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    Quote Originally Posted by Candreva Crosses View Post
    I think people doubting you is because you are here to be critical but can't praise them when they've played good. Some people aint hyping them but praising them.
    Sounds like jjm when 2 minutes into a game that we're gonna lose. Then win 3-1
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    The thing is that it's ok to say that it's early for any prediction (and stuff like that). But saying that what Conte is doing is the same as Spaletti or Mancini, is wrong. He earns more money, he got better players, that's true. But i would never say that Mancini or Spalletti would do good like him (or better). Because people ignore the fact that Conte came here to change things and not to improve. Spalletti came here to make our squad better, nothing else. He gave a fuck about the dressing room, all he wanted is improving the defence and the midfield. Mancini simliar. With the diffrence that he wanted to spend a lot of money for old fuckers like Yaya Toure. I have respect for him, but i think that he's time as coach is over, like with Mourinho for example. Both coaches (Spalletti and Mancini) came with a idea, but not more.
    Conte came here to change everything. Maybe he used the previous seasons to understand where the team needs improve, that's true. But "the way" he used to join Inter, that's what makes him really diffrent from our other coaches. He is WORKING for the team and doing the best to improve the team on every aspect, and not only searching to field 11 players and trying to win games, if you understand what i mean. That's why Conte is a winner. He is taking a lot of responsibility. He knows that fans expect a lot from him. Everyone that thinks he is enjoying he's 11M from Inter, is wrong. Earning so much means also to working so much for that money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    You'll find it ironic. But I agree. This is exactly why I post the 'negative' things. People are jumping on bandwagons left and right but when someone explains why it is too premature to do so you gang up against him.

    So yeah, wtf?

    I didn't say that the script is written and the story foretold already. I keep saying it's too early to jump to these conclusions. It's not our first ride ffs yet the stakes are now higher than ever in the past 9 seasons.
    This is what you have to put up when you go against majority. Why do you think I have this fucking username? He is now getting praised again, this guy is incredible. Candreva and D'Ambrosio at our team has a sweet spot at majority of our fans I feel like.

    Sure, its too early to jump to conclussions. But and a big fucking BUT, we know Conte is good at bringing up talents. I think El Toro's form is much because of Conte trusting him and Lukaku helping him out. I think Lukaku has a big impact on El Toro's good form. Barella, sure many talked about him before we bought him but he already is a given starting eleven place. Sensi too? I didn't even know who Sensi was(no impact on me when watching games). Now we have El Toro, Skriniar, Barella, Sensi that is under 25? This is great. Praise this, hype this, its not too early to praise this.

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    What that implies is that the media is clueless about these things. Now they know that it's not 100m. Soon they'll say that Lotito rejected a couple of offers in the summer and later on that the Serb had agreed with a couple of teams and so on. You think the media knows shit? Only a handful of them do and they rarely report unless it's a done deal.

    P.S. Check what happened between Lazio and SMS since the summer and tell me if lowering the valuation makes any sense.
    SMS hasn't played good this season. If media doesn't know shit why do you have to put a pricetag on them when you argument this? It's impossible to say how much they would cost. You are argumenting against yourself.
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    be patient before praising guys!!!

    but criticism is fine from the get go and every single fucking day

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottishInterista View Post
    Sounds like jjm when 2 minutes into a game that we're gonna lose. Then win 3-1
    Only way is up from that mind set... Silly Scottish boy

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    I did comment on Conte doing very well and being justified by results (in Serie A) by his selections. But it's still premature.
    What is premature? Praising the coach for getting the absolute maximum in terms of results SO FAR? Nobody is celebrating a tripletta.

    It's important to have a good first round but we usually do have one.
    Just close the club if we can't enjoy being top of the table for now, again, if we are just extrapolating from the past couple of seasons we should stop playing altogether.

    Spending 300m and marginally being better than 2 seasons ago I do not see as a massive improvement and reason to be excited, sorry. I'll be excited once we stop making reasons not to.
    We didn't spend 300M, lol. About excitement - at this point I doubt you can ever get excited, especially considering you are making all the reasons not to get excited yourself. Anyway, I can respect some healthy pessimism.

    Fucking up an easy European situation for example is close to unforgivable.
    Nothing "easy" about a group that contains Barcelona, Borussia and a Slavia Prague that honestly speaking could cause a lot of trouble to most of the top European teams, playing out of their minds. So far, they haven't lost any away games in THAT group. Let that sink in. At the Camp Nou and Signal Iduna Park.

    Being shaky at home is not a very good thing, whilst on the other hand it is vital that we can kill it in our road trips.
    At home we lost to Juve, doh and drew to Parma. We won ALL of our away games, so yeah, we do "kill it". So far. As browha said, if we win all our remaining games we'd be champions, guess that's what you're imagining as a decent season from Conte at his first season here.


    And sure, saying that I'd much rather get Milinkovic-Savic (60), Belotti (40-50) [with Gagliardini sent the other way in one of those deals to reduce the cash value] and Lazzari (10+Dimarco) over Lukaku (~75m) and Lazaro (~25m) is a position I will maintain.
    Stop playing FM dude...

    SMS for 80M+ is even a bigger gamble than Lukaku for 65M+ At least one has played in different leagues and clubs and he's statistically performing and providing on a regular basis, whether you like the way he's doing it or not. SMS... he might be a Kessie, he might turn out great, who the fuck knows? Now you're pitting hypotheticals against the real fucking thing - a player doing what he was brought for. What if SMS flopped? Nevermind, I don't want to be a part of such discussions.

    Bellotti, well he isn't nearly as physical as Lukaku so if Conte wanted a physical striker it's pretty obvious what the right choice is. Lazzari... man, the dude with one assist in 9 games? By the way, Lazaro is three years younger.

    Overall some wet FM fantasies.

    Our best striker so far is Lautaro Martinez, whilst Lukaku has been getting on the scoresheet, it's only in the last month that it was due to merit and not PKs that others have earned or a tap in where the opposition defence simply collapsed.
    Icardi scoring PKs and tap-ins, he's the greatest striker we ever had. Lukaku doing the same while also ENABLING Lautaro to also shine - he's an overpriced piece of shit. Biased as fuck.

    A goal's a goal, but those are D'Ambrosio goals, not 80m striker goals!
    Don't quite remember a trivela assist or Adrianoesque goals from D'Ambrosio. Also, not a 80M striker, but you're allergic to facts anyway. 180M striker, 580358M striker, whatever.

    And further to that, we have been thin in the midfield since day one but we have had Sensi overperform to compensate for that and later on Barella got settled and developed early into a midfield leader. But other than that, the rest of our midfield is reliant on Brozovic's mood and patience.
    Shocking. Our two young Italian midfielders we've been chasing the whole summer have "overperformed". Nothing to do with Marotta's work on spotting the talent Italy currently has and relying on it. Sensi is "overperforming" and Barella is "developing" into a leader, let's forget he was Cagliari's captain, the youngest captain in the club's history at only 20...

    We could have lost points vs Udinese, vs SPAL the other night, we lost hands down to Juventus (first time I remember such a bad showing vs them at home since the early 2000s), we lost points to Parma, could have lost points to Verona and Lazio as well. We are unconvincing at home.
    Again, a loss to the perennial champions and a draw... what do you want? A perfect 42 pts season so far? Cause we aren't that far from your twisted fantasy even with 37 pts.

    I'm also catching myself obsessing over the goal-difference more and more lately, good teams can attack and defend and flukey teams are easily spotted by the GD - ours is the 2nd best in Serie A with +18. Juve are at +13.

    I don't see why people are not worried by this and instead focus on some minute records over 14 games or something. We are an 'away team' and that's a plus since we had forgotten how it was like to go somewhere and just grab the three points, but at some point we may reach equilibrium with our results and suffer for it.
    We might, that's true.


    Mancini was called lucky to manage all those similar wins 4 years ago, but it seems that people have felt like the luck we've had lately in home games is due to some superpower skill of Conte.
    Yeah, those are the "champion" wins. We are missing half our starting squad, grinding results at this point is an overperformance in itself.

    Mancini did it, Spaletti did it, Pioli had a decent run... Yeah, all flukes, all short-lived. The main difference for me is what the players say and how they trust the coach this time for real I hope. You see how the whole bench explodes when we score. It's touching really and this is how you win - by being a good TEAM more than a collection of individuals. Of course an Icardi fanboy will never get it.
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    We could have lost points it's true but if we speak for really undeserved wins only two games came up in my mind - Verona and Bologna. From other hand the draw with Parma was also undeserved as we totally outplayed them apart two cheap mistakes by Brozovic. With Spalletti and Mancini we had much more "lucky" wins, especially with the latter.

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    Marotta, of course it's fucking Marotta.

    We wanted Barella since 2017, but it's Marotta...

    We wanted Sensi since 2016, but it's Marotta.

    I cannot keep up with these anymore. And I cannot seriously waste more time replying to the rest of it.

    Ausilio sucks, we get it. Sabatini brought all the good guys, Ausilio brought only Dalbert. And Vampeta back in 2000.
    Now Biraghi is Ausilio's signing, the rest are all Marotta...

    Please find me a quote from those days from our players who said "we cannot sustain this", "our coach is not good enough to keep this on" and whatever else. Or maybe you will find the exact opposite kind of quotes, like the ones you claim are unique to Conte...
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    As I already said, I vividly remember how the majority of posters were like "we are fucking lucky to get those results". You go check and get back to me.

    And of EVERYTHING I wrote you only focus on the Marotta part. Look, we might've been interested in Barella and Sensi's dads ballsacks before they were born for all I care. I just know that we bought both last summer and Marotta talks about Italian talent and Inter's "italianization". One is being interested in something, another is actually pursuing it and third and fourth is to actually get it done. And yes, Ausilio is the type of guy that would get Matic and Rakitic over the summer and call it a day. He's good in the day-to-day but lacks vision. If you can't see that it's probably because you two share traits.
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    You can also go back to this season's home games vs Udinese, Lazio, Parma and yesterday to see a similar reaction. And the Juventus game compared to previous seasons.

    Why do you emphasize on the past and ignore the same pattern in the present?
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    I see no similarities, to be honest. We are playing decent football and winning. I'm ephasizing on the past just so you can have a fair shot in this argument cause our implosions happened and we began to freefall after such wonderful winstreaks as the one we have currently. I'm not thinking we are winning the title this year but I don't think we are imploding (even with all the injuries) anytime soon either. Have we struggled? Sure. Even Juve that has a top 3 bench and refs to help them out is struggling but the best I've seen from Spaletti's teams is worse than the best I've seen from Conte's Inter so far. Whether it's the 4231 to blame or whatever is besides the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    Marotta, of course it's fucking Marotta.

    We wanted Barella since 2017, but it's Marotta...

    We wanted Sensi since 2016, but it's Marotta.

    I cannot keep up with these anymore. And I cannot seriously waste more time replying to the rest of it.

    Ausilio sucks, we get it. Sabatini brought all the good guys, Ausilio brought only Dalbert. And Vampeta back in 2000.
    Now Biraghi is Ausilio's signing, the rest are all Marotta...

    Please find me a quote from those days from our players who said "we cannot sustain this", "our coach is not good enough to keep this on" and whatever else. Or maybe you will find the exact opposite kind of quotes, like the ones you claim are unique to Conte...
    Barella and Sensi appeared in every notebook of every scouts out there. Milan scouted them before us, does it make Maldini a transfer guru?

    The thing distinguishing a good director and a good scout is knowing when to splash the money and when to stop raising the price. It wasnt a coincidence why our purchases were good when Ausilio worked with another guy above, helping him to make such decision (Sabatini, Marotta); and shit when he worked alone. He can stay as a scout or an executor, I dont care, but not a director.

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    At some points, you guys gotta look at yourselves in the mirror and ask if you're the real idiots here. It has been fucking 5 months and still get baited everytime by brehme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varmin View Post
    We could have lost points it's true but if we speak for really undeserved wins only two games came up in my mind - Verona and Bologna. From other hand the draw with Parma was also undeserved as we totally outplayed them apart two cheap mistakes by Brozovic. With Spalletti and Mancini we had much more "lucky" wins, especially with the latter.
    Yep.. and let's be honest, i don't know a team that does not have luck and win every game without having some luck. Just watch Juve for example. They won almost every game with only 1 goal advantage and are not playing that good.
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    Ausilio has no power to execute a buy... If Suning and Marotta say nope it's a nope.
    In case of Lautaro it was Milito suggesting him to JZ and then Ausilio scouted him a little and negotiated the 20mil price (good business) because now he is worth 150mil easily...
    Still... Biggest Thanks to Milito, Inter living legend
    I imagine Ausilio got a lot of nopes in the past because of FFP, Chinese restrictions so he was forced to buy bargains... But in football u can't half ass it... Maybe he could scout better players on a cheap tho... For sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblz View Post
    I see no similarities, to be honest. We are playing decent football and winning. I'm ephasizing on the past just so you can have a fair shot in this argument cause our implosions happened and we began to freefall after such wonderful winstreaks as the one we have currently. I'm not thinking we are winning the title this year but I don't think we are imploding (even with all the injuries) anytime soon either. Have we struggled? Sure. Even Juve that has a top 3 bench and refs to help them out is struggling but the best I've seen from Spaletti's teams is worse than the best I've seen from Conte's Inter so far. Whether it's the 4231 to blame or whatever is besides the point.
    I don't think we will implode either. But I do see us releasing the gas pedal. Hopefully not very awkwardly to bring in disappointment.

    I'm just saying we should stop pretending as if we have become this amazing squad within a summer.

    Our record is nice, but it's also just a 15 year span where 20 teams play. In Trap's season we'd already be halfway and between those two eras there were 18 teams. That makes all these not compatible for a comparison. If you add 2 more teams, the record will break even faster if the scheduling allows for it. These stuff I'm not very interested in and I don't see why they should have much bearing other than just giving a satisfaction of point accumulation.

    Now as for our football, Conte plays somehow in the way I prefer us to be in Italy. That is with 2 strikers and 3 central midfielders. I'm not taking anything away from the accomplishment, but if you wanna see the full picture then there's more to it than "record breaking" as H is saying.

    Half way through the season I can safely draw more conclusions after we'd have played everyone at least once. But now with 5 tough games remaining we'll see how we will fare. And every team has injury issues. Fuck, we at Inter know all about these since the late 90s with so many highly rated players that at some point our offense was Ventola + Kallon or Recoba + Mutu and the defensive duo was even Gamarra + Adani vs Juventus away and we still managed to win these games. Handling injuries is part of a manager's job. Spalletti got crucified for losing games without some key players, I don't see why different rules should apply now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblz View Post
    Nothing "easy" about a group that contains Barcelona, Borussia and a Slavia Prague that honestly speaking could cause a lot of trouble to most of the top European teams, playing out of their minds. So far, they haven't lost any away games in THAT group. Let that sink in. At the Camp Nou and Signal Iduna Park.
    They haven't played at Signal Iduna yet. I hope this was a prediction for the last CL matchday as it is probably what we need to qualify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brehme1989 View Post
    I don't think we will implode either. But I do see us releasing the gas pedal. Hopefully not very awkwardly to bring in disappointment.

    I'm just saying we should stop pretending as if we have become this amazing squad within a summer.

    Our record is nice, but it's also just a 15 year span where 20 teams play. In Trap's season we'd already be halfway and between those two eras there were 18 teams. That makes all these not compatible for a comparison. If you add 2 more teams, the record will break even faster if the scheduling allows for it. These stuff I'm not very interested in and I don't see why they should have much bearing other than just giving a satisfaction of point accumulation.

    Now as for our football, Conte plays somehow in the way I prefer us to be in Italy. That is with 2 strikers and 3 central midfielders. I'm not taking anything away from the accomplishment, but if you wanna see the full picture then there's more to it than "record breaking" as H is saying.

    Half way through the season I can safely draw more conclusions after we'd have played everyone at least once. But now with 5 tough games remaining we'll see how we will fare. And every team has injury issues. Fuck, we at Inter know all about these since the late 90s with so many highly rated players that at some point our offense was Ventola + Kallon or Recoba + Mutu and the defensive duo was even Gamarra + Adani vs Juventus away and we still managed to win these games. Handling injuries is part of a manager's job. Spalletti got crucified for losing games without some key players, I don't see why different rules should apply now.
    Okay, great, we are in agreement here for the most part - It's fragile what we have but it's good so far. All the coaches face injury crises from time to time and it's up to them and the management to smooth the ride.

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    They haven't played at Signal Iduna yet. I hope this was a prediction for the last CL matchday as it is probably what we need to qualify.
    Yeah, my bad. The Meazza and Camp Nou aren't easy for minnows to hold on to draws either. And yes, I sure as hell hope they make it 3 out of 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblz View Post
    What is premature? Praising the coach for getting the absolute maximum in terms of results SO FAR? Nobody is celebrating a tripletta.


    Just close the club if we can't enjoy being top of the table for now, again, if we are just extrapolating from the past couple of seasons we should stop playing altogether.


    We didn't spend 300M, lol. About excitement - at this point I doubt you can ever get excited, especially considering you are making all the reasons not to get excited yourself. Anyway, I can respect some healthy pessimism.


    Nothing "easy" about a group that contains Barcelona, Borussia and a Slavia Prague that honestly speaking could cause a lot of trouble to most of the top European teams, playing out of their minds. So far, they haven't lost any away games in THAT group. Let that sink in. At the Camp Nou and Signal Iduna Park.


    At home we lost to Juve, doh and drew to Parma. We won ALL of our away games, so yeah, we do "kill it". So far. As browha said, if we win all our remaining games we'd be champions, guess that's what you're imagining as a decent season from Conte at his first season here.



    Stop playing FM dude...

    SMS for 80M+ is even a bigger gamble than Lukaku for 65M+ At least one has played in different leagues and clubs and he's statistically performing and providing on a regular basis, whether you like the way he's doing it or not. SMS... he might be a Kessie, he might turn out great, who the fuck knows? Now you're pitting hypotheticals against the real fucking thing - a player doing what he was brought for. What if SMS flopped? Nevermind, I don't want to be a part of such discussions.

    Bellotti, well he isn't nearly as physical as Lukaku so if Conte wanted a physical striker it's pretty obvious what the right choice is. Lazzari... man, the dude with one assist in 9 games? By the way, Lazaro is three years younger.

    Overall some wet FM fantasies.


    Icardi scoring PKs and tap-ins, he's the greatest striker we ever had. Lukaku doing the same while also ENABLING Lautaro to also shine - he's an overpriced piece of shit. Biased as fuck.


    Don't quite remember a trivela assist or Adrianoesque goals from D'Ambrosio. Also, not a 80M striker, but you're allergic to facts anyway. 180M striker, 580358M striker, whatever.


    Shocking. Our two young Italian midfielders we've been chasing the whole summer have "overperformed". Nothing to do with Marotta's work on spotting the talent Italy currently has and relying on it. Sensi is "overperforming" and Barella is "developing" into a leader, let's forget he was Cagliari's captain, the youngest captain in the club's history at only 20...


    Again, a loss to the perennial champions and a draw... what do you want? A perfect 42 pts season so far? Cause we aren't that far from your twisted fantasy even with 37 pts.

    I'm also catching myself obsessing over the goal-difference more and more lately, good teams can attack and defend and flukey teams are easily spotted by the GD - ours is the 2nd best in Serie A with +18. Juve are at +13.


    We might, that's true.



    Yeah, those are the "champion" wins. We are missing half our starting squad, grinding results at this point is an overperformance in itself.

    Mancini did it, Spaletti did it, Pioli had a decent run... Yeah, all flukes, all short-lived. The main difference for me is what the players say and how they trust the coach this time for real I hope. You see how the whole bench explodes when we score. It's touching really and this is how you win - by being a good TEAM more than a collection of individuals. Of course an Icardi fanboy will never get it.
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