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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    How can the city council be so obtuse. More money for the clubs means more chance of the two clubs competing well in Europe which means more money for the city. This shit is simple math
    but less in their bank accounts. It is even a simpler math than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    but less in their bank accounts. It is even a simpler math than that.
    Over time the rent they get from the San Siro would not compare to the extra revenue coming into the city from the development planned
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    I dont think juventus are willing to sell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Over time the rent they get from the San Siro would not compare to the extra revenue coming into the city from the development planned
    Dude, you're still not getting it. Stop trying to make sense out of this. It's a whole system you need to learn and understand, it's not "simple math".

    Nobody cares about long term shit. It's all about today and now with these politicians. And unfortunately that's how the public also feels because they keep electing these kind of people, it's not as if they are a special breed. They are part of the people who vote. It's a dream for such country to either become a politican or a 'permanent position' person in the public sector. That's all 95% of the people care about. Those who don't manage to achieve that are just envious of the rest. And then the minority tries to make a living in this crazy bubble.

    So no matter how much benefits this may bring to the council, if it doesn't pay well (directly; money, or indirectly; re-election, promotion) for the people who make the decisions, it's not happening.
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    Council approves Milan’s new stadium, with 16 conditions

    Milan’s city council decides that new stadium is matter of public interest. The mayor: “Now negotiations can begin.” Inter and AC Milan: “We’ll assess the council’s conditions; the Sesto alternative is still an option”

    “Now the real negotiations start.” The city council has ruled that the construction of the new stadium for AC Milan and Inter is a matter of public interest. The mayor Beppe Sala has however laid down two fundamental conditions that will influence negotiations between the two football teams and the council: the regeneration of San Siro and a reduction in size. “I’m happy with the decision, but the project is not acceptable as it stands. The requested stadium size is excessive and unrealistic, and efforts must be made to safeguard the old San Siro facility; at the very least, we must be absolutely sure that there is no possibility of saving it in some way – not just preserving it as a monument, but making it work. Now the real discussions can begin.” The clubs were quick to respond, and said they would evaluate the new conditions, and that in any case they had a Plan B, namely a move to the former Falck industrial site in Sesto San Giovanni.

    Three hours of discussion, then the vote. The council approved the agenda presented by the majority, which gave the go-ahead to proceed with the project as a matter of public interest, but set 16 conditions they deemed “indispensable”. The proposal passed with 27 votes in favour, all of the majority, including the mayor himself. There was no need for help from the opposition. The conditions included a reduction in size, a focus on the stadium as a sports venue rather than a commercial space and – the most delicate aspect – San Siro. The proposal made no reference to conserving the Meazza (San Siro) stadium; in other words, the idea of keeping two stadiums, the old and the new, was not taken into consideration. It was simply said that in the light of opinions expressed by the heritage department and university researchers, “the idea of demolishing the Meazza stadium is considered outdated”, and that “a specific proposal must be presented for the redevelopment of the existing facility”.

    This leaves little room for movement in the talks between the clubs and the council over the coming months. The clubs would never accept the simultaneous existence of the two stadiums, meaning that the issue at stake will be what to save from San Siro and how. Inter’s CEO, Alessandro Antonello, commented: “We will listen to their position and try to assess whether the proposal presented for the stadium, albeit modified, is sustainable in economic-financial terms, as a project of this size must be if it is to go ahead”. Paolo Scaroni, CEO of Milan, while acknowledging the importance of yesterday’s vote, pointed out that there is an alternative to the San Siro area: “We have a plan B, it too based on cooperation with Inter to share planning and costs”.

    They may try to use this as leverage during talks, but this doesn’t worry the mayor. “Everyone should have a plan B in life. These comments don’t worry me; it would be surprising if they didn’t have a fall-back position.” The council itself has an alternative strategy, since it could ask the heritage department and the ministry to assess San Siro’s cultural value. In addition to preventing work on some parts of the stadium, this would take at least four months. And the two clubs have no time to lose. As Inter’s chairman, Steven Zhang, stressed yesterday: “We need this project. Regardless of the conditions, we want to act quickly.” The clubs’ first move will probably be to ask their two firms of architects to assess what what can be saved of San Siro, and how, and to present their proposals to the council.

    The mayor and council now have to take the step of making a formal declaration of public interest. The date has not yet been set. Yesterday’s discussion in the council chamber also saw moments of tension, with both Carlo Monguzzi and Alessandro Giungi from the Democratic Party (PD) voting against. Milly Moratti meanwhile abstained. Basilio Rizzo accused the majority of hypocrisy, of drafting a proposal full of conditions which actually paves the way for the new stadium. “If you don’t want to demolish San Siro and you want to keep the new stadium’s size down, say so, and tell the mayor this is not a matter of public interest,” he commented. “You’re not looking at the full picture,” replied the PD leader in the council, Filippo Barberis. “The proposal strikes a balance between the clubs’ interests and those of the city.”
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    So those two firms wasted their time live streaming their presentation of a shiny new stadium ?!

    What a fuckin joke this is.
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    Mayor: 'Reduced capacity Stadio Meazza'

    “In that sense, a reduced capacity Stadio Meazza would be a good solution. I don’t know if it’s possible, but I ask the clubs to make a serious effort to find a new life for San Siro.”

    "This doesn’t mean Inter and Milan can’t build a whole new stadium, but the existing Stadio Meazza would need to remain in some way or another"
    Summary: You can build a new stadium, but you also have to renovate OUR stadium for further use.

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    I’d be like naw your renovate yours then and we’ll keep all that money we were gonna blow on the surrounding area instead

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    I think from the perspective of the politicians it's possible that constituents wouldn't be too happy about a stadium and a whole area being developed near their homes. It means that they are likely to lose votes because of this project, do I agree with them? No, but that's probably what they're thinking about.
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    The stadium is already near their homes for decades, it's just gonna get demolished and a new one built.
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    The people who live there imho are merely trying to milk the situation. They complain, cause they will probably get something doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed. View Post
    The stadium is already near their homes for decades, it's just gonna get demolished and a new one built.
    And the club already said that the new stadium would be less "noisy".



    Quote Originally Posted by firmino View Post
    The people who live there imho are merely trying to milk the situation. They complain, cause they will probably get something doing so.
    Those idiots would get a gain in value for their properties and a green place to do something instead of a giant parking area.


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    Build it outside san siro

    Atalanta and monza can play in san siro
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    Inter & AC Milan Hold Talks With Private Landowners In Sesto San Giovanni Regarding New Stadium Project

    Inter and AC Milan are refusing to give up the possibility of taking their new stadium project elsewhere in the city according to a report in today’s print edition of Corriere della Sera.

    In the past few days representatives from both clubs met with the owners of the private land in the Sesto San Giovanni area of the city.

    It has not went much further than these discussions but is a sure sign that the former Falck area is a real alternative to building at San Siro and no longer just an area the clubs could use to apply pressure on the city council to get what they want.

    Milan city mayor has recently said further talks are needed with the clubs who wish to build hotels, offices and commercial spaces alongside the new stadium at San Siro but if the clubs were to move to Sesto San Giovanni, they would be able to do what they wish with it being private land rather than council owned land.

    The report also states that political party Lega’s attempts to have San Siro recognised as a UNESCO heritage site has been postponed until the next meeting of the regional council.


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    This is great news!! I wouldn’t even entertain the former site now, move on and forward!

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    Gazzetta reportss the city council has approved the new stadium's project.

    I guess in the coming hours we will get to know if there are any "ifs and buts" to their approval.
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    Milan Mayor Sala: “The Council Have Approved The Public Interest In AC Milan & Inter’s Stadium Proposal”

    Milan city mayor Giuseppe Sala has confirmed that a public interest in Inter and AC Milan’s joint new stadium project has been declared and has revealed one condition of this declaration.

    “On the question of the stadium we have always moved with transparency and consistency. We immediately said that we would have involved the City Council first and, only after having had the opinion of those who represent the citizens, we would have assumed, as mayor and council, the responsibility to decide how to proceed,” a statement from Sala begins, as relayed by Corriere dello Sport.

    “In light of the technical and political progress made so far, the council has today approved the public interest in the AC Milan and Inter stadium proposal, but any other work, such as commercial spaces, offices or hotels, will be allowed only to the extent provided for in the current Plan of Government of the City of Milan Territory.”

    Sala has also discussed what the new stadium means for the future of San Siro, the current home of the two clubs.

    “The construction of a new sports facility has, however, opened the question on the future of San Siro. We reiterate our desire to redefine it and therefore we are ready to evaluate solutions that do not provide for the renunciation of the current plant, but its regeneration through other functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firmino View Post
    Gazzetta reportss the city council has approved the new stadium's project.

    I guess in the coming hours we will get to know if there are any "ifs and buts" to their approval.
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    “In light of the technical and political progress made so far, the council has today approved the public interest in the AC Milan and Inter stadium proposal, but any other work, such as commercial spaces, offices or hotels, will be allowed only to the extent provided for in the current Plan of Government of the City of Milan Territory.”

    Sala has also discussed what the new stadium means for the future of San Siro, the current home of the two clubs.

    “The construction of a new sports facility has, however, opened the question on the future of San Siro. We reiterate our desire to redefine it and therefore we are ready to evaluate solutions that do not provide for the renunciation of the current plant, but its regeneration through other functions.
    It seems like a lot of "Yeeeeah you can do it but only in Milan and you can't develop anything else without our consent and also we'd rather you'd just do up the San Siro".

    This is going to be an absolute battle.
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