Samir Handanovic

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

arsenal just spent £24m on Aaron Ramsdale and from what I've read, he's been quite popular with the fans, so I doubt they're going to sign Onana. Inter is also a bigger side than Arsenal right now (e.g. CL), so even if they were in for him, I'd expect we'd beat them to his signing.

Who else needs a keeper?.....

Your argument is ludicrous, its no different to 'no one wanted donnarumma therefore donnarumma sucks'. At the end of the day, you dont (unless you're PSG) just happen to pick up a starter-level GK on a bosman unless you need to replace the one you have. United have De Gea, Chelsea have Kepa and Mendy, PSG have like 30 keepers, Liverpool Alisson, City Ederson, Juve might be a possibility but they passed up donna, and they have other shit to solve. RM have Courtois, Barca have Ter Stegen, Bayern have Neuer, Milan had to sign someone last summer to replace Donnarumma

So, I'll ask you again, what big side needs a new keeper ATM? It's basically only Inter.

pupivn · Jan 4, 2022

.h. said:
arsenal just spent £24m on Aaron Ramsdale and from what I've read, he's been quite popular with the fans, so I doubt they're going to sign Onana. Inter is also a bigger side than Arsenal right now (e.g. CL), so even if they were in for him, I'd expect we'd beat them to his signing.

Who else needs a keeper?.....

Actually Juventus, Tottenham on top of my head need new keeper but they can delay that by one or two years to focus on other positions, indeed only Inter can offer him starting position right away. Ramsdale is good and Arsenal is happy with him.

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

pupivn said:
Actually Juventus, Tottenham on top of my head need new keeper but they can delay that by one or two years to focus on other positions, indeed only Inter can offer him starting position right away. Ramsdale is good and Arsenal is happy with him.

Juve could have signed Donna, but they passed it up. They have little cash, and if they had money, replacing Szcezney is low on their priority list against midfield and defense IMHO.

Tottenham is aabout to sign a contract extension with Lloris.

Onana is available the coming summer, unfortuntaely for everyone. Not the one after. Not the one before. This summer.

mala_lisa · Jan 4, 2022

.h. said:
arsenal just spent £24m on Aaron Ramsdale and from what I've read, he's been quite popular with the fans, so I doubt they're going to sign Onana. Inter is also a bigger side than Arsenal right now (e.g. CL), so even if they were in for him, I'd expect we'd beat them to his signing.

Who else needs a keeper?.....

Your argument is ludicrous, its no different to 'no one wanted donnarumma therefore donnarumma sucks'. At the end of the day, you dont (unless you're PSG) just happen to pick up a starter-level GK on a bosman unless you need to replace the one you have. United have De Gea, Chelsea have Kepa and Mendy, PSG have like 30 keepers, Liverpool Alisson, City Ederson, Juve might be a possibility but they passed up donna, and they have other shit to solve. RM have Courtois, Barca have Ter Stegen, Bayern have Neuer, Milan had to sign someone last summer to replace Donnarumma

So, I'll ask you again, what big side needs a new keeper ATM? It's basically only Inter.

comparing psg with real clubs. nobody would give donna money that kind to sit on bench but psg

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

mala_lisa said:
comparing psg with real clubs. nobody would give donna money that kind to sit on bench but psg

Fine, but irrelevant.

Which other big club needs a keeper right now? That he'd sign for over Inter. It's not a hard question to answer.

mala_lisa · Jan 4, 2022

intter should no even be looking a him that is a point. i do not wantt him here. he is ajax barca product t exactly for that. they drilled him to be extra defender no goalie

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

No, you said

>>>>you would think people would want him but nobody waned him aT all and inter comes thinks THEY GOT A STEAL/DEAL STUPID REALLY

So I asked who else is a viable option for him?

No one else is. That's my point. Your point makes no sense, there's no other big club looking for a goalkeeper at the moment. Juve at a stretch, but it'd mean agreeing a deal to sell Szceszney this summer before they'd sign Onana, and they struggled to get offers for him last summer when they were considering Donnarumma. Plus the impact would be ridiculous 'Yo, Szceszney, we're selling you in 6 months but please do a great job for the rest of this season'

So is your point that he's shit because he's an Ajax/Barca product, or because he's not wanted by anyone else? Because you keep changing your points

FYI, Onana conceded 0.75 goals per game in 19/20, Handanovic was 0.89. Of course this stat doesnt really mean much, different leagues etc and it'd be better to compare saves per 90 min, but I cant find that stat right now.

mala_lisa · Jan 4, 2022

yyyes he is shit and like somebodyy else said here GK from eredivisie are garbage because they train tthem as last defenders more then goalie. like barca as well

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

Well, I've never seen him play, we need a new keeper, and a keeper who can play in possession is something we've actually needed the last couple of seasons and I can see succeeding under Inzaghi, so I'm happy to give it a go.

So you admit your original criticism that he is shit because no one else wanted him was wrong?

mala_lisa · Jan 4, 2022

if he is not shit people would want him and now football uses data b.s. and probably they have analyzed a guy in and out and they all come to conclusion he is shit

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

OK, so back to that point

WHO ELSE WANTS A KEEPER????

No other big football club is looking for a keeper.

THATS WHY NO ONE ELSE IS AFTER HIM.

I cant make it any fucking more obvious than that.

mala_lisa · Jan 4, 2022

again why WOULD INER WAN SHIT /FROM A LEAGUE THAT NEVER PRODUCED A QUALITY GK SINCE VAN DER SAR.

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

This is such a ridiculous argument. You were the one arguing just days ago that we need to scout 'untapped potential markets'.....

So does the history of quality of a league matter for you or not?

Your perspectives are entirely contradictory and inconsistent.

Why the fuck did we sign a Slovenian goalkeeper from a country which has no history of producing goalkeepers?

You see? The argument is stupid. People develop in different ways. It's hardly like Icardi plays 'Barca football'....

mala_lisa · Jan 4, 2022

we are talking about ajax. i mean this visaus cycle is annoying. this is not unknown club this is ajax. and when did ajax produce any goal keeper north of shit. since van der sar.how man ajax school or barca school of gk do you see in top teams playing none

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

So what, though? When did Inter last produce a CB worth a shit before Bonucci? Probably 20+ years?

When did Monaco last produce one of the best players in the world? Thierry Henry?

Shit, when did Milan last produce a top class keeper before Donnarumma?

Your arguments are just ludicrous.

You edited your reply after I posted mine. Let me ask you this:

How many Real Madrid academy keepers do you see playing in top clubs? Or Inter, or Juve, or Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Athletico?

I cant think of any off the top of my head.

It turns out (drum roll please) most keepers develop at smaller clubs where they get guaranteed playing time from a very young age. Donnarumma is probably the biggest exception to that rule. I cant think of any others off hand. De Gea actually should probably be added too.

mala_lisa · Jan 4, 2022

.h. said:
So what, though? When did Inter last produce a CB worth a shit before Bonucci? Probably 20+ years?

When did Monaco last produce one of the best players in the world? Thierry Henry?

Shit, when did Milan last produce a top class keeper before Donnarumma?

Your arguments are just ludicrous.

You edited your reply after I posted mine. Let me ask you this:

How many Real Madrid academy keepers do you see playing in top clubs? Or Inter, or Juve, or Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Athletico?

I cant think of any off the top of my head.

It turns out (drum roll please) most keepers develop at smaller clubs where they get guaranteed playing time from a very young age. Donnarumma is probably the biggest exception to that rule. I cant think of any others off hand.

because they keep theirs. casillas , kahn. nauer and many more. i am done with this. much more better thing to do then argue with beginner when i comes o fooball

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

mala_lisa said:
because they keep theirs. casillas , kahn. nauer and many more. i am done with this. much more better thing to do then argue with beginner when i comes o fooball

So Kahn is suddenly a valid example but Van der saar isnt? BTW, Kahn is older than van der saar..

My point is about keepers playing today. None of the Man Utd keepers are from the Man Utd academy. None of the RM ones are. Barca's 3rd keeper is from their youth team. Same at Juve. Inter. Liverpool. Chelsea.

What big name playing football RIGHT NOW is from a big team academy? Donnarumma and De Gea are the only two I can think of. It's yet another simple question you're avoiding answering.

The vast majority of top keepers come from smaller clubs.

Yet again, you've proven you dont have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

CafeCordoba · Jan 4, 2022

Neuer is a Schalke product. Kahn is a Karlsruher product.

I don't even know what the argument here is but these guys were not Bayern products.

Also @mala_lisa you are getting infractions and then banned very soon in this forum with that attitude.

Also @.h. maybe you should give it a rest polluting these threads?

.h. · Jan 4, 2022

CafeCordoba said:
Neuer is a Schalke product. Kahn is a Karlsruher product.

I don't even know what the argument here is but these guys were not Bayern products.

Also @mala_lisa you are getting infractions and then banned very soon in this forum with that attitude.

Bingo, thank you.

Goalkeepers, more so than any other position IMHO, is about getting experience from a young age. It's extremely hard to break through in a big club as a goalkeeper. That's why most top keepers come from smaller teams/moved to smaller teams when young where they'd get reliable first team experience.

>Also @.h. maybe you should give it a rest polluting these threads?

If you want to move the posts over to Onana, feel free, Mala_lisa started it

I apologise for derailing the thread though.

Points do apply very well to Handanovic as well, though.

ADRossi · Jan 5, 2022

Well, that was a mind-numbing conversation.

"He's not good because we were able to sign him."

Samir Handanovic

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10 - Legend. One of the absolute best players in the history of the game (think Meazza, Matthäus)

9 - Icon. One of the best players in club history, and one of the best players in the world

8 - Great. A player of high quality that adds a lot to the team, one of the best in the league

7 - Good. A valuble asset to the team, one of the 10-15 best in his position in the league

6 - Above average. Useful player, but will never be a key player for a team

5 - Average. Completely average player. Does his job, but doesn't stand out

4 - Below average. Not a disaster, but would be better if we didn't sign him in the first place

3 - Anonymous. Will never be remembered due to the fact nobody expected anything from him

2 - Useless. Adds nothing of value, detrimental to the team when on the pitch

1 - Infamous. Awful signing, will go down in history as one of the shittiest Inter players ever

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