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    Baklava and Doner!

    I always thought that baklava and doner were turkish specialties,but here is usa,beacouse greek population is far superior to the turkish one,everybody sais that they are both greek specialties.anybody knows the truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by josigod View Post
    I always thought that baklava and doner were turkish specialties,but here is usa,beacouse greek population is far superior to the turkish one,everybody sais that they are both greek specialties.anybody knows the truth?
    I can tell you a little from a non-Mediterranean who likes both Doner & Baklava...A lot of countries in the region claim it as their own, some with different names (Doner vs Gyros etc.)...As for origins, Greeks & Turks are among the older cultures going so who knows.

    As for taste, it all comes down to personal preference...Personally, I prefer Doner (Especially the ones I've had in Suisse (Montreux & Geneva, especially))...But with Baklava, I like Greek, Turkish and even Persian (All are quite different, IMHO)

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    Well, we have both here.. As far as I know, the Baklava is Turkish, they have brought it to the balkans, while the Doner, or Gyro in Greek, is Greek I might have been mistaken, maybe Yuko can answer this..
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    Baklava

    This is my favourite, lmfao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pajo View Post
    Well, we have both here.. As far as I know, the Baklava is Turkish, they have brought it to the balkans, while the Doner, or Gyro in Greek, is Greek I might have been mistaken, maybe Yuko can answer this..
    True about gyros, but baklava is from the Middle East I think. Turks got it from conquering or trading with people from that region and brought it to Balkans.

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    Baklava is definitely Turkish, while doner and gyros are very different, i have eaten both many times, and they are very different. So i guess both have their own respective origins from Turkey and Greece originally.
    As for the Greece being superior there, that explains it, because greeks are very nationalistic, they think of themselves as better than everyone else, it's unbelievable how even on tourist places, they use their own Cyrilic writing, despite none knowing it other than them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoonky View Post
    Baklava is definitely Turkish, while doner and gyros are very different, i have eaten both many times, and they are very different. So i guess both have their own respective origins from Turkey and Greece originally.
    As for the Greece being superior there, that explains it, because greeks are very nationalistic, they think of themselves as better than everyone else, it's unbelievable how even on tourist places, they use their own Cyrilic writing, despite none knowing it other than them.
    If you wanna go to Greece, learn Greek. Many Greeks learned Chinese in order to visit China for the Olympics... And it's not the Greeks' fault that their home has become a tourist attraction. There is no law that says that English or another language should be used
    And please don't call it Cyrillic Cyril was sent by the Greeks to teach the Slavs how to write, so please, it has nothing to do with the original Greek alphabet

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    Well, one of things I know that is not such a big secret is how there are two sets of menus at many restaurants in Greece...Those for the touristas and those for the locals, i.e. big price difference

    This probably occurs in other countries too but it caught my eye as it doesn't occur in the US

    My observation wrt nationalism etc. is that the older the civilization, the bigger the chip on the shoulder seems to be...Greeks go back a long ways so...

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    Lol, Greece lives from tourism, Greece would be a failed country if it didn't have the income they get from tourism, they would die. That is a very illogical reasoning.
    Ibiza in Spain is a very touristic place, but they don't just use their Spanish language, they also use the English for the sake of the main income they get - the tourism.
    Because you get to have some great touristic places doesn't mean it gives you the right to dis-respect the people that come to visit, because if it wasn't for those people and tourism, Greece wouldn't even be in the EU now.

    And by saying "not their fault that it has become a tourist attraction", is it just me or are you saying Greeks don't want it so!? Because if Greece don't want it so, and don't live by it, then i am left without words, honestly.
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    No, I meant, it's not Greece's fault that the homes of some of the people has become attraction for being much more beautiful than the tourists' homes... Because in Santorini, Mykonos, Rodos etc that are main tourist resorts, they use Greek. In places where there isn't supposed to be tourism at a large extent, you should not expect people use English just for the tourists... Would you change your home because someone else likes it?

    In mainland Spain, they do not use English. Barcelona, Madrid, Bilbao, Malaga etc where tourists travel a lot, you won't be able to find your way if you don't understand Spanish.

    In France, they might try to punch you if you speak English to them

    So, please, whatever differences Albanians and Greeks have, keep it in yourself

    (very off topic btw)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuko View Post
    In mainland Spain, they do not use English. Barcelona, Madrid, Bilbao, Malaga etc where tourists travel a lot, you won't be able to find your way if you don't understand Spanish.
    Dude, come on...That just comes off as a bit ignorant...I've been to Barcelona several times and the tourist bureau is first rate, including English speakers...In fact, I had trouble even with my subpar Spanish as most peeps seem to speak Catalan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuko View Post
    In France, they might try to punch you if you speak English to them
    I can only assume you are being sarcastic

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBarca View Post
    Well, one of things I know that is not such a big secret is how there are two sets of menus at many restaurants in Greece...Those for the touristas and those for the locals, i.e. big price difference

    This probably occurs in other countries too but it caught my eye as it doesn't occur in the US

    My observation wrt nationalism etc. is that the older the civilization, the bigger the chip on the shoulder seems to be...Greeks go back a long ways so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuko View Post
    If you wanna go to Greece, learn Greek. Many Greeks learned Chinese in order to visit China for the Olympics... And it's not the Greeks' fault that their home has become a tourist attraction. There is no law that says that English or another language should be used
    And please don't call it Cyrillic Cyril was sent by the Greeks to teach the Slavs how to write, so please, it has nothing to do with the original Greek alphabet

    are u serious???? i have to learn greek to visit greece??? that is soo ignorant,lets just talk about baklava and doner.btw,i know gyros is greek,but here greeks even claiming the doner,and thats where im confused.
    Last edited by Handoyo; 28 Feb 10 at 18:01.

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    Good topic my man, I LOVE both. To be honest, long time I thought baklava, kebab, musaka, shawarma etc. were all Lebanese food because in arabic countries it was them that introduced it. However, after moving to Canada I saw that turkish and greeks have it too. I don't know, logically I thought it was passed down this chain: Turks took it from Greeks and Lebanese took it from Turks.

    In any case, I gotta say that for me Greek/Turkish cuisine is the best in the world. It's healthier and tastier than other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammoudi View Post
    Good topic my man, I LOVE both. To be honest, long time I thought baklava, kebab, musaka, shawarma etc. were all Lebanese food because in arabic countries it was them that introduced it. However, after moving to Canada I saw that turkish and greeks have it too. I don't know, logically I thought it was passed down this chain: Turks took it from Greeks and Lebanese took it from Turks.

    In any case, I gotta say that for me Greek/Turkish cuisine is the best in the world. It's healthier and tastier than other ones.
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    Yes, I havent had food like I had in Istanbul.

    You can eat anything, anywhere and it would be tasty. From the bread to the meat.


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    I doubt Greeks are claiming doner, unless doner=gyros, which then means that doner is indeed Greek.

    From what I heard/know:
    Gyros= Greek
    Doner= Turkish
    Baklava=Middle East, maybe the only original Lebanese food they claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suneet View Post
    Yes, I havent had food like I had in Istanbul.

    You can eat anything, anywhere and it would be tasty. From the bread to the meat.
    i totally agree,the greatest food iv seen and tasted in my life is in this city.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuko View Post
    I doubt Greeks are claiming doner, unless doner=gyros, which then means that doner is indeed Greek.

    From what I heard/know:
    Gyros= Greek
    Doner= Turkish
    Baklava=Middle East, maybe the only original Lebanese food they claim.

    Ok,makes sense.thx
    Last edited by Handoyo; 28 Feb 10 at 18:02.

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