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    Talented players who failed

    And R. Carlos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas_inter View Post
    Fucking up talent at Inter.

    Good player --------> Goes to Inter ---------> Bad player.

    Not

    Good player ---------> Goes to Inter --------> Bad player -------> leaves --------> good player again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Melo_4 View Post
    Cannavaro.
    in that case it was not Inter's fault again. fabio didn't get his dope, also he wanted to join gobbi bastardi in the last season and played badly to lower his price. the guy disgusts me more than moggi, tbh.
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    [QUOTE=Hasan;434390]Same story in my house and I will agree with that too:

    Farinos was most talented midlefieler in Spain and where is he now?
    Dalmat was most talented midlefieler in France and where is he now?
    Emre was most talented midlefieler in Turky and where is he now?
    Van der Meyde was most talented winger in Holand.....?
    Quresma ..............?
    Than they starting with selling flops from our president:

    Please don't mention this names again cause they make me remember other players such as: gresko , carini , coco , okan , vampeta , sorondo ........etc
    I think we all agree that in these times inter's transfers were horrible but since mancini came and branca-oriali gained experience such errors have not been done and we have started to make excellent moves such as cambiasso , maicon , maxwell , jc , ibra , samuel , chivu etc and the flops have been really few.
    Also we must mention that in the last years the club has been able to strengthen the youth sector as well as the first team. I think they have done a great job. Flops like quaresma are present in every team ( see poulsen , oliveira , menez)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
    Emre failed at newcastle as well.
    Dalmat was doing fine as a winger till he got it into his head that he is a number 10. He hasn't done shit since.
    Van der Meyde failed at everton
    Davids failed at spurs after inter.
    Pirlo . Lippi and Tardelli who knew him fucked up. He played in a different position.
    Seedorf was inconsistent at both inter and real.
    Bergkamp couldn't handle the Italian culture. This happens, the environment didn't suit him nothing to do with inter.
    Farinos is hardly the only spanish player to fail in Italy. He hasn't done a thing since leaving inter either.
    All of them were expencive and we won't pay much for someone without quality and talent.

    All of them went almost for free, so we ruined him. Cllear economy.

    Italian culture and our coaches done that, I doubt that Samir Nasri will fail in Arsenal and he's very similar to Dalmat. Modrić is similar to Emre and he plays good too. Van der Meyde and Babel are pretty close and etc.

    We had tendency to ruin talented players, that changed with Fachetti and that coming back with Moratti again (Quaresma). I really hope that I am wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    All of them were expencive and we won't pay much for someone without quality and talent.

    All of them went almost for free, so we ruined him. Cllear economy.

    Italian culture and our coaches done that, I doubt that Samir Nasri will fail in Arsenal and he's very similar to Dalmat. Modrić is similar to Emre and he plays good too. Van der Meyde and Babel are pretty close and etc.

    We had tendency to ruin talented players, that changed with Fachetti and that coming back with Moratti again (Quaresma). I really hope that I am wrong.
    Right its all inter's fault and the player has no blame in that. Zanetti did fine these others were just weak. 99% of them haven't done a thing since inter which should they are very weak. If you are a good player you won't get ruined by one bad experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    We had tendency to ruin talented players, that changed with Fachetti and that coming back with Moratti again (Quaresma). I really hope that I am wrong.
    What Moratti has to do with it, and what players are you talking about I'm curious ?
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    Well Hasan has a very valid point, actually. Facchetti passed away on the summer of 2006.

    Summer of 2007
    D.Suazo, Rivas, Maniche, Chivu

    Summer of 2008
    Mancini, Muntari, Quaresma

    Out of those 7 players mentioned, 5 flopped and while Chivu & Muntari can't exactly be considered as blunder, they didn't set the world on fire either.

    I'd like to encourage that we don't take extreme stance on these things and be too defensive. I don't think Inter did a bad job but the standard has certainly decreased in the past 2 seasons. Let's hope T.Motta, D.Milito, Lucio & Eto'o got us back on track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
    Right its all inter's fault and the player has no blame in that.
    R.Carlos was bad for Inter and than he become the best left-back in the world playin for Real Madrid.
    Bergkamp was bad for Inter and than he become Arsenal legend.
    Seedorf was bad for Inter and than he become Milan legend.
    Pirlo wasn't good enough but that he become the best playmaker in the world.

    Emre, Dalmat, Farinos, VdM were all huge talents but thier careers are ruined on Moratti's cemetery. Something is wrong in club when Moratti is in charge.

    For Luka:

    Than came Fachetti and brought:

    J.Cesar, Maicon, Samuel, Maxwell, Cambiasso, Vieira, Figo, Ibrahimović etc. All of them where crucial players in our success.

    After Fachetti we have:

    Quote Originally Posted by Handoyo View Post
    Summer of 2007
    D.Suazo, Rivas, Maniche, Chivu

    Summer of 2008
    Mancini, Muntari, Quaresma

    Out of those 7 players mentioned, 5 flopped and while Chivu & Muntari can't exactly be considered as blunder, they didn't set the world on fire either.

    I'd like to encourage that we don't take extreme stance on these things and be too defensive. I don't think Inter did a bad job but the standard has certainly decreased in the past 2 seasons. Let's hope T.Motta, D.Milito, Lucio & Eto'o got us back on track.

    I my eyes Moratti isn't strong enough to be the boss. I adore to his love for Inter. He is a huge fun but he should give money and move from desk.

    Last moves confirming that:

    1. To buy Motta when you have Muntari, J.Zanetti, Cambiasso, Stanković and Vieira for that places are stupid move. Plus Chivu can play there if needs because we have enough defenders.

    2. To buy Milito when you aren't sure how your attack will look in next season. Milito is very good player but I am 100% sure that Eto'o and Cassano are more compatible together from Eto'o-Milito.

    3. To accept Ibra-Eto'o exchange when you already have Diego Milito was very dumb. He should wait that Barca sell Eto'o to Manchester City or United and than sell Ibra for money. Again Milito-Cassano is much better from Milito-Eto'o.

    So this transfer window should make a team from us, I hope that will be the case but... Fukcing no 10 is needed for last five years, just like LB was needed when we sold R.Carlos.

    That Fachetti is a live he would find some good, fresh player but with Moratti we will buy new Suazo, Mancini, Quaresma etc.
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    You guys are making this very simplistic, which is not. How about this:

    When Recoba was at the club, we had a good deals, since he left we didn't. How about this ?
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    lol sorry for editing 10 million times...here is my final post:


    weren't Burdisso, Ze Maria, Mihajlovic, Solari, Pizarro, Cesar all Facchetti guys??

    Also Facchetti may have been in charge when we signed J.Cesar, Maicon, Samuel, Maxwell, Cambiasso, Vieira, Figo, Ibrahimović...but they all played under Moratti. Why didn't these players ruin their careers like Emre, Dalmat, Farinos, VdM?

    Bergkamp played at Inter under Pellegrini...

    Although he had failures, Moratti did bring us: Zanetti, Zamorano, Djorkaeff, Winter, Ronaldo, Cauet, Recoba, Simeone, Baggio, Di Biagio, Vieri, Simic, Cordoba, Materazzi, Toldo, Adriano, Crespo, Martins, and Cruz...

    I am not defending Moratti or bashing Facchetti, I am just trying to point out that both President's have had their successes and failures...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luka View Post
    When Recoba was at the club, we had a good deals, since he left we didn't. How about this ?
    Why is so hard to understand that president Fachetti was crucial in some very very good transfers? Why is also so hard to understand that he has made more great transfers in three years from Moratti in ten years.



    Quote Originally Posted by vitomins View Post
    Although he had failures, Moratti did bring us: Cauet, Recoba, Di Biagio, Simic, Adriano, Martins, and Cruz...
    And we should be grateful?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    And we should be grateful?

    Ok maybe scrap Simic out of that list, but the rest have put in over 100 appearances for us, so I think we should be pretty grateful for that.


    You failed to comment on my thoughts of the shitty signings by Facchetti, what is your opinion on that subject?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    Why is so hard to understand that president Fachetti was crucial in some very very good transfers? Why is also so hard to understand that he has made more great transfers in three years from Moratti in ten years.
    How do you know with which transfers he was involved more, and with which he was involved less ?

    Maybe Giacinto was involved with all the bad transfers, not with good ones. I'm not sure, but it seems to me you are. (??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luka View Post
    How do you know with which transfers he was involved more, and with which he was involved less ?

    Maybe Giacinto was involved with all the bad transfers, not with good ones. I'm not sure, but it seems to me you are. (??)

    Ya, in order to really do this, we would have to consider all transfer were up to the President and in that case the ratio of bad/good transfers would be almost equal between the two Presidents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan View Post
    R.Carlos was bad for Inter and than he become the best left-back in the world playin for Real Madrid.
    Bergkamp was bad for Inter and than he become Arsenal legend.
    Seedorf was bad for Inter and than he become Milan legend.
    Pirlo wasn't good enough but that he become the best playmaker in the world.

    Emre, Dalmat, Farinos, VdM were all huge talents but thier careers are ruined on Moratti's cemetery. Something is wrong in club when Moratti is in charge.
    R.Carlos was good as lw at inter but he wanted to play at lb and inter felt he was better as a lw. That's why he left. The club would have liked to keep him.

    Bergkamp had nothing to do with inter. He couldn't come to grips with the italian culture. He would have failed anywhere in Italy.
    Seedorf was inconsistent at madrid as well. He has also had his up and down campaigns at milan.
    Pirlo was played in a different position where he was poor. He still sucks as a amc and can only play as a deep playmaker.

    If those talents were so great they would have succeeded at another club but yet none of them have done a thing.
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    I think you guys are all missing something. having moratti or fachetti doesn't really change anything. They are not transf.market agents nor are they coaches. They don't have the ability to determine if a player is or isn't the right player for the squad. They have the same ability that all we have and give their opinions ( which are far more important than ours) but still each club has a staff that is payed to do this job. They are the ones that propose transfer moves along with the menager and than the president has to decide if it's convinient in a financial purpose. You can exlude from this point only players like recoba that was moratti's favorite but the others are transfers decided by the staff and the president just decides to give or not to give the money ( today's berlusconi's action is the example of what i said the project for a striker was already made he just had to decide for the money).

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    Quote Originally Posted by junior55 View Post
    I think you guys are all missing something. having moratti or fachetti doesn't really change anything. They are not transf.market agents nor are they coaches. They don't have the ability to determine if a player is or isn't the right player for the squad. They have the same ability that all we have and give their opinions ( which are far more important than ours) but still each club has a staff that is payed to do this job. They are the ones that propose transfer moves along with the menager and than the president has to decide if it's convinient in a financial purpose. You can exlude from this point only players like recoba that was moratti's favorite but the others are transfers decided by the staff and the president just decides to give or not to give the money ( today's berlusconi's action is the example of what i said the project for a striker was already made he just had to decide for the money).

    Haha don't say you guys...I think Hasan is the only one who thinks the entire transfer market and player development is based on the current President...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
    R.Carlos was good as lw at inter but he wanted to play at lb and inter felt he was better as a lw. That's why he left. The club would have liked to keep him.

    Bergkamp had nothing to do with inter. He couldn't come to grips with the italian culture. He would have failed anywhere in Italy.
    Seedorf was inconsistent at madrid as well. He has also had his up and down campaigns at milan.
    Pirlo was played in a different position where he was poor. He still sucks as a amc and can only play as a deep playmaker.

    If those talents were so great they would have succeeded at another club but yet none of them have done a thing.
    I must disagree with the part about pirlo.He is actually good at amc and as a deep lying playmaker i watch him for Italy and sometimes he plays amc too and does fantastic

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