Roberto Gagliardini

PHM1605 · Nov 26, 2018

Irequis said:
Everyone should remember that Gags was excellent when he first arrived here. It means the problem is not his talent or his basic ability.

Iirc Gags was great in our standard because at that time we were suffering the "creativity" from Medel-Melo-Kdog. He was like the professor in the midfield because he cleaned up Kdog clumsiness and made his teammate performing better.

Talent? Well, in that aspect, our current midfield with Brozo, Valero, Mario, Radja and partly Vecino, Gags is the most limited one. Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing him here. Just to clarify about "talent".

n4l · Nov 26, 2018

Irequis said:
Everyone should remember that Gags was excellent when he first arrived here. It means the problem is not his talent or his basic ability.
And everyone also should realize that great clubs develop players, not jump into spending spree after they turn their signing into transfer flop.

I don't think Gags is as bad as everyone here makes him to be. It is true that his form has been dipping for some time and furthermore we have raised expectation after his great early performance. But to immediately write him off as mediocre player is pure stupidity and then what is our solution ? Buying Barella and turning him into Gags Kdog again ? If anything, it is the club's task to develop and reinvigorate its players.

This has nothing to do with "form". This is strictly about actual ability. At the end of the day, we can't depend on Gags to play and compete at the highest level. We're back in CL now playing against farca and tottenham. We're definitely expected to be competing for 1-2 in the table and to be a level above Milan/Lazio/Roma.

Gags is very physical. It's a great attribute of his. But his passing and general technique are only above average; and under pressure, it's definitely average or below. The top teams all play some sort of high press and being able to get out of that press is instrumental to success. If you can't pass under pressure, then forget about it.

Not to mention, his shooting and general finishing is very poor.

So at the end of the, we have a limited midfielder FOR THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF FOOTBALL. You can sugar coat that if you want, but that's the truth. Saying "he's not so bad" isn't really going to cut it. He isn't so bad, but he isn't great either, which is what you need to compete consistently.

Great for fiorentina/atalanta/lazio level though.

varmin · Nov 26, 2018

You cannot make a team consisting only of great players because all of them will want to be starters. Gagliardini is good enough for rotational player at this Inter's level and should be fine for likes of Genoa and Frosinone. The problem is that is missing a starter for high tier opponents.

moii · Nov 26, 2018

Irequis said:
Everyone should remember that Gags was excellent when he first arrived here. It means the problem is not his talent or his basic ability.
And everyone also should realize that great clubs develop players, not jump into spending spree after they turn their signing into transfer flop.

I don't think Gags is as bad as everyone here makes him to be. It is true that his form has been dipping for some time and furthermore we have raised expectation after his great early performance. But to immediately write him off as mediocre player is pure stupidity and then what is our solution ? Buying Barella and turning him into Gags Kdog again ? If anything, it is the club's task to develop and reinvigorate its players.

You should realize that Gagliardini can barely run. If you can even call it running what he does...

n4l · Nov 26, 2018

varmin said:
You cannot make a team consisting only of great players because all of them will want to be starters. Gagliardini is good enough for rotational player at this Inter's level and should be fine for likes of Genoa and Frosinone. The problem is that is missing a starter for high tier opponents.

Agreed to some extent. You may not want to have absolute world class in every position, but the quality should not drop off drastically where you cannot even play your brand/style/tactic of football.

That's the issue. Gags technical level is too low, so the style we want to play cannot be played reliably against better teams.

Look at Juve's midfied for example; pjanic, matuidi, khedira, can, bentacur. While those names aren't toni kroos/modric names, the technical level of these players assures that they can play their brand football no matter who starts, who subs in, or who their opponent is.

CoolMan44 · Nov 26, 2018

Matuidi is not very good technically. He serves his purpose and is like a bulldog, plus pops up with some important goals but he's definitely limited on a technical level.

Harpsabu · Nov 26, 2018

CoolMan44 said:
Matuidi is not very good technically. He serves his purpose and is like a bulldog, plus pops up with some important goals but he's definitely limited on a technical level.

But at least he excels at something. Gags is average at everything.

n4l · Nov 27, 2018

CoolMan44 said:
Matuidi is not very good technically. He serves his purpose and is like a bulldog, plus pops up with some important goals but he's definitely limited on a technical level.

Not good relative to who? The difference between his technical level, and say, pjanic, is MUCH smaller than the difference between his level and gagliardini.

Watch a juve game. He isn't glamorous, but his passing is firm, crisp, and accurate. His ball control isn't great but again, serviceable enough to (1) contribute to and execute the team tactic and (2) NOT fuck up his team play. Khedira is the same. Not glamorous, but won't be a detriment to your team tactic, PLUS they bring physicality, late runs into the box etc.

I said it in another thread a while ago, but gags is basically a poor man's version of khedira/matuidi. A very poor man's version.

Hasan · Nov 27, 2018

Exactly, he’s too slow in taking decisions and when he finally decides what to do he’s not capable to execute.

varmin · Nov 27, 2018

nerazzurri4life said:
Look at Juve's midfied for example; pjanic, matuidi, khedira, can, bentacur. While those names aren't toni kroos/modric names, the technical level of these players assures that they can play their brand football no matter who starts, who subs in, or who their opponent is.

But this is current midfield of jube. After 7 scudettos in a row and known as one of the strongest in Europe, they can afford to build such a team. See their players 2 seasons ago - sturaro, Lemina, Rincon, Hernanes.
We are still not at stage to have quality depth on the bench when even we have to choose between Vecino and Gags for a starting spot.

YoramG · Nov 29, 2018

I'm assuming this guy is going to start on Sunday, and I'm also assuming he's breathing the biggest sigh of relief in his life realizing he doesn't have to play against Nainggolan. :lol:

Bless you Roberto, you got dicked on so often by Radja in the last couple of years.

dax21 · Nov 29, 2018

Yeah, instead he will get dabbed on by Zaniolo now.

Nyall · Dec 7, 2018

I hate you.

ElDiego22 · Dec 7, 2018

This match made me realise what a poor all round Gags is. Can't shoot, can't tackle, over 6ft but can't head. Kuzamanovic is one of the worst player I've seen but he is twice the player of Gags.

Atalanta robbed us.

Mad Biscione · Dec 7, 2018

We cant have players like Gagliardini at Inter.

Nyall · Dec 7, 2018

ElDiego22 said:
This match made me realise what a poor all round Gags is. Can't shoot, can't tackle, over 6ft but can't head. Kuzamanovic is one of the worst player I've seen but he is twice the player of Gags.

Atalanta robbed us.

We robbed ourselves.

They had two talents, we chose the wrong one. We should have taken Kessie.

Mino · Dec 7, 2018

this piece of shit gets paid more money than Tesla engineers and world famous surgeons.
that's how bad human civilisation really fucked up.

ElDiego22 · Dec 7, 2018

Nyall said:
We robbed ourselves.

They had two talents, we chose the wrong one. We should have taken Kessie.

Kessie is one of the Milan's best players and well on his way to be one of the best CMs in the coming years. Gags look Serie B level.

hitmax · Dec 7, 2018

him and mario are two of the slowest midfielders in the world you cant play them together.

chipschups · Dec 8, 2018

He is just inched away to be good player but then that probably need million years for him to reach that level, which not gonna happen.

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