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    Trip report - Inter - Milan (23 Dec 07)

    Hi guys,

    I watched the recent Milan Derby at the Giuseppe Meazza. It was an unforgettable experienced that I will treasure for the rest of my life. I went to watch it with my brother and cousins by the way. However, I experienced some ‘inconvenient’ things. I wanna share it with you so you can avoid the same mistake that I did. It’s kinda long and tedious but, trust me, it’s worth the read…


    Pre-match in US
    Now, first of all, the ‘inconvenient’ thing had to do with ticketing. Like some of you here who had been to a match in the Giuseppe Meazza, I approached Ken to get my tickets. Ken is a friend of some members in this forum and he’s helped some of us get tickets to the stadium. I asked him way in advance (months) before the match to get the tickets.

    As per normal procedures, he asked for our names, birthdates and copies of our passports. Just before we travelled to Milano, Ken e-mailed me that he has secured 5 tickets for the match and it’s going to cost us just 80 Euros each for a ticket in the but he didn’t tell me which section it was. We exchanged number and set up a day to meet.


    Pre-match, in Milan
    I touched down on Milano on the 21st of December and I immediately gave Ken a call. Then, he told me that something screwed up and that he couldn’t get the tickets for me. I was shocked and disappointed. Ken told me to go to the Box Office store in the Feltrinelli bookshop to get the tickets. The Box Office store is just another outlet that officially sells Inter/Milan tickets and it costs 160 Euros each (I checked it myself) but when I went there, it was already sold out. The lady at the counter advised me to go to Banca Populare di Milano but, as expected, they sold out too.

    So, I SMS-ed Ken and told him about this problem. I head back to the hotel as soon as possible and asked the concierge to find 3 tickets for me (My 2 cousins suddenly backed out). I stayed in Park Hyatt Milano by the way. The hotel told me that they would find the tickets from the black market and that it’s going to cost me 180 Euros each for a ticket that would normally costs 40 Euros. He also told me that once I made the order, I can’t cancel it. As I was extremely desperate, I bought 3 tickets from them.

    That night, however, Ken called me and said that he has managed to secure 4 tickets from the Box Office store for me. I told him that I already bought the tickets from the hotel. He replied and said that I should have told him first that I am buying the tickets from another source. I answered back by saying that Ken should have told me that he is going to get some tickets for me. Remember, when I first called him as soon as I touched down in Milan, he told me that he couldn’t secure the tickets for me. He replied that he tried to do so but his cell was out of battery. Ken also told me that this is the best ticket available, that I would sit under Moratti and that I would get special access.

    After that, I tried to sell the tickets I got from the hotel and Ken tried to sell the tickets he bought for me too but we couldn’t get any buyer. So, in the end, I decided to help Ken and brought my reluctant cousins and uncle to the game. In total we have 7 tickets; the 3 tickets that I bought from the hotel and the 4 tickets Ken bought for me. So I divided our group to this: me, my brother & 2 of my cousins are going to use the tickets from Ken and my dad & my uncles are going to use the tickets from the hotel.

    On Saturday night, a day before the match, Ken gave me a text message, asking me to be there at the Meazza at 12:00, three hours before the match. He wouldn’t give me the reason when I ask him why did I need to be there so early, but I still comply to his order. Ken also told me that only one person needed to be there early, but I decided to tag one of my cousins along.


    Outside the Meazza
    When we got there, Ken introduced us to a guy called Ivan, who is supposedly the guy who would give us the tickets. Now, Ivan then told us that the 4 guys using the ticket from Ken had to be there as early as possible. This is contradictory from what Ken said when he told me that only one of us needs to be there early. So I called my cousin and my brother and ask them to rush to the stadium. When I said to Ivan & Ken to give me the tickets and me & my group will enter separately, he told us that it is impossible because they have to enter together.

    I started to smell something fishy and I asked Ken & Ivan again about this tickets, seats and special access and they still said “Don’t worry” etc etc. By the way, as I was waiting for my group to arrive, I met Erik and his friend. We took some pictures together. As soon as my group arrived, I informed Ken & Ivan but they told me that we are waiting for another group and that we have to enter together. As soon as this group arrived, we proceeded to enter the stadium and that is where the con occurs…

    Ivan told me to give him the payment and then went on his separate ways and said that he had to collect the tickets. Stupid and excited that I was, I gave him the money. As soon as he arrived, it turned out exactly how I feared it would be: We would be entering the gates using season tickets. Ivan had some connection and we were able to cut the queue and use season tickets to enter the stadium, even though those season tickets did not belong to us. We never got to hold the season tickets as Ivan stood by the turnstiles and used them one by one to let us in. As soon as we climbed the stairs, he told us to wait and he went to some section. We lost Ken during our way up by the way.


    The con
    Then, once he came out, he conveniently told us to go to the Orange 2nd section and he gave us some direction. I told him that that’s bullshit because I’ve never been to the Giuseppe Meazza and that it’s such a huge stadium so I wouldn’t be able to find my way. He told me that he couldn’t escort us because he had to do some choreography stuff. He said that if we wanted him to escort us, he could only bring us to the Curva Nord. I rejected that offer as I know how hostile the Curva Nord could be and my brother & cousins were neutral so they would not sing or cheer for Inter.

    So we went our separate ways and tried to reach this 2nd Orange section using the direction Ivan gave us but on the way, we were blocked by a gate and the steward refused to let us in unless we showed them our tickets. I was desperate then. I felt so mad & sad because an Interista had conned us and cheated us of our 640 Euros! But I wanted to watch the match so bad so I brought my cousins & brother to the Curva Nord.

    The Curva Nord, as expected, was a bloody mess. Seat numbers do not matter there and people just stood wherever the f*ck they want. We tried to squeeze in but we couldn’t get a good spot and we can sense that some of them were p!ssed as we were blocking their view. So we got out again, and this time, we saw some group talking to the steward blocking one of the gates. It was the gate west of the Curva Nord. After some talking, the steward opened the gate and all of us rushed in.

    In the end, we managed to find a spot to stand. It was not some seats but it was in between the last seat of the section and a railing. Here's a picture so you can get a good idea of where we were located. We were fortunate that the Interisti who sat in the official seats in front of us did not mind the four of us who were standing behind them. The steward was kind too in letting us stood there unofficially. He could have easily chased us out and we wouldn’t be able to watch the game.


    Post-match
    So, in the end, the conclusion and morale of the story actually depends on you. Do you believe in me or Ken/Ivan? Was Ivan really telling the truth when he gave us the directions? Maybe it was just my fault that I couldn’t find my super-duper-best-seats-in-the-whole-stadium. Maybe it was just my fault that I couldn’t sit below Moratti and got all the special access that Ken & Ivan promised me.

    Speaking of Ken by the way, he seemed to be a good guy and it remains unknown to me whether he conned us or whether Ken was also cheated by Ivan. But one thing remains clear to me. Plan your trip ahead in time, preferably one or two months in advance. If you are staying at a decent hotel, ask their concierge to get the tickets for you. They should be able to find some if you ask them early and even if your concierge is unable to do so, you should buy from official sources like Banca Populare di Milano or the Box Office or through the Internet.

    In the end, even though it was one of the most memorable experiences in my life, it was marred by this incident. I was cheated of my money, but at least I enjoyed a Derby win on my first visit to Europe and I have learnt my lesson. In your trips there, I hope you guys have the same luck that I have but avoid my mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handoyo View Post

    Ivan told me to give him the payment and then went on his separate ways and said that he had to collect the tickets. Stupid and excited that I was, I gave him the money. As soon as he arrived.
    You had business with fair thief, they wanted your money but they also gave their best to help you. But how could you fall on such a story? Best seats, close to Moratti

    I think you should be lucky because that guy came back after you gave him the money and entered you and your friends on stadium.

    My conclusion on this:

    You live in a fair country and honest world so I must tell you that you're naive, especially for parts of Europe called Mediterran and Balkan. I am 100% sure that you gave that money some thief here in Balkan, that you would never see that guy again in your life. But you will learn, I am sorry because that shit happened to you and be smarter next time.
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    Can you like summarize the basic points for me, this is a long read.

    EDIT. okay, now that I have read the whole thing.


    Han you should have known. Firstly he told you you would be sitting very close to Moratti, then as soon as you enter the stadium, he tells you to find the orange 2nd section, and that to with out a ticket, you should have realised at the moment, that there was no way that you would be sitting close to Moratti. If it was so easy to sit close to Moratti, every one who entered the stadium would be making their way over there.

    Also this Ken guy doesnt seem right. Why had he told you he had secured 5 tickets, and then later tells you then he doesnt have any tickets? ( I am probably betting he sold them on black market).

    You have got to stop being a nice guy Han. You should have not bought the tickets from Ken, when you already had 3 tickets yourself. Who the fack cares about cutting his losses. You were never obliged to buy his tickets. Also seems like he lied to you that he bought the tickets from the so called place 'box office', since his friend had someone elses season tickets to let you in. It seemed like Ken didnt have any losses to cut, he was just making his profit along with this guy Ivan.

    Also can you explain you experience in the Curva, a little but more? If everyone was standing, they would all be blocking each other's view, why were they pissed at you?
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    Sad story Handoyo. At least you got in. There weren't any problems with the tickets the hotel got you?? Only with the tickets Ivan/Ken got you?
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    Hehe. Pardon my 'proudness' but I'm far from naive. The only reason why I bought from Ken in the first place was because Erik & Katie recommended him to me. Also, like I said, my judgment was clouded by my anxiety and excitement of watching the Derby. And speaking of money thefts and cunningness like that, bro, I'm a Chinese. Enough said.

    Anyways, just have a clear head and don't get too excited that you'll take whatever they throw at you. I was like a fish who haven't eaten for decades and I saw this worm swimming around in the sea, overlooking the obvious fisherman string attached to it.

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    Sad story Handoyo. At least you got in. There weren't any problems with the tickets the hotel got you?? Only with the tickets Ivan/Ken got you?
    None whatsoever. They even got to sit. (As in, you don't have to fight for those reserved seats). What I mean is, in Italy, reserved seats means nada. I traveled from Milan to Venice using train and we booked so all 13 of us can sit together but the Italians just sit wherever the fark they want.

    Quote Originally Posted by shahz_nerazzurri View Post
    Also can you explain you experience in the Curva, a little but more? If everyone was standing, they would all be blocking each other's view, why were they pissed at you?
    Yeah well, it was already at 110% full capacity before we got there and we just made the situation worse. Also, it might have to do with the fact that none of us were wearing the Inter jersey/scarf or that we were Asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handoyo View Post
    Hehe. Pardon my 'proudness' but I'm far from naive. The only reason why I bought from Ken in the first place was because Erik & Katie recommended him to me. Also, like I said, my judgment was clouded by my anxiety and excitement of watching the Derby. And speaking of money thefts and cunningness like that, bro, I'm a Chinese. Enough said.

    Anyways, just have a clear head and don't get too excited that you'll take whatever they throw at you. I was like a fish who haven't eaten for decades and I saw this worm swimming around in the sea, overlooking the obvious fisherman string attached to it.


    None whatsoever. They even got to sit. (As in, you don't have to fight for those reserved seats). What I mean is, in Italy, reserved seats means nada. I traveled from Milan to Venice using train and we booked so all 13 of us can sit together but the Italians just sit wherever the fark they want.


    Yeah well, it was already at 110% full capacity before we got there and we just made the situation worse. Also, it might have to do with the fact that none of us were wearing the Inter jersey/scarf or that we were Asians.
    That's interesting on the trains and stadium seats. When I was in Italy we didn't have those issues but we got to the stadium something like four hours before the game started. Sat in the second tier red section when I was there. Also didn't have issues on the trains but then it was only me and my dad so maybe we just got lucky.
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    LOL bro, you know you got conned, when this was the"choreography" stuff he had to do..
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    Han, thank you for your time writing this long story.

    It will be helpful though. For people who's never been to the stadium before, barely speaks Italian (if not at all ), & most importantly, is well-known as naive (like Shahz said - coz that would be me).

    I can't imagine if I'm saving money all my life, finally able to get there, but not able to watch the game & got my money conned. Hhmm...

    So this is an important message and thanks or sharing.
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    man i couldnt find the National Lampoons European Vacation(Trevi Fountain part where the sly Italian runs off with Griswalds camera)

    so im putting this in..................

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsM0CwqGrBs

    it will be a great memory one day Han..
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    Please remove the names of Ken, Ivan and ICL please.

    Also, seats under Moratti?

    The Curva Nord is not a mess, the curva nord is what it is.
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    han LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabio View Post
    Please remove the names of Ken, Ivan and ICL please.

    Also, seats under Moratti?

    The Curva Nord is not a mess, the curva nord is what it is.
    Agreed on that, all of it

    Plus the derby is always massively oversold It's quite normal to stand on the stairs, or even on the wall that splits the tiers.
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    It's perfectly normal to stand up the whole game when you're in curva nord, that's not a mess that's just other way to watch a game and I must admit that is the best way to watch any sport.

    You can consider yourself lucky because you had privilege to watch game with a loudest Inter fans, I just fell sorry for your cousins.

    And Katie&Fabio, why he needs to remove names. It's good to know what they doing and if man fells coned that means they are thiefs.
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    By the way, I'm not saying that you should absolutely not buy from Ken. The others had no problem with him and I was the first & only one. Maybe I was just unlucky or stupid, but I just thought I'd share it with you so you can perhaps avoid the same mistake that I made.

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    640 euros for the tickets ya madman!!! If ya couldnt get the tickets legit then ya should just do your own thing. I went to the Olimpico for the Rome Derby ticketless cos the plan all along was to have a few cans outside the stadium and blag one off a tout. The tickets cost us €50 each which wasnt too bad and it was for the Curva Nord. I dont like being in the quieter parts of the stadium, Curvas are cheaper and the best place to be in the stadium.
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