Alessandro Bastoni

.h. said:

I completely disagree but there's no point arguing it.

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Someone got the memo One of the craziest shit I've read on this forum. Liverpool not one of the best. Some rate them as the best and their form right now...

.h. said:

I completely disagree but there's no point arguing it.

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You can make your point and I won't respond to it. Just curious what makes you think they have had a better roster than City or Chelsea (or even Arsenal until 2018 and/or Man Utd from 2017 to 2019)

Best to do in the PL thread, though.

I simply think they have a much better roster than us. Pound for pound it's probably Skriniar, maybe Bastoni (though I struggle to see where), and one of our midfield who get picked in a joint XI tbh.

brehme1989 said:

You can make your point and I won't respond to it. Just curious what makes you think they have had a better roster than City or Chelsea (or even Arsenal until 2018 and/or Man Utd from 2017 to 2019)

Best to do in the PL thread, though.

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.h. said:

I simply think they have a much better roster than us. Pound for pound it's probably Skriniar, maybe Bastoni (though I struggle to see where), and one of our midfield who get picked in a joint XI tbh.

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I meant more in the sense that Liverpool isn't so much better on paper as opposed to Manchester City (or even Chelsea), but it's more of a manager's team. Remove Klopp and you have a side that doesn't look so scary. Their best player is Salah who wasn't really a world beater in Serie A and Roma fans were calling his sale a genius move as he kept missing most of the few chances they had each game and disappeared in most games against camped defenses. Yet he's a Ballon d'Or contender under Klopp!

I'm pretty sure Liverpool would be extremely willing to take Skriniar, De Vrij, Lautaro, Bastoni, Barella, Brozovic, Hakan (in this form) and Handanovic.

Forget the transfer market and the different replacement cost structures, viability assessments etc, if these guys were available for this season, they'd be trying to poach them all.

Mixed XI is complicated due to formation differences.

In a 3-5-2, I wouldn't even take Van Dijk from their defense. It gets tricky with the wing backs as individually theirs are a better fit but I'm not sure if I take Perisic off this team.
Three in the middle comes from us, with Thiago challenging the Hakan position when fit and he's not really fit very often. Even the bench choice gets to be Vidal and not Keita.
In the attack, only Firmino can play the 3-5-2 position, so their two main offensive players are out.
So we can only consider TAA and Firmino to improve our current season's side from them individually, unless Thiago is somehow free from injuries and regains form. And I'm not even sure if Inzaghi would use Firmino that much. He's just not there this season.

If we go with their 4-3-3, their attackers are the main players but the #9 is Lautaro, not Firmino.
Three in the middle, as before. They have no player that improves us. We have at least 2 that improve them.
Four at the back gets tricky, they have both full backs and then it's a toss with Van Dijk who has been off form for months now, but even if you put him there, the other center back is ours. And so are the next two. And I challenge that Bastoni could hold that LB spot but it's speculation at this stage as he hasn't really played much there apart from Parma.
Alisson is really clumsy and no one in their right mind would pick Alisson over Handanovic unless you're thinking about 2-5 seasons ahead. Presently, that's just it.

Best case scenario for Liverpool, 6/11 of their players are in: Van Dijk, Robertson, Arnold, Thiago, Salah, Mane.


They have us in CL experience, they're a more gelled team, coach is brilliant and takes 150% out of his team whereas ours is in unchartered territory. And that matters a lot in Europe. Our squad is on a similar level and if we had the experience collectively (individually we aren't lacking that much when you count World Cup, Copa America and Euro, plus the EL campaign) I'd call it a wash, but the Klopp factor is just too much to handle.


P.S: I responded because you were talking about something else entirely from the original point

In process of transformation to the CF...

This dude is in process of inventing a new position in football.

It reminds me of JZ's tracking back for Maicon's forward runs, however, it is Perisic's tracking back for a CB.

He is the defender, he is the winger, he is the playmaker, he is the poacher!!

Batman said:

This dude is in process of inventing a new position in football.

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He's similar to what Facchetti was doing, albeit in a different system.

If he can improve his offensive movement and Perisic wasn't around (ie, Bastoni was the flank player), I'm pretty sure he could be scoring 5-10 goals a season from the forward runs.
He can shoot as well, don't forget that.

Another solid performance at both ends of the pitch. Excellent! Just he'd get a goal.

brehme1989 said:

He can shoot as well, don't forget that.

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I'm not just basing this on his terrible miss yesterday but since when is he good at shooting? (I assume "can" here means good as anyone "can" shoot).

The man has a mean(?), accurate, pass in him. Not sure about the shooting though. And that's not to say he won't develop into a decent shooter since he's already excellent with his range on his leftie.

Mark my words, this man will be the next Ballon d'Or defender.

BOSStoni!

What a picture!!!

dazzling to watch. his technique is actually baffling to me

Finally all of our back 3 have gotten on the score sheet. I like the psychological pressure it puts on our opponents - any one of our players can score. It's pointless to man-mark just Brozo or just Dzeko. Gone were the days when Lukaku were double-marked and we're fucked.

NimAraya said:

BOSStoni!

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BEASToni !

This guy is Pep’s wet dream. He can use him as an inverted right-winger false centre back or something

lol making guy something. great player but just one good game does not make him a world class i bet next game atalanta he will be prone to mistakes and be invisible and here it will be bad game by him. it is just opponents next week he will deal with wingers not attackers

mala_lisa said:

lol making guy something. great player but just one good game does not make him a world class i bet next game atalanta he will be prone to mistakes and be invisible and here it will be bad game by him. it is just opponents next week he will deal with wingers not attackers

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He has been great all season bar first few games what the fuck are you smoking?

off course he was atalanta game worst game for inter and napoli. like i said it all depends on opponent.