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    Why was it like that?

    Let's go back to the 98/99 season. In the last day of the Serie A we played against Bologna at San Siro. We won 3-1 and we were eight in the final stand. These are the standings:

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    +MILAN            70  34 20 10  4 59 34  17 13  3  1 35 17  17  7  7  3 24 17
     Lazio            69  34 20  9  5 65 31  17 12  4  1 41 14  17  8  5  4 24 17
     Fiorentina       56  34 16  8 10 55 41  17 13  4  0 36 10  17  3  4 10 19 31
     Parma            55  34 15 10  9 55 36  17  9  6  2 27 13  17  6  4  7 28 23
     Roma             54  34 15  9 10 69 49  17 13  3  1 43 16  17  2  6  9 26 33
     Juventus         54  34 15  9 10 42 36  17 10  4  3 25 16  17  5  5  7 17 20
     Udinese          54  34 16  6 12 52 52  17  9  4  4 25 20  17  7  2  8 27 32
     Inter            46  34 13  7 14 59 54  17 10  3  4 43 24  17  3  4 10 16 30
     Bologna          44  34 11 11 12 44 47  17  8  5  4 31 20  17  3  6  8 13 27
     Bari             42  34  9 15 10 39 44  17  6  8  3 17 15  17  3  7  7 22 29
     Venezia          42  34 11  9 14 38 45  17  9  5  3 23 14  17  2  4 11 15 31
     Cagliari         41  34 11  8 15 49 50  17  9  5  3 33 19  17  2  3 12 16 31
     Piacenza         41  34 11  8 15 48 49  17  9  5  3 34 20  17  2  3 12 14 29
     Perugia          39  34 11  6 17 43 61  17 10  3  4 30 21  17  1  3 13 13 40
    -Salernitana      38  34 10  8 16 37 51  17  9  4  4 26 16  17  1  4 12 11 35
    -Sampdoria        37  34  9 10 15 38 55  17  8  6  3 25 16  17  1  4 12 13 39
    -Vicenza          33  34  8  9 17 27 47  17  7  4  6 18 20  17  1  5 11  9 27
    -Empoli*          20  34  4 10 20 26 63  17  4  5  8 17 25  17  0  5 12  9 38
    So we were 2 points ahead of Bologna. Being eight shouldn't have let us play in UEFA Cup. However, we were given a chance to play in spareggio UEFA against Bologna. The same with Juventus, who were supposed to play against Udinese. Both Inter and Juve lost in aggregate. Bologna & Udine in UEFA Cup, Juve in Intertoto, Inter with nothing. But how the hell were we able to participate in play-offs, despite having 46 points and Bologna 44??? And Juventus, why the 6 team in the table went into Intertoto, and Bologna, the 9 team, went to UEFA Cup??

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    the only thing i remebered was bologna beat us in the uefa cup Playoffs. losing 4-2 on aggregate. Losing the chance to compete in europe is nothing compared to the hiring of lippi in 99/00. which imo one of the worsts seasons ever during my time as an inter fan.

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    I don't know if this has anything to do with this situation, but the Intertoto spot can be turned down by teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intermilansg
    the only thing i remebered was bologna beat us in the uefa cup Playoffs. losing 4-2 on aggregate. Losing the chance to compete in europe is nothing compared to the hiring of lippi in 99/00. which imo one of the worsts seasons ever during my time as an inter fan.
    That's right, but the question is- why were we able to play in these play-offs? We were eight, and as I know, only the 5th and 6th team qualifies to UEFA Cup. But that's not all- we didn't have an exact amount of points as Bologna. Why play-offs then?
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    This really beats me.

    Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina and Parma were in the CL.

    Roma, Juve and Udinese were all at 54 points. In a situation like that, they considered the direct encounters between the 3 teams, and I guess Roma was leading that mini-table. Therefore Juve and Udinese went to the spareggio, while Roma was in the Uefa cup.

    That should have been it, since there are 2 more Uefa Cup spots for the 2 teams playing the Intertoto (if they win it).

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    My guess is that it had to do with the Italian Cup. 98/99 was the last season where Cup's Winners Cup was played. After that, it was 'abandoned'. I don't know what does this gotta do with Inter though. It's just a wild guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart
    That's right, but the question is- why were we able to play in these play-offs? We were eight, and as I know, only the 5th and 6th team qualifies to UEFA Cup. But that's not all- we didn't have an exact amount of points as Bologna. Why play-offs then?
    i think i know what happened in 1999, parma and fiorentina finished in the top 4 yet they both compete in the coppa italia which the winner will go into the uefa cup ( Parma won). Parma was also the uefa cup holder at the same time. At that time lazio also won the CWC which was in the final edition. So italy had to send in 4 teams meaning the 5th - 8th position were open.

    ahh glorious days in italian football.

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    Ooohhh the Cup's Winners Cup was still there! Gosh it seems ages since it was abandoned! That explains it then
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    But it does not explain the fact that we had to battle in the play-offs despite being 2 points ahead of Bologna. And ninth placed Bologna in UEFA Cup whereas sixth placed Juventus in Intertoto..? That's a mystery for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart
    But it does not explain the fact that we had to battle in the play-offs despite being 2 points ahead of Bologna. And ninth placed Bologna in UEFA Cup whereas sixth placed Juventus in Intertoto..? That's a mystery for me
    i dont really remember about bologna, maybe they got the uefa fairplay award? Anyway 1999 was a crazy year. We changed coaches like we change underwears.

    Btw after the loss to bologna we had the chance to enter the intertoto but lippi turned it down saying that the team need to prepare for the incoming season

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    Bart, this is what happened for the season 1998/1999.

    In that season, 5th placed Roma was entered directly into the UEFA Cup for the following season (1999/2000).

    6th placed Juventus and 7th placed Udinese had to battle for a UEFA Cup playoff spot. Eventually, Udinese won this tie on the away goals rule, and this allowed them to enter into the UEFA Cup.

    As the finalists for the Coppa Italia for that season, Parma and Fiorentina were already inside the Champions League, this meant that the Coppa Italia's winner's spot going to the UEFA Cup was vacant. Therefore, the losing semi-finalists, Inter and Bologna had to play-off for the right to enter the UEFA Cup for 1999/2000 as the representative of the 'winner' of the UEFA Cup. Unfortunately, Bologna won this play-off.

    Inter were allowed to enter the UEFA Cup via the Intertoto, but Lippi declined the invitation, choosing instead to focus his attentions directly toward Inter's championship campaign.

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    How simple it was Now I can go sleep without thinkink about these play-offs all the time Thanks a lot!
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    Tim probably got that off a website or something....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaidriano
    Tim probably got that off a website or something....
    I looked on the web for ages and I couldn't find squat...

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