Luciano Spalletti

brehme1989 · Jul 15, 2020

Il Drago said:
You're probably mistaking Agoume for someone else. Maybe Karamoh? Agoume officially signed Inter in July so Spalletti couldn't have introduced him to the first team.

Nah, I just thought he played last season because that's when the deal was concluded but yeah, he officially joined last July.

Karamoh was in Spallo's first season.

Wings · Jul 16, 2020

brehme1989 said:
If this was his second season, we'd be going for the Scudetto. But since the 2nd season included that disaster with PSV and whatever followed, the issue is null. You have to judge Spalletti's effect on the team, not how we'd do if he was around because there's a legit reason why he's still not around.

If Spalletti was brought this season, I'm pretty sure we'd still be in the Champions League now.

What? Are you saying if it weren't for PSV we would've challenged for the title?

varmin · Jul 16, 2020

CafeCordoba said:
Ridiculous discussion. The level of investment we've done during last year's time is completely different to investments made during Spalletti era. I don't understand how can anyone even argue this.

And I was totally for sacking Spalletti and still am. He lost the locker room so exit was the only choice. But twisting the facts is just something which needs to be cleared.

Ok, i'll try for last time to explain that shit. Twisting the facts is to say that we overspent for Conte and not backing up Spalletti. Most of the investments made for Conte were to replace quality players like Icardi and 9N. We bought Lukaku for 65m+bouses and Barella for around 42. The former is a replacement for a top striker like Icardi, who left. If he was replaced by some cheaper option like Milik, Zapata or Piatek, everybody here would have gone mad to Marotta for the "lack of ambitions". And quality costs more money. Another option is a well-known scenario when you replace Motta with Palombo and Eto'o with Forlan and Zarate. I've seen enough of that shit. The same is with Barella - buying quality to replace quality. Even spending 40m for him was miles better deal than Zaniolo + money for 9n.
So, Lukaku + Barella cost us around 110m. Who else? Lazaro, ok he was a poor deal, don't deny it but his cost was 23mln, definitely not in a "big investment" category. The next one was Politano and he even wasn't Conte's pick. It was gentlemen's agreement with Sassuolo decided before Conte's arrival, maybe even before Marrotta's arrival. the other players are a bunch of loanees and free agents - Biraghi, Moses, Godin, Alexis. Where is that "big investment"?
Let's take a look at the another myth - "Spalletti wasn't back up by the management in his second season".
Back then we got seven players - De Vrij - upgrade of Miranda. Asamoah - upgrade over Dalbert. Vrsalijko - should have been an upgrade over DD. Politano - upgrade over Candreva, Lautaro - back up of Icardi. Balde -back up of Perisic and also available as SS. 9N -the most wanted player by Spalletti. And who left that season -Santon, Eder and Karamoh. Wow, what a loss.
So, basically all weak areas of the team were updated with better players, we got some depth as well and cut some deadwood out, in the progress without loosing any core players. How Spalletti wasn't backed up by the management? Could you explain me?

brehme1989 · Jul 16, 2020

Wings said:
What? Are you saying if it weren't for PSV we would've challenged for the title?

No

Puma · Jul 16, 2020

I find the discussions on here about Spalletti quite interesting. Having said that I also find them funny and a complete waste of time.

I am not going to talk about and compare the amounts of money that were spent when Spalletti was at the helm and now with Conte. The only thing I will say is that management rightfully realised last season that continuing with Spalletti into the future was unsustainable as the team had gone as far as it could go with him as coach.

The bottom line with Spalletti was that he is loser and a coward and no amount of angling is going to change that. In my mind, that is the only assessment that counts when it comes to judging Spalletti. Setting up the team and playing for a draw at home against PSV was the height of his cowardice and loser mentality. There were a few occasions last season where the team went out to stifle and manage the game rather than try and win it. When you add his man management to the equation and his favouring under performing players, you get the shit sandwhich we had at the end of last season.

More than anything, I am just thankful that our management assessed and saw things as they truly stood and acted accordingly.

n4l · Jul 16, 2020

setting up for the draw? 66% possession, 23 shots, hitting the post, 2 chances within the first 7 min....yeah, playing for the draw :palm:

A disappointing result does not make for revisionist history.

also note and this makes me laugh the most. Valero, vecino, gags, politano...all of these players who are not even good enough to be bench players according to FiF for Conte, and are responsible for poor results under Conte, were starters for Spallo, and the same FiF expected them the get out the CL group and perform better in Serie A. It's mind boggling retardism :lol:

Candreva had to play CM in a do or die game ffs!!!

Puma · Jul 16, 2020

n4l said:
setting up for the draw? 66% possession, 23 shots, hitting the post, 2 chances within the first 7 min....yeah, playing for the draw
A disappointing result does not make for revisionist history.]

Neither do a bunch of stats which betray the fact we could not get the job done in front of our own supporters.

Il Drago · Jul 16, 2020

Puma said:
Neither do a bunch of stats which betray the fact we could not get the job done in front of our own supporters.

Also the fact with the score at 1-1 we subbed in Vrsaljko for Politano. Icardi equaliser came at 73th minute. But instead of going for a second we decided to lower the tempo and control the game hoping the result in Spain wouldn't change. Spalletti's sub just killed the game completely.

That being said, imo Spalletti did better than Conte in CL though in the end the result was the same. Qualification was within our grasp and that's why it hurt even more. We just needed 2 points in the last two matches with one of them being a home game against the worst team of the group. We failed. Massive choking. With Conte for me we were already out the moment we failed to beat Slavia. Since then we were trying to make up for the lost points and we never succeeded.

Puma · Jul 16, 2020

Il Drago said:
Also the fact with the score at 1-1 we subbed in Vrsaljko for Politano. Icardi equaliser came at 73th minute. But instead of going for a second we decided to lower the tempo and control the game hoping the result in Spain wouldn't change. Spalletti's sub just killed the game completely.

That is what was so horrible and indigestible about the draw with PSV: that Spalletti relied on other teams (the result in Spain) to get the job done when everything should have been done to try and beat them. He gave them too much respect and treated them like one of Europe's best teams in front of our own supporters which simply added injury to insult.

Essentially, we played for a draw, relying on results elsewhere before being eliminated. Honestly, even thinking about that today pisses me off.

What a fuckn cowardly cunt.

forzainter257 · Jul 16, 2020

Il Drago said:
That being said, imo Spalletti did better than Conte in CL though in the end the result was the same. Qualification was within our grasp and that's why it hurt even more. We just needed 2 points in the last two matches with one of them being a home game against the worst team of the group. We failed. Massive choking. With Conte for me we were already out the moment we failed to beat Slavia. Since then we were trying to make up for the lost points and we never succeeded.

can be argued..
the away game against PSV, I don't know if nfl agrees, but we were lucky the ref didn't show Samir red card when we were 1-0 down. Had it not been for the ref's generosity, God knows how the match would have ended.

we were complete shit in both matches against Barca, we drew the home game because we played too cautious, i.e. in coward style.

I can credit him for the home win vs Tottenham - that was a sweet victory, but were totally outplayed by them at their turf again due to the coward football.

Under Conte we played a very beautiful football. It's not solely my view, a lot of friends told me they very much liked how Inter played, many of them were masturbating to Lautaro's performance. Well all the media were praising how Inter changed positively under Conte .

Ignore the result and compare how we played against Barca and Borussia vs how we played against Barca and TTM.
I prefer losing but showing some character than earning a point while displaying a miserable performance.

Puma · Jul 16, 2020

Does anyone remember the game in London against Spurs? The worst part about that game is that we did not even go there to play. The whole team walked out on to the pitch as if they had shat in their shorts and did not know what to do.

I am sorry, but when I think about Spalletti, they are the games I think about. I guess what bothers me is that the team busted their areses to get into the Champions League on the last day of the season and yet when they got there, they did not give their all and allowed other teams to decide their fate.

Personally, I feel that a coach is going to play like that they do not deserve to lead a team.

It's also obvious that I am yet to get over being eliminated for last season's Champions League in that fashion.

n4l · Jul 16, 2020

I continue to laugh at FiF. It's so absurd.

So you have players like valero, vecino, politano, gags, even dumbo to an extent who aren't "good enough even for bench" for conte and gets continuously used as the excuse for why we are a little underwhelming over the course of the season and in all the big games we underperformed.

In the same breath you're saying that, you expected those players, under a worst coach, to perform better? To beat the CL finalist?

Sentimental bs. The same strategy was used against tottenham in BOTH GAMES. That is, to control the game, limit their spaces and chances. They literally scored 2 goals against us in 2 legs; 1 was a deflection. They only had 1 other legit chance (Harry Kane missed a 1v1). It took a mazy run and slight lapse of concentration on brozo for their 2 goal against us. The strategy worked in the first leg, it didn't the second. AGAINST THE CL FINALIST.

Fast forward a year and we go play Dortmund (not CL finalist level team, we have better squad, better coach, year CL experience) and go play sit and counter for 2 games. Worked in game 1, didn't work in game 2. Somehow the criticism is LESS

We go beat slavia playing sit and counter again but because the result was 3-1, it's all good and not seen as cowardice to do that against SLAVIA FUCKING PRAGUE?

Last game we need to win. At home against Barca who played a new formation for the first time (and never again i think) with a bunch of shitters and we get dominated and they win. No gross mistake like asamoah. No ridiculous missed chances like perisic. But somehow that gets LESS criticism than last year?

This has nothing to do with Spallo. Spallo deserved to get fired. End of story. This is about this really weird fetish that FiF has with Conte and somehow he is absolved of criticsm that others rightfully received. I see people talking about gags missed tap in as absolving conte but then don't absolve spallo for gags missing a tap in v Juve last season (1st game), or asamoah committing calamitous fuckups v PSV and Juve (2nd game) or fuckups by deV for numerous games?

The different standards for assessment are quite frankly laughable. And all of this because we had like 3-4 nice patterned counter attack plays vs barca 1st half, 1st leg :lol:

brehme1989 · Jul 16, 2020

n4l said:
And all of this because we had like 3-4 nice patterned counter attack plays vs barca 1st half, 1st leg

Which came as a result of the player FIF has a fetish on being off....

firmino · Jul 16, 2020

n4l said:
I continue to laugh at FiF. It's so absurd.

So you have players like valero, vecino, politano, gags, even dumbo to an extent who aren't "good enough even for bench" for conte and gets continuously used as the excuse for why we are a little underwhelming over the course of the season and in all the big games we underperformed.

In the same breath you're saying that, you expected those players, under a worst coach, to perform better? To beat the CL finalist?

Sentimental bs. The same strategy was used against tottenham in BOTH GAMES. That is, to control the game, limit their spaces and chances. They literally scored 2 goals against us in 2 legs; 1 was a deflection. They only had 1 other legit chance (Harry Kane missed a 1v1). It took a mazy run and slight lapse of concentration on brozo for their 2 goal against us. The strategy worked in the first leg, it didn't the second. AGAINST THE CL FINALIST.

Fast forward a year and we go play Dortmund (not CL finalist level team, we have better squad, better coach, year CL experience) and go play sit and counter for 2 games. Worked in game 1, didn't work in game 2. Somehow the criticism is LESS

We go beat slavia playing sit and counter again but because the result was 3-1, it's all good and not seen as cowardice to do that against SLAVIA FUCKING PRAGUE?

Last game we need to win. At home against Barca who played a new formation for the first time (and never again i think) with a bunch of shitters and we get dominated and they win. No gross mistake like asamoah. No ridiculous missed chances like perisic. But somehow that gets LESS criticism than last year?

This has nothing to do with Spallo. Spallo deserved to get fired. End of story. This is about this really weird fetish that FiF has with Conte and somehow he is absolved of criticsm that others rightfully received. I see people talking about gags missed tap in as absolving conte but then don't absolve spallo for gags missing a tap in v Juve last season (1st game), or asamoah committing calamitous fuckups v PSV and Juve (2nd game) or fuckups by deV for numerous games?

The different standards for assessment are quite frankly laughable. And all of this because we had like 3-4 nice patterned counter attack plays vs barca 1st half, 1st leg

Nobody has a fetish for Conte. The majority of the people here have no problem to admit that we expected more from him.

The season hasn't ended yet by the way, so it might still be a bit soon for judgement.

So far, we can tell this: with 6 matches left, we have just one point less than last season after the Empoli match.

In the cup competitions, we have done so far like spalletti's Inter, and it can become better than that if we advance in Europa League at least to the final.

Kramerica Industries · Jul 16, 2020

I mean, if we wanna play the injury crisis game as a partial-defense for what happened against PSV in 2018, then it's also worth pointing out that Vecino and Valero played the game against Barcelona because of injuries/suspensions to our midfield (I think Barella was suspended, anyway). We were hardly playing that game with our optimal lineup either, which is to be expected to an extent because teams don't remain 100% healthy, but we want to disparage Barcelona to an extent without acknowledging that even that B-team squad with nothing to play for was still probably a more formidable opponent than PSV (with similarly nothing to play for) was the previous year.

Regardless, as pointed out above, the cowardice against PSV wasn't in how we began the game. The cowardice came in subbing on Vrsaljko when it was 1-1 to try and see out the draw because it was done in hopes that Barcelona would hold onto the lead they had on Tottenham. We all know how that turned out. Spalletti was counting on someone else to do his bidding rather than trying to do what he felt he could to do it himself. I also seem to remember that being our last sub in that game, so after Tottenham did equalize, there was nothing else left to do. Just hope the guys we had out there could figure it out themselves. If Lautaro doesn't get underneath that header, they actually might've succeeded.

junior55 · Jul 16, 2020

Honest question....

Why people keep posting so much in this thread and not lets say in other previous managers threads ?
Did spallo actually do smth so extraordinary that we somehow need to cry over him for so long ?

And i am one of those who actually appreciate Spallo not because he is a winner or smth but because he usually fights honestly for his teams. That said i haven't thought about him in the last year for a second so i find it very strange the frequency of posts in here.

brehme1989 · Jul 16, 2020

- He's the previous manager.

- He never had this kind of financial backing.

- He inherited a shit squad that was lost. Finished 7th as people like to highlight for someone else, ignoring all other facts of course.

- He achieved his goal despite all that in his first season.

The current coach will always be compared to the previous one.

The current coach has seen the most enormous transfer kitty in club history.

The current coach has inherited a squad that reached CL twice.

The current coach seems to have lost the plot and is not on track with meeting his goal.

nurko · Jul 17, 2020

brehme1989 said:
- He's the previous manager.

- He never had this kind of financial backing.

- He inherited a shit squad that was lost. Finished 7th as people like to highlight for someone else, ignoring all other facts of course.

- He achieved his goal despite all that in his first season.

The current coach will always be compared to the previous one.

The current coach has seen the most enormous transfer kitty in club history.

The current coach has inherited a squad that reached CL twice.

The current coach seems to have lost the plot and is not on track with meeting his goal.

Also:

People like to bitch too much.

Il Drago · Jul 17, 2020

Kramerica Industries said:
I mean, if we wanna play the injury crisis game as a partial-defense for what happened against PSV in 2018, then it's also worth pointing out that Vecino and Valero played the game against Barcelona because of injuries/suspensions to our midfield (I think Barella was suspended, anyway). We were hardly playing that game with our optimal lineup either, which is to be expected to an extent because teams don't remain 100% healthy, but we want to disparage Barcelona to an extent without acknowledging that even that B-team squad with nothing to play for was still probably a more formidable opponent than PSV (with similarly nothing to play for) was the previous year.

Regardless, as pointed out above, the cowardice against PSV wasn't in how we began the game. The cowardice came in subbing on Vrsaljko when it was 1-1 to try and see out the draw because it was done in hopes that Barcelona would hold onto the lead they had on Tottenham. We all know how that turned out. Spalletti was counting on someone else to do his bidding rather than trying to do what he felt he could to do it himself. I also seem to remember that being our last sub in that game, so after Tottenham did equalize, there was nothing else left to do. Just hope the guys we had out there could figure it out themselves. If Lautaro doesn't get underneath that header, they actually might've succeeded.

People often refer to the Barcelona game as if they played with the youth team. They started with Lenglet, Umtiti, Firpo (Inter rumored target), Rakitic, Vidal (another Inter rumored target) and Griezmann. In the second half they subbed in De Jong and Suarez.

Harpsabu · Jul 17, 2020

Il Drago said:
People often refer to the Barcelona game as if they played with the youth team. They started with Lenglet, Umtiti, Firpo (Inter rumored target), Rakitic, Vidal (another Inter rumored target) and Griezmann. In the second half they subbed in De Jong and Suarez.

People also forget we were missing 5 players in that game too. It was far from our first team.

Luciano Spalletti

Where will Spalletti lead us this season?

Scudetto contender?

To a top four finish?

To the Coppa Italia trophy?

To an EL Spot?

Outside the European places?

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