South American Leagues

fuck gremio, dirty fucks. normally i'd say to hell with boca but they can't deny the world a river-boca final. vamooo river locooooo

Super hyped about the Libertadores Final.

This is by far the best possible outcome for the tournament and for the sport in the world. This is the highest football can go.

Last time the tournament final is on two grounds. Boca-River, River-Boca. Saturday 7 and 24 of November.

No away fans. Reasoning is, this is a once in a lifetime spectacle, we cannot deprive of supporters to chance to go to this game. Away fans will mean that some people will watch both games, stands will be empty and there's going to be a lots of missed seats due to police. Good solution imo, even if it kills off some of the passion.


As objectively as possible, football will need 5 consecutive Champions League finals of Inter-Juventus and another 5 of Real Madrid-Barcelona to reach the excitement of this single fixture.

This is just epic. And all I can fucking think of is that Inter vs fucking Frosinone clashes with the 2nd leg :chan:

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brehme1989 said:

As objectively as possible, football will need 5 consecutive Champions League finals of Inter-Juventus and another 5 of Real Madrid-Barcelona to reach the excitement of this single fixture.

This is just epic. And all I can fucking think of is that Inter vs fucking Frosinone clashes with the 2nd leg :chan:

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Not really that objective if fuck all people will watch that don't usually watch S.American football and it's final numbers will be dwarfed by whatever final UEFA end up with.

postponed for tomorrow, same time. torrential rain in buenos aires

Dylan said:

Not really that objective if fuck all people will watch that don't usually watch S.American football and it's final numbers will be dwarfed by whatever final UEFA end up with.

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Since when objective and popular are correlated?

brehme1989 said:

Since when objective and popular are correlated?

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Since you said said that there is objectively more excitement for a game. Which there isn't. How would you measure excitement? Is it the smaller pocket of fans who would regardless be watching the Libertadores Final anyway who are more excited now or is it the vast majority of fans who have a glance at wikipedia like myself and recognise Tevez, Gago amongst others and go, meh.

It doesn't really matter that Gago or Tevez or playing , just them playing against each other, let alone in the Libertadores final is epic. Its one of the most famous matches in Argentina and usually the games are always attacking and the atmosphere is great. Not sure how that translates to viewership but this is a derby that football fans should watch.

Dylan said:

Since you said said that there is objectively more excitement for a game. Which there isn't. How would you measure excitement? Is it the smaller pocket of fans who would regardless be watching the Libertadores Final anyway who are more excited now or is it the vast majority of fans who have a glance at wikipedia like myself and recognise Tevez, Gago amongst others and go, meh.

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I was talking about football, what someone else has called 'Eupalla'. I'm not talking about the average joe that can't sniff his own shit when it comes to football.


River v Boca is the biggest derby in the world. With the correct terminology. That of a local rivalry. Objectively.

The Libertadores is more exciting than any other club competition in the world. Objectively.

There is no other derby in the top 10-15-20 of world football's best clubs in history (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter, Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Man Utd, Bayern Munich, Boca Juniors, River Plate, Penarol, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, Santos etc...) that touches this rivalry in any aspect that doesn't involve money.

The two biggest possible derbies in European football in a CL final are Real Madrid vs Barcelona and Inter vs Juventus. It's nowhere near. I'm sorry if you cannot see this. Neither European derby is local and neither has the kind of history and hostility that the Buenos Aires Superclasico has.


Just because most people are unaware of this doesn't make it wrong. You can objectively say that Justin Bieber is not as good as almost everything out there in the music industry, yet he's one of the most popular figures.

And yet hardly anyone gives a shit about it. Sadly it's much like when Inter played Milan all these times in the past 10 years. Sure, we all loved it but the average viewer didn't give a shit about Nocerino vs Guarin.

Dylan said:

And yet hardly anyone gives a shit about it. Sadly it's much like when Inter played Milan all these times in the past 10 years. Sure, we all loved it but the average viewer didn't give a shit about Nocerino vs Guarin.

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I don't get why you're talking about the average viewer again. I've used the term objectively exactly to avoid someone coming to tell me that a dull Southampton vs Huddersfield match on Saturday morning has more viewers.

Just because football's gone to the toilet in the last years and the new football fans are the shit that flows in it doesn't mean that the other side of the world is part of this new era and that no one gives a shit. This game is a blessing and for anyone that still give's a crap about the sport, it's the best thing ever. If people disagree, they should watch some Quidditch.

brehme1989 said:

I was talking about football, what someone else has called 'Eupalla'. I'm not talking about the average joe that can't sniff his own shit when it comes to football.


River v Boca is the biggest derby in the world. With the correct terminology. That of a local rivalry. Objectively.

The Libertadores is more exciting than any other club competition in the world. Objectively.

There is no other derby in the top 10-15-20 of world football's best clubs in history (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter, Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Man Utd, Bayern Munich, Boca Juniors, River Plate, Penarol, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, Santos etc...) that touches this rivalry in any aspect that doesn't involve money.

The two biggest possible derbies in European football in a CL final are Real Madrid vs Barcelona and Inter vs Juventus. It's nowhere near. I'm sorry if you cannot see this. Neither European derby is local and neither has the kind of history and hostility that the Buenos Aires Superclasico has.


Just because most people are unaware of this doesn't make it wrong. You can objectively say that Justin Bieber is not as good as almost everything out there in the music industry, yet he's one of the most popular figures.

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Even though i agree with u that the rivalry and the magnitude of the game is big, popularity will always triumph in any field. You don't have to be sorry and no one has to agree with u for u to enjoy the game. I think u overstated how excited people are by this. To people who are care they are excited but to the rest they are not. You are correct though, the average viewer will generally care about whats popular, but not all of them will though.

K.I. said:

Even though i agree with u that the rivalry and the magnitude of the game is big, popularity will always triumph in any field. You don't have to be sorry and on one has to agree with u for u to enjoy the game. I think u overstated how excited people are by this. To people who are care they are excited but to the rest they are not.

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I don't care if people are excited about this game. I said I was/am super hyped. That's the only comment I made about anyone giving a shit about the game. And it was regarding my own feelings on it.

I also said that objectively, this is the most exciting thing that has happened to football. Because it is. Whether I personally watch it or not means jack shit. Just like Croatia making it to the World Cup final, being a new finalist, was the most exciting thing that happened to World Cups in recent history. Or Greece winning the Euro in 2004 out of nowhere was exciting. Probably people were bored when Greece was playing, but it was fucking exciting times and not just in Greece. Real Madrid winning 3 CLs on a trot is also an exciting feat. I sure hated the fact, but it doesn't stop it from being an exciting landmark in football history!

Everytime history is written there's objective excitement. People usually aren't part of this history so they and their fucking feelings about issues are always irrelevant.

brehme1989 said:

I don't get why you're talking about the average viewer again. I've used the term objectively exactly to avoid someone coming to tell me that a dull Southampton vs Huddersfield match on Saturday morning has more viewers.

Just because football's gone to the toilet in the last years and the new football fans are the shit that flows in it doesn't mean that the other side of the world is part of this new era and that no one gives a shit. This game is a blessing and for anyone that still give's a crap about the sport, it's the best thing ever. If people disagree, they should watch some Quidditch.

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I'm talking about the average viewer as you once again brought up objectivity. It's asubjectively a better fixture (than S'hampton-Scrubbersfield, which I never disputed)

I really don't mean this as an insult and hope you don't take it as such but just because you like to respect the values and standards of previously popular clubs it doesn't really mean shit. The word objectively cripples you here. It's a match of little interest regardless, I couldn't tell you one winner of the past 10 Libertadores games. It has about as much objective interest as that Argentina-Brazil game a few weeks ago.

I'll happily miss this game and go on rightfully calling myself a fan of the game at a deeper level than your opinion of everyone that watches Premiership football.

brehme1989 said:

I don't care if people are excited about this game. I said I was/am super hyped. That's the only comment I made about anyone giving a shit about the game. And it was regarding my own feelings on it.

I also said that objectively, this is the most exciting thing that has happened to football. Because it is. Whether I personally watch it or not means jack shit. Just like Croatia making it to the World Cup final, being a new finalist, was the most exciting thing that happened to World Cups in recent history. Or Greece winning the Euro in 2004 out of nowhere was exciting. Probably people were bored when Greece was playing, but it was fucking exciting times and not just in Greece. Real Madrid winning 3 CLs on a trot is also an exciting feat. I sure hated the fact, but it doesn't stop it from being an exciting landmark in football history!

Everytime history is written there's objective excitement. People usually aren't part of this history so they and their fucking feelings about issues are always irrelevant.

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It def is exciting, because chances are very slim it will ever happen again. More excitement usually means people all over the world are anticipating this [which Dylan and others prob thought u meant], but you are talking about the excitement of the fixture, the match, the teams and the derby.

Dylan said:

I'm talking about the average viewer as you once again brought up objectivity. It's asubjectively a better fixture (than S'hampton-Scrubbersfield, which I never disputed)

I really don't mean this as an insult and hope you don't take it as such but just because you like to respect the values and standards of previously popular clubs it doesn't really mean shit. The word objectively cripples you here. It's a match of little interest regardless, I couldn't tell you one winner of the past 10 Libertadores games. It has about as much objective interest as that Argentina-Brazil game a few weeks ago.

I'll happily miss this game and go on rightfully calling myself a fan of the game at a deeper level than your opinion of everyone that watches Premiership football.

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Once more, you're trying to say that the average viewer, aka the popular opinion, and objectivity, are correlated. They are not.

There are probably more Justin Bieber fans in the California and the state of New York alone than there are fans of Pavarotti in the world. Does that make Pavarotti's music more irrelevant than Bieber?

More people in the world can tell me the starting 11 of Crystal Palace than Roma's, doesn't mean shit.

I don't understand why your argument is that people are dumbed down, hence we'll allow them to be grateful for being ignorant. Especially since it's unrelated to whatever I even said.

And no sorry, a random Argentina-Brazil friendly does not have the same 'objective interest' as the Libertadores, the same way the Champions League is not equivalent to the Nations League 3rd group or whatever they call it.

The "average viewer" needs to stop being so average if he wants to have a clue of what the sport it. Because until then he's just someone who casually watches something that happens to be on tv and doesn't really follow the sport.

I have no clue of what the Vienna Opera plays every at New Year's but I know for a fact that it's objectively one of the best recurring opera events of all time. People should treat football this way. Boca-River in the Libertadores final is by far the best thing that's happened to football since forever... Plain and simple. You don't get football if you don't get this.

Dylan said:

I'm talking about the average viewer as you once again brought up objectivity. It's asubjectively a better fixture (than S'hampton-Scrubbersfield, which I never disputed)

I really don't mean this as an insult and hope you don't take it as such but just because you like to respect the values and standards of previously popular clubs it doesn't really mean shit. The word objectively cripples you here. It's a match of little interest regardless, I couldn't tell you one winner of the past 10 Libertadores games. It has about as much objective interest as that Argentina-Brazil game a few weeks ago.

I'll happily miss this game and go on rightfully calling myself a fan of the game at a deeper level than your opinion of everyone that watches Premiership football.

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It's a fact that the two most important football competitions in the world are UCL and Copa Libertadores. You can't deny that. In more than 100 years of football, how many derby finals in these two competitions have you ever seen? Or will you ever see? Very few I guess (if none). This is one of them.
I don't know how much you like this sport or how far would you go to see a game of your favorite team, but here in South America, specially in Argentina, people are incredibly crazy about football. You can watch it yourself with a few Youtube videos. I myself am soaked because of the really heavy storm that struck the city, some people travelled for HOURS, came from very far, went through a lot just to watch this game. A lot would die to see this game. It may be "a match of little interest" to you, but definitely it is the game of century, at least in this part of the world. There is nothing better than this. Nothing.

I can deny that.

South Americans always hype these games up. I've heard it all before, and still it doesn't interest me, probably because I'm not a part of this world.

wera said:

probably because I'm not a part of this world.

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Don't worry ET, we'll send you home.

R.Palacio8 said:

It's a fact that the two most important football competitions in the world are UCL and Copa Libertadores. .

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It's not, it's the UCL and World cup

ScottishInterista said:

It's not, it's the UCL and World cup

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The discussion is obviously about club football.