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    Zurich - Fifa will consider banning Turkey from the 2010 World Cup as punishment for the violence at Wednesday's playoff match against Switzerland in Istanbul, Fifa president Sepp Blatter said on Thursday.

    "We will act tough," Blatter said. "The catalogue of sanctions extends from a simple warning to suspension of the federation, which could mean exclusion from the next international event."

    Blatter said Fifa's disciplinary committee will start its investigation immediately and decide on sanctions by Dec 9, the date for the draw of the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

    "In the truest sense of the word, fair play was trampled underfoot," Blatter told a news conference at Fifa headquarters. "This is unworthy of football. Football should promote understanding among peoples. This didn't happen here."

    Blatter, who is Swiss, said he found it "difficult to speak as a Swiss and as a Fifa president about something that concerns both Switzerland and Fifa. But it's my responsibility."

    Blatter said Marcel Mathier, the Swiss lawyer who heads the disciplinary committee, will refrain from considering the case.

    The two teams tied 4-4 on aggregate, but the Swiss advanced to next year's World Cup in Germany on away goals.

    "If a team that has won cannot celebrate on the pitch and instead have to run off like thieves, then something is wrong," Blatter said.

    After the final whistle, both teams raced from the field apparently to escape angry fans. A scuffle between players from both sides ensued in the tunnel on the way to the locker room.

    Swiss defender Stephane Grichting was injured in the brawl and hospitalised with a groin injury, the Swiss Football Association said.

    Some of the violence was caught by television cameras.

    Swiss player Benjamin Huggel kicked Turkish trainer Mehmet Ozdilek in the back of the legs as the two teams left the field. Turkey's Alpay Ozalan tried to kick Huggel in retaliation but instead made contact with another Swiss player in front of him. Huggel then grabbed Alpay around the neck and fell to the ground, with other players, coaches and security guards piling on.

    Blatter said Fifa would consider a range of severe sanctions against Turkey.


    I've seen the TV images, and I gotta say, they deserve nothing less. Huggel kicking Ozdilek was just disgraceful
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    Yeah, there were sad scenes after the game, and these have no place in soccer. I still don't know why did the Swiss player kick the trainer who is probably in his father's age, such disrespect.

    But there is a background to this problem. Turkish fans were upset because their anthem was booed by fans in the game in Switzerland. Also, many of the Turkish officials complained from the way the supposedly 'neutral' Swiss media attacked the team.

    I was skeptical to that, because I know that any official will be biased. So I dug around, and I found an article posted in a Swiss Newspaper that was really appauling. I am posting it below, I will translate the parts that are relevant, but I will post a link from the newspaper.

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    You can find the full article here from Le Temps one of the most popular newspapers in Switzerland. The article is the second one on the page.

    La Turquie coutumière des débordements sportifs

    En dix ans, plus de trente infractions ont été commises dans les stades

    Fred Hirzel

    Existe-t-il un «cas turc»? Un dernier bastion européen de violence systématique autour du football? «Certains diraient qu'il s'agit de la preuve que ce pays ne se situe pas en Europe!» ironise le professeur Jean-Loup Chappelet, spécialiste de politique du sport à l'Institut de hautes études en administration publique (IDHEAP) à Lausanne.

    Plus sérieusement: «Je crains que les débordements ne soient reliés à la religion dominante, l'islam, comme on le voit aussi au Moyen-Orient et en Indonésie. Ces pays sont, aujourd'hui, moins pacifiés que ceux d'Occident. La violence populaire s'exprime encore par des biais - dont le sport - où nos Etats ont légiféré depuis des années.»

    A l'appui de cette thèse, on a appris hier, via le porte-parole de la Fédération internationale de foot (FIFA), Andreas Herren, qu'une enquête a également été ouverte à la suite d'incidents advenus à Manama lors du barrage Bahreïn-Trinidad & Tobago.

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    Translation:

    The usual Turkish sporting problem: In 10 years, more than 30 infringements made in the stadia

    Fred Herzel

    Is there such a thing called the "Turkish case?" A last stronghold of systematic violence in European soccer? "Some would say this is a proof that this country is not located in Europe" ironically says professor Jean-Loup Chappelet, a policitcal specialist of sports in the Institute of High Studies in Public Adminstration (IDHEAP) in Lausanne.

    "I am afraid that the problems are related to the dominant religion, Islam, as we see it also in the Middle East and Indonesia. Those countries are, these days, less peaceful than those in the West. Public violence there expresses itself in areas - one of which is sports - where our states have made legislations long time ago.

    Supporting this claim, we learned yesterday - via FIFA's spokesman Andreas Herren - that a similar investiagtion was opened yesterday after the incidents that occured in Manama in the game between Bahrain and Trindad and Tobago.


    This is such a biggoted article. First, he points out that Turkey shouldn't be in Europe because of the violence that happens in its Stadia. By this criteria, the only countries that would be left in Europe are: Luxemberg, Linchenstein and the Faroe Island.

    Then, which is more serious, he blames the violence that happens in Turkey to the dominant islamic religion there. Then, he sights another example - the scenes after Bahrain and T&T game - that he claims support the thesis. Scenes that were not dramatic, and happened because the ref disallowed a goal that some saw valid. And the Bahrainian FA is launching an appeal.

    Wel, sorry to disappoint him, but I don't recall such a commandement as to act violent after a soccer loss in our religion. Furthermore, Turkey is a very secular country that separates religion from everything, including sports. In some cases, teams don't allow their players to fast during soccer games.

    Finally, I would like to point out to him that violence in soccer is in every country, regardless its religion. Doesn't he know that in 'more peaceful' European countries such as Spain and Italy, coloured players are racially abused? And that violence still takes place.

    Anyway, this is an example as to what lit up the situation. The Swiss media tried to show the Turks as religious savages that don't belong in Europe. Let's take politics away from soccer!

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    What a scumbag !!

    I am sick of this crap.WHat a racist ass this guy is..
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    Its really sad to see someone like Blatter becoming the fifa president. Objects thrown on the pitch and all that stuff are part of the game, the tunnel incident is NOT. Blatter should check out the facts before blabbering about things, it was a Swiss player who started this whole shit, after kicking Turkey's Coach for no apparent reason, it was only fair that a turkish player came to the defense of his coach.

    If anyone should be banned it should be that Swiss player (dont know his name)

    And the news article above written by Jeanie Loppi Chappa is nto worth commenting about, He really is some sick Physco
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    Turkey deserves to be punished for what they did, and banning Turkey from the 2010 World CUP would hardly be enough, they should also get banned in all competitions until 2014 and then give them a HUGE fine to.

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    Swiss player kick the trainer who is probably in his father's age, such disrespect.

    Well apparently the trainer kicked the Swiss player before the player kicked him. And what about the trainers age what has that to do with anything.

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    Have you guys even seen the images? The assistant coach of Turkey kicked first! He kicked the Lazio owned player Behrami. THEN he got kicked himself.

    The assistant coach of Turkey started the whole mess as you can see here:





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    Uefa and Blatter dont have the balls to ban Turkey, it will be a fine and no more

    We have had our fair share of problems, usually abroad and have had Uefa place sanctions on the country and the fans, the Turks always get away with it.

    Remember the two Leeds fans who were stabbed to death in Istanbul, not one word from Uefa.

    Wait for Germany next year, there are millions of Turks resident there, should be fun.

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    What the? I saw the incident on TV, and they only showed the Swiss player kicking the trainer.

    I had no idea that the trainer started it, what a pathetic l-o-s-e-r! We used to do stuff like that in street soccer when I was 10 maybe. And a guy with his age and experience should know better. This is really disgusting.

    I am not arguing that Turkey had problems in their stadia, that's for sure. I too think they should get some kind of punishment, their FA should resign or something. It's appauling to see a trainer do such a thing.

    But my beef is with the Swiss media that made it worse. They just picked on Turkey and tried to link politics and religion in the matter, which made it worse, and made people angrier. But what to expect from media I guess, they just look for what would sell.

    I still can't believe what the trainer did, it's making me laugh. What a professional!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamed
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    Somebody plzz shoot this idiot!


    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy
    Have you guys even seen the images? The assistant coach of Turkey kicked first! He kicked the Lazio owned player Behrami. THEN he got kicked himself.

    The assistant coach of Turkey started the whole mess as you can see here:




    WTF is Behrami doing..? He have gone back and kick his aSs!
    Do you know who kicked assistant coach..?
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    Wow, this is far more complicated than it seemed at first.

    I think the Turkish fans also played a part by throwing objects and that might be one of the reasons why Turkey might face a ban?
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    video: http://www.zippyvideos.com/3483462762269796/cht/

    shows turkey coach kicking out first. FACT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keir
    video: http://www.zippyvideos.com/3483462762269796/cht/

    shows turkey coach kicking out first. FACT.
    that fucking assistant coach should be banded for life!
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    of course..turkey's reaction was sad..

    however, there are so many pathetic sob racist losers in german speaking countries with turko-phobia...that I even have sympathy with turkey..not that I say the actions were right.

    Right after the incidents there were voices that this was typical turkish mentality and they have no place in europe because of this yadayada..

    These aholes should maybe once look to Marseille, Athens, Rome, Sicily, etc. to see what can happen. Also, apparently you are only allowed to be part of the greater european family, if you come with racist slogans and such stuff.

    sad clowns...

    btw. both Altintops showed a lot of class. They sort of guarded the swiss players out of danger and solved conflicts between the players and were the only players who did interviews after the game. Those twin brothers are real class! Big up to them!

    Alpay on the other hand is probably the most useless piece ever....further he showed the last years, that without Bülent in defense, he ain't nothing.
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    Man uhuolguer u re oferstimating this i mean as fare as i know in the swiss german media there were no racist articles. There was only one magazine wich wrote somthing real stupid but this magzin always writes like this it s like a boulevard magazine and the other swiss mediaas even attackeed them after the article they wrot that it was a bit to much.

    On the other hand there are the turkish medias wich are still telling that the swiss begun with the whole fight. If u ask me the Turkish media takes a big part inthis becoz they were the ones who wrot shit before and after the match .


    By the way it was hugel who kick turkish assistant coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adriano@10
    By the way it was hugel who kick turkish assistant coach.
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    Turkey does have a security problem..Their fans do tend to go from passion sometimes and cross the line into whatever we have seen over the past years.

    The actions that Blatter wants however are NOT the best idea in the world.WHy dont they work with the Turkish FA and do what is done in other stadiums.I think Blatter once again is Blattering without thinking just because it was against his country.

    Do u think that all Inter fans are responsible for the flares in the Euro derby ??
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    Adriano@10, it wasn't just one swiss publication, didn't you read the article I posted from Le Temps?

    Also, I agree that the Turkish media exaggerates a bit. But the difference between Turkish and Swiss media is that the Turkish media sticks to soccer, but the Swiss media tries to jam social and religious reasons.

    Besides, this whole mess started when the Swiss fans booed the Turkish national anthem in the first leg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamed
    Adriano@10, it wasn't just one swiss publication, didn't you read the article I posted from Le Temps?

    Also, I agree that the Turkish media exaggerates a bit. But the difference between Turkish and Swiss media is that the Turkish media sticks to soccer, but the Swiss media tries to jam social and religious reasons.

    Besides, this whole mess started when the Swiss fans booed the Turkish national anthem in the first leg.
    Well u re right there with le temps but uhuholguer reffered to the german speaking medias and le temps is french!! So i also only spoke about the german speaking ones.

    And yeah the turkish media sticks to soccer that s right but as i know they wrot shit and even on tv they only showed swiss fouls and stuff about 10 times.
    And yeah u re right that all this started coz of the swiss fans booing national anthem. But comeon i mean the national hym has alredy bin bood out many times but this reaction????

    I mean i don t blame the turkish fans they did what a lot of fans would do, But it s inaccetable that great players like emre loose controle and fight against other players while they try to go in the cabine. or it just cant be that the security personal attacs a NT while they re going to cabine.

    But anyway to ban turky fore 2010 would not be right coz the player s wich will play then fore turkish nt had nothing to do with this!!
    what i would do i would just ban certain players like emre alpay and volkan. i would ust ban the fore like 24 games this would be hard enough.
    fore sure some of the stuff would have to go to espacialy the coachif u ask me he is the one who is responsible fore all this. Coz he keept on saying bullshit in interviews like that the turkish were treated un fair in Switzerland by the reff and so on wich just wasen t right. By the way i dont know if it s right but thy re saying he had contacts with certain racist grups in turky.
    But we can t forget that it wasen t the whole turkish team who acted like this there were also people like the Altintop brothers who helpt the swiss players to get in to the cabine so it would definetly be wrong to punish the whole turkish nt.

    Yes han it was the huggel who scored against us!!! But right now he s playing somwhere in the Bundesliga i think.
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