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    Pierpaolo Marino was free and chilling and we hired fucking Marotta.

    He's back to Udinese. Give him 2-3 seasons to turn garbage to gold and they'll be challenging for the European spots again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    Pierpaolo Marino was free and chilling and we hired fucking Marotta.

    He's back to Udinese. Give him 2-3 seasons to turn garbage to gold and they'll be challenging for the European spots again.
    We shouldn't be striving to emulate Udinese's successes dude. We made the right call here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblz View Post
    We shouldn't be striving to emulate Udinese's successes dude. We made the right call here.


    Pierpaolo Marino is the guy who made Napoli in the 80s. He left and Moggi took over only for Napoli to apparently sell out the 1988 Scudetto for match fixing (strong rumours and even went to court but it was dodgy times with no chances of justice... which later as a result created the Milan European dominance as a result and made Sacchi be considered a top coach when he was just a fringe lower leagues coach)

    He went to Udinese in the 90s and out of nothing created a team that could challenge the Scudetto in the toughest era (very strong Inter, Juventus, Milan, Fiorentina, Parma, Roma, Lazio etc)

    Went back to Napoli in 2004 and helped build the foundations of the team you are watching today. Napoli was in Lega Pro at the time...

    Then went to Atalanta and enhanced their academies and also helped create the team you watch today making it to the Champions League. They were a club that used the Serie A to B elevator frequently before he got there.

    Basically he turned shit into Champions League participants wherever he stayed for more than 1 season.

    He brought Dunga, Brazil's captain, to freaking Pescara. That's like Palermo signing someone like Casemiro

    The guy has the magic touch and is the best Italian football director out there. He even got shit for Moggi's match fixing scandals at Napoli when he wasn't even there as he had resigned when Moggi rose through the ranks during the 87 Scudetto season.

    P..S. For goosebumps: https://www.juventus.com/en/club/man...otta/index.php

    Marotta is still CEO at Juventus according to their website
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    Well turning Serie B level teams into CL contenders is nothing but commendable but we're already past that stage. Marotta and Conte for that matter turned a midtable team into perennial champions and a CL powerhouse.
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    Isn't Marotta the CEO and Ausillio the football director?

    If you want Pierpaolo Marino you should wish for Asillio to be fired.
    Ajax just thrashed Juve!! Fuck whoever uses the 'experience' excuse for signing bunch of mediocre 30+ year olds who do nothing other than laying in the treatment room and demanding high wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblz View Post
    Well turning Serie B level teams into CL contenders is nothing but commendable but we're already past that stage. Marotta and Conte for that matter turned a midtable team into perennial champions and a CL powerhouse.
    Come on man, Juventus finished 2nd in Serie A in 2009. It's not as if he created a top team out of thin air. He got the most corrupted and influential team in Italy to be in a position to exert that power. It's not like he did that with Palermo or Bari.

    "Turning Serie B level teams" is one thing. Making them CL contenders and champions is another.

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    Isn't Marotta the CEO and Ausillio the football director?

    If you want Pierpaolo Marino you should wish for Asillio to be fired.
    Marotta and Marino occupy the same position. It just has a different name. CEO my ass. Antonello is the CEO.
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    FC Internazionale Milano will adopt a co-CEO model, in which Marotta will work alongside Alessandro Antonello who becomes Chief Executive Officer Corporate in charge of all corporate activities.
    https://www.inter.it/en/news/65469/f...-officer-sport

    Please explain, how do you know what is Marotta actually doing? If he is a football director why didn't they give him that title? How do you know he is no promoted at Inter? What's the motive behind misleading people by calling him 'CEO of sport' when he is actually doing the job of of a football director?

    Ask your mysterious source and get back to me.
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    Ajax just thrashed Juve!! Fuck whoever uses the 'experience' excuse for signing bunch of mediocre 30+ year olds who do nothing other than laying in the treatment room and demanding high wages.

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    His title was CEO of Sport at Juventus. His role was always to supervise the football aspect of a club from a managerial role. From Sampdoria even. Such a role did not exist at Inter.
    We had to invent it so that his appointment would not be considered as a downgrade.

    Pierpaolo Marino had a similar role. Each club is different. Sampdoria for example where Marotta was did not have a Director of Football. They had a Sporting Director, which is Ausilio's role. Marotta was not that guy. Napoli only has a Sporting Director whose role is the same as Marotta's but his responsibilities include some things that Ausilio does. It's not a rigid structure.

    Ausilio and Marino do not have the same role.
    If Marino came to Inter he would not be called CEO of Sport. He wouldn't care about the title. He'd still be in charge of the same things though.

    Why do you want to complicate simple things? It doesn't take a lot of effort to understand that the name of a job doesn't mean that much and that each club has different roles for each title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    Pierpaolo Marino is the guy who made Napoli in the 80s. He left and Moggi took over only for Napoli to apparently sell out the 1988 Scudetto for match fixing (strong rumours and even went to court but it was dodgy times with no chances of justice... which later as a result created the Milan European dominance as a result and made Sacchi be considered a top coach when he was just a fringe lower leagues coach)

    He went to Udinese in the 90s and out of nothing created a team that could challenge the Scudetto in the toughest era (very strong Inter, Juventus, Milan, Fiorentina, Parma, Roma, Lazio etc)

    Went back to Napoli in 2004 and helped build the foundations of the team you are watching today. Napoli was in Lega Pro at the time...

    Then went to Atalanta and enhanced their academies and also helped create the team you watch today making it to the Champions League. They were a club that used the Serie A to B elevator frequently before he got there.

    Basically he turned shit into Champions League participants wherever he stayed for more than 1 season.

    He brought Dunga, Brazil's captain, to freaking Pescara. That's like Palermo signing someone like Casemiro

    The guy has the magic touch and is the best Italian football director out there. He even got shit for Moggi's match fixing scandals at Napoli when he wasn't even there as he had resigned when Moggi rose through the ranks during the 87 Scudetto season.

    P..S. For goosebumps: https://www.juventus.com/en/club/man...otta/index.php

    Marotta is still CEO at Juventus according to their website
    And yet he was unemployed since 2015 when he left Atalanta. In the last 4 years many Serie A teams have changed their directors and yet no one decided to hire Marino. Isn't that telling you anything?

    Btw Atalanta league positions under Marino's 4-year stint:

    2011-12: 13th
    2012-13: 15th
    2013-14: 11th
    2014-15: 17th

    He left Atalanta at 17th position. Giving him credit for this season is going too far.
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    He wasn't unemployed, he wasn't in the market because he wanted to retire. He went to Udinese because he loves it there and they need him. But it's true that no big club showed interest in him, with the exception of Milan a couple of seasons ago but he rejected them.

    I'm not giving him credit for the season or their table ranking. I'm giving him credit for turning the club into what it is. He also had lots of issues with the ownership in his last two seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    He wasn't unemployed, he wasn't in the market because he wanted to retire. He went to Udinese because he loves it there and they need him. But it's true that no big club showed interest in him, with the exception of Milan a couple of seasons ago but he rejected them.

    I'm not giving him credit for the season or their table ranking. I'm giving him credit for turning the club into what it is. He also had lots of issues with the ownership in his last two seasons.
    Brehme, it's not the first time you recommended Marino! And your argument is valid!
    Still, I believe his time for us has passed! He was one of the best sporting directors (or how the fuck you want to name it)in the last 15-20 years. His stints at Udinese and Napoli proved that.
    He would have been an excellent hiring in 2012 or 2013, when our golden generation retired, we were without CL and in deep financial shit. If we had someone like Marino back then, probably we would have been in a way better position today!
    But in 2019, I am more than Ok with Marotta!

    We talk here how one coach or another is good at midlevel teams but cannot fulfill the expectations at the big clubs(Spalletti, Guidolin, Mazzarri). I believe the same apply to sporting directors: one is to make a lower/midlevel team, one who qualify for Cl and is another shit to be able to win trophies (real trophies like scudetto or CL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    Pierpaolo Marino was free and chilling and we hired fucking Marotta.
    Fabio Capello was free and chilling and we hired fucking Conte

    Dude, I have to disagree with you here on two counts:

    1. Marino's best days are behind him

    2. He has the quality to work on small budgets and create a decent team. He would have been a decent choice for Inter 5 years ago. Right now we need someone who can take a top 4 club to silverware. Marotta is the right man for this job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluenine View Post
    Fabio Capello was free and chilling and we hired fucking Conte

    Dude, I have to disagree with you here on two counts:

    1. Marino's best days are behind him

    2. He has the quality to work on small budgets and create a decent team. He would have been a decent choice for Inter 5 years ago. Right now we need someone who can take a top 4 club to silverware. Marotta is the right man for this job.
    That's not really fair on Marino. Has he ever failed with a large budget? His transfer success % is through the roof and that's even harder to pull off with a smaller budget.

    If Marotta was so great for Juventus, then why was he deemed expendable and sacked in the middle of the season? He didn't even get his way and that could have been the case for lots of transfers that took place and shaped their roster for all we know. It wasn't as if his role was to supervise transfer activity, it was just a small part of his job description. And you cannot really give Marotta the full credit on transfers as he has nothing to do with scouting and he's more in the deal negotation side than the player proposal one, even if he had done that as well.

    Pierpaolo on the other hand is someone who deals with the 'football' aspect alone, scouting, transfers, youth academies and so on. He just never got a chance to work with a large budget.

    The only reason one would oppose him is the fact that he decided to retire and spend his time on tv and radio and just chill. But this is not a job that requires a routine or a constant workload. You either have it or you don't. And Pierpaolo Marino is probably the greatest of all time in Italy. Marotta to him is what a Mini Cooper is to a Rolls Royce.
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    Pierpaolo Marino is officially appointed as the new sporting director of Udinese.

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    According to Catalan newspaper Sport, juventus have offered to de ligt 10 million euros after taxes per season.

    And even more has offered psg: 12 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firmino View Post
    Pierpaolo Marino is officially appointed as the new sporting director of Udinese.

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    According to Catalan newspaper Sport, juventus have offered to de ligt 10 million euros after taxes per season.

    And even more has offered psg: 12 million.
    If I was de Ligt would pick Juve, since it's easier to get out of Juve than PSG. Or actually if I was Raiola, because he wants transfers. After 3-4 years, de Ligt moves to Barcelona for a world record CB fee. Barcelona offers 9m€ per (same as de Jong).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Drago View Post
    And yet he was unemployed since 2015 when he left Atalanta. In the last 4 years many Serie A teams have changed their directors and yet no one decided to hire Marino. Isn't that telling you anything?

    Btw Atalanta league positions under Marino's 4-year stint:

    2011-12: 13th
    2012-13: 15th
    2013-14: 11th
    2014-15: 17th

    He left Atalanta at 17th position. Giving him credit for this season is going too far.

    Exactly. Brehme has a bad habit of only highlighting the stuff that supports his opinion. He will highlight a bad 15-game stint at Atalanta to "prove" Conte is not a good manager.

    Marino was terrible at Atalanta. He also became President of Avellino after they were sent down to Serie B and made them even worse. His last season there they finished 15th in Serie B. It was their worst season in 16 years and they only missed out on relegation because of their goal differential.

    You mention Dunga at Pescara, but what about all his other failed transfers that season? He was fired because he signed all of these unproven foreign players and they all sucked and Pescara went straight back down to Serie B. Not sure how you can compare it to bringing in Casemiro wither. Dunga was almost 30 years old at the time and played for Pisa and Fiorentina already, so he was already in Italy. 2 years later he was playing in Japan lol.
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    This season is unfortunately a 5 season setback. We were 1.5 mercato away from becoming a top team, now won't really have expectations of winning an important trophy until 2025.


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