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    Champions League 2009/2010

    I think it's time to start a new thread for this tournament since the format will be different this year.

    Group Stage:
    Man. United
    Liverpool
    Chelsea
    Barcelona
    Real Madrid
    Sevilla
    Internazionale
    Juventus
    Milan
    Bordeaux
    Marseille
    Wolfsburg
    Bayern Munchen
    Rubin Kazan
    CSKA Moscow
    Unirea Urziceni
    Porto
    AZ Alkmaar
    Rangers
    Besiktas
    Dynamo Kyiv
    Standard Liege

    Play-off Round
    There will be two Play-off Rounds one for the champions of respective national championships and another one for the best placed teams. There are only 5 best placed teams already in this round:
    Arsenal
    Atletico Madrid
    Fiorentina
    Lyon
    Stuttgart

    Third Qualifying Round
    There are already 3 teams in the round for champions:
    Olympiacos
    Slavia Prague
    Zurich

    The following are the teams in the round for the best placed teams:
    Dynamo Moscow
    Dinamo Bucaresti
    Sporting CP
    Twente
    Celtic
    Sivasspor
    Shakhtar Donetsk
    Anderlecht
    Panathinaikos
    Sparta Prague

    Second Qualifying Round:
    Levski Sofia
    Stabek
    Copenhagen
    Red Bull Salzburg
    Partizan
    Maccabi Haifa
    Kalmar FF
    Slovan Bratislava
    Wisla Krakow
    Debrecen
    Dinamo Zagreb
    APOEL
    Maribor
    Inter Turku
    Ventsplis
    Zrinjski
    Ekranas
    Sheriff Tiraspol
    Bohemians
    Makedonija
    FH Hafnarfjordur
    WIT Georgia
    BATE
    Levadia
    Baku
    Tirana
    Pyunik
    Aktobe
    Glentoran
    Rhyl
    EB/Streymur
    Dudelange

    First Qualifying Round:
    Hibernians
    Sant Julia
    Mogren
    Tre Flori

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    So, who does Fiorentina have a possibility of facing? Its nice to see the grande tre of Italy back in the Champions.

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    Dynamo Moscow, Dinamo Bucaresti, Sporting CP, Twente, Celtic, Sivasspor, Shakhtar Donetsk, Anderlecht, Panathinaikos & Sparta Prague will be drawn against each other and then the winners will be drawn against Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Fiorentina, Lyon & Stuttgart for 5 places in the Group Stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa View Post
    Dynamo Moscow, Dinamo Bucaresti, Sporting CP, Twente, Celtic, Sivasspor, Shakhtar Donetsk, Anderlecht, Panathinaikos & Sparta Prague will be drawn against each other and then the winners will be drawn against Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Fiorentina, Lyon & Stuttgart for 5 places in the Group Stage.
    Actually it can go other way. For example Fiorentina has so few coefficiency points that it can go to "unseeded pot" in the 4th qualifying round (non-Champions category). So they can be drawn against Arsenal, Lyon etc. It depends on who win in the 3rd qualifying round (in non-Champions category).

    Here's the precise chart for qualifications.

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2009.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeCordoba View Post
    Actually it can go other way. For example Fiorentina has so few coefficiency points that it can go to "unseeded pot" in the 4th qualifying round (non-Champions category). So they can be drawn against Arsenal, Lyon etc. It depends on who win in the 3rd qualifying round (in non-Champions category).

    Here's the precise chart for qualifications.

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2009.html
    That makes more sense. Just forgot about the coefficients However, it's unlikely that ant of teams from the 3rd Qualifying Round will have coefficients higher than 5 teams already in the Play-off Round.

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    Damn! We are in the second tier now....
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    Wow it is amazing to see these teams ahead of us... :x

    7 Sevilla
    8 Bayern München
    9 Werder Bremen
    10 Olympique Lyon

    Check out Real Madrid in Pot 2 below us...what is the world coming to???!

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    Well mate, Inter and Real have been doing terribly in Europe as of late so, we can't really be surprised.

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    Ok, here is Inter's last 5 years in Europe...all of which in CL:

    Quarterfinals
    Quarterfinals
    First Knockout Round
    First Knockout Round
    First Knockout Round


    Is anyone else pissed that Sevilla gets POT A just because they were successfull for 2 years in UEFA CUP?

    This is a weird system, it should be based on your results in CL, not both competitions, unless you have won UEFA cup 5 years in a row lol.

    I don't know, I may be the only one on this one, but I think it is ridiculous that Sevilla gets to be Pot A, hopefully that is the team we get drawn against...

    Besides those 2 years, look how dismal they were in Europe...

    Round of 16 (UEFA Cup)
    Champion (UEFA Cup)
    Champion (UEFA Cup)
    First Knockout Round
    Group Stage (UEFA Cup)


    We would have been better off, losing in the group stage for the last 3 years...at least then we would have won at least 1 UEFA cup, maybe 2 or 3, and would be in Pot A for next year lol

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    If it were just CL, normal CL teams would get automatically good points every season. Now Inter gets punished because it's so poor in the CL and rightfully so. Some change of air is only right so that clubs can understand to develop themselves. Sevilla has collected huge points in UEFA Cup, and Werder has done that also but it's only a good thing. That way UEFA Cup is a useful competition in some way and those clubs being best there gets some benefit of being best there.

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    Guys its just the list of the teams who will participate in the Champions League. It's not pots yet. The pots will be decided once all teams have qualified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa View Post
    Guys its just the list of the teams who will participate in the Champions League. It's not pots yet. The pots will be decided once all teams have qualified.
    Yeah but we can see that Arsenal is the only club in the pot 1 who will participate in qualifications, all the other clubs will be there for sure (group stage part in the end of the page I pasted).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeCordoba View Post
    Yeah but we can see that Arsenal is the only club in the pot 1 who will participate in qualifications, all the other clubs will be there for sure (group stage part in the end of the page I pasted).
    As they say "we will have to play strong team sooner or later" But considering that during the past 2 seasons Inter didn't go through the Round of 16 I'm not surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeCordoba View Post
    Yeah but we can see that Arsenal is the only club in the pot 1 who will participate in qualifications, all the other clubs will be there for sure (group stage part in the end of the page I pasted).
    and even if Arsenal fails, Lyon is still ahead of us. Unless Lyon failed to qualify too but what is the chance of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeCordoba View Post
    If it were just CL, normal CL teams would get automatically good points every season. Now Inter gets punished because it's so poor in the CL and rightfully so. Some change of air is only right so that clubs can understand to develop themselves. Sevilla has collected huge points in UEFA Cup, and Werder has done that also but it's only a good thing. That way UEFA Cup is a useful competition in some way and those clubs being best there gets some benefit of being best there.
    Ya but it is not that useful, look how bad Sevilla has been in Europe the last 2 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitomins View Post
    Ya but it is not that useful, look how bad Sevilla has been in Europe the last 2 years...
    But they won UEFA Cup twice during the past years.
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    Big deal, last year they didn't even make it out of the Group Stage of UEFA Cup. I am not saying we deserve to be Pot 1, because we don't but neither does Sevilla, they have done nothing in CL and their success in the UEFA Cup should be a minor boost, not enough to propel them in Pot 1. Especially with their performances the last 2 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitomins View Post
    Big deal, last year they didn't even make it out of the Group Stage of UEFA Cup. I am not saying we deserve to be Pot 1, because we don't but neither does Sevilla, they have done nothing in CL and their success in the UEFA Cup should be a minor boost, not enough to propel them in Pot 1. Especially with their performances the last 2 years...
    Is it for sure they will be in Pot 1? Maybe we still have to wait till UEFA confirms it.
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    It is not for sure, but they are ranked higher than us, which I do not think is right...as I said before, we would have been better off losing in the Group Stage, then we would have went down to UEFA Cup and would have had a good shot at winning it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitomins View Post
    It is not for sure, but they are ranked higher than us, which I do not think is right...as I said before, we would have been better off losing in the Group Stage, then we would have went down to UEFA Cup and would have had a good shot at winning it...
    Yeah. The rules are same for everybody. Inter could have done that but it didn't. Wonder why?

    The situation with the points will balance when Sevilla fucks up enough in CL. Just like Inter have done.

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