Calling up Nationalized players?

Cal said:

Please note that all the years bolded contained a tool in the managerial job, Vogts, Burley, Levein...

Also consider that McGeady may have a large impact on this considering he is better than the vast majority of both our sets of players. Especially considering actually the main thing scotland lacked over the last decade was good wingers.

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Duly noted, you also must bear in mind that Steve ''Stan the Man'' Staunton was manager as well. That's at least equal.

McGeady himself can't explain superiority. He's not even been that effective up until recently. His mere 2 goals underline that. There really isn't anyone else to take his place before McClean and Brady popped up.

Also, Zidane was born in France, grew up in France, speaks French, developed in Ligue 1 and represented France at NT level.

Just because you repeat the word France a million times it doesn't make him any more French

But again if players like Zidane (non ethnic French) represent France that's not a problem if they were born there and developed as a pro through their system. The problem is when 10/11 players on the field are not ethnically French. There needs to be a limit.

Also, you need to consider the fact, that Algeria is in Africa, a completely different tournament. Back then international tournaments still meant more than club football. But today, club football >>> international football. So the time period is also crucial.
For example, if you're an olympic player, and YOUR COUNTRY IS YOUR TEAM, this is different than football, because your team is who pays your check.

What is infuriating, is when people pick NTs for an extra 10% prestige.

Zlat said:

To the moron that said Zidane is French. Bullshit. You are a moron, end of story. Zidane is Algerian, both parents are Algerian, speaks Arabic, is a Muslim, and represents Algeria in Ads, and other things.

Stfu on things you know nothing about?

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one of the most yao comments I've ever seen.

If he's so Algerian, why did he play for France? Dont give me some 'oh for the sake of his career' bullshit. Giggs chose Wales over England because he knew, at heart, he was Welsh, even though he would have walked into the England team at any point in his career

alright in 15 minutes I will write about the Behrami case, Xhaka case, and Shaqiri case, and how they are not traitors just because they choose Swiss Nt

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Valon Behrami was a Swiss player, with swiss passport ONLY. HE I repeat HE wanted to play with Albanian NT , so what did the albanians do? Got a pretty fucking expensive advocate to make him eligible to play for the Albanian NT . All this was 2005. What happened then you wonder? Well Swiss qualified for the world cup, and Behrami choose to play for Swiss over Albania. If this isn't traitor, opportunist , then browha, fitzy and all you other hippies can suck my glorius white albanian cock

browha said:

one of the most yao comments I've ever seen.

If he's so Algerian, why did he play for France? Dont give me some 'oh for the sake of his career' bullshit. Giggs chose Wales over England because he knew, at heart, he was Welsh, even though he would have walked into the England team at any point in his career

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man you really seem like you need a mental check. really though.

Zidane is Algerian, but he chose to represent France, the reason doesn't matter. playing for France doesn't make him French lol lol lol.

so according to you, Boateng is German? or Balotelli is Italian? LOL. they represent the respective teams, but they are from other countries.

i'm seriously not sure what's the point here, what are you trying to prove

browha said:

one of the most yao comments I've ever seen.

If he's so Algerian, why did he play for France? Dont give me some 'oh for the sake of his career' bullshit. Giggs chose Wales over England because he knew, at heart, he was Welsh, even though he would have walked into the England team at any point in his career

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Giggs was not eligible to play for England.

Great football myths, part 1: England could have had a midfield of Giggs, Gerrard, Scholes, Beckham.
"Did Ryan Giggs have the option of playing for England?" asks William Holdaway. "I know he played for England at schoolboy level, but I gather that qualification depended on the location of your school. This could settle a long-standing and increasingly boring argument ... do your best!"

You're right, William. Contrary to popular belief, Giggsy never had the option of playing for England. He was born in Cardiff to Welsh parents, and only moved to the Manchester area when he was seven.

He did captain England schoolboys when he played at that level for Manchester United but, as Mark Wylie of the Manchester United museum explains: "That was due to residence. Plenty of Scots have played for England schools. It just depends on where you go to school."

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/oct/06/theknowledge.sport

Giggs, who had lived in the Manchester area since the age of six, had previously captained England's schoolboys at Wembley.
But he could never represent England's youth and senior teams as his parents and grandparents were not English.
Under the new legislation, Giggs would have been eligible to represent England while England striker Michael Owen, who was raised in the north Wales village of Hawarden to English parents, could have played for Wales.

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When he made his debut he was not eligible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8359241.stm

[QUOTE-Giggs]"There was a lot of confusion about the situation because I played for England Schoolboys," he told the Team GB website

"Then, because of the problems England had on the left of midfield, people would say to me `you should have chosen England`. But I was never able to choose England."[/QUOTE]

I'm sick of empty people who's self-esteem isn't sufficient that they need to validate themselves through the achievements of people who share the same ethnicity/nationality with them

i have no right to question zidane , benzema , nasri decision to play for the french NT , because it's not my fucking business
it's a personal professional-related choice

on the other hand , a player's ethnicity/origins might be an interesting information for a scouter or a manager
on this layer zidane or ozil's origins might be a relevant/important information .

the end .

jmaster said:

man you really seem like you need a mental check. really though.

Zidane is Algerian, but he chose to represent France, the reason doesn't matter. playing for France doesn't make him French lol lol lol.

so according to you, Boateng is German? or Balotelli is Italian? LOL. they represent the respective teams, but they are from other countries.

i'm seriously not sure what's the point here, what are you trying to prove

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I cant comment on Boateng, but Balotelli is Italian, yes. Definitely. Hes never even fucking BEEN to Ghana, yet you're prepared to call him a citizen of that country because of his skin colour?

Zidane not french?

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monster09 said:

Giggs was not eligible to play for England.



http://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/oct/06/theknowledge.sport



When he made his debut he was not eligible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8359241.stm

[QUOTE-Giggs]"There was a lot of confusion about the situation because I played for England Schoolboys," he told the Team GB website

"Then, because of the problems England had on the left of midfield, people would say to me `you should have chosen England`. But I was never able to choose England."

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Interesting. Thanks for the info, I was always under the impression he was eligible throughout.

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And HENRY IS THE MOST FRENCH PERSON EVER

HE POPULARISED THE SAYING VA VA VOOM. HOW MORE FRENCH CAN A PERSON BE?!

PimpinAintEasy said:

alright in 15 minutes I will write about the Behrami case, Xhaka case, and Shaqiri case, and how they are not traitors just because they choose Swiss Nt

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Valon Behrami was a Swiss player, with swiss passport ONLY. HE I repeat HE wanted to play with Albanian NT , so what did the albanians do? Got a pretty fucking expensive advocate to make him eligible to play for the Albanian NT . All this was 2005. What happened then you wonder? Well Swiss qualified for the world cup, and Behrami choose to play for Swiss over Albania. If this isn't traitor, opportunist , then browha, fitzy and all you other hippies can suck my glorius white albanian cock

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why won't anyone say shit about this now faggots?

PimpinAintEasy said:

why won't anyone say shit about this now faggots?

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Since when have I defended EVERY instance of a player switching nationality? Please illustrate it...

All I've said is calling Henry 'not French', or the same for Zidane, is one of the most retarded things I've ever seen since Napoleon Dynamite drew that picture for that girl..

There is CLEARLY quite a lot of people switching nationality just for the sake of furthering their professional careers. Look at the horde of Brazilian players in SE Asia, for example. None of them are in any metric 'Asian' - its just to play international football...

But other cases are ridiculous to contest.

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jmaster said:

man you really seem like you need a mental check. really though.

Zidane is Algerian, but he chose to represent France, the reason doesn't matter. playing for France doesn't make him French lol lol lol.

so according to you, Boateng is German? or Balotelli is Italian? LOL. they represent the respective teams, but they are from other countries.

i'm seriously not sure what's the point here, what are you trying to prove

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Please, tell me what nationality you are?

browha said:

calling Henry 'not French', or the same for Zidane

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"My father is an Algerian, proud of who he is and I am proud that my father is Algerian."
-Zinedine Zidane


Zinedine Zidane Proud Of Algeria's World Cup Qualifying Performances
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/wo...zidane-proud-of-algerias-world-cup-qualifying



zidane have both algerian parents , was born and raised in france doesn't make him french
it's what he consider himself what counts and consider himself french/algerian .

by your logic albert camus is algerian ! because he was born and raised in algeria

I wasn't talking just to you browh

well, apparently you were talking to me enough to mention my name

browha said:

well, apparently you were talking to me enough to mention my name

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PimpinAintEasy said:

why won't anyone say shit about this now faggots?

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jokes aside, I said that it wasn't meant to you only.

milito22 said:

"My father is an Algerian, proud of who he is and I am proud that my father is Algerian."
-Zinedine Zidane


Zinedine Zidane Proud Of Algeria's World Cup Qualifying Performances
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/wo...zidane-proud-of-algerias-world-cup-qualifying



zidane have both algerian parents , was born and raised in france doesn't make him french
it's what he consider himself what counts and consider himself french/algerian .

by your logic albert camus is algerian ! because he was born and raised in algeria

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He never said he was Algerian in that quote.

PimpinAintEasy said:

alright in 15 minutes I will write about the Behrami case, Xhaka case, and Shaqiri case, and how they are not traitors just because they choose Swiss Nt

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Valon Behrami was a Swiss player, with swiss passport ONLY. HE I repeat HE wanted to play with Albanian NT , so what did the albanians do? Got a pretty fucking expensive advocate to make him eligible to play for the Albanian NT . All this was 2005. What happened then you wonder? Well Swiss qualified for the world cup, and Behrami choose to play for Swiss over Albania. If this isn't traitor, opportunist , then browha, fitzy and all you other hippies can suck my glorius white albanian cock

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If he said he'll play for the Albanian team, and really meant that and wasn't just saying it to be diplomatic, then has jumped onto the Swiss bandwagon for the World Cup, then he is a bit of a cunt. Wouldn't call him a traitor as that's a harsh word, especially since there is no doubt that he feels somewhat Swiss if he has been there since he was a kid.

But, as browha said, that's just one case. This sort of thing should not lead to the generalisation that these players are "traitors", especially dudes like Zidane, Benzema, Podolski, Balotelli, etc. The only real reason Behrami could be called a "traitor" is that, if what you're saying is true, he's already declared himself for Albania, then switched. If he had it in his head from the moment he started playing football that he wanted to represent Switzerland, I see no problem in playing for the Swiss. The same would apply if he wanted to play for Albania the whole time, and represented them.

Januzaj, for example, shouldn't be judged for picking Belgium, or Albania, as long as he picks the country that he feels an allegiance to.

I just take issue with this idea that a player "must" play for a certain country because his parents and extended family are of that nationality, even if he wasn't born there and hasn't spent any significant period of his life there. That is complete and utter shite.

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Fapuccino said:

But again if players like Zidane (non ethnic French) represent France that's not a problem if they were born there and developed as a pro through their system. The problem is when 10/11 players on the field are not ethnically French. There needs to be a limit.

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Ridiculous.

Fapuccino said:

For example, if you're an olympic player, and YOUR COUNTRY IS YOUR TEAM, this is different than football, because your team is who pays your check..

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There are countless examples of people of dual nationality choosing to compete in the Olympics for countries not of their birth, and also not of their family heritage.

Fitzy said:

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Indeed.
Like Mo Farah, who wasn't born in England.

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jmaster said:

man you really seem like you need a mental check. really though.

Zidane is Algerian, but he chose to represent France, the reason doesn't matter. playing for France doesn't make him French lol lol lol.

so according to you, Boateng is German? or Balotelli is Italian? LOL. they represent the respective teams, but they are from other countries.

i'm seriously not sure what's the point here, what are you trying to prove

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Please tell me where you stand on the following:

1 - If I'm english, my parents are english, but I spent my entire life in a foreign country, which I call home, which I'm absorbed into culturally, and I speak the native language fluently, what cultural heritage am I?

2 - If my father is French, and my mother is Arabian, and I spent my whole life in France, what cultural heritage am I?

3 - If my father is French, my mother is Arabian, and I spent my whole life in Saudi Arabia (but in a French culture) what cultural heritage am I?

4 - If my father is French, my mother is Arabian, and I spent my whole life in Saudi Arabia what cultural heritage am I?

5 - If I'm 1/16th Cherokee, 1/4er German, 1/4er French, 1/4er English, and the rest Dutch, born and raised in America, what cultural heritage am I?


Please enlighten me with your "wisdom". And please tell me about you, because unless you're 100% native American, you aren't American.. either that or you need to clarify the distinctions.

if a lion is born with insert random animal here , spends a lifetime with them , he can be friendly with them, can live with them,can understand them, do you think he will ever become that type of animal ?

sure he can feel like it, but he will never be that type of animal

PimpinAintEasy said:

if a lion is born with insert random animal here , spends a lifetime with them , he can be friendly with them, can live with them,can understand them, do you think he will ever become that type of animal ?

sure he can feel like it, but he will never be that type of animal

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