Real Madrid - Inter (7 Dec 21) [2-0]

brehme1989 · Dec 8, 2021

Ajesh said:
Reality check for those ridiculing Milan and Juves performance in Europe. You are in this together, either you rise or you all fall down. Either All Italian teams will perform well in Europe or every team will fall, There cant be a scenario where one Club in a League will do exceedingly well in Europe and other teams suck.

True.

It's a mentality thing. For opposition mostly.

Harpsabu · Dec 8, 2021

brehme1989 said:
The game was still on when I made the post. It was the 70-80 something minute.
Lineup is the players currently playing. A starting lineup, is the lineup that starts the game, hence starting.

Maybe the clue there was the comment in the same post saying that we outplayed them over both games?

So by both games, again you are widening the net to the starting lineup in both games.
You got the terminology wrong, it's fine.

I actually agreed with the sentiment of your post however. In the first half of last night's game, we completely outplayed real Madrid in Spain. That's progress. We should not have been going in behind. However, we did not come out in the second half at all. We looked flat as fuck.

I can't remember the first game fully, but we destroyed them in the first half as well. Then I think we were much worse second half again, but can't remember too well.

We just need to fucking score when we are on top.

Il Drago · Dec 8, 2021

.h. said:
you mean like the 2009-2010 CL where the other italian clubs got knocked out early (Milan - round of 16, Fiorentina - round of 16, Juve - EL)

its true that a stronger league does correlate with a better overall performance, a higher level of play, better rankings, etc.

Its not true, though, that you cant win it without other clubs doing well.

Juve also reached CL final twice when the league as a whole was at its lowest and no other team made it past top 16.

thatdude · Dec 8, 2021

Unfortunately I missed the first half where apparently we played pretty well before the Kroos goal. I haven’t even seen the Kroos goal yet, definitely saw the Asensio one.

From what I saw I think the analysis is pretty straight forward. In order to win matches like this you just need more. More belief, more difference makers, more composure, more everything. I don’t think we are light years away like some may think. However I know that as long as we keep selling talent every summer we will never reach.

I noticed a few people talk about quality and how we were technically outclassed. However, I think we actually suffer more from general lack of athleticism in the squad then lack of technical quality. The top teams in Europe have athletic AND technical players. When you look at the quality of athletes these sides have: Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Bayern, Madrid. The forwards and defenders in particular have pace. They all also have a DM but I think I’ve beat the drum on that enough.

We sold our two best athletes last summer because those are the types of players teams will pay big money for in today’s game. This team does have a core still, but we need some time and money to become a real competitor. The issue is we lack money so we have to be super strategic. I would start by looking for a fast CB, an actual DM, and a forward that can dribble with pace.

YoramG · Dec 8, 2021

thatdude said:
Unfortunately I missed the first half where apparently we played pretty well before the Kroos goal. I haven’t even seen the Kroos goal yet, definitely saw the Asensio one.

From what I saw I think the analysis is pretty straight forward. In order to win matches like this you just need more. More belief, more difference makers, more composure, more everything. I don’t think we are light years away like some may think. However I know that as long as we keep selling talent every summer we will never reach.

I noticed a few people talk about quality and how we were technically outclassed. However, I think we actually suffer more from general lack of athleticism in the squad then lack of technical quality. The top teams in Europe have athletic AND technical players. When you look at the quality of athletes these sides have: Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Bayern, Madrid. The forwards and defenders in particular have pace. They all also have a DM but I think I’ve beat the drum on that enough.

We sold our two best athletes last summer because those are the types of players teams will pay big money for in today’s game. This team does have a core still, but we need some time and money to become a real competitor. The issue is we lack money so we have to be super strategic. I would start by looking for a fast CB, an actual DM, and a forward that can dribble with pace.

Agree with all this, great analysis

vex · Dec 8, 2021

thatdude said:
Unfortunately I missed the first half where apparently we played pretty well before the Kroos goal. I haven’t even seen the Kroos goal yet, definitely saw the Asensio one.

From what I saw I think the analysis is pretty straight forward. In order to win matches like this you just need more. More belief, more difference makers, more composure, more everything. I don’t think we are light years away like some may think. However I know that as long as we keep selling talent every summer we will never reach.

I noticed a few people talk about quality and how we were technically outclassed. However, I think we actually suffer more from general lack of athleticism in the squad then lack of technical quality. The top teams in Europe have athletic AND technical players. When you look at the quality of athletes these sides have: Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Bayern, Madrid. The forwards and defenders in particular have pace. They all also have a DM but I think I’ve beat the drum on that enough.

We sold our two best athletes last summer because those are the types of players teams will pay big money for in today’s game. This team does have a core still, but we need some time and money to become a real competitor. The issue is we lack money so we have to be super strategic. I would start by looking for a fast CB, an actual DM, and a forward that can dribble with pace.

Spot on with this one. We kinda need to change our philosophy a little bit when it comes to our next purchases. Milan kinda did this approach with pioli, they have a lot of strong and athletic players, although they vastly miss what we have and that's technical ability and finesse. When you have both, then you are talking about a potential world-class team or a player.

brehme1989 · Dec 8, 2021

Harpsabu said:
So by both games, again you are widening the net to the starting lineup in both games.
You got the terminology wrong, it's fine.

But the post was explicitly made for the lineup of the time, since that's when we were looking pathetic.

All good, anyways

eduzee · Dec 8, 2021

I'm proud of our team. We look really competitive against Real Madrid, especially in the first half (Ivan had a great chance that was blocked). It was a joy to watch Inter play on the level with Real Madrid. Unfortunately we don't have difference makers like Real has (Cross, Modric).

Was watching Shakhtar-Real M at the stadium and goota say that Cross and Modric are just pure world class, so intelligent and technically gifted players.

It's never enough to see Inter vs strong sides like RM. Eager to see the R16 draw.

P. S. What a great third kid. Love it so much

We HAVE to win something this season to memorise this state of the art

PHM1605 · Dec 8, 2021

eduzee said:
I'm proud of our team. We look really competitive against Real Madrid, especially in the first half (Ivan had a great chance that was blocked). It was a joy to watch Inter play on the level with Real Madrid. Unfortunately we don't have difference makers like Real has (Cross, Modric).

Was watching Shakhtar-Real M at the stadium and goota say that Cross and Modric are just pure world class, so intelligent and technically gifted players.

It's never enough to see Inter vs strong sides like RM. Eager to see the R16 draw.

Not really, at least in my own view. I don't know how to elaborate it better, man. But I always have the feeling that we are missing some "x-factors", something really top-class.

When Real was handling their balls, they were extremely comfortable. Excluding careless moments, every pass was inch-perfect. Every ball-control gave their spectators a calmness that he would never lose a ball and suffer a counter. Their first-touch and movements were super tidy, like in the textbook.

Comparing to us. We played smoothly and created a lot of space, kudos to Inzaghi. But it looked somehow...clumsy. Whenever we tried to string passes quicker, to surprise the opponents, we surprise our teammates at the same time. It often took 1.5 touches for a should-be first-touch. We put ourselves in 50-50 situations all the time, and as the consequence, our chances had a low probability of scoring, unless something spectacular happens. Like Brozovic manga shot or Perisic bicycle kick.

When we lost to the top teams (Real, Barca-Messi) several times in a row, it is hardly convincing to say we were on the same level or only due to bad luck. But one level below. We must find a way to become more "mature" like them, I dunno. Maybe by playing CL 10 seasons in a row? Maybe finding a prime-Vidal somewhere, somehow?

CafeCordoba · Dec 8, 2021

I noticed the exact same thing. Real passing was smooth and compared to that, our passing is slow and clumsy indeed.

But STILL, we played well in the first half. And we played well against them in Meazza. It was the individual brilliance which gave them their wins.

Candreva Crosses · Dec 8, 2021

Can we get a poll about the barella part? Did he deserve the red card?

.h. · Dec 8, 2021

what's there to poll? Its a textbook definition of a red card. You might as well poll 'Do you understand the rules of football?'

Candreva Crosses · Dec 8, 2021

.h. said:
what's there to poll? Its a textbook definition of a red card. You might as well poll 'Do you understand the rules of football?'

The rules of football aint applied to all occasions hence why it would be fun to see what people think. But I'd also like it to be like your fantasy quote, imagine a football world with referees following the textbook to 100%. Utopia.

We could also add a poll "Do you understand how football works?"

Alex de Large · Dec 8, 2021

Of all the whole 180 minutes against them, we played better in all except when we were 10.

thatdude · Dec 9, 2021

thatdude said:
Unfortunately I missed the first half where apparently we played pretty well before the Kroos goal. I haven’t even seen the Kroos goal yet, definitely saw the Asensio one.

From what I saw I think the analysis is pretty straight forward. In order to win matches like this you just need more. More belief, more difference makers, more composure, more everything. I don’t think we are light years away like some may think. However I know that as long as we keep selling talent every summer we will never reach.

I noticed a few people talk about quality and how we were technically outclassed. However, I think we actually suffer more from general lack of athleticism in the squad then lack of technical quality. The top teams in Europe have athletic AND technical players. When you look at the quality of athletes these sides have: Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Bayern, Madrid. The forwards and defenders in particular have pace. They all also have a DM but I think I’ve beat the drum on that enough.

We sold our two best athletes last summer because those are the types of players teams will pay big money for in today’s game. This team does have a core still, but we need some time and money to become a real competitor. The issue is we lack money so we have to be super strategic. I would start by looking for a fast CB, an actual DM, and a forward that can dribble with pace.

Muller made some interesting comments today after the Bayern vs Barca game. Essentially in line with what I saw from Inter yesterday:

“Barca cannot cope with the intensity. Technically and tactically, they have it all. But at the highest level, the cannot match the intensity of the game.”

Universe · Dec 9, 2021

thatdude said:
Unfortunately I missed the first half where apparently we played pretty well before the Kroos goal. I haven’t even seen the Kroos goal yet, definitely saw the Asensio one.

From what I saw I think the analysis is pretty straight forward. In order to win matches like this you just need more. More belief, more difference makers, more composure, more everything. I don’t think we are light years away like some may think. However I know that as long as we keep selling talent every summer we will never reach.

I noticed a few people talk about quality and how we were technically outclassed. However, I think we actually suffer more from general lack of athleticism in the squad then lack of technical quality. The top teams in Europe have athletic AND technical players. When you look at the quality of athletes these sides have: Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Bayern, Madrid. The forwards and defenders in particular have pace. They all also have a DM but I think I’ve beat the drum on that enough.

We sold our two best athletes last summer because those are the types of players teams will pay big money for in today’s game. This team does have a core still, but we need some time and money to become a real competitor. The issue is we lack money so we have to be super strategic. I would start by looking for a fast CB, an actual DM, and a forward that can dribble with pace.

I think it's both moreso than one or the other. Name a player on our squad that can score the kind of pure-technique goal that Asensio scored. Calhanoglu? Vidal? Dimarco? :yao:

Maybe Barella if he had 20 attempts. Lautaro couldn't score that goal if he had 1000 attempts and our only player who can dribble past more than 3 training cones is Correa. Everyone else has to stop at one and pass backwards.

Likewise, as many of us have pointed out, name a single "fast" player in the squad? If this was FIFA and every player had a pace rating out of 100, I'd give Barella an 82 and that's it. Everyone else in our squad is a 75 at best. Even shitters like Milan have players like Tomori, Theo and Leao who possess legit elite speed but we eliminated any hint of athleticism from the squad (in terms of speed) when we sold Lukaku and Hakimi.

From a composition standpoint, our squad has balance. When you look at the individual, niche skill sets, this squad is ludicrously un-technical and un-gifted.

Dylan said:
Barella has been a shadow of himself for months anyway.

This.

I love the guy and I am NOT saying this as a knee jerk reaction to this one game, but he is not even half as good as some consider him to be. In terms of how good they are at their respective skillsets, I think even Brozovic is a "better player" than Barella.

And as you say, he’s been pretty shit for a while. Yet I always hear that "he's tired". Motherfucker please.

Alex de Large · Dec 9, 2021

Watching the game live i would say Brozo and Skriniar are our leaders. Can't believe he changed Brozovic.

Harpsabu · Dec 9, 2021

Just seen a stat, when real Madrid have kroos, modric and casemiro as starters they have won 10 games out of 10, scored 25 goals, conceded just 5.
I know they are old, but they are arguably still the best midfield in the world.

ElDuccio · Dec 9, 2021

For me this game goes on barella. Yes, we don't made much profit of the chances we had, no one was dangerous inside the box. But we had a really big chance with Barella and with that goal we would talk about a diffrent game now, probably. Then the red card destroyed everything.

SiamoNoi · Dec 12, 2021

Dylan said:
Barella has been a shadow of himself for months anyway.

Let's hope Italy will miss WC so he can have some break next season.

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