2019/2020 Defenders Rumours Thread

Il Drago · May 31, 2020

CafeCordoba said:
Interesting information, I bit worrying about RWB spot. We keep seeing Candreva there (new contract rumored). At least the Firpo part is promising though I wouldn't value him even 20m€ given his flop season and Barcelona desperately trying to sell (buyer has the leverage).

I am a bit worried about RWB spot as well. While there are some rumours from unreliable sources about left side, there's nothing about right side apart from Chiesa. I don't think it's a budget issue else they would have been all over Meunier. I can only think of two scenarios. Either they have entirely focused on Chiesa and they're waiting for Fiorentina to drop the price or they're actually considering to keep Moses. Both scenarios give me depression.

Lui · May 31, 2020

Chiesa would be an absolute monster at RWB

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CafeCordoba · May 31, 2020

He would be totally wasted at RWB. Also I don't see his future as RWB, but as an offensive player in 4-3-3 as right forward. It's a waste of talent putting Chiesa to constantly press opponents and track back in Conte's wing back dog role. That's the main priority of wing backs for Conte. Waste of our resources also splash 50m€+ for a player to a position which isn't even his.

satubito · May 31, 2020

Looks like Rube have joined the Kambulla sweepsteaks. This went very quiet, fast. Maybe Zinho's potential return has us out of the running.

Lui · Jun 1, 2020

Chiesa is no better or worse at defending than any option we have at WB. He also fights like a dog and is dynamic in possession and counter attacking. If anything, Fiorentina's reliance in him has helped to round out his game. Considering how much defensive coverage we have with 3 CBs + defensively strong Barella and Brozovic, Chiesa would have freedom to attack and not be taxed with back tracking. He wouldn't even be used the way Candreva is because he much more skilled. Candreva cant dribble out of trouble, he cant defend, he doesnt draw fouls and his offensive contributions are wildly inconsistent. The more talent conte has the more flexible he can be with positioning and instructions. Maicon is a perfect example of how proper midfield coverage can allow offensive threats to push on without being exposed at the back.

brehme1989 · Jun 1, 2020

Chiesa would make a good RWB. When he's 32. That's in 10 years time. Anything prior to that is wasting his career and potential.

Capo · Jun 1, 2020

CafeCordoba said:
Question is who these quality wing backs actually are? And please, don't mention Cancelo.

Am i missing something? whats wrong with Cancelo, I thought he was very good for us and we should have redeemed him to be fair.

PHM1605 · Jun 1, 2020

Capo said:
Am i missing something? whats wrong with Cancelo, I thought he was very good for us and we should have redeemed him to be fair.

He is good but he has been overpriced. No one pays more 50m for him and ManCity wouldn't agree anything lower than that either, as he costed them 65m.

ElDuccio · Jun 1, 2020

I would like Hakimi

diamen · Jun 1, 2020

There are some names in my notes. Not all of them I rate very much, but they seem to be better than our current ones (or are nice prospects at least which can develop to be better) and there are some chances to buy them (listing Alphonso Davies, Hamiki or Renan Lodi seems to be pointless)

Left wingback:
Marcos Alonso, Emerson Palmieri, Filip Kostić, Junior Firpo, Bukayo Saka, Robin Gosens, Luca Pellegrini (owned by Juve, but seems to be doable), Theo Hernandez, Layvin Kurzawa, Sead Kolasinac, Nicolas Tagliafico

Right wingback:
Federico Chiesa, Emerson Royal, Youcef Atal, Hector Bellerin, Thomas Meunier (seems to be almost done transfer by BVB), Serginho Dest

So there are no many options, some of them are really expensive (Chiesa, Theo, Alonso) or are a bit meh (Kurzawa, Firpo).

I'm not sure if it's not better approach to find a youngster who can develop and give him time and have a short-term player as a wingback. The problem is that there are really mediocre players in Italy at this position and transfers from abroad are risky (maybe except Marcos Alonso).

Lui · Jun 1, 2020

I would argue that you're limiting Chiesa's potential by keeping him as an attacking forward. Great teams will continue to adjust and pocket him in to areas where he has no space to run and dribble, thus exposing his rather poor passing range. Candreva has often has quite a bit of space thanks to barella and brozovic, except he doesnt do anything with it.

Candreva Crosses · Jun 1, 2020

Lets all be honest. We want a fucking 4 defense formation.

Lui · Jun 1, 2020

Amen to that.

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RickyMaravilla'sRightFoot · Jun 1, 2020

Candreva Crosses said:
Lets all be honest. We want a fucking 4 defense formation.

I feel like 3 at the back suited the squad we had last summer, but now we're stacking midfielders and need to find ways to get them all involved.
The problem is we don't have any strong fullbacks in the squad either. And they would be needed to provide width in a diamond midfield.
I suspect Conte will at least experiment with 4 at the back, but it wouldn't make all our problems disappear immediately either.

Candreva Crosses · Jun 1, 2020

RickyMaravilla'sRightFoot said:
I feel like 3 at the back suited the squad we had last summer, but now we're stacking midfielders and need to find ways to get them all involved.
The problem is we don't have any strong fullbacks in the squad either. And they would be needed to provide width in a diamond midfield.
I suspect Conte will at least experiment with 4 at the back, but it wouldn't make all our problems disappear immediately either.

I'd spend all Icardi money on a good full-back. Hakimi lvl.

This would solve fullback issue and midfield issue.

Il Drago · Jun 1, 2020

Hakimi agent has made it clear his client will be at Real next season.

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Candreva Crosses said:
Lets all be honest. We want a fucking 4 defense formation.

Absolutely. I always hated back 3 formations. I would actually love not just a back 4 formation but specifically a return of the diamond.

ADRossi · Jun 1, 2020

I don't really care what formation we play, the problem is finding wingbacks of quality is close to impossible. As long as we have the likes of Candreva and Biraghi starting games for us we'll never take the next step.

Candreva Crosses · Jun 1, 2020

Il Drago said:
Hakimi agent has made it clear his client will be at Real next season.

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Absolutely. I always hated back 3 formations. I would actually love not just a back 4 formation but specifically a return of the diamond.

Idgaf about hakimi's agent. Show them the money and they'll come like the rest of this world. Just look at how football is starting again with Corona going on :lol:

And italy is going to play the game with audience? :lol:

brehme1989 · Jun 1, 2020

Funny how so many hated it back in January 2019 when I was advocating the 4-3-1-2 and now it's the go to formation of everyone

YoramG · Jun 1, 2020

brehme1989 said:
Funny how so many hated it back in January 2019 when I was advocating the 4-3-1-2 and now it's the go to formation of everyone

Honestly the arrival of Eriksen changed everything, I'd play any formation that features a CAM spot at this point.

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