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    Thanks for the heads up, I'll be sure to bring my ear plugs...

    Btw, anyone else from this forum going to any match in the WC? Maybe we can start a South Africa travel group thread ala the Milano/Madrid thread.

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    I love how it is a huge surprise to everyone...did you guys miss the Confederations Cup last year?

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    The anti-vuvuzela thread

    I am officially against this.

    You can't watch football like this, let alone play it.

    The players can't hear eachother, the players can't even hear the refs whistle.

    We, the tv fans, can't watch a game without headache.

    Culture or no culture, the blowing horns were part of ancient times in Europe as well. Every race in the world used them. But to use them in this era, in football games, just sucks.

    Quote from Evra:

    He said: "We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6am.

    "We can't hear one another out on the pitch because of them."
    Here's a quote from Jordaan, the organising chief of the South Africa World Cup:

    Jordaan admitted he was not a huge fan of them himself. "I would prefer singing," he said.

    "It's always been a great generator of a wonderful atmosphere in stadiums and I would try to encourage them to sing.

    "In the days of the struggle (against apartheid) we were singing, all through our history it's our ability to sing that inspired and drove the emotions."
    I can't watch a dead football game.

    Goal scored, no reaction.

    Penalty or foul not given, no reaction.

    Goal disallowed, no reaction.

    Counter attack with great expectations(3 on 2 or whatever), no reaction.

    It's just a constant noise, throughout the whole game. How can people defend this? Some people just defend this sound just to appear that they are "politically correct"

    The only hope is teams with over 10.000 fans over there make a great crowd. But even 10 vuvuzelas are enough of destroying the atmosphere.

    I know for sure that I'm not the only one who despises this and stopped watching most of the World Cup.

    I have relatives in the USA who have started watching football in 2006 and were looking forward to watch this one, so much, that they invited the whole neighbourhood for the USA game vs England and the one before or after, not sure. They hyped "football", some neighbours became excited as well, but from what they've told me, they won't watch many more games because of the terrible sound.

    I can't even handle a mosquito revolving around my head, how can I withstand this racket?

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    Besides the complaints, there are concerns they can result in hearing loss, and word is they can trumpet up to 127 decibels.

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    Portugal winger Cristiano Ronaldo says the noise affects player concentration, while some fans watching on television claim they cannot hear the commentary.
    I can hear the commentary(wish I didn't, Cypriot commentators know nothing about football and generally suck)

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    “I am pretty worried, as yesterday during the warm-up test there were only three, but they made an incredible racket,” moaned the Sampdoria striker.

    “I can only imagine what it’ll be like with 30,000. My teammates told me that last year it was hellish during the Confederations Cup. It may not look like it, but a football pitch is like a marketplace full of people shouting important instructions and the referee’s whistle.

    “It may not look like it, but a football pitch is like a marketplace full of people shouting important instructions and the referee’s whistle.

    “If all this is drowned out by the sound of the vuvuzelas, then it can be a problem. We’ll have to be even more focused and concentrated.”

    Then you have this:

    Do organizers care? They don't give a hoot. Their bottom line: the cheap plastic noise-polluters are a South African tradition. Those who don't like them can, well, lump it.

    "I won't dwell too much on what outsiders think about vuvuzelas," says South Africa organizing committee spokesman Rich Mkhondo. "I won't dwell too much on what the feelings of the spectators are."

    He is backed by FIFA president Sepp Blatter, who asked: "Would you want to see a ban on the fan traditions in your country?"
    It seems that it's South Africa vs the world of football. The problem is that some of the fans in South Africa have a "if you can't beat'em join'em" attitude.

    "The vuvuzela is now an international instrument," said Mkhondo. "People buy them and stuff them in their suitcases and take them home."
    "The vuvuzelas are here to stay and they will never be banned," said Mkhondo. "As our guests, please embrace our culture, please embrace the way we celebrate."

    British bookmakers William Hill are offering smallish odds of 16-to-1 that the horns will be banned before the World Cup final on July 11.

    "It appears to be people who don't normally attend or watch football matches live and would rather sit and watch games in silence who are objecting to the vuvuzela," said Graham Sharpe, a William Hill spokesman. "Besides which the noise helps drown out some of the commentators, whose own incomprehensible vocal babble is often far more offensive than any vuvuzela!"

    Following last year's Confederations Cup, there were complaints from coaches, players and broadcasters about the noise. But Fifa said that the horns formed part of the unique African atmosphere of the tournament and refused to ban them.
    Dutch public broadcaster NOS has received a large number of complaints from viewers about the sound of the vuvuzelas at World Cup matches in South Africa. Apparently many viewers don’t like the sound, which to some people sounds like a constant droning, and want the level turned down. But director Jan de Jong told the Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad that the broadcaster has done its best to find a satisfactory balance between the commentary and crowd noise, and points out that the sound is being heard around the world.
    Anyone has a stream for this Belgian station? Seriously!
    Football website elfvoetbal.nl suggests that Dutch viewers who find the sound distracting should switch to Belgium’s Flemish public broadcaster VRT, which is available via cable all over the Netherlands, as its commentators use a different type of microphone that reduces the background noise from the crowd.
    Ouch!
    Tests on traditional vuvuzelas have suggested that they create a noise which at 144 decibels is louder than a passenger jet.
    Neil van Schalkwyk, of horn makers Masincedane Sport, said: "We have modified the mouthpiece, there is now a new vuvuzela which will blow noise that is 20 decibels less than the old one.
    But with thousands of the horns having already been sold it is unlikely to redesign will have any effect.
    Messi added: "It is impossible to communicate, it's like being deaf."

    Lol....Well, we should take all the vuvuzelas at South African games so that we can filter our options. That would mean no S.Africa matches for us and no vuvuzelas in the rest of games. I'd agree on that
    South Africa’s goalkeeper Itumeleng Khune, meanwhile, wants the vuvuzelas to get louder. "We want more support and louder vuvuzelas when we play our next match ... We could hardly hear the fans who were quiet at stages during the opening game."
    From Confederations Cup
    Spain midfielder Xabi Alonso said: "I think they should be banned. They make it very difficult for the players to communicate with each other and to concentrate.
    "They are a distraction and do nothing for the atmosphere," he added after his team's 1-0 win over Iraq.
    After only three days of World Cup games, international players in South Africa are already complaining about the trumpet, which has been a regular facet at the country's football stadiums since the 1990s. Players on the French national team say the noise keeps them from sleeping -- the horns start at dawn -- and that they cannot hear one another while on the field. Other players, including Argentinian team captain Javier Mascherano, have echoed those complaints. And at a press conference, Portugal's superstar Cristiano Ronaldo agreed, saying: "It is difficult for anyone on the pitch to concentrate." Finally, the president of the Japanese football association called the vuvuzela noise "unbearable."

    A spokesperson for the French company told SPIEGEL ONLINE: "Eliminating or filtering the vuvuzela noise levels technically is not possible without affecting the whole signal."

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    http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/vuvuzela-can-cause-hearing-loss
    I've only watched 2 full games so far(just because I couldn't divert myself elsewhere) and perhaps will get to watch a 3rd one in an hour if Italy vs Paraguay has fans that can eliminate the buzzing noise. Doubt it.

    Anyone disagrees about the vuvuzelas killing the mood?
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    cant stand these thing also, very annoying lets hope they stop them before the final.
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    Football website elfvoetbal.nl suggests that Dutch viewers who find the sound distracting should switch to Belgium’s Flemish public broadcaster VRT, which is available via cable all over the Netherlands, as its commentators use a different type of microphone that reduces the background noise from the crowd.
    I watch it on Belgian TV and I can't handle it. Please god don't tell me the noise is even worse then that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuko View Post

    Anyone disagrees about the vuvuzelas killing the mood?
    No sensible person will disagree with you. But at this stage it is way too late to get them banned. The international community should have made this fuss after the confed cup and got it banned. Instead there was only a whimper and hence we are in this situation.

    So its either adapt or not attend or watch the games.

    Earplugs solve the issues of going death but ruin the atmosphere. It isn't nice attending a game with friends and family and not being able to communicate with them.
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    Yuko, I compeltly agree with you. These vuvuzelas are a fucking disgrace for football. It's funny how you can stop watching a WC match though. I hate the buzzing sound, I hate the game rythm but hell I can't stop watching a WC match, I couldn't wait to get this started...

    Quote Originally Posted by vitomins View Post
    did you guys miss the Confederations Cup last year?
    It was the same situation even while the Confederations Cup was going on, but nothing was done.

    And btw, the Confederations Cup isn't watched by all the WC viewers.

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    had to turn the tv to silent to watch the italia game tonight.. putting me off watching any games other than the big ones right now tbh
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    im like bessi... i have watched every singe game so far

    About this shitty sound, agree with you all.. At the opening, i thought it will be only when South Africa plays, their fans, their way of supporting... But when i saw the second game, i said to myself, fuck, they will be noising every single game..
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    I've watched every match, and don't notice them anymore. Maybe you guys should try putting your t.v. at a lower volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Its On Man View Post
    I've watched every match, and don't notice them anymore. Maybe you guys should try putting your t.v. at a lower volume.
    I think that's something very strange to be honest . These fucking bees buzz for the whole game, and that makes you wanna kill all the people buzzing them .
    I'm still hoping they will ban them though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bessi View Post
    I think that's something very strange to be honest .
    I agree. Somehow, I just focus on the game or the commentators. A couple times a match I'll stop and consciously think about the vuvuzelas.

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    I'm still hoping they will ban them though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Suazo View Post

    Haha great one

    Should include "goal disallowed", "penalty not given" etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bessi View Post
    I think that's something very strange to be honest . These fucking bees buzz for the whole game, and that makes you wanna kill all the people buzzing them .
    I'm still hoping they will ban them though.
    Not going to happen now. If you ban them now you will cause a riot with the local fans. It should have been banned after the confed cup now its too late.
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    Just to bring another perspective to this since we have only qoutes of guys saying its bothering them. Wes says it doesn't bother him.

    http://www.fcinter1908.it/?action=read&idnotizia=7619

    Carragher jokes that its louder at anfield.

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    Seems that the volume has decreased!

    But still irritating...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuko View Post
    Seems that the volume has decreased!

    But still irritating...
    Most TV channels have now implemented noise reduction on the vuvu'z frequency... 233 mhz I think for those with a sound system.

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    I also found out today that the instrument from hell is not actually part of SA's history. It was invented some 40 odd years ago and used more widely in the 90's. In fact, it wasn't until 2001 that they began mass production of the vuvuz.

    I always assumed there's a good reason for having it, such as being deeply rooted in African history. 20 years for a silly instrument to exist has nothing to do with history or culture, it's commercialization. It's an object nobody has any emotional attachments to. Even those trying to be politically correct should have a hard time defending it!

    If it was really a cultural thing they could have sold African drums or something. It's not about culture, it's about money. There's only one company producing them in SA because they started earlier than everyone else, and there's only one company who owns the rights for all of Europe. If I hear one more person saying it's part of African culture I'll smack them in the head with a vuvuzela.

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