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    Tuesday, 14 December 2010

    With Interís stinging loss to Bremen still fresh in my memory I find it difficult to provide a simple explanation on the team I have followed for close to two decades. From the outset of this article I have to admit that I stopped watching Interís matches approximately two months ago as I could no longer endure watching a spineless, unenthusiastic team blunder their way through 90 minutes of mindless football with little organisation, structure or idea on how to impact a game let alone obtain a win and three points.

    Admittedly, I have been grappling with a conflict in the last months: supporting my team of the last nineteen years versus the sad state that I presently find the Nerazzurri. Despite this conflict, I still record Interís games hoping for a change in their performances and write this article hoping that it will be a mere snapshot in time but knowing that Inter are in a far more precarious state than simply suffering from an injury crisis.

    Season 2009-2010: Treble Winners

    The foundations for what has largely taken place this season were laid following the final whistle in Madrid against Bayern Munich.

    Mourinhoís departure from Inter for Real Madrid was apparently common knowledge at Inter as early as January 2010. The fact that Mourinho was leaving and the difficulty in finding an appropriate replacement was exacerbated by the disrespectful and unpalatable manner in which he left the club, deciding to remain in Madrid and finalise his new contract as opposed to returning to Milan to celebrate with his players and the Nerazzurri faithful.

    Victory in Madrid was the main reason Moratti was so frugal in the summer as he was of the view the squad did not need to be reinforced as Inter had just won the Italian Cup, the Scudetto and old Big Ears. The mistake made by Moratti and Interís management was to assume that the tactician Inter employed to replace Mourinho would be inheriting a treble winning side and there was little need to acquire new players and strengthen the squad.

    Another erroneous assumption was that having won the treble the club only needed to appoint a competent tactician to carry on the work undertaken by Mourinho. In every respect, Moratti and Interís management placed too much emphasis on having won the treble that led to Interís players being overvalued and the assumption that Interís new coach would be able to manage and utilise the same players that so honourably and dutifully served Mourinho and the club last season.

    Having conveniently overlooked the above, Moratti and the clubís management also failed to consider the age of some of our players, and the possibility they may struggle with motivation, suffer a drop in form or the toll that injuries may have on the side during the course of the season. It also appears management overestimated the respective abilities of Biabiany and Coutinho and what they would be able to contribute during the course of a season.
    It could be argued that it is easy to make the above observations with hindsight and knowing the predicament in which the team now finds itself but over the course of the summer Moratti and Interís management proceeded to strip the squad back to the bare essentials and did not move on the market for replacements. The transfer of Mario Balotelli, a contributor of 10+ goals from the bench is a case on point.

    Enfant Terrible: Mario Balotelli

    The obvious question that you may be asking is why raise and discuss Balotelli now. Given that Inter have been plagued by poor finishing, a lack of goals and a lack of alternatives up front, not to mention the fact the team is presently thirteen points off the pace in Serie A with a game in hand, there is no better time to discuss Mario Balotelliís departure to Manchester City.

    With all the column inches dedicated to Balotelli and his indiscretions of last season many Interisti would take the view that so much has been written about the player that nothing more needs to be said.

    Others may simply shrug their shoulders as Balotelliís time at Inter has now passed with the player being judged as a volatile, temperamental and mainly being remembered for his poor attitude and courting of Milan.

    The achievements of last season speak for themselves and many supporters take the view that the results obtained justify Mourinhoís actions during the course of the season. But when it comes to Balotelli, Mourinhoís actions and treatment of the player are questionable and the fortified siege mentality employed against those external to Inter provides an insight into the tactics employed within the squad to deal with Balotelli.

    Just as Mourinho banded with his players against those external to the club, he did likewise with the majority of the squad against Balotelli. Many Interisti have commented upon and complimented the actions of Materazzi following the semi-final first leg match against Barcelona. There were mixed reports as to extent of the clash between Materazzi and Balotelli but the fact that there was a physical altercation between a senior squad member and a player who was essentially still a boy speaks volumes.

    As a result of Mourinhoís confrontational management, Balotelli was frozen out of the squad in February 2010 and was only called upon as a last resort when injuries to Interís frontmen and tiredness were taking their toll towards the end of the season. As a result of his treatment of the player, Mourinho marginalised Balotelli from the squad and by the end of the season the player was left with few allies and no alternative other than to leave the club.

    I have considered the other factors, namely the throwing of his jersey, openly stating that he was a Milan supporter, wearing a Milan jersey on a comedy show and encouraging a Milan transfer. I do not want to play down these incidents but in light of what has taken place this season, Mourinhoís treatment of the player ensured that Inter and the clubís new coach, would be denied the services of a talented young player that could impact games and make a real difference on the field.
    The mere fact that Balotelli did not get along with Mourinho did not necessarily mean the player would clash with Interís new coach but by the end of the season the playerís relationship with the club and his fellow teammates had suffered irreparable damage and the player had no option than to leave, the ramifications of which will be discussed later in this article.

    Rafael Benitez: The Spanish Waiter

    It goes without saying that the coach that followed after Mourinho had the unenviable task of keeping Inter at the top of Serie A whilst remaining competitive in Europe. As Benitez won the Champions League with Liverpool in 2005 and was a beaten finalist in 2007, Interís management were of the view that he had the necessary pedigree to replace Mourinho.

    On closer inspection it is questionable whether Benitez has the necessary credentials to lead Inter. With the exception of the 2005 Champions League victory, Benitez was unable to win a league championship and was better known for purchasing no name players and having extensive injury lists. In Interís defence, it must be stated that there were precious few alternatives on the coaching market and even fewer with Champions League credentials.

    An early indication as to the direction of Interís season could be ascertained from Morattiís inactivity in the transfer market and the fact that players such as Rivas, Suazo, and Mancini had returned to the squad. In Benitezí defence he was hardly able to ensure these players left the club if he had no viable alternatives to play in their respective positions.

    Under Benitez, Inter have regressed. There have been occasions when the team has shown signs of improvement but more often than not those occasions are limited to one off matches against lowly opposition and do not carry over to the next game. Perhaps the most alarming aspect of Interís performances this season is the distinct lack of consistency in the sense that the team performs exceptionally well in some matches and does not show up for others.

    In simple terms, Inter have become a chore to watch: their game is characterised by sluggish, laborious and unimaginative play comprised of misplaced passes, players hanging on to the ball for too long, overplaying the ball around the edge of opposition penalty boxes, spraying shots high and wide and kicking the ball into opponents that leads to frequent loss of possession.

    Despite having largely the same starting eleven as last season, the attitude of Interís players and their brand of football under Benitez is unrecognisable. Sharp incisive counter attacks have been replaced with lumbering moves forward that more often than not break down in the final third of the pitch. A watertight and collective defence that started with Interís front men has been replaced with a defence that appears to be based on improvisation rather than organisation and concedes soft goals. A team that once had numerous goal scorers now struggles when Etoío fails to put the ball into the back of the net and in the absence of first team midfield Generals Esteban Cambiasso, Thiago Motta and Dejan Stankovic the team struggles.

    When watching Benitezí Inter, one cannot help but feel that the squad has adopted the passive and mediocre character of its coach and it is hard to escape the feeling that Interís players are simply going through the motions or feel that they merely have to take to the pitch to win games. The competitive, hungry, determined, edgy, gritty and workmanlike character of the team has all but disappeared and it is difficult to feel happy or proud of a team of Passengers.

    Many Interisti have commented on how under Benitez, Inter manage to create countless chances and that it is only a matter of time before the chances are converted into goals. Given Interís play and season so far, there is nothing to suggest that the team will become more clinical and start converting the chances they create which is the reason I went to great lengths to discuss Mario Balotelli earlier in this article.

    At a time when Inter are struggling to score goals, suffering poor results, and essentially only have a single in form striker in Samuel Etoío, Balotelli would have been a luxury option upfront. With the exception of Etoío, Interís front men have been woeful and the teamís attack has lacked the joint work rate of when Milito and Etoío played together as well as the unpredictability and flair that Balotelli could add to our attack.

    In relation to the latter, Inter have also missed his attitude and the way he challenged opponents and forced them into fouling him. At present, none of our front men play in a manner that taunts their opponents and opposition supporters and it feels as though our players have lost their edge and take to the field with little or no competitive spirit.

    Balotelli, for all his indiscretions, represented something special: a young and talented Italian player that had been promoted from the youth team to play in Interís first team. He was a player that added flair and unpredictability to Interís attack and the feeling that when he had the ball at his feet in close proximity to goal, he would try something audacious that would inevitably leave an impression.

    It may well be that Balotelliís absence is more sharply felt as Moratti failed to purchase a replacement, Milito is struggling with poor form and injuries and Sneijderís performances are nowhere near the level they were last season but what is obvious is that Inter lost a proven goal scorer and the likes of Coutinho and Biabiany combined are unable to fill the void left by Balotelli.

    If you disagree with my assessment of Balotelli and maintain that his indiscretions of last season outweigh his 11+ goals, then you should consider the last Derby, Ibrahimovicís goal and the very real prospect that when Balotelli returns to Italy he will mostly likely team up with Ibrahimovic at Milan.

    Interís management mistakenly adopted the view of a coach that had already decided he was leaving for Madrid and ensured Balotelli had no working relationship with the clubís management or his peers come the end of the season. Balotelliís departure from Inter will haunt the club for many years to come and Inter will only understand their mistake when he makes regular and valuable contributions to the black and red half of Milan.
    Donít Believe the Hype: The World Club Cup, Injuries and the Future of Benitez

    In 2007, to the amusement of many Interisti, Milan made the World Club Cup one of the primary goals of their season with many Interisti consoling themselves in relation to Milanís successful European exploits by claiming the competition was nothing but a glorified friendly tournament for which Milan had sacrificed their season.

    As Inter languish thirteen points off the lead in Serie A, one cannot help but feel how the tables have now turned. Visit inter.it and read the interviews coming out of Abu Dahbi and you will get the feeling that the season is fast passing and the World Club Cup may be one of the only competitions in which Inter can justify and give meaning to season 2010-2011.

    Following the loss against Bremen Benitez stated that Interís performance was played by a side that had already qualified for the second round of the Champions League. Benitez failed to acknowledge that victory against Bremen would have allowed Inter to qualify first in the group and perhaps be drawn against a slightly less stronger opponent. But it may well be that it hardly matters which team Inter is drawn against because on present form, if the Nerazzurri are struggling to get results against Leece and Brescia then the team will inevitably struggle against the likes of Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Barcelona.

    The post-match interviews following the match against Bremen also provided relevant insight into the teamís mindset. Benitez, Motta, Cordoba, Cambiasso and Orlandoni all commented on and placed great importance on the return of Interís injured players. From each interview it was evident that they expected a much improved Inter when the injured return to the starting eleven but what was lacking was any acknowledgment and explanation of the teamís poor performances. Most frustrating of all was the fact that our coach and players continue to provide alibis or excuses to explain their poor results.

    Prior to the injury crisis, when Inter had a full roster of available players, the teamís performances were better but Inter hardly had the form that would allow them to lead Serie A or confidently advance to the latter stages of the Champions League. Interís form and performances on the pitch will not automatically improve once the injured players return to the starting eleven as it will take time to gain match fitness. I also take the view that our playerís struggles with injuries will continue for as long as Benitez remains coach.

    Conclusion

    In a season where Inter have been a pale shadow of the Treble winning team, the World Club Cup is only important for the opportunity it provides Interís players to finish the hard earned work of last season and bring a memorable end to a chapter in the clubís history. On present form, it remains to be seen whether Inter can actually win the tournament and looking beyond the World Club Cup it is difficult to predict how the team will perform for the remainder of the season and where they will finish in Serie A and the Champions League.

    Inter have woefully underperformed for most of the season and the teamís play has been far from convincing and a chore to watch. The attitude of Interís players and their performances on the pitch point to there being a fundamental issue in the way Benitez relays his ideas to the players or the playerís interpretation of Benitezí instructions as the skill and ability of a Treble winning side does not simply evaporate over seven months. In a number of interviews coming out of Abu Dahbi, there has been reference to ďrediscovering the groupĒ and one has to question whether this is a veiled reference to an issue within the Inter dressing room or whether it simply relates to player numbers and availability in terms of injuries.

    Regardless of the denials and all the positive talk relating to the security of his position as Inter coach, Benitez is in a precarious position and will be scrutinised until the end of the season. Cambiassoís endorsement of Benitez as coach over the weekend points to Benitezí future at the club being a live issue of which the coach and players are mindful while preparing for the World Club Cup.

    From the bitter taste left after the loss to Bremen and even before a ball has been kicked in Abu Dahbi, it is difficult to avoid the feeling that if the team turns in similar lifeless performances to those witnessed throughout this season that Benitez may no longer be at the club come the end of the season. Of course, a great deal rests on how Inter progresses in the Champions League but one gets the feeling that if Benitez survives beyond the World Club Cup, his future will ultimately be decided on where Inter finish in Serie A. In recent years, winning the Scudetto has become a rite of passage for Inter and failure to do so will ensure Benitez returns to waiting tables on Merseyside.

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    great read puma, and excellently written bro.(as always)

    ps i agree on your mario point
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    Well written.

    I dont agree about Mario's departure reason being Mourinho. Apart from his brainfarts,

    1. To me he asked for a guaranteed place in the starting lineup, which Inter correctly said has to be earned. In hindsight and the fact that we didnt sign anyone or would have signed Kuyt to replace him this decision seems wrong, but back in July it made sense. It pains my heart to say it, but its true.

    2. FFP, it had to be him or Maicon and we never received a bid for Maicon at the price we wanted. Plus Maicon had a guaranteed place in the team and honestly no replacement was available in the market. Yes J.Z. is an amazing RB but somehow Benitez thought he would be a better DM. In hindsight again, he's not good enough in a high defence as a defensive fullback, but that is the waiters fault.

    3. Raiola. Yes Mario hired him, but he wanted the best possible agent for himself. You might remember that this was done when the entire club and fans were against him. It was a wrong move from Inter's point of view but the correct move from Mario's point of view. I also think that maybe a better contract was in their minds.

    I dont think Mou's confrontational side was responsible for Matrix's outburst and the subsequent violence. Any Interista would have done the same. I would have done it and Mario is/was one of my favorite footballers. Yes its regretable and even Matrix has made up with him since then as recent interviews have suggested.

    The fact is that if we knew Mou was leaving in Jan, we should have made more of an effort in trying to find a coach. Fabio Capello, Hiddink were a few names we should have tried hard for, they were available then. Even Van Gaal was teetering. We didnt and this is MM's only mistake.

    Contrary to popular belief, I think our squad is decent enough to be better than where we are at the moment. Yes we lacked an extra attacker but any other coach would have pushed and asked for it. Rafa asked for Kuyt. That itself said it out loud, "I dont know anything about the team I'm coaching, I dont know what it lacks so I will play it safe and get someone I know".

    Any coach that came in, well the brief would have been continue the same legacy because we cant really find any players this summer that can make us play tiki-taka. It would not be a similar season, but it would mean Inter would just play to their strengths. Counter attack at pace and be water tight at the back. The sole blame for this goes to the waiter. Not the injuries, not the motivation. If the waiter had done that we would easily be near the top of the league even with the injuries. And maybe 1st in the CL group which would have meant a little easier opposition than the names we currently are pitted against. I'm also saying that from a financial point of view as progress in the CL means a lot of more Euros.

    I think apart from Lucio, Maicon and Matrix none of them were close to the finishing point of their careers(done it all), all of them bar Sneijder had a more than decent break to recover.

    Defence: J.Z., Cordoba, Samuel, Chivu are also done it alls, but I have never seen them not motivated enough. Think about it. Santon wants to play more, theres his motivation to do better.

    Midfield/Attack: El Cuchu and Deki never looked demotivated, Motta was coming back from injury after having the best form of his life on route to our treble. Mariga had to prove that he isnt bench material. Sneijder had to keep up his Ballon d'or challenge, Cou would have been making his first impressions, just like Biabiany. Pandev and Muntari had to improve, Eto'o wanted Milito's position and subsequently got it. Milito also had to prove that he deserved the contract and he wasnt a flash in the pan.

    I think there was motivation and it had to be stirred but the waiter is not the type to do it. He doesnt have the tactical genius, nor the man management. If he was even decent in his ability to read the squad and their ability we would not be discussing on this thread.

    Whatever is happening now is not MM's or Mou's fault, its the fault of Rafa and Branca to a little extent. I have also read that Branca was the man behind Rafa's appointment and that means even he didnt realise what Rafa wants from the team. If he did, Branca would have told MM that we need the funding to give our coach the best chance or see an Inter struggling and lose all 3 of our titles in pursuit of the CWC. I dont think Massimo Moratti being a Moratti would have accepted that.


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    Good article George. Don't quite agree with you on mario though, he is having issues with mancio at city as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
    Good article George. Don't quite agree with you on mario though, he is having issues with mancio at city as well.
    what..? u mean how he wasnt happy when he was taken off ?

    who would when their a professional sportsmen..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmore View Post
    what..? u mean how he wasnt happy when he was taken off ?

    who would when their a professional sportsmen..?
    Not many walk to the dressing room ignoring the manager...

    You also have the training ground incident with boateng recently which showed it wasn't just an issue at inter...
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    Training ground incident was between 2 professional footballers players, and from whats been said, it was one nasty tackle. Mario had every right to defend himself. How can that be "a mario issue"?

    Not many walk to the dressing room ignoring the manager...
    Oh yes they do, just ask Sir Alexs' hairdryer. It happens all the time with players from everywhere, yet this boy gets continually picked out. I got mad respect for you stef but what you just gave me was utter crap.

    Which really proves the point even more right guys..? He is continually put under the microscope..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
    Not many walk to the dressing room ignoring the manager...
    come on stef...please don't do a "luka" and just be extremely biased without a deeper level of thought...

    didn't figo and vieira do that to mancio? adriano too?
    didn't sneijder and milito recently do that to fatone?
    didn't gerard/torres/benayoun/babel/riera do that to fatone?
    didn't adebayor and tevez just recently do that to mancio?
    the list can go on and on

    i think it has much more to do with the MANAGER than the player.
    Players want to play and that is understandable. It is, however, the manager's job to manage players actions appropriately.

    Why do these things constantly happen to mancio?
    Why do they constantly happen with fatone?
    Why do they NOT constantly happen with jose? or pep? or capello?
    ffs, pep does "rotation" similar to fatone, but you don't hear a lot of players complain like how they did with the fatone. Why is that?

    of course balotelli is a troubled kid with problems. Nobody denies that. But the scrutiny on the kid is beyond belief. Matter of fact, I shake my head in disgust listening to these english commentators talking about balotelli when 4 years ago, they were making every excuse under the sun to "protect" their top talent rooney with his wild on-field attitude/anger/aggression problems
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    Fair enough. My opinion on mario is still the same as it was in the summer. Getting rid of him was the right decision but not replacing him properly was a mistake. My reason for this is the way he acts and nothing has changed my mind concerning that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerazzurri4life View Post
    i think it has much more to do with the MANAGER than the player.
    Players want to play and that is understandable. It is, however, the manager's job to manage players actions appropriately.
    I don't know if you're saying Mancini has something to do with the shit that the Idiot is going through now, maybe you are.

    ...

    In either way, this reminded me, how some said, that under Mancini it will be all different, cause Mancini knows him, he "found him", he understands him and all that.

    Well, now we see how it works when Mancini got new and improved version of his former player.

    I would even say, that it is very troubling (to the people who still believe in the kid), that he still has problems under MANCINI. The one who seemed like had the most confidence in the guy (he spend close to 30 mln on this mistake for fuck sake ), and if even now things happen, what will happen, when Mancini will be fired (and it will happen sooner or later) ? When he will loose his "protected" spot, from his fave coach, it should in theory be worse than it is now.

    of course balotelli is a troubled kid with problems. Nobody denies that. But the scrutiny on the kid is beyond belief.
    Like it was already said, the Idiot brought it on himself. Nobody told him to act at Inter during games, like he did. The "hostility", if we can call it that way, towards him grew over time, it didn't happen overnight. And now this "fame" is going after him, same thing as it was with Matrix. Once you get your sticker, it's hard to get it off.

    The biasness of english media is a different story.
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    ok so all i hear is blah blah, but what about his "mistakes".....

    what did he actually do again?
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    No name players like...Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Garcia, Riera, Kuyt, Agger, Reina, etc...LOL.

    Rafa:
    2 time La Liga winner
    1 UEFA cup winner
    1 Champions league win
    1 FA cup win
    1 FA community Shield
    1 UEFA Super cup
    1 FIFA Club World Cup runner up
    1 Champions league runner up
    1 League cup runner-up
    1 EPL runner up - highest ever tally for 2nd place team in EPL history.
    1 Supercoppa Italiana
    1 UEFA Super Cup runner up

    1 Don Balon award
    2 UEFA manager of the year awards - only coach in history other than Mourinho to win it twice.

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    In effect, he's won the equivalent of whatever Mourinho has won. He has won a top 3 league; won the CL; won the UEFA cup and several domestic cups. Arsene Wenger doesn't even have this range of achievements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    In effect, he's won the equivalent of whatever Mourinho has won.
    To be fair, when we talk trophy wise, Jose have won more. Easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    1 FIFA Club World Cup runner up
    1 Champions league runner up
    1 League cup runner-up
    1 EPL runner up - highest ever tally for 2nd place team in EPL history.
    1 UEFA Super Cup runner up
    Tells me all about how you think Ikki so I wont bother you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    No name players like...Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Garcia, Riera, Kuyt, Agger, Reina, etc...LOL.

    Rafa:
    2 time La Liga winner
    1 UEFA cup winner
    1 Champions league win
    1 FA cup win
    1 FA community Shield
    1 UEFA Super cup
    1 FIFA Club World Cup runner up
    1 Champions league runner up
    1 League cup runner-up
    1 EPL runner up - highest ever tally for 2nd place team in EPL history.
    1 Supercoppa Italiana
    1 UEFA Super Cup runner up

    1 Don Balon award
    2 UEFA manager of the year awards - only coach in history other than Mourinho to win it twice.

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    In effect, he's won the equivalent of whatever Mourinho has won. He has won a top 3 league; won the CL; won the UEFA cup and several domestic cups. Arsene Wenger doesn't even have this range of achievements.

    Please, stick to what you know. There are lies and revisions; don't get mixed up with either.
    Runner up awards are rather irrelevant to us. We interisti believe in first or nothing, so that doesn't cut it here...
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    Originally Posted by Ikki
    1 FIFA Club World Cup runner up
    1 Champions league runner up
    1 League cup runner-up
    1 EPL runner up - highest ever tally for 2nd place team in EPL history.
    1 UEFA Super Cup runner up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luka View Post
    To be fair, when we talk trophy wise, Jose have won more. Easily.
    Yes, in number. I mentioned equivalency. Rafa has won the major European titles and won a top 3 league, twice, and the several domestic cups. His range of trophies is matched by a handful of current coaches.

    The author above tried to make it out as if Rafa made Liverpool regress - a telltale sign of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Liverpool had fallen from grace for a decade and more before Rafa. He won our most important title since our last league title and had come the closest to winning a league title for 2 decades. He is statistically the best Liverpool coach in EPL history. These are facts.

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    The best coach in Liverpool also came in 7th last season. If I was a Liverpool fan I'd be insulted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suneet View Post
    The best coach in Liverpool also came in 7th last season. If I was a Liverpool fan I'd be insulted.
    Not at all, you must have missed the Souness years. Even Liverpool fans who thought it was time for Rafa to leave would accept that he has been our best coach for some 2 decades. He fixed the club from the ground up. Overhauled Houllier's crap squad; fixing the youth system; and getting as close as anyone in EPL history has come to the title without winning it. Only a moron who reads the daily rags would argue otherwise. You do not win all those titles/cups by luck.

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    Ok.


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