Lautaro Martinez

rfU said:

Could Lautoro do that vs Skrinair and Handanovic?

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Probably has done it several times in training I'd say.

Meh..Lautaro is a very good squad player but misses some quality of a carrier. Too slow, too inconsistent and can't hold the ball well enough.

We could (and should) aim higher. Or at least, bring a guy who is equally good and turn both into rotation options. One can bench the other when he is not in form.

Gaindé said:

Yes, I would. If we had a quality second striker to do the job he does right now.

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But how many teams have this luxury? Vini jr, neyamr, mueller, reus, correa, morata all average 10 or so league goals. I can only think of Mane who comes close to 15+, meaning either Lautoro contributes more than double the goals of his partner(s) or we ready 40+M for a high-level second striker.

Gaindé said:

By the way,. Lautaro scored against Courtois, Ramos and Varane, against Ter Stegen, Piqué and Lenglet, against Donnarumma and Kjaer, against De Ligt, Bonucci and Buffon, against Hummels, Akanji and Burki, I'm sure he could manage against Handanovic and Skriniar even though I think it's a weird way to judge a player.

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You said the goal is just Vlaho running in a straight line for 60 meters and kicking it at a passive Handanovic, I ask if Lautoro can do the same, and you bring up....



NEvermind lets just see how the season goes, starting tonight. Would be nice if he can force Inzaghi's hand and become our main ahead of Dzeko.

rfU said:

But how many teams have this luxury? Vini jr, neyamr, mueller, reus, correa, morata all average 10 or so league goals. I can only think of Mane who comes close to 15+, meaning either Lautoro contributes more than double the goals of his partner(s) or we ready 40+M for a high-level second striker.

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I might be dreaming but I think you just admitted that having a second striker who scores as much as Lautaro is a luxury that is very rare in Europe.
Again, I might be dreaming.

Gaindé said:

I might be dreaming but I think you just admitted that having a second striker who scores as much as Lautaro is a luxury that is very rare in Europe.
Again, I might be dreaming.

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The problem is that Lautaro must become first, not second stricker because Inter have no money to buy a proper replacement of Dzeko.

Gaindé said:

I might be dreaming but I think you just admitted that having a second striker who scores as much as Lautaro is a luxury that is very rare in Europe.
Again, I might be dreaming.

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It is and Dzeko is 35 yrs.

While you're being clever, what 15+ league-goals-a-season-2nd-striker do you have in mind to partner Lautoro next season and with what money?

rfU said:

It is and Dzeko is 35 yrs.

While you're being clever, what 15+ league-goals-a-season-2nd-striker do you have in mind to partner Lautoro next season and with what money?

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As I mentioned in the Player Suggestion thread Julian Alvarez could be that player. His price will be close to what Inter paid for Lautaro Martinez and he has the quality to be as good as Lautaro or even better than him in the coming years.

varmin said:

The problem is that Lautaro must become first, not second stricker because Inter have no money to buy a proper replacement of Dzeko.

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No, he doesn't have to.
You guys are the one who are set on the idea of Lautaro having to play as a main striker. He can do that when/if we ever get a second striker that can do the work he currently does otherwise there is no point. We can try to move our safe bet second striker at main striker when we get someone who can do the second striker job. Moving him to first striker because we can't afford a first striker would be retarded even for Inter standards. Buying a second striker that plays as well and scores as much as Lautaro is way more difficult than getting a proper replacement of Dzeko and it's pretty clear from the list Rfu wrote just two or three posts before.
If Brozo goes, if we can't afford a regista, should we move Barella there even though he is already one of the best in the league (if not the best) in the role he currently plays? If we ever get SMS, we can try to bet on a regista Barella but otherwise there is no point, imo.

rfU said:

It is and Dzeko is 35 yrs.

While you're being clever, what 15+ league-goals-a-season-2nd-striker do you have in mind to partner Lautoro next season and with what money?

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Who said that Lautaro is gonna play main striker next season?
You know if we went for Vlahovic, Zapata or Belotti Lautaro would have played SS, right? Same for if we kept Lukaku. You guys are the one who have a problem with Lautaro's profile. I think it's pretty clear that Inter wants to pair him with a physical striker. Lautaro absolutely having to play main striker is only in your head.
If anything the fact that you wouldn't easily find a second striker that guarantees the performances and numbers of Lautaro looks like a good reason to leave Lautaro alone and let him do his thing.

Not sure if the following remarks adds anything to this debate , but I think that strikers who have exceptional strength or pace or both are few.

Even by those standards, Haaland, Lukaku or Oishman are the technically the only ones I can think of which have both and fit this very high criteria.

Technically, Benzema and Lewadonski don’t fit this very high standard either but are the current best.

When I think of Icons of the past in Seria A, which didn’t have exceptional pace or strength, I remember Crespo, Shevchenko, Del Piero. I think Lautaro is capable of becoming better than the aforementioned strikers and already has developed a more complete game then them.

Also, by those high standards, Liverpool, Man City, maybe also Juve are operating without this exceptional high pace / strength striker.

Lol dude. I just meant that Lautaro needs to become a protagonist in attack, because Dzeko won't last long and we don't have money enough (for now) to replace him properly. We'll see who is right.

Jusef said:

Not sure if the following remarks adds anything to this debate , but I think that strikers who have exceptional strength or pace or both are few.

Even by those standards, Haaland, Lukaku or Oishman are the technically the only ones I can think of which have both and fit this very high criteria.

Technically, Benzema and Lewadonski don’t fit this very high standard either but are the current best.

When I think of Icons of the past in Seria A, which didn’t have exceptional pace or strength, I remember Crespo, Shevchenko, Del Piero. I think Lautaro is capable of becoming better than the aforementioned strikers and already has developed a more complete game then them.

Also, by those high standards, Liverpool, Man City, maybe also Juve are operating without this exceptional high pace / strength striker.

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I agree, Man City don't even have a real main striker, they are a high scoring team but have a lot of goalscorers, I think last year none of their players even hit the 15 goals threshold.

varmin said:

Lol dude. I just meant that Lautaro needs to become a protagonist in attack, because Dzeko won't last long and we don't have money enough (for now) to replace him properly. We'll see who is right.

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That's the thing I don't get, how is he not a protagonist in attack with those numbers? He outscores the likes of Muller....

PHM1605 said:

Meh..Lautaro is a very good squad player but misses some quality of a carrier. Too slow, too inconsistent and can't hold the ball well enough.

We could (and should) aim higher. Or at least, bring a guy who is equally good and turn both into rotation options. One can bench the other when he is not in form.

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You can aim as high as you like... in your dreams, but reality is another thing. Hell, even if we were bought by PIF there isn't that many SS that are better than Lautaro.

It would actually be easier to get a top CF and pair him with someone technical (as in dribbling more than anything) and creative but that probably won't contribute nowhere close to the numbers of goals of Lautaro, much less the constant running and incesant pressing.

But I would consider this, because one of the biggest problems in our team is the lack of creativity and the lack of ability of most of our starters to beat their man.

Sqnalkel said:

You can aim as high as you like... in your dreams, but reality is another thing. Hell, even if we were bought by PIF there isn't that many SS that are better than Lautaro.

It would actually be easier to get a top CF and pair him with someone technical (as in dribbling more than anything) and creative but that probably won't contribute nowhere close to the numbers of goals of Lautaro, much less the constant running and incesant pressing.

But I would consider this, because one of the biggest problems in our team is the lack of creativity and the lack of ability of most of our starters to beat their man.

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We don’t even need a better SS if Inzaghi does not do well enough in his 1.5-year-left. Imo he is just a stop gap solution, was chosen only because he uses the same formation as Conte. Until Marotta can find a world class coach available.

Just run away from this 3-5-2 and buy some wingers. Plenty of choice, easy peasy.

PHM1605 said:

We don’t even need a better SS if Inzaghi does not do well enough in his 1.5-year-left. Imo he is just a stop gap solution, was chosen only because he uses the same formation as Conte. Until Marotta can find a world class coach available.

Just run away from this 3-5-2 and buy some wingers. Plenty of choice, easy peasy.

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Switching from 3-5-2 to a system with wingers would require massive changes in the squad and investments we can't afford. If we want to drop 3-5-2 it makes more sense to switch to 4-3-1-2.

Il Drago said:

Switching from 3-5-2 to a system with wingers would require massive changes in the squad and investments we can't afford. If we want to drop 3-5-2 it makes more sense to switch to 4-3-1-2.

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If Marotta wants to build a reign with 3-5-2 Hakimi is the last one he should have sold. If you look closely to our last transfer market, we seem don’t really support that formation anymore.

- Dimarco is a leftback. Too slow for a wb.
- Dumfries is a rightback. Too clumsy for a wb, but defensively better for a fb.
- Correa, he is a SS but did play better if dropped deeper.

The first coach he aimed after Conte is Allegri, both at Juve and here. Who was flexible enough to use 3-5-2 at first and slowly built 4-3-3. Ofc it takes time to acquire enough wingers, that’s why it takes two years (as in Inzaghi contract).

I don’t think Insigne is a random rumour or we will give him huge salary just to play him out of his natural position. There would probably be a plan to change formation then we would see more “Insigne-bis”.

Gaindé said:

That's the thing I don't get, how is he not a protagonist in attack with those numbers? He outscores the likes of Muller....

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Because Lautaro is good at sneaking goals but is too slow and can't hold the ball. You want numbers? I can give you a better "protagonist" according to a statistics fan, Immobile:

- 21/22: 10 matches, 7 goals, 2 assists.
- 20/21: 25 goals, 8 assists.
- 19/20: 39 goals, 8 assists.
- 18/19: 19 goals, 12 assists.
- 17/18: 41 goals, 9 assists.
- 16/17: 26 goals, 5 assists.

Don't get me wrong, I don't vote to buy Immobile. I just show goal number isn't the only factor that makes a protagonist. Lautaro is NOT better than Mueller for instance. There are tons of other things besides scoring and pressing other strikers can offer but Lautaro can't.

Honestly, I don't know what to say other than in my opinion we shouldn't even have to discuss the fact that Lautaro is not only a protagonist but is also fundamental for us.

I just want to understand how a player can score 15+ goals from a support role and not be a protagonist. And that's only the objective data, the numbers, he does WAY more than score, how can anybody watch Inter play and say that Lautaro is a useless bystander in Inter's game ?

I don't think there is any point talking about this anymore lol. If what he does on the pitch isn't enough to make him a protagonist, I wonder how many protagonists there are in the teams and how the hell we managed to win the scudetto with all that useless bunch.

Let's keep sh*tting on our good players and bigging up other teams players

Gaindé said:

I agree, Man City don't even have a real main striker, they are a high scoring team but have a lot of goalscorers, I think last year none of their players even hit the 15 goals threshold.

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Man City have creative players on all corners of the pitch, even their goal keeper is a playmaker.

Gaindé said:

If anything the fact that you wouldn't easily find a second striker that guarantees the performances and numbers of Lautaro looks like a good reason to leave Lautaro alone and let him do his thing.

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Relax man, no one wants to sell Lautoro But going by our history, we need a main guy in attack. Even when we had cruz or eto'o or crespo or palacio we had a main guy. My current stance is that Toro will never be that main guy and gave my reasons, then added that Vlahovic is more suited to the role. Maybe I'm wrong, time will tell. That said, I'd like to reiterate that I'm a fan of and rooting for all Inter players (except gagliardini, fuck that puto!).

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That's the thing I don't get, how is he not a protagonist in attack with those numbers? He outscores the likes of Muller....

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Muller has mores assists than goals, thats his lane, to provide and create space for Lewa. Toro's primary job on the other hand is to score goals. So no comparisons are warranted.

Jusef said:

When I think of Icons of the past in Seria A, which didn’t have exceptional pace or strength, I remember Crespo, Shevchenko, Del Piero. I think Lautaro is capable of becoming better than the aforementioned strikers and already has developed a more complete game then them.

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I swear I hate FIF sometimes....did you just compare Lautoro to a Ballon D'Or winner?



Why, because he hassles defenders?

Jusef said:

Also, by those high standards, Liverpool, Man City, maybe also Juve are operating without this exceptional high pace / strength striker.

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Juve are struggling for goals, City play a very high-level offensive game compared to us and Liverpool have the very pacey Salah.

Gaindé said:

I just want to understand how a player can score 15+ goals from a support role

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Why does Lautoro have a support role? Is that in his contract?

Gaindé said:

Honestly, I don't know what to say other than in my opinion we shouldn't even have to discuss the fact that Lautaro is not only a protagonist but is also fundamental for us.

I just want to understand how a player can score 15+ goals from a support role and not be a protagonist. And that's only the objective data, the numbers, he does WAY more than score, how can anybody watch Inter play and say that Lautaro is a useless bystander in Inter's game ?

I don't think there is any point talking about this anymore lol. If what he does on the pitch isn't enough to make him a protagonist, I wonder how many protagonists there are in the teams and how the hell we managed to win the scudetto with all that useless bunch.

Let's keep sh*tting on our good players and bigging up other teams players

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These are where you are wasting your time on. Why do some of you always pull things to two ridiculous bipolar in the discussion? What do you expect us to say, "wow wow Lautaro is the best striker in the world, he is perfect and doesn't need to improve shit. GOAT already", like that?

No one is saying Lautaro is a useless bystander. No one is shitting on or hating Lautaro. Let's make it clear.

We just want Inter to improve in general, and Lautaro himself improves further, in particular. Because to me, unlike you, I expect more from him. Still only a 24yo and has a lot of time to learn. If he tries but can't have something, well, it's the time we should have to look elsewhere to strengthen the team more. We should not skip a squad-improver on the market just to turn Lautaro into an undisputed starter.