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10 years of FIFLol its funny how this vecino debate continues year after year.
Guys just accept it that managers who play him are not retards .
Vecino has a quality which is running off ball , creating spaces for the others with his movement and also filling spaces in the box.
This is a great quality to have because it does require intelligence and stamina.
On the other hand he gives 0 when it comes to our expectation of a midfielder which is playing the ball , giving through balls to the attackers or even tackling for that matter.
On a solid team which has at least 4 quality midfielders , vecino can be a good 5th/6th option because it offers smth the others dont. Unlike Galgia who offers nothing.
Would i renew his contract though ? For sure no , but the guy deserves a salary in a good team
Guys just accept it that managers who play him are not retards .
Vecino has a quality which is running off ball , creating spaces for the others with his movement and also filling spaces in the box.
This is a great quality to have because it does require intelligence and stamina.
On the other hand he gives 0 when it comes to our expectation of a midfielder which is playing the ball , giving through balls to the attackers or even tackling for that matter.
On a solid team which has at least 4 quality midfielders , vecino can be a good 5th/6th option because it offers smth the others dont. Unlike Galgia who offers nothing.
Would i renew his contract though ? For sure no , but the guy deserves a salary in a good team
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10 years of FIFI wouldn't oppose renewing with Vecino if he indeed remains the 6th option. Vidal and hopefully Sensi leaves next summer so there is two new midfielders we need to add anyway. Midfielders who should go above Vecino in the pecking order. Another thing is will Vecino want to renew if he knows he's going to be a pure bench option.
The fact is he brings certain things to our midfield we don't otherwise have. Vidal is a bit of the same but he feels so much slower these days and Vecino is just so straightforward with his style. With our ball cycling and passing game, Vecino is not good at all though. Straightforwardness is his thing and he is good at that.
The fact is he brings certain things to our midfield we don't otherwise have. Vidal is a bit of the same but he feels so much slower these days and Vecino is just so straightforward with his style. With our ball cycling and passing game, Vecino is not good at all though. Straightforwardness is his thing and he is good at that.
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10 years of FIFWe don't need a 6th midfielder. We need to push a 4th midfielder to 6th, and dump the 6th. That's how to improve and move forward.
Enough is enough with the nonsense Gags vs Vecino debate. BOTH of them should leave. Anyone watching only highlights and praising his last match performance, please, watch the first half. Every time the ball reached this fraud, the game flow was immediately interrupted. One tap-in was NOT enough to neutralize his damage.
Don't tell me "but he is free". Better midfielders can be found for cheap everywhere. At least, find someone who is young and can improve. Not a mediocre-to-shit 30+, could sneak scarce goals here and there, but a ticking bomb waiting to happen for the rest of time.
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10 years of FIFSo you want us to buy THREE new midfielders? If you cared to read what I wrote, you'd figure out we need to replace Sensi and Vidal. Sensi for him being too injury-prone so he should be sold. And Vidal for his contract ending. Massive contract so he surely won't stay (we won't activate the option). That's our 4th and 5th midfielders. So you want to buy 2 new ones to replace these guys and then one to be the 6th in place of Vecino?
I wouldn't want that much changes in our midfield. Change is good, but too much changes is always risky business.
And, I tell you, he is free. IF Vecino accepts same salary and accepts pure bench role, I have no problems renewing him and having him as 6th option. Use the limited resources on those 4-5th options to the midfield we need to acquire.
I wouldn't want that much changes in our midfield. Change is good, but too much changes is always risky business.
And, I tell you, he is free. IF Vecino accepts same salary and accepts pure bench role, I have no problems renewing him and having him as 6th option. Use the limited resources on those 4-5th options to the midfield we need to acquire.
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Best Overall PosterSame salary? So you want the 6th midfielder to earn 2.5m net? Don't you think it's a bit too much when we constantly talk about cutting costs? For me unless he accepts to drop his wage at Gagliardini's level, Vecino needs to go.
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10 years of FIFYeah you are right. I got confused with my thoughts by somehow forgetting Vecino's salary level. Though the overall cost needs to be always taken into consideration, not just the salary.
With the current salary and after this season, Vecino's cost to the club annually would be 5m€. If we can find cheaper or same cost player who's better than him, by all means we should sign that guy. Maybe some free agent from abroad so we can use Growth Decree.
With the current salary and after this season, Vecino's cost to the club annually would be 5m€. If we can find cheaper or same cost player who's better than him, by all means we should sign that guy. Maybe some free agent from abroad so we can use Growth Decree.
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10 years of FIFThe reality is, we can't sell Sensi. No one wants to buy a broken vase. So it doesn't matter if you want him or not, he must stay, and he should be our 5th-6th midfielder. Same for Eriksen.
You say as if it costs a fortune to buy midfielders. Here is the list from last summer, cheap and better, from Serie A top teams alone:
Hakan (free)
Anguissa (loan+10m)
Zaccani (loan+7m)
Torreira (2m loan)
Koopmeiners (12m)
Bakayoko (2m loan)
List of midfielders with expiring contracts:
Zakaria
Kessie
Kamara
Freuler
Tolisso
Isco
S. Roberto
Grillitsch
Mkhitaryan
Witsel
etc.
Don't say I want them or not, just to point out your pool of choices are 10000, if you wanna scout.
So don't the "free" excuse makes no sense for me. I'd rather buy no one and bring Agoume back, rather than make panic extend. Renewing Vecino is like renewing Kolarov, makes more harm than good.
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10 years of FIFHakan was transfer fee wise free, but he costs Inter over 9m€ in salaries per year (+ agent fee of 3.5m€ spread over three years).
Vecino comparison to Kolarov is fucking insane to me. I'd almost say let's leave this here if this is your view. We are so far apart with our views so it kind of feels almost useless to even argue over it.
Vecino comparison to Kolarov is fucking insane to me. I'd almost say let's leave this here if this is your view.
We are so far apart with our views so it kind of feels almost useless to even argue over it.
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Transfer GuruWith the kind of financial situation we are in, the way to improve the squad is not to look to buy 3 new midfielders to replace our entire bench - if we do that, chances are we will replace mediocre with mediocre.
The way to do it IMO is to buy 1 quality 3rd starting midfielder, and move all other midfielders down the pecking order with the last choice midfielder becoming surplus. I guess this is what we tried to do with Hakan, but as I said from the beginning, he is too inconsistent to be a starting mid. We need 1 starting midfielder to play with Barella and Brozovic, and the likes of Hakan, Eriksen, Sensi, Vidal/Gagsy/Vecino (whoever stays) are ok for bench.
The only reason we need this new midfielder is coz Hakan is too inconsistent and Eriksen's top level career might be over (and Sensi is made of glass). If Inzaghi can make Hakan play with consistency this season, we can focus our midfield recruitment on talented, upcoming kids for the future.
The way to do it IMO is to buy 1 quality 3rd starting midfielder, and move all other midfielders down the pecking order with the last choice midfielder becoming surplus. I guess this is what we tried to do with Hakan, but as I said from the beginning, he is too inconsistent to be a starting mid. We need 1 starting midfielder to play with Barella and Brozovic, and the likes of Hakan, Eriksen, Sensi, Vidal/Gagsy/Vecino (whoever stays) are ok for bench.
The only reason we need this new midfielder is coz Hakan is too inconsistent and Eriksen's top level career might be over (and Sensi is made of glass). If Inzaghi can make Hakan play with consistency this season, we can focus our midfield recruitment on talented, upcoming kids for the future.
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Best Football PosterBest Overall PosterGetting Hakan had more to do with the urgent need of replacing Eriksen than improving the squad as a whole. There were no rumours about Hakan prior to Eriksen situation.
Regarding Sensi and Eriksen, they are two different cases. Sensi needs to go even if it's a free loan. If he stays, he can't be anything more than 6-7th option. We can't even count on him to be fit for half of our games. It's a bit similar when we had Recoba on the squad. If he manages to stay fit, it's great but we need to plan as if the guy isn't at Inter.
As for Eriksen, i believe we're going to have a much clearer picture about him come June (perhaps even earlier). Either he will be allowed to remove defibrillator and he can start trainings with Inter or defibrillator needs to stay, his career in Italy is over and his contract will be terminated by mutual conscent.
Regarding Sensi and Eriksen, they are two different cases. Sensi needs to go even if it's a free loan. If he stays, he can't be anything more than 6-7th option. We can't even count on him to be fit for half of our games. It's a bit similar when we had Recoba on the squad. If he manages to stay fit, it's great but we need to plan as if the guy isn't at Inter.
As for Eriksen, i believe we're going to have a much clearer picture about him come June (perhaps even earlier). Either he will be allowed to remove defibrillator and he can start trainings with Inter or defibrillator needs to stay, his career in Italy is over and his contract will be terminated by mutual conscent.
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10 years of FIFEriksen is most probably not going to play for Inter anymore. So he leaves but his costs were basically replaced by Hakan's costs already (as FIFA/insurances handle most of his current costs). Vidal will leave for sure with his big costs (close to 10m€ per year). And like said Sensi simply needs to leave. Il Drago explained it well.
So that is 2 midfielder spots we simply need to fill. This is the basis of my thought process why renewing Vecino might not be a bad idea. Some continuity is needed IMO. But as said, his annual cost would be 5m€ with his current salary (or actually it's a bit more since if we renew him, his book value is not amortized to 0 but it will continue being in our balance sheet). He might be able to fetch more salary from EPL, maybe. We could even try to lowball him with a lower offer. I doubt very much he'll get same money from Spain or elsewhere Italy.
I guess this all comes down to Vecino or Gagliardini. Selling Gagliardini would be more profitable to the club as we would get money in but then again his salary is lower.
So that is 2 midfielder spots we simply need to fill. This is the basis of my thought process why renewing Vecino might not be a bad idea. Some continuity is needed IMO. But as said, his annual cost would be 5m€ with his current salary (or actually it's a bit more since if we renew him, his book value is not amortized to 0 but it will continue being in our balance sheet). He might be able to fetch more salary from EPL, maybe. We could even try to lowball him with a lower offer. I doubt very much he'll get same money from Spain or elsewhere Italy.
I guess this all comes down to Vecino or Gagliardini. Selling Gagliardini would be more profitable to the club as we would get money in but then again his salary is lower.
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10 years of FIFWe know that, but for instance Barella has that style creating spaces etc.. but ALSO has a good touch etc.. to play in a big club you need everything.
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10 years of FIFWhat's the point of loaning Sensi out though? Not like he is a youngster needing game time to develop. If he is injury-prone, he is still so when he returns, nothing changes. Just to save part of the salary?
Basically we are paying him to contribute for e.g. Cagliari. Makes no sense. I'd rather pay for his (few) minutes for us. For a 6th midfielder you don't need half the games.
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10 years of FIFPoint is to not having to depend on him. Il Drago's point was Sensi probably cannot be sold so loan is the only option. He takes a roster spot too and if we can't depend on him (we certainly seem not to) he should leave, one way or another.
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10 years of FIFThere is always the option of keeping him. That's a shitty option but still, less bad than being the charity funding for some clubs (Cagliari and such).
Sensi is not a useless player like Mario or Dalbert. He is not a rotten apple like Icardi or Nainggolan. There is no point of loaning him, paying his salary, and wasting 5m per year for a worse player (Vecino).
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Most Improved MemberThere was rumour that PSG want to cut some cost and are ready to sell Rafinha. He could be cheap replacement of Sensi. We were linked with DVDB, so he might come on loan to replace Vidal. And Gagsi is basically the replacement of Vecino. If we need more depth, we can just keep Agoume here next season.
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10 years of FIFI'm ok with him starting and playing a few games here and there. Not ok with a new contract. We can let him walk and pick up a midfielder for free next summer. Plenty of options to be had that would be an upgrade over Vecino.