Roberto Mancini

Toninu said:

Shame on Manncini for wanting better players like any manager at a.big club.

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Other Managers want better players to improve their tactics, Mancini wants better players because he's clueless and needs their individual class. Big difference.

Don't renew, keep him until next summer and then get a proper coach. No clown coaches like the ones we've been linked to recently.

Sunni group are INVESTORS in Inter Milan.
Chinese investors are now investing in football, because it will give them more money.
With all these investors from USA, Russia, Sjeiks, China my interest in football is dying,
Sunni group wants 'future, investment in 'youth'......... so they can sell them later on with profit = happy investors.

Fuck Sunni group, fuck modern football and fuck Mancini!

Suning wants to expand its brand in Europe. Buying Inter cost them pretty much nothing compared to how much they make, that's why they've been buying players like Ramires for record breaking fees, players with no resale value.

delaurentis said:

Sunni group are INVESTORS in Inter Milan.
Chinese investors are now investing in football, because it will give them more money.
With all these investors from USA, Russia, Sjeiks, China my interest in football is dying,
Sunni group wants 'future, investment in 'youth'......... so they can sell them later on with profit = happy investors.

Fuck Sunni group, fuck modern football and fuck Mancini!

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the way i see it, suning isn't better or worse than "traditional" owners just becase they're Chinese. everyone in football uis just looking foro one thing, the same as in the past: visibility. at least Suning seems to have the proper means, which moratti didn't have anymore.

It'd be interesting if we end up parting ways with Mancini and then sack his assistant Gregucci, who just had a successful spell in Alessandria and left them to join us. Pazza Inter, indeed.

fcim49 said:

Other Managers want better players to improve their tactics, Mancini wants better players because he's clueless and needs their individual class. Big difference.

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These are just the kind of naive statements we see here on FIF about every single Inter manager after a few months... stay real, mate, there is a good chance that if Mancini leaves us the next coach is going to be a downgrade. Or even worse...

Mancini is tactically limited, always was, no arguments there. Just to oversimplify for a minute, there are two types of successful coaches:

Type A: There are coaches who like to formulate their tactics based on the players they have... these coaches are rare, and their key strengths are tactical acumen and superior training methods. A good example of this is Ancelotti.

Type B: Then there are coaches who have a fixed idea how they like to play. They like to mould/buy players to suit this particular style. Their key strengths usually are the ability to identify gaps, find the right players to fill these gaps, and motivate players. Mourinho is a great example of this. A level lower, Mancini also belongs to this group. So does Capello.

This is not to generalise that Type B coaches are always tactically limited, or that Type A coaches don't have a preferred style. However, Type B coaches can be successful even when they are tactically limited (as in Mancini's case), because they always set up their team to play 1 tactic/style they are very familiar with. But these coaches need players who suit that basic tactical set up.

Another example of Type B is Conte. He does not seem tactically limited like Mancini, but from the small career he has had so far, you can clearly see he has a fixed style. It came to fore in his Azzurri stint, when he ignored better talents to keep focusing on "his players" who suit his style. That is why the likes of Giacherini, Parolo, Candreva etc were preferred to players like Berardi, Jorginho, Bernardeschi, etc.

Mancini is not at the level of a Mourinho (or even Conte), but he is a decent manager overall. He is very good at setting teams up to his basic tactical set up, and once he has got all the pieces to the puzzle, his teams are quite formidable. One track ponies, yes, but very good nevertheless. What you are calling "he needs individual class" is actually more like "he needs players who fit his set up". And contrary to the popular opinion here, Mancini has done this before within tight budgetary constraints (his last stint at Inter, for e.g.). Which is why I would prefer Mancini to see out his contract at Inter, because he will leave us much stronger.

A final point on who should decide what players to get - the club or the coach. A lot of shite has been written here about Mancini "getting his way". In a properly run club with a consistent vision, the sporting director is best placed to take the final call on transfers. But Inter is far from this model, we have no consistent vision for Ausilio to rely on. In such a scenario, you could do worse than to listen to your coach. Specially if you have a Type B coach. IMO Ausilio/Suning should decide the transfer budget, absolutely. They should also veto some players who don't meet the club's objectives (like Yaya) - thats fine too... but in the end, if you have the money to buy only 1-2 players, focus on the players your coach wants as much as possible. Don't force the coach to agree to an imaginary project, because thats what our latest project is at the mo... first develop a project and a consistent vision, and then sign the best coach who suits that project.

Yeah, if we get a chance to hire a better coach (say like Simeone) who can stay with us for the next 3-5 years, then sacking Mancini now may make sense. But the worst thing Inter can do at this moment is to let Mancini go and "hire whatever best option is available"... that kind of clueless planning is why we are in this shithole. The next coach needs to be a natural progression for the long term, not a "quick fix".

Bluenine said:

These are just the kind of naive statements we see here on FIF about every single Inter manager after a few months... stay real, mate, there is a good chance that if Mancini leaves us the next coach is going to be a downgrade. Or even worse...

Mancini is tactically limited, always was, no arguments there. Just to oversimplify for a minute, there are two types of successful coaches:

Type A: There are coaches who like to formulate their tactics based on the players they have... these coaches are rare, and their key strengths are tactical acumen and superior training methods. A good example of this is Ancelotti.

Type B: Then there are coaches who have a fixed idea how they like to play. They like to mould/buy players to suit this particular style. Their key strengths usually are the ability to identify gaps, find the right players to fill these gaps, and motivate players. Mourinho is a great example of this. A level lower, Mancini also belongs to this group. So does Capello.

This is not to generalise that Type B coaches are always tactically limited, or that Type A coaches don't have a preferred style. However, Type B coaches can be successful even when they are tactically limited (as in Mancini's case), because they always set up their team to play 1 tactic/style they are very familiar with. But these coaches need players who suit that basic tactical set up.

Another example of Type B is Conte. He does not seem tactically limited like Mancini, but from the small career he has had so far, you can clearly see he has a fixed style. It came to fore in his Azzurri stint, when he ignored better talents to keep focusing on "his players" who suit his style. That is why the likes of Giacherini, Parolo, Candreva etc were preferred to players like Berardi, Jorginho, Bernardeschi, etc.

Mancini is not at the level of a Mourinho (or even Conte), but he is a decent manager overall. He is very good at setting teams up to his basic tactical set up, and once he has got all the pieces to the puzzle, his teams are quite formidable. One track ponies, yes, but very good nevertheless. What you are calling "he needs individual class" is actually more like "he needs players who fit his set up". And contrary to the popular opinion here, Mancini has done this before within tight budgetary constraints (his last stint at Inter, for e.g.). Which is why I would prefer Mancini to see out his contract at Inter, because he will leave us much stronger.

Yeah, if we get a chance to hire a better coach (say like Simeone) who can stay with us for the next 3-5 years, then sure sack Mancini. That makes sense. But the worst thing Inter can do at this moment is to let Mancini go and "hire whatever best option is available"... that kind of clueless planning is why we are in this shithole. The next coach needs to be a natural progression for the long term, not a "quick fix".

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I do agree with general idea of having different types of coaches, but can you please just explain what is in your opinion Mancini's preferred tactic, fixed style or basic setup he did set up so far?
What are the most notable traits of his tenure at Inter?

Bluenine said:

Which is why I would prefer Mancini to see out his contract at Inter, because he will leave us much stronger.

Yeah, if we get a chance to hire a better coach (say like Simeone) who can stay with us for the next 3-5 years, then sure sack Mancini. That makes sense. But the worst thing Inter can do at this moment is to let Mancini go and "hire whatever best option is available"... that kind of clueless planning is why we are in this shithole. The next coach needs to be a natural progression for the long term, not a "quick fix".

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Im sure this will be a scenario here.And then new,"Suning coach" next summer...

nurko said:

I do agree with general idea of having different types of coaches, but can you please just explain what is in your opinion Mancini's preferred tactic, fixed style or basic setup he did set up so far?
What are the most notable traits of his tenure at Inter?

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You can clearly see what he is trying to do... its not hard with someone like Mancini, he is tactically still quite the one track pony. We have a higher line of defence, which is used more as a defensive tactic to reduce the gap between the lines rather than the conventional use as an attacking tactic. There is a physical midfield meant to dominate the middle of the park, with one given the duty to guard the defence and another to directly connect with the attack as a B2B. The FBs and wingers are meant for giving greater width and double back on each other. The strikers are meant to come deeper and ideally hold the ball.

Mancini hasn't evolved much as a tactician since his first stint at Inter. The only difference is that the LM/RM have become LW/RW (possibly the influence of English football). But the tools he has now are so different. Last year this style failed spectacularly in the midfield. Melo/Medel are just not capable to do what Cambiasso did, and K-dog/Bro are not ready yet to do a Vieira/Yaya. Plus there was no real RW and the fullbacks were too poor to make this work. Mancini tried Brozovic as a RM to limited success, whereas Ljajic was just too indisciplined for this role and Biabiany not good enough.

So I can see why Mancini wants a Yaya/Candreva kind of players. He wants hard working wingers who can double up with the fullbacks. Perisic is a good fit. Candreva can be too. Yaya can (in theory) give the midfield more personality, and at the same time deliver on the B2B midfield role. I am not sure how Mancini plans to use Banega, I suspect he will be given a relatively free role (like Silva at City or Stankovic at Inter before).

I can also understand why Mancini wants the next 1-2 hires to be experienced players... Kondogbia's last season is a good example, clearly he will take time to make that role his own. Inter already have 4 young players in the starting XI (K-dog, Bro, Icardi and Murillo). The impact is largely felt in the midfield where our players are either young and inconsistent (k-dog, Bro) or just not good enough (Medel, Melo). So I can understand why Mancini wants someone like Yaya/Candreva rather than another young and inconsistent player.

Not saying that I agree with all his choices (No Yaya please!!) but I do agree with his logic. I am sure if Suning tells Mancini something like no Yaya (for obvious reasons) but you can have someone like Biglia instead, Mancini will be satisfied.

regardless of who the coach is, we desperately need a new and important sporting director: i mean, neither thohir nor suning know shit about football, so it's hard for them to have a dialogue with the coach (whoever he is) without the mediation of a sporting director. i guess oriali could be the man, or leonardo, too, or someone else but we really need this professional figure and we need it as soon as possible.

by the way, gazzetta titles that within the next48 hours mancini will probably resign.

firmino said:

regardless of who the coach is, we desperately need a new and important sporting director: i mean, neither thohir nor suning know shit about football, so it's hard for them to have a dialogue with the coach (whoever he is) without the mediation of a sporting director. i guess oriali could be the man, or leonardo, too, or someone else but we really need this professional figure and we need it as soon as possible.

by the way, gazzetta titles that within the next48 hours mancini will probably resign.

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Erm,Ausilio is our technical/sporting director,not just transfer manager

JJM said:

Erm,Ausilio is our technical/sporting director,not just transfer manager

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that is why i specified "new and important". blivious: ausilio is a good guy but honestly we need something else, he should just handle the negotiations of the transfers.

Who the fuck we gonna sign if Mancio resigns?

This is so catastrophic, specially to our start of the season. Which players want to come to Inter when it's this kind of circus?

firmino said:

that is why i specified "new and important". blivious: ausilio is a good guy but honestly we need something else, he should just handle the negotiations of the transfers.

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I'd keep Ausilio but he needs help, clearly
He has too many responsibilities
I dunno what that Giardini dude does but it's not dealing with the players.
I'd bring Lele back for sure

CafeCordoba said:

Who the fuck we gonna sign if Mancio resigns?

This is so catastrophic, specially to our start of the season. Which players want to come to Inter when it's this kind of circus?

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Or worse, which of our key players will now put in transfer requests... or after 6 months when things go topsy-turvy...

Bluenine said:

Or worse, which of our key players will now put in transfer requests... or after 6 months when things go topsy-turvy...

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JJM said:

I'd keep Ausilio but he needs help, clearly
He has too many responsibilities
I dunno what that Giardini dude does but it's not dealing with the players.
I'd bring Lele back for sure

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Does anyone else feel JZ should/could be doing more especially with the Icardi situation? Words are nice and all, but Icardi should have had his ass handed to him when his bitch wife started this BS. His admiration for Simeone is evident, but we aren't even close to getting him as manager. Ausilio is getting hit pretty hard right now, and he clearly needs a sidekick. I expected him to be busy, but this is just getting crazy.

De Boer?

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Pellegrini and De Boer are the only free options that look good and realistic. Sassuolo manager perhaps?


Fuck Mancio

A.l.i said:

De Boer?

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Frank de Boer’s agent insists they “haven’t heard anything from Inter” but calls them “a great team”.

Roberto Mancini is thought to be on the verge of walking away from the Nerazzurri, as he’s in dispute with the club over their transfer strategy.

Former Ajax boss De Boer has been linked with the position, but his representative denies any talks have taken place.

“We haven’t heard anything from Inter,” Guido Albers told Voetbal International.

“They’re a great team, but at the moment all we can do is wait. Frank is calm.”