have the merit.

    Decent start, or do you want me to dig deeper? The whole judicial system is revolved around this morality. If you're a liar, cheater etc, you are less likely to be considered credible. So why are Juventus directors considered credible by Inter fans of all people?

    If anything, I find it irrational and almost absurd that people here believe that Juventus is where they are because of merit and not because they're cheating mofos. I also find that very disrespectful towards Inter, its history and Italian football in general.

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    I hate Juve as much as the next guy, but you're a little paranoid I think.

    You make a semi-valid (albeit very poorly phrased) point that it's difficult to know whether individuals within the Juve 'machine' are really instrumental to the success because the whole setup of the club and its ownership - including, yes, their all-pervading influence which gives them an unfair advantage in a lot of instances - means that staff and players come and go with little let up in their success. However, if you look at where Juve were when he joined (2010, real low point for them as they stuttered in mid-table following promotion) along with his previous good work at Sampdoria, I think there's strong evidence he's someone that would contribute to the success of the club.
    "I didnít want to upset or disrespect the Lazio fans, but I had to do it for Lotito. It was the saddest backflip of my career."

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