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    Inter & AC Milan Plan To Have New Stadium Completed By 2024

    Inter and AC Milan’s new stadium is getting closer and closer and will be completed by 2024 according to a report in today’s print edition of Italian daily newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport.

    Officials from the two clubs met with Milan city council yesterday to hold further talks over the stadium project and the parties came to an agreement over the volume of the project.

    The parties have been brought closer with thanks to this agreement but there are still some bureaucratic steps required before the final go ahead can be given and the Milan city council also need to vote it through.

    The report goes on to add that between July and August, Inter and AC Milan will choose their preferred project of the two still in the running which come from Populous Manica/Cmr Sportium.

    Whilst the stadium will be completed in 2024, it will not be until 2028 when the surrounding entertainment district will be completed in its entirety.
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    Can we have a vote on FIF on whether the Milan city council will vote it through or not?

    My vote will be on NO, No they won’t.

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    Architects bid to halt demolition of San Siro stadium

    Scores of architects have written to the mayor of Milan expressing concern over plans by Populous and rival bidder Manica/Sportium to rebuild the city’s main football stadium

    The London Olympic Stadium designer and the US-Italian consortium both unveiled fresh concepts for the replacement of the 1920s San Siro stadium earlier this month.

    The troubled project to create a new home for European football giants AC Milan and Inter Milan received a further boost when the regional cultural heritage commission declared it did not see a need to preserve the entire existing Giuseppe Meazza Stadium.

    However, a letter to mayor Beppe Sala, signed by 175 architects, writers, historians, professors and others, has called for ongoing use of the existing stadium. It warned current proposals could see ‘fragments of the historical stadium […] reduced to a sort of fake ruin surrounded by greenery’.

    ‘In the 1950s, what remained of one of the oldest and most important churches of Milan, San Giovanni in Conca, had a similar fate: the fake ruin of the apse, in Piazza Missori, should serve as a warning,’ said the letter, signed by PLP associate partner Chiara Occhipinti and University of Bristol historian John Foot, among others from around Europe.

    ‘We would rather avoid the repetition of what happened to the Wembley Stadium in London – another symbolic building barbarously demolished in 2003 and replaced by a much more banal structure [designed by Foster + Partners]. Not to mention the enormous disposal costs of steel and reinforced concrete structures, both in economic and environmental terms.

    ‘We hope that the Meazza will continue to be used as a stadium and that a solution will be found that primarily meets the needs of the city and its inhabitants.’

    The latest bid to retain the existing stadium comes after the city council hit out at previous proposals for excessive scale, focus on commercial activities and the total demolition of the San Siro arena.

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    ‘It is true that the structures of the 1920s and 1930s are incorporated in the later additions and that they are not very visible. However, the fact remains that the extensions of the 1950s and 1980s have made the Meazza a building of undeniable architectural and technological quality.

    ‘It has become one of the recognised monuments of the city, not only by the Milanese but also by Italian and foreign visitors, for many of whom a visit to the San Siro Stadium is as indispensable as those to the Duomo, La Scala and the Castle. After all, the Meazza is a symbol of collective memory: a temple of football, but also home to memorable concerts, now gone down in history.’

    The football clubs said in a joint statement last month: ‘AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milano have submitted to the Municipality of Milan a preparatory document for the feasibility project for the creation of a new world-class stadium and a sports and entertainment district in the San Siro area.

    ‘The new concepts designed by Populous and Manica/Sportium provide for the retention of a part of the current Giuseppe Meazza Stadium within a new retail and sports district that can be used 365 days a year, including about 106,000m² of green space.’

    This retained element would be dedicated to retail, sports, cultural and leisure activities both outdoors and indoors. It will feature a running track, a cycle path, an outdoor gym, a skateboard park, a five-a-side pitch and a sports museum.

    ‘Both concepts would deliver an innovative district dedicated to the next generation, cutting-edge for its low environmental impact and high sustainability, creating a new meeting place for social and recreational activities in the neighbourhood,’ said the clubs.

    ‘AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milano believe it is essential, especially in light of the current moment, to commence a project that represents more than €1 billion (£880 million) of private investment, which will generate thousands of new jobs and serve as a cornerstone for the future development of the city of Milan and Italian football.’

    A new stadium – initially expected to cost about £600 million – was intended to be completed for the start of the 2022-23 season.

    AC Milan have been playing at the San Siro since it was built in 1925 and have shared it with rivals Inter Milan since 1947.

    In the 1950s, the ground had 19 external pedestrian ramps added to it. Then 11 concrete cylindrical towers (designed by Ragazzi and Partners 1987-1990) were installed as part of a major overhaul ahead of Italy’s iconic 1990 World Cup
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    I only read parts of that ‘letter’ posted above but my initial thoughts are that those architects can fuck off.


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    Only in Italy can people argue that a football stadium is a historically significant structure, as if any real history has happened here. It's just a game. Arguing that this stadium deserves similar treatment to that of a duomo, piazza, or colosseum is laughable.

    People are going to come to Milano to watch football matches regardless of what stadium they're in because one of the biggest football clubs in the world plays there, and Milan. Who knows, maybe you'd even convince more people to come to matches if the vendors weren't operating out of fold-out tables.


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    Well, in San Francisco a fucking laundromat was recognized as a historical site to prohibit construction of a new apartment building so Milan seems to be not that unreasonable in comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADRossi View Post
    Only in Italy can people argue that a football stadium is a historically significant structure, as if any real history has happened here. It's just a game. Arguing that this stadium deserves similar treatment to that of a duomo, piazza, or colosseum is laughable.
    In Austria too. The Happel-Stadion. Well, we are famous for the legendary victories from Austrian teams in it.

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    the regional cultural heritage commission, as the article says, has already stated that it's basically not worth preserving, the reason being that very little of the original project is still present.
    "As usual in Italy some decisions are made without sense and logic. The dark side of the football that we tried to clean up returns to light".

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    Imo they are misguided and considering their professional profiles you probably wouldn't be far off in guessing their opposition has more to do with what they see as commercialization of sport and culture and anti-corporate sentiments. I might be wrong about this though.

    What is annoying is that there is not one word from what I read about for example UEFA's requirements or Milan city politics pushing clubs into huge, risky investments or current financial challenges imposed to the clubs by no fault of their own.

    The fact Inter needs a new stadium is a much wider issue than what they are describing in the letter. The fact they've sent the letter to Sala () shows that.

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    https://www.inter.it/en/news/2020/07...9-oTnQ5GuwrpVk

    This is fucking beautiful, exactly 26 rooms for the first team.
    From the first picture and the second one, it looks like they made a total of 54 rooms.











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    Looks cold and soulless

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    Just like most of our players used to be playing? I personally like it, the soul element should come from the players.

    There is a new issue in the path of Inter and AC Milan in their quest for a new stadium, after the architects of the third tier at the San Siro built in 1990 have filed a motion to protect it.

    The report details how architects Enrico Hoffer and Francesco Ragazzi, son of Giancarlo Ragazzi, who died three years ago, have filed a motion to protect the third tier of the San Siro. Ragazzi and Hoffer created it as part of the renovations for the 1990 World Cup. The petition is due to the fact that the third ring is part of the architectural protection of an asset granted through copyright, which applies to works of contemporary architecture as well.

    In other stadiums copyright has been recognized, the report continues, even if in this case it is only for a part of the stadium. The motion was filed in March and so far, a response from the Superintendence and Ministry has not arrived.

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    Just like most of our players used to be playing? I personally like it, the soul element should come from the players.

    There is a new issue in the path of Inter and AC Milan in their quest for a new stadium, after the architects of the third tier at the San Siro built in 1990 have filed a motion to protect it.



    The report details how architects Enrico Hoffer and Francesco Ragazzi, son of Giancarlo Ragazzi, who died three years ago, have filed a motion to protect the third tier of the San Siro. Ragazzi and Hoffer created it as part of the renovations for the 1990 World Cup. The petition is due to the fact that the third ring is part of the architectural protection of an asset granted through copyright, which applies to works of contemporary architecture as well.

    In other stadiums copyright has been recognized, the report continues, even if in this case it is only for a part of the stadium. The motion was filed in March and so far, a response from the Superintendence and Ministry has not arrived.
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    Stadium law passes first hurdle

    The law change that should allow for old stadiums to be restructured has passed its first hurdle and could be ratified on September 14.

    The rule has been nicknamed Sbloccastadi – Stadium unblocker – and will simplify the current rules that make the restructuring of arenas so difficult in Italy.

    Clubs such as Fiorentina, Genoa, Sampdoria, Bologna, Pescara, Crotone, but even potentially San Siro, could have the opportunity to fundamentally restructure and improve existing venues.

    So far, this has been an avenue fraught with legal difficulty due to the rules that currently consider any structure older than 20 years to be one of architectural significance.

    The change has been passed by the Senate and must now be voted through by the House by the September 14 deadline.

    It is a victory for Fiorentina President Rocco Commisso, who has not been shy about his frustration at the antiquated rules that are holding back investment and modernisation in Italian football.

    This new ruling would resolve the Stadio Franchi issues and allow Commisso to invest in revamping the existing arena.

    In theory, the change could also make it easier for clubs to build their own new stadiums, something that has proved practically impossible for Roma, Lazio and more.
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    Sala commented that the council cannot deny the new stadium to be built.

    Basically there are negotiations going on and the council wants a good deal for themselves, obviously. But the words were interesting, he also mentioned that if the teams would go elswehere, the Meazza would be empty with cobwebs and no money to the municipality anymore. So there are kind of interesting relations going on in this one. IMO that sounded like a tiny bit of threat towards some stakeholders in this whole mess, who are maybe stalling the project? Because it's not just Sala/council and Inter/Milan, there are many, many stakeholders in this whole mess.

    Someone who can read Italian could read those comments and confirm or deny.

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    Inter and AC Milan will present their revised new stadium project to the Milan city council between today and Friday according to a report in today’s print edition of Italian daily newspaper Tuttosport.



    The newly revised design will integrate the 16 points that the Milan city council wanted as part of the Nerazzurri and Rossoneri’s joint new stadium project, which will involve a state of the art stadium that will replace San Siro.

    The clubs have had to however revise their plans for the redevelopment of the surrounding area downward as far as estimates for commercial buildings are concerned.

    The report goes on to explain that in the near future the clubs will launch a feasibility project and will then decide on a winner between the two companies bidding to build the new stadium, Populous and the joint bid from Manica-Cmr Sportium.
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    We were meant to announce the winner’ project by the end of the summer

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    NEW SAN SIRO: ADDENDUM TO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND A NEW FINANCIAL PLAN
    A new step forward for Inter and AC Milan in the "New Stadium for Milan" project

    MILAN – Building upon the joint press release with the City of Milan and tireless ongoing work, AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milano filed today an addendum to the feasibility study and a new financial plan for the new San Siro stadium and renewed community hub. The filing fulfils City Board Resolution 1905 of 8 November 2019, which reflected the constructive input of City Council, as expressed in its 28 October 2019 vote.

    The ambitious project envisages the construction of a new state-of-the-art stadium, as well as the repurposing of existing Meazza stadium, which will become the cornerstone of a brand-new Sports and Entertainment District.

    Many of the activities envisaged in the project (including a running track, a cycle track, an open-air gym, a skateboard park, a climbing wall, a zip line, and the sports museum) will be free-of-charge for visitors, citizens, residents, schools, health facilities, and local cultural associations, under affiliation agreements with the City of Milan.

    The updated design scheme honours the most cherished elements of the current Meazza stadium, allowing the beloved site to serve the community for generations to come.

    As agreed with the City, the new proposal envisages a significant reduction in real estate volumes compared to the initial proposal, for a total of 145,000 sqm of SL, equivalent to a building index of 0.51 sqm/sqm.

    The City Board Resolution already affirmed that the proposal presented by AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milano for the development of the San Siro area serves the public interest. The Resolution included a series of additions that the City Council believed would further advance the public interest, and with the submission of today’s addendum, each of these proposed conditions has been satisfied and incorporated into the update project. Today’s filing marks an important step forward. The documentation filed today will be reviewed by the technical offices of the City of Milan, which will then be in a position to issue a new unconditioned declaration of public interest.

    In the months ahead, the Clubs will prepare detailed design drawings, at considerable expense, in preparation for the final stage of approval: the declaration of public utility, in which the Clubs look forward to engaging with the City of Milan, the Lombardy region, and all other stakeholders in support of this exciting project.

    AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milano are honoured to present to Milan and the wider region a project of paramount importance, which has become even more critical amidst a tumultuous year marked by economic and public health crises. The Clubs look forward to moving ahead with this new project in Milan, generating thousands of new jobs, revitalizing the city, and making the most of an extraordinary opportunity for the City of Milan and Italian football.
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    What's the over/under on the project being completed in 2026 (20 years since this thread was started) or 2036 (30 years since this thread was started)?

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    I much prefer the Cathedral design personally. I feel like the rings project with all those screens would look dated more quickly.

    Who knows, maybe by 2035 when humans are walking on Mars and construction begins there will be a new design

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