Empoli - Inter (17 Jan 15) [0-0]

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there is no "no way" in football. its all about increasing and decreasing odds. in a game like udinese, I would say Mancini did everything right, but it was the players' ineptitude and mentality that let us down.

here mancini did everything wrong, and made it very difficult for us. (the players were idiots too, but thats a given)
 

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you guys think without mentality we would have won any silverware in the history of this club? all our trophies were won with "superiority in tactics and personnel"? :lol:

it's not like we're playing rocchi or schelotto either. we played icardi, palacio, hernanes, podolski. and we weren't against pogba, pjanic, or totti. we were against maccarrone, vecino, croce.

you're saying that it was practically impossible for our players to do anything because of mancini? thats a really naive way of looking at it.
 

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Fif is amazing... We've seen countless coaches come in and play ugly football. But we keep blaming the coaches and the tactics. Everytime we don't win we just come here to post the ideal formation that would magically make us win. Silly coach, if he used a 4 4 4 with kova and Messi we would have definitely won.

We fielded the same formation last week and outplayed Genoa (for 45mn though). So how can we say that it's a formation or coach issue... Maybe, just maybe we don't have great champions. We have players that are happy with a draw against Empoli. They're just not as good as we think they are, or there's something else but we can't keep on blaming coaches
 

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There are times when the players are at fault, and others when the coach is at fault. There have been countless games where the players were at fault. Today Mancini was the main culprit (mainly for keeping 2 of our best fucking players in the bench) Look at it at any way you like.
 

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what the fuck happened today?
 

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There are times when the players are at fault, and others when the coach is at fault. There have been countless games where the players were at fault. Today Mancini was the main culprit. Look at it at any way you like.

No. Mancini was more of a culprit than usual. That doesn't detract from the fact the players have been the main culprits for a while and I feel it could be the hangover from the #DareToMazzarri experience. Two different coaches with different ideas have come in and said that our problems are mainly psychological.

It also isn't a coincidence this started happening after the likes of Zanetti, Samuel, Milito stopped featuring in the lineup. We don't have any leaders in attack or midfield.

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I watch teams like OL, even sassuolo vs roma, empoli today, samp, sometimes even milan (vs napoli) and genoa. They play with their hearts coming out of their chests. I have not seen one such performance from Inter over the past 2 years.
 

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I agree, the players looked like they were fucking content with a draw, like we were fucking Udinese.
 

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Yep, for once I don't think there's much point talking about how shit the players are or tactics.

Usually I go on about how we are crap but today we simply didn't play well. It was pretty clear we could have won easily on a better day. Didn't get any lucky bounces either.

The players were definitly a bit flat today. While Empoli looked like a toothless team, the way the could easily pressure us and have possesion was pathetic at time. Mancini didn't do much to help the situation either.

All in all as I said, we had a bad day and it cost us a very winable game.
 

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People say they want the Serie A to become more competitive, yet when it's at the expense of Inter's result, we blame the shittiness of the squad, tactics, etc. let's keep in mind that Empoli played a fantastic game, as it is the very reason they field a team. Just chalk it up as a bad day on the pitch, and remind yourselves that the boys showed tremendous amount of heart against Roma, Juve, and Genoa.
 

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Shaqiri was on the bench because he wasn't at a 100% plain and simple. Today's performance was pathetic we were dominated in midfield and we were stuck too deep. Meh we gotta regroup and get to winning ways quickly.
 
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[/Quote originally posted by brancazinho] We fielded the same formation last week and outplayed Genoa (for 45mn though). So how can we say that it's a formation or coach issue... Maybe, just maybe we don't have great champions. We have players that are happy with a draw against Empoli. They're just not as good as we think they are, or there's something else but we can't keep on blaming coaches[/QUOTE]

We outplayed and won genoa with 4231 but got raped and fucked with empoli with the same 4231, that's a very curious and sensible statement.
The thing is in football, your formation doesn't affect your team only, it also affects the opposition team. 4231 worked against genoa because the played a 343 whereby they the had no dmf to mark our free amf, our two midfielders occupied theirs, we raped them through the wings because they had no fullbacks to occuppy them and our fbs and cbs occupied their attackers.
We were raped and fucked empoli with the same 4231 because we had an odd amf who is occupied by their dm, they played a 4312 and out played our mifielders because they had 4 midfielders ( 3mfs and an amf) against our only two midfielders and instead of us to attack them through the wings like done against genoa but we layed dormant and played defensively.
That is the answer to your statement.
 

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People say they want the Serie A to become more competitive, yet when it's at the expense of Inter's result, we blame the shittiness of the squad, tactics, etc. let's keep in mind that Empoli played a fantastic game, as it is the very reason they field a team. Just chalk it up as a bad day on the pitch, and remind yourselves that the boys showed tremendous amount of heart against Roma, Juve, and Genoa.

That has been our main issue since the treble. We can play against the big teams but we fail at regularly taking points from small teams.
 

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You guys are saying our tactics are the reason we lost vs empoli. if palacio, podolski, guarin, hernanes, and icardi gave even 80% today, would we still have lost?

Inter hasn't won anything in its history without mentality. Often we haven't had better players or tactics. It came down to character in JZ, Picchi, zio, Matthaus, Milito, Mazzola, Facchetti, Suarez etc. And it's the same for every club.

I have not seen the players leave their hearts on the pitch for the past two years. Tactics are a problem but they aren't the problem. Two different coaches with different ideas, experiences, approaches have come to the same conclusion that there is a psychological issue.
 

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oh cmon, if our team had the abilities of milito, JZ, Matthaus, Mazzola, Facchetti we'd win too.

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people talk about jz mentality and ignore that he was a FUCKING MACHINE
 

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oh cmon, if our team had the abilities of milito, JZ, Matthaus, Mazzola, Facchetti we'd win too.

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people talk about jz mentality and ignore that he was a FUCKING MACHINE

We weren't a better team than barcelona in 2010. Even mourinho has said on many occasions that 9 times out of 10, barcelona would have progressed. He also said the better team doesn't have to be the winning team and the power of their victories "were in warriors like Milito, Materazzi, and Zanetti".

Herrera was also the first coach to motivate his players. La Grande Inter's successes largely came down to their amazing mentality. You can't beat the passion and professionalism of players like Facchetti, Mazzola, Picchi, Burgnich, Corso, or Suarez.

JZ was definitely talented, but a lot of it was pure mentality. He never stopped running for the entire 90 minutes even when he was well into his thirties. He never stopped training or recovering either. It was apparently a running joke in Appiano that Zanetti was always sleeping because when he wasn't training he was resting (to physically recover). Didn't he train before his wedding day as well? Watching his debut vs Vicenza, its clear he wasn't as talented as, say, Roberto Carlos but he had twice the drive of everyone else on the pitch.
 

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We weren't a better team than barcelona in 2010. Even mourinho has said on many times than 9 times out of 10, barcelona would have progressed, but that the winning team isn't the better team.

Herrera was also the first coach to motivate his players. La Grande Inter's successes largely came down to their amazing mentality. You can't beat the passion and professionalism of players like Facchetti, Mazzola, Picchi, Burgnich, Corso, or Suarez.

JZ was definitely talented, but a lot of it was pure mentality. He never stopped running for the entire 90 minutes even when he was well into his thirties. He never stopped training or recovering either. It was apparently a running joke in Appiano that Zanetti was always sleeping because when he wasn't training he was resting (to physically recover). Didn't he train before his wedding day as well? Watching his debut vs Vicenza, its clear he wasn't as talented as, say, Roberto Carlos but he had twice the drive of everyone else on the pitch.

schelotto has the zaneti mentality but he lacks zanetis ass to back that mentality. If we had a fachetti mazzolas, Suarezes in our team we'd be fucking set, mentality is important but u make it sound like this team is on par with quality with teams that went down as the teams of those generations
 

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schelotto has the zaneti mentality but he lacks zanetis ass to back that mentality. If we had a fachetti mazzolas, Suarezes in our team we'd be fucking set, mentality is important but u make it sound like this team is on par with quality with teams that went down as the teams of those generations

of course, but we were playing real madrid and eusebio's benfica back then. we're playing empoli right now.

And pimp, why does it have to be between mentality OR technical ability? Why are you making it a tradeoff by giving the example of Schelotto when it doesn't have to be that way?

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Weren't the players vomiting from nervousness before the Celtic game?

Edit; that wasn't post Herrera, my bad. Even if what you were saying was completely true, it still supports my point of view. And they didn't win after all, so that's irrelevant. Herrera's Inter was also in decline and there were some serious problems in the dressing room (that would take me too long to explain).

Also, I've only read rumours of Picchi vomiting, but you forget he had cancer that would be left undiagnosed until it was too late (he would die only 4 years later in 1971).
 
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