José "The Special One" Mourinho

3 Semi Finals and a few cups is pretty good considering how managers have done under Perez.

If you ask me it's pretty good, but knowing Mourinho he is surely not that satisfied with that move and what he achieved.

Zlatan4life said:

Hahaha, talk about being sensitive

I bet you can't even come up with argument(s) why I'm wrong about Mourinho...

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go fuck yourself x2

DomesticatedPimp said:

go fuck yourself x2

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3 EPL titles. Two the first time, one the second time. All that during only 5 full EPL seasons. In the last 15 years only SAF won more and Mourinho wasn't even in EPL for 5 or 6 years.

Kazaan said:

3 EPL titles. Two the first time, one the second time. All that during only 5 full EPL seasons. In the last 15 years only SAF won more and Mourinho wasn't even in EPL for 5 or 6 years.

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sorry i just found it and posted it haha, still point stands, dude is a fucking legend already and he says mou is not a coach, fucking ban the prick

Jose Mou & Internazionale
Just like Black & Blue Color
So beautiful matched

DomesticatedPimp said:

sorry i just found it and posted it haha, still point stands, dude is a fucking legend already and he says mou is not a coach, fucking ban the prick

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Yeah, you can say few things about him that even those of us who love/respect him would not jump to his defense, but that he is not a coach is a moment if there ever was one.

Zoro said:

It would still be an easy job no? Just cause they are playing bad now wouldn't mean that much next year, most of the same players would be there I'd imagine which lets not forget won the league last year. I dunno I won't respect Pep as a top top manager until he wins the league he is in (not even champions league tbh) with a team like Liverpool/Roma/Leverkusen/Valencia.

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This is a stupid argument. A manager is only as good as his players; period. A good manager gets the most out of his players, but if the players are crap the manager will never succeed.

Zoro said:

I dunno I won't respect Pep as a top top manager until he wins the league he is in (not even champions league tbh) with a team like Liverpool/Roma/Leverkusen/Valencia.

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So there are only one or two top top managers out there right now according to the league titles these teams have won lately. One of them must then be Benitez with his two league titles with Valencia Is he a top top top top manager then?

By his logic the top two contenders for top top top manager are...Brendan Rodgers and Rudi Garcia. Poor Pep, nowhere near those two.

Wings said:

By his logic the top two contenders for top top top manager are...Brendan Rodgers and Rudi Garcia. Poor Pep, nowhere near those two.

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Neither of them won the league though

ScottishInterista said:

Neither of them won the league though

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But they were the closest among the teams he mentioned.

Javier'sSon said:

Mourinho have always had a great budget to work with, in that regard they are no different. Of course the self proclaimed special one is one of the best if not the best in his man management skills of his players, he creates this 'us against the world' mentality and has worked wonders for him. Usually when his teams were considered underdogs against the best of the best at the time.

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After Chelsea's win against Porto, Mourinho:

“But when we won at Porto in 2004 we were not candidates. When we won at Inter (Milan) in 2010 we were not candidates. When we were candidates we lost two semi-finals with Real Madrid, we lost two semi-finals with Chelsea, so let’s see. You never know”

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This reinforces my point, it is quite astonishing that with his record and the funds he has with the clubs he worked with he only won the CL as an underdog. Of course there's nothing wrong with that but it's still interesting in my opinion. And it shows how difficult - and very impressive - winning the competition as favorites, more coaches have won it as an underdog (Mou,Fergie,Benitez) than they have as stand out favorites, mainly when it's the 2 big Spanish teams and Bayern.

That's because it's a cup competition with a knock-out phase. As with all competitions of this kind you can get lucky, and the best team doesnt always win.

Javier'sSon isn't saying the better team didn't win, he's saying that the favorite didn't win.

But I'm saying the best team doesn't always win, in an attempt to explain why the favorite didnt (and often doesn't) win. It's about setting your team up for big games against particular opposition rather than consistency as with a straight league, which always finds the best team of the season (usually the favorite).

TGDella said:

But I'm saying the best team doesn't always win, in an attempt to explain why the favorite often doesn't win.

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But that doesn't explain it. People calling you the best team (the favorite) isn't the same thing as being the best team. Few took us into serious consideration at the beginning of the treble season but we were one of the best teams in Europe. No one thought Juve last season would go as far as they did but again, they were also one of the best. As you said, even if the fav is the best team that doesn't necessarily mean they will win because of the nature of cup comps, if we're talking about jose though I don't think it's relevant. Porto and Inter were the most difficult teams in Europe to beat when they won their recent CL titles. It was more a matter of people writing them off than better teams getting knocked out. Being the favorite is also usually dependent on the quality of players, but having the best players doesn't mean you have the best team/most difficult to beat. Form throughout the season is also something else to consider. favorites are called at the beginning of the year but teams can change a lot as the season progresses. When Milan won the Champions League in 2007, they sucked balls at the beginning of the year but went on an insane run at the end to go all the way.

disagree with Javier's Son's last point. It's wrong to say winning it as a favorite is more difficult than being an underdog. The favorite has the best players in the world, the underdog doesn't. It also would make more sense to compare whether it's more difficult to win it once without the best players or build a winning dynasty with the best players. I can see both sides of the argument depending on the teams we're talking about. If favorites/teams with the best players consistently showed the level of hunger and pragmatism teams like Inter showed in 2010, they would be unbeatable but it's nearly impossible to build a winning mentality that doesn't fizzle out after you've won everything and also reaching that level even once is difficult.

When Milan won the Champions League in 2007, they sucked balls at the beginning of the year but went on an insane run at the end to go all the way.

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They even won having qualified from the play-offs!

When it comes to Javier's Son's original point, I agree with you. It's wrong to say winning it as a favorite is more difficult than being an underdog. The favorite has the best players in the world, the underdog doesn't. I will say that it's generally more difficult to build a winning dynasty as the favorite than win it once as an underdog because keeping a group heavily motivated after winning lots of titles is very difficult. If big teams consistently showed the level of hunger and pragmatism teams like Inter showed in 2010, they would be unbeatable but it's very difficult to build a winning mentality that doesn't fizzle out after you've won everything.

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Nah, winning as an underdog is easier in my opinion. How many teams have tried winning the CL with the best players in the world but couldn't? Madrid comes to mind straight ahead. The biggest factor in my mind is pressure. Think of it this way, most footballers have the ability and skill to play but the best shine and excel under the pressure, there are exceptions of course but are minute when looking at the big picture. Favorites, even though you could say have a better set of players (that doesn't guarantee u'll win, like Madrid/Chelsea/Bayern when they didn't win but had one hell of a squad) have to play under the immense pressure of being expected to win. This weighs heavily on the players and in a lot of cases will lead to them chocking. Underdogs, on the other hand who in a lot of cases had a strong group of players anyway, will play with a nothing to lose mentality which undoubtedly helps them during the big matches and makes them a lot more cynical and frustrating to play against the favorites, they will use any means necessary to win. Because after all, they're underdogs.

Javier'sSon said:

They even won having qualified from the play-offs!



Nah, winning as underdog is easier in my opinion. How many teams have tried winning the CL with the best players in the world but couldn't? Madrid comes to mind straight ahead. The biggest factor in my mind is pressure. Think of it this way, most footballers have the ability and skill to play but the best shine and excel under the pressure, there are exceptions of course but are minute when looking at the big picture. Favorites, even though you could say have a better set of players (that doesn't guarantee u'll win, like Madrid/Chelsea/Bayern when they didn't win but had one hell of a squad) have to play under the immense pressure of being expected to win. This weighs heavily on the players and in a lot of cases will lead to them chocking. Underdogs, on the other hand who in a lot of cases had a strong group of players anyway, will play with a nothing to lose mentality which undoubtedly helps them during the big matches and makes them a lot more cynical and frustrating to play against the favorites, they will use any means necessary to win. Because after all, they're underdogs.

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No, Madrid just haven't been good enough despite having great players. If they had the effort and mentality of the underdogs they would win it every year. Are you actually going to say that Mourinho's Madrid wouldn't have won it every year if they gave what our players gave in 2010? You also can't generalize. It was more difficult for Bayern, Real, Barca to win their title over Chelsea, doesn't mean it was more difficult to win it over Inter. There have been different winning underdog and favorite sides throughout CL history. And as I said there are several more relevant reasons the favorite doesn't win which are related to the nature of the moniker and the nature of cup comps.

There's more pressure at big clubs but when we're talking about clubs like Real Madrid, we're mostly talking about players used to the pressure. Especially when we're talking about favorites who are in the running every year, so the players that stay at Madrid. Their players definitely don't "choke", they're just not as motivated as they would be for an underdog side because they're always competing for trophies. This is the challenge of building a winning dynasty.

But they weren't considered underdogs!