Imagine being so deranged after a 4 goal win that you have to get this lowOriginally Posted by brehme1989
Gotta admit though, my English isnt great, thanks for the criticism.
10 - Legend. One of the absolute best players in the history of the game (think Meazza, Matthäus)
9 - Icon. One of the best players in club history, and one of the best players in the world
8 - Great. A player of high quality that adds a lot to the team, one of the best in the league
7 - Good. A valuble asset to the team, one of the 10-15 best in his position in the league
6 - Above average. Useful player, but will never be a key player for a team
5 - Average. Completely average player. Does his job, but doesn't stand out
4 - Below average. Not a disaster, but would be better if we didn't sign him in the first place
3 - Anonymous. Will never be remembered due to the fact nobody expected anything from him
2 - Useless. Adds nothing of value, detrimental to the team when on the pitch
1 - Infamous. Awful signing, will go down in history as one of the shittiest Inter players ever
Imagine being so deranged after a 4 goal win that you have to get this low
Gotta admit though, my English isnt great, thanks for the criticism.
Nothing 'low' about responding to an irrelevant post from someone who did not understand what the post stated. If you don't like receiving responses about your quality of comprehension after you make baiting replies based on posts you did not understand, maybe ask what the post really meant before baiting with stupid remarks. Got it, person?Imagine being so deranged after a 4 goal win that you have to get this low
Gotta admin though, my English isnt great.
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He improved his first touch big time.
Yeah, can totally see why you’re so sensitive about a post that you deemed ‘irrelevant’
Fucking Icardi, when can he be back giving ‘hockey assists’? Cuz somebody is upset that Lukaku keeps scoring here
There's only two things Icardi is better at than Lukaku:
1. Poaching;
2. Screwing over a team.
Icardi was a lethal finisher for us, one of the best in the world. But he's absolutely deranged to any other aspect which could involve a striker. He's slow, has absolutely got no passing vision for anything longer than 1m, cannot cross a ball for the sake of his life, tumbles over too often due to not having a genetically great physique, and worst of all: doesn't have the basic comprehension of teamwork and work rate. Most games with him were 10 vs 11 games where we were anxiously waiting for one good killer ball and one good finish.
I personally don't even care for pure goal comparisons, as it leaves out 99% of other aspects a striker can do for a team. It's completely normal that someone who is amazing at poaching, and is being played as poacher in a good team... Will get many goals. And they will get more goals than someone who is being played as a different type of forward in an equal team. Biggest example of this has always been Harry Kane. He manages to barely scrape top scorer in the Premier League for multiple seasons and even won it - despite being played as a deep dropping striker. He offers so much more to his team in terms of build-up, key passes and assists and yet he still is one of the top scorers of the Premier League. Such a striker has much more value than a poacher who requires a team build around him, rather than him assisting the team. The same goes for Lukaku for us. He does a lot more work than sitting on the shoulder of the last defender and trying to make runs for 1v1 goals. And that's normal, it's not his forte per se. We're using a system that suits Lukaku so Lukaku can help the team at his best. As we did with Icardi. And Lukaku managed to get us to 2nd place last year, in a season where our team was hardly better than the one from the season before. And he will likely get us to 1st place this year.
The two best scoring players from this generation, C. Ronaldo and Messi weren't even strikers. They had top strikers like Benzema and Suarez in their team and outscored them. Because these strikers were often put in different roles rather than a classic poacher or advanced forward to suit the team. And in case they still were (Benzema every now and then), it was usually setup bait to create more space for either Messi or C. Ronaldo.
And the argument we score as many goals with or without Lukaku is also complete bs:
- Can you prove it's actually true? Especially considering we scored 6 goals today with him on the pitch?
- What is your game sample size? Good luck with finding a statistical significance of p < 0,05, let alone an accountable R².
- What opponents are you comparing for the sample size?
- Consequently, what is our xG against these opponents? You called xG bullshit, but it's of most notable importance for this statistic you're presenting. We can call both Verona and Sassuolo [7-10th] place teams and still expect to score more goals vs Sassuolo due to play style.
- What is our actual xG in those games - did we score many shots from poor ranges in either of the two scenarios?
- ... list goes on.
And even if you were to find a significant outcome, that still doesn't account for what Lukaku can bring to a team. Maybe he helps us to more comfortably defend a lead as counters become more dangerous if the opposing team tries to press us?
And just so you know, Transfermarkt has statistics where they show if a player's goals make you a match winner or not. The sample size is too low to compare it with games without Lukaku, but I think I prefer having him play if I see this.
Oops!
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20-21:
Come up with actual discussable statistics instead of making things up on the spot of over a small sample size. This kind of polarizing bullshit is what this forums, and Inter fans in general, need less of.
Man sample size a significance value and a predictive R square all in the same paragraph. I'm so proud:There's only two things Icardi is better at than Lukaku:
1. Poaching;
2. Screwing over a team.
Icardi was a lethal finisher for us, one of the best in the world. But he's absolutely deranged to any other aspect which could involve a striker. He's slow, has absolutely got no passing vision for anything longer than 1m, cannot cross a ball for the sake of his life, tumbles over too often due to not having a genetically great physique, and worst of all: doesn't have the basic comprehension of teamwork and work rate. Most games with him were 10 vs 11 games where we were anxiously waiting for one good killer ball and one good finish.
I personally don't even care for pure goal comparisons, as it leaves out 99% of other aspects a striker can do for a team. It's completely normal that someone who is amazing at poaching, and is being played as poacher in a good team... Will get many goals. And they will get more goals than someone who is being played as a different type of forward in an equal team. Biggest example of this has always been Harry Kane. He manages to barely scrape top scorer in the Premier League for multiple seasons and even won it - despite being played as a deep dropping striker. He offers so much more to his team in terms of build-up, key passes and assists and yet he still is one of the top scorers of the Premier League. Such a striker has much more value than a poacher who requires a team build around him, rather than him assisting the team. The same goes for Lukaku for us. He does a lot more work than sitting on the shoulder of the last defender and trying to make runs for 1v1 goals. And that's normal, it's not his forte per se. We're using a system that suits Lukaku so Lukaku can help the team at his best. As we did with Icardi. And Lukaku managed to get us to 2nd place last year, in a season where our team was hardly better than the one from the season before. And he will likely get us to 1st place this year.
The two best scoring players from this generation, C. Ronaldo and Messi weren't even strikers. They had top strikers like Benzema and Suarez in their team and outscored them. Because these strikers were often put in different roles rather than a classic poacher or advanced forward to suit the team. And in case they still were (Benzema every now and then), it was usually setup bait to create more space for either Messi or C. Ronaldo.
And the argument we score as many goals with or without Lukaku is also complete bs:
- Can you prove it's actually true? Especially considering we scored 6 goals today with him on the pitch?
- What is your game sample size? Good luck with finding a statistical significance of p < 0,05, let alone an accountable R².
- What opponents are you comparing for the sample size?
- Consequently, what is our xG against these opponents? You called xG bullshit, but it's of most notable importance for this statistic you're presenting. We can call both Verona and Sassuolo [7-10th] place teams and still expect to score more goals vs Sassuolo due to play style.
- What is our actual xG in those games - did we score many shots from poor ranges in either of the two scenarios?
- ... list goes on.
And even if you were to find a significant outcome, that still doesn't account for what Lukaku can bring to a team. Maybe he helps us to more comfortably defend a lead as counters become more dangerous if the opposing team tries to press us?
And just so you know, Transfermarkt has statistics where they show if a player's goals make you a match winner or not. The sample size is too low to compare it with games without Lukaku, but I think I prefer having him play if I see this.
Oops!
19-20:
20-21:
Come up with actual discussable statistics instead of making things up on the spot of over a small sample size. This kind of polarizing bullshit is what this forums, and Inter fans in general, need less of.
Why do you fuckers always have to compare?
All of them, all of Adriano, Ronaldo, Icardi and Lukaku have been great for us. Great players, with their pros and cons. Anyoone who says Icardi wаs bad is eating shit. Same for Lukaku. Different players, different era.
And yet, most od them won shit lol. Very little. Its never the player, its the team. And fact is, we have always had great STs. Just be done with this shit. Respect Icardi for his time here and support Lukaku, as both are great strikers. Jeeesus
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Ironically, Lukaku has a significant amount of "poacher" goals whereas Icardi really couldn't be a...poacher, as he played sole striker for a large part of his Inter career. Which isn't a great standard since it was pretty much half a season + some PKs at the end of it when he was called to save the team that screwed him. How did Icardi screw the team? By protesting to the management over the coach they wanted to sack in the first place was being very selective in his criticism and treatment of his teammates?
Maybe you need a definition of what a poacher is, which is when you score goals as the unintended recipient of the ball, or some fluke goals on the line that someone just has to tap it in. You also need to learn the facts of the Icardi saga and not just follow the uneducated consensus that still is everpresent here.
There really is no point in a one on one player comparison as our team style is vastly different. But Icardi is vastly superior to Lukaku in terms of killing off chances, in terms of evading defenders, in terms of beating the offside trap, in winning headers from defenders, at pressing the defense, moving off the ball, running towards the correct lanes when we are on the attack, playing with his back to the goal and placing shots at goal.
What he lacks is in dribbling, which he's not really bad at, but since he's not explosive he cannot really do much other than use it in the box. Which he has used a lot and has scored goals due to that.
Lukaku beats him in physicality. Faster, stronger, more explosive. But he's far too clumsy, has an awful touch, takes way too much time to make a decision some times when he has the ball and he doesn't know how to use his own strength and insists on demanding the ball at his feet, which doesn't help the team much since he takes too much time to decide what to do and any element of a dangerous attack usually goes begging and he fumbles a lot on the ball so he wastes a lot of possessions this way. And his positional and spatial awareness is toddler like that it becomes infuriating at times.
Both have similar passing and crossing ability, which is more than adequate.
This comparison does not mean squat, as Conte wants a physical presence with speed and Lukaku is just that.
Spoken like someone who probably never bothered to watch Icardi but simply read opinions of others.
Nobody cares about Harry Kane. And Icardi wouldn't even be discussed if you weren't constantly mentioning him, but since Lukaku is his indirect heir, I get that there's this fascination.
Lukaku did not get us to 2nd spot. Inter got 2nd spot. For various reasons. Lukaku obviously was a factor, as a player of this team, but he wasn't the catalyst.
If you're looking for catalysts:
- Covid break. We were shit, it sort of saved our terrible form, with the added weight of European fixtures (cannot imagine us playing home & away vs Leverkusen with that kind of form and making it through, given how Conte is shit at dealing with this)
- Indirectly, this has allowed us to use 5 subs. We had depth, our rivals for the top 4 spots did not. We merely secured the top 4 earlier because we gained this advantage. We still enjoy this advantage.
- As a result, Lazio collapsed. This team was actually considered by many a possible candidate for winning the Scudetto but the combination of the break, the new hectic schedule, their lack of depth and acceptance that the top 4 spot was all that mattered at that point meant that we were one down. Juventus was bad, yet still won the league with ease and then played with kids three games in a row to make the 10 point deficit into 1 point. Illusion. And then we played Atalanta who were trying to get in line for their Champions League campaign and had already secured their next season's participation. We barely made it to 2nd place at the final game of the season with all these factors in play. So no, no one "led us to 2nd spot", it happened despite our inconsistency because the new environment favored us.
Nothing to do with this discussion. It could if Icardi was the one benefitting from all this as a "poacher", which would pretty much correlate with a significant amount of Cristiano's goals. But this statement of yours serves nothing to your purpose.
If this is how you count, I don't want to bother with the rest of your post.
We scored FOUR goals with Lukaku on the pitch and TWO MORE after he was subbed out. How do you even credit 6 goals to Lukaku's presence???
If you really like digging out the numbers, you will find this out. I even made a post on this. You are obviously heavily biased towards Lukaku and you've not hidden it, so perhaps you pretended you didn't see that post. I'm not going to do double the work because you're not willing to find out easily accessible information.
The sample size does not stick with quantity alone. We scored goals in our toughest away games when Lukaku was out. Barcelona away, and people even called that first half the best 45 minutes we played under Conte, and Real Madrid, where Lautaro with Perisic as second forward both scored goals.
It's too easy to find which games Lukaku played in, when he was in and out, and see how many goals we had going in. I'm pretty sure you do know this and the only reason you make these pretentious statistical questions is because you know that the answer is not going to help you out and you think that by diverting attention to demanding some useless scientific approach will make your argument stand. Again, do your own work and present why what I said is wrong. I've presented the actual data multiple times, no mood of doing it again.
Nobody who understands football cares about xG. Hipster information is only valid for hipster discussions.
When they come up with a metric that cares about position of defenders, quality of defenders, height of the ball when the shot was taken, weight of the pass, direction the ball was moving towards at the time of the shot, the angle the goalkeeper was viewing the situation from, the available room for the shot to reach the target, tracked the movement of the person making the shot and weighted it in and "the list goes on", maybe then you can use the xG as an actual argument. Until then, it's just a hipster's tool with Xs and Os to make pretentious statistical talk.
I love how you used this bullshit stat from Transfermarkt but you didn't make the simple effort of seeing how many goals we scored without Lukaku.And even if you were to find a significant outcome, that still doesn't account for what Lukaku can bring to a team. Maybe he helps us to more comfortably defend a lead as counters become more dangerous if the opposing team tries to press us?
And just so you know, Transfermarkt has statistics where they show if a player's goals make you a match winner or not. The sample size is too low to compare it with games without Lukaku, but I think I prefer having him play if I see this.
Oops!
19-20:
20-21:
Come up with actual discussable statistics instead of making things up on the spot of over a small sample size. This kind of polarizing bullshit is what this forums, and Inter fans in general, need less of.
Just to show you how stupid this is:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/romelu...nd/gamewinning
2019-20:
1) Cagliari away, PK. That's a valid one, but you keep ignoring that PKs are not as relevant here because even Handanovic could be taking those. Sure, Lukaku gets credit for scoring from the spot, but chill.
2) Brescia away, shot from outside the box. It's arguable. Made it 2-0, we ended up conceded a goal for the 2-1. You can argue it's a game winner, but usually the winner is the last goal, not the final differential. Either way, perhaps you can give him that, but only if you're too liberal about this.
3) Bologna away, PK once again.
4) Genoa home, scored the 1-0 in a 4-0 win. That's not a "match winner", that's just the opening goal. It's an important goal, but it's only the match winner if the game ends 1-0... Invalid.
5) Napoli away, shot to make it 0-2. We won that game 1-3. Arguable if it's a match winner since two more goals were scored that night, with Lautaro making it 1-3 in the end.
6) Udinese away, shot. Opened the score, we won 2-0. See above. Invalid.
7) Genoa away, header. Opened the score. We won 3-0 eventually. See above. Invalid.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/romelu...nd/gamewinning
2020-21:
1) Benevento away, scored the 3-0 in a 5-2 win. How is that a match winner? Two goals from his side earlier on and five more goals were scored in the game... Invalid.
2) Genoa away, opened the score, we won 2-0. See above. Invalid.
3) Torino at home. PK to make it 3-2. Valid, but it's a PK.
4) Napoli at home. PK for the final 1-0.
5) Spezia at home. Carbon copy of Brescia situation in previous season.
That's only from the site you claimed to be some sort of expert list on the matter. It's obviously shite.
I mentioned it many times, in his first season out of his 34 goals, 8 of them were PKs and you have the following goals that came after a 2 goal cushion was obtained:
- Lecce (H)
- Torino (A)
- Genoa (H) [2nd goal]
- Cagliari (H) - Coppa Italia
- Milan (H), being a late game goal makes it debatable, but you can omit this if you're being strict.
- Genoa (A) [2nd goal]
- Shakhtar (H) [1st goal]
- Shakhtar (H) [2nd goal]
That's 8/34 goals that could have been scored by anyone on the team, being PKs, and another 8/34 that we'd win the game without. 23% of his goals were PKs and another 23% didn't really add value to the team.
This season it's looking better in this regard as he only has 3 PKs and only the Benevento goal (his 2nd) to show for, which is 25% of the total, rather than the 47% he had last season in 'gol inutile'
His actual game winners this season:
1) Torino (H). Penalty kick.
2) Gladbach (A). Debatable, but I'll give it to him even if we conceded later and had the VAR save our asses in the end, too.
3) Napoli (H). Penalty kick.
4) Crotone (H). Today's goal to make it 4-2 and clinch the 2 lead cushion.
He also scored vs Cagliari away in the final moment to clinch the win with a 3-1, which you could give him if you're extremely lenient. For me, that goal has the same fate as the 'Milan' goal. The win was achieved, that goal was just overkill even if technically it 'sealed' it by making it a 2 goal lead.
I really wish you were as objective as you present yourself to be with the number stuff and actually make a discussion out of this rather than stick with useless Icardi stuff.
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Three of Lukaku's five assists in Serie A have led to goals for Lautaro Martinez, including the last two occasions when the Belgian has set up a teammate to score.
Nobody cares about Harry Kane because I once said Kane is better than Icardi and got boo'ed the shit out of me on FIF. Too much bias can be a bad thing.
The only thing Icardi has over Lukaku is that Icardi made Inter fans love him because how he loved to score against Juve...and Lukaku is shitting himself against Juve constantly.
One of the best posts in this thread and in the infinite Icardi vs Lukaku conversation (which is spread all over the forum into different threads).
In my eyes Lukaku has grown to be a monster for us. He's better player this season than last season. He's using his body better. Good defenders can beat him still but he's better as the target man now. He still has his flaws but simply by using his great frame better makes him so much better player.
I will continue to lose my shit to Lukaku when he misses sitters or do other stupid stuff, but that doesn't take anything away from the things I said above about him.
Coz player comparisons are gay. And statistically 6.8% people are gay. Just saying
These things sadly seem to occur the most in clutch moments (do or die CL games, and big matches in the league).
Fact is, the margins for error at the top are very slim. And if I'm not mistaken, the top is where we're expecting to be, no? (Now more so than ever considering how weak juve is.) In any case, Lukaku (and Conte in particular) and paid on par with those at the top and if we do not reach the top then criticism is unavoidable, and quite frankly, pretty deserved.
**I move away from the mic to breathe in
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fuck, the last time I see this stat, it was 3%, now it's jumped to 6.8%, where's the world heading to???Coz player comparisons are gay. And statistically 6.8% people are gay. Just saying
Back to the topic, I don't think anyone seriously thinks Lukaku is better than Ronaldo or Milito. People keep comparing the stats to show Lukaku's beeing doing a great job and to retaliate the constant criticism directed at him.
Agree 100% but sadly as I've been saying Lautaro is the only one that can bring us to the top against big teams but sadly that fucker is unfortunately inconsistent as fuck.
#zhangisconte'sbitch
Strong and fast defenders, like Koulibaly, can completely neutralize Lukaku. And he did not too long ago. Thankfully not many clubs have such a defender in their squad. He’s not perfect. No player is. But he’s amongst the best in the world at his position. That’s not a bad thing for us going forward.
I think his best attribute is his ability to improve himself even in a slow rate. When he came here his first touch was abysmal and his play with the back wasn't bright either. We saw that for time being here he has improved in those areas even it's not great.
The problem is that Conte focuses our gameplay too much on him, as many people here have already said. We need to react better if Lukaku is main target for opposition's defense if we want our game does not suffer against such teams. Call it plan B or whatever, we definitely need it.
Romelu Lukaku has now scored 50 goals in all competitions for Inter in just 70 appearances (the Belgian has also provided nine assists).
Jesus fuck, not again.
brehme my friend, a goal that gives a team a 2 goal cushion is always important. There's nothing lenient about giving Lukaku credit for that. There's no such thing as a win is achieved when we only lead by a single goal until the referee blows the final whistle. It is definitely not overkill as you put it. I trust that you are a veteran supporter of this team. You know that we are prone to conceding those retarded late equalizers regardless of the opponents, including these 'Serie B' teams as you put it? Conceding late silly ass equalizers is in our DNA, dating back to Mancini's very first season with us in 2004/2005.
Lukaku is a beast!!!! I really think he is one of the best 3 strikers in the world at the moment!
Yesterday he created a lot of score opportunities thanks to his movements and skills. A part of this, he scored a great goal and served a wonderful assist.
He is a king!
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