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He is the best paid player in our squad and hence he should be the best player in our squad. But he has not shown that he is the best players, yet.

So why then it is hard to find a goalkeeper who is best paid in the team? There were some goalkeepers who were best players of their team, like Buffon, Kahn, Cassilas and yet it's almost always the people who score goals to have the highest sallaries.

Maybe there is some reason behind it? Maybe the "best player" is not the only factor that make the sallary what it is ?
 

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And how do you measure if a salary is justified or if it is not?
I'm not currently saying that Eto'o is worth this money, or not, I'm just curious.

Well of course there is no objective criteria for this kind of assessment. But let's try to approach the matter this way: 11 million is an unbelievable amount of money when speaking about player's salary right? Now, in my humble opinion to deserve this it you need to work a kind of magic, for example creating victories out of thin air.

Example: like Ibra did - when we had a shitty match and couldn't get two passes right he did his thing and we won! And he did that regularly! He brought us countless points that we would never have gotten if it wasn't for him. And to my knowledge (I might be wrong on this one), Ibra didn't get this kind of salary right away, it was rather increased due to his merit.

Now, let's summ up what he has done for inter so far (mind you he already got pays 5-6 million up to now): yes, Eto'o scored a few goals (but Milito scores a lot more), he runs a lot (but we have tons of player that can do that) and is willing to play defense (we don't need more defenders). I'm sure some of you will have things to add t this list and its OK, but I am sattisfied with this. So far he has not really been special for us did he?
Add that to the fact that he is playing with us only because we (apart from City) were the only club who would be foolish enough to give him this kind of money.

With this in mind, I personally would not give him salary any highrer than Milito's for example. This kind of money has to be earned, not handed down this easily!
 

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Well of course there is no objective criteria for this kind of assessment. But let's try to approach the matter this way: 11 million is an unbelievable amount of money when speaking about player's salary right? Now, in my humble opinion to deserve this it you need to work a kind of magic, for example creating victories out of thin air.

Example: like Ibra did - when we had a shitty match and couldn't get two passes right he did his thing and we won! And he did that regularly! He brought us countless points that we would never have gotten if it wasn't for him. And to my knowledge (I might be wrong on this one), Ibra didn't get this kind of salary right away, it was rather increased due to his merit.

Now, let's summ up what he has done for inter so far (mind you he already got pays 5-6 million up to now): yes, Eto'o scored a few goals (but Milito scores a lot more), he runs a lot (but we have tons of player that can do that) and is willing to play defense (we don't need more defenders). I'm sure some of you will have things to add t this list and its OK, but I am sattisfied with this. So far he has not really been special for us did he?
Add that to the fact that he is playing with us only because we (apart from City) were the only club who would be foolish enough to give him this kind of money.

With this in mind, I personally would not give him salary any highrer than Milito's for example. This kind of money has to be earned, not handed down this easily!

Don't criticise Eto'o on these forums. He is a bigger legend than Zanetti and deserves to be paid $50mil a year. When a he scored 100 goals for us in a CL final you will regret saying this stuff
 

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With this in mind, I personally would not give him salary any highrer than Milito's for example. This kind of money has to be earned, not handed down this easily!
Everybody has their criteria, and there is no objective assasment of these kind of things, especialy by fans like us, who have no enough information. You've said it well.

Probably, there is noone on earth who would say that he deserves that kind of money. But don't you think it would be reasonable, to give him more time to say if it is justified (more/less) or not? Is 6 months, in which he was already gone for a month, a long enough period of time to judge him? Especialy a new player, who is new to the league ?

There is a reason why players, especialy those who proved their worth in the past, want their pay as a constant, and not basing on the way they play (bonuses).

You do know why we offered him that kind of money right ?

"With this in mind, I personally would not give him salary any highrer than Milito's for example."

What you said is impossible to do in practice, because the phrase you've said is on the ground of this day. Today. Not 6 months prior.

How would you know how player would do in the future? If our management would have this kind of power, we would make only good/best deals, and we wouldn't sign any player who would be a failure.
 

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Probably, there is noone on earth who would say that he deserves that kind of money. But don't you think it would be reasonable, to give him more time to say if it is justified (more/less) or not? Is 6 months, in which he was already gone for a month, a long enough period of time to judge him? Especialy a new player, who is new to the league?

I am ready to give him a chance even though I didn't want him here in the first place (there may lay my hypothetical prejudice) because I thought he was not the player our team needs. I still think so, and frankly I can't see any way that he could rise to Ibra's level of usefulness for us.

"With this in mind, I personally would not give him salary any higher than Milito's for example."

This is true, but in stead of Milito, I may have put just as easily Zanetti, Cesar, Maicon or any other player that has proven his worth to the squad. Now I realize this is not the way it works in practice but the thing is, players are rarely given contracts that large, especially in their first year. He should have gotten 4 year long 5-6 million per year contract and if proven his worth he should be entitled to ask for a pay rise (like Maicon did). That is the only sensible way to do this!
And yes, of course he would like his pay to be a constant but the management is there not to let him get whatever he wants. If he is not prepared to prove himself to his new employers there's a bad sign for the management right there...

So in conclusion, even though I know that our management 'likes' giving bigger salaries to their players, this one is just out of line for me. I consider it a great mistake on their part, as for now, even if we wanted to offload him there will not be many clubs that would want him due to his financial demands...
 

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Luka I love your "we are only fans, who don't know what's really going on with the club" message you preach.
 

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I am ready to give him a chance even though I didn't want him here in the first place (there may lay my hypothetical prejudice) because I thought he was not the player our team needs. I still think so, and frankly I can't see any way that he could rise to Ibra's level of usefulness for us.
Let me ask you this. Say you're Moratti for one second, and you have to make a choice:

You can either sell Ibrahimovic, get 50 milion, Eto'o, spend this money on players like Sneijder, Milito, Motta, Lucio, but at the same time you have to offer Eto'o maybe more money than you would like to, or you can leave Ibrahimovic here who is not particularly happy to stay as if he was to go, and because you don't have the money from Ibrahimovic sale, you can't buy a trequartista Jose wants.

What you do?

I know it's very IF question, and it's just hypothetical, but can't this be the truth, or close to truth, or one of the possible scenarios ? It isn't that hard to believe that that could be the case.

I don't know, Hal doesn't know, but this is a difference between people like us, and people who comment on these things very easily. We know we don't know have enough information to comment strongly about those things, while other people act as if they do.

What I do constantly, is try to show people, that sometimes they just look at things from a very shallow perspective, and they do not try to look at the whole picture. They don't try to think "outside the box", they just look at the easiest explanation that comes to mind.

I got one example for you. Say you are standing behind the door, you hear people screaming and shouting, you walk in the door and see a girl that is hurt, and you see a guy. In most of the cases you will assume that the guy did something wrong. That's kinda our "fans" situation, when we look at the transfers, at contract negotiations etc. We don't know what's going on behind the door, although we know some part of the story.

BUT if you are IN this room, if you hear exactly what they are shouting about, you could change your opinion. Maybe the guy was just deffending himself ? Maybe he is not the cuplrit of this situation ?

The information that you have, or you don't have, can change your opinion dramaticly. That's my point when I always speak about those things.

We as fans do not know many (especialy financial) aspects of our club, so how can we judge objectively on these aspects of our club ?

Luka I love your "we are only fans, who don't know what's really going on with the club" message you preach.
Is it so hard to understand my point of view ?

If you see a smoke, behind a mountain, you only see one fraction of what is really going on, you don't see the whole picture. Do you? Most of people would say, it is fire, and sure in most cases they would be correct, but it doesn't mean that it is also true in this particular case.

We as fans see players on the field, and that to me is one of the things we have close to whole picture, and we can objectivly comment about.

If someone doesn't see our players in training however, how they can be mad for example for not giving a chance to some particular player? How do they know if the player deserves this chance, if the player is working as hard as the others ? And yet, you see many people like that all over the world, on all message boards.

I'm just trying to be reasonable, nothing else. Have you seen me telling someone commenting on the players performances, or the games to just "shut up, because only the coach can comment on that" ? No. We see the players performing, and although it's not the whole picture, as the ones that watch the game live because we see only what the cameras show us, it is probably like 90% of the picture we need (especialy for offensive players). So it is perfectly fair to comment on that.
 
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Don't criticise Eto'o on these forums. He is a bigger legend than Zanetti and deserves to be paid $50mil a year. When a he scored 100 goals for us in a CL final you will regret saying this stuff

i know this is sarcasm and youre trying to be funny but god when i read that etoo is bigger legend than zanettis i just felt bad and wanted to punch something

there should be a rule in these forums that no one puts zanettis name in a sarcastic way

:nono:
 

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I already explained why Eto'o gets what he gets now. No one ever said that he is better than Milito or that ANY players deserves 10 million a year...BUT his salary was already close to 6 or 7 when he was at Barca, and if he were to have extended that deal he would have get nearly the same he would be getting with us. Keeping that in mind, when he was being sold, any club that would have got Eto'o woud have had to pay the 10 mill we are paying now, its not something that we are doing because we want to really. Last thing is that he is arguably still one of the best strikers in the world, won 2 CLs in which he scored in these 2 finals...he demnaded 10 mill and the club was willing to meet these demands. We havent rought him here for Serie A but we did mainly get him here for the CL and we will see what he does in the knockout stages, compared to Zlatan who did absolutely nothing.
 

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As long as we are hypothetical we can presume that the deal would go through because Barca reeeeally wanted Zlatan, and he reeeeally wanted to go therefore I believe the solution would be found in another way, by selling Eto'o to some other team (but I doubt it anyone would grant him such a salary) and using the money to pay off Ibra or whatever, there are millions of hypotheses.

Look, I respect you as you always seem to try to understand things and then comment on them, but in this case you are hiding behind a silly argument that says "you don't know all of the facts so don't critisize"; it's just absurd man. Of course none of us has all the information, if only the ones that do would be allowed to comment there would be no forums like this, or practically of any kind for that matter. If I'm not mistaken we are here to discuss thing how we see them, and to have 'debates' such as this, don't you agree? Besides, one might argue that you can't even believe the thing you see or hear because they can be misleading as well, but that's another matter :)
 

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Well I'd hardly say that player's pay rise from 6-7 million to 11 is normal, like you try to make it out to be. And no way Barca would give him that kind of money, they assessed he was not really worth it so they sold him. And no other club besides Man City and us would give him that much salary, of that I am certain.
 

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Is it so hard to understand my point of view ?

No, I wasn't being sarcastic for once. I really do agree with that message. I think as fans we shouldn't have hardline views when we don't know what's actually going on behind the scenes.
 

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I am not sure about his salary before, also isnt it 10 now?
 

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I thought Eto'o was getting paid $8mil before. Pep actually tried to get rid of Eto'o when he first came in (along with Dino & Deco.) However when Eto'o was put on the market the only club that showed serious interest was an Uzbeki side. Hence Pep was forced to keep Eto'o for another season.
 

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We aren't paying more to Eto'o because he is a better player than others.
Club likes to pay the smallest possible to attract/hold players, and it just costed more for us to attract Eto'o than normal serie A players or RM rejects.
 

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THE BIG PICTURE

eto'o is earning as much -if not less- than what ibrahimovic was being paid before being sold

if we kept ibra we wouldn't have gotten sneijder

we only got eto'o because ibra wanted to leave and we didn't want to let him go, so the only way we could have sold him to barca is if they offered eto'o which they did

the deal is beneficial to both parties because both strikers were unhappy and baca get a technical forward and we get a shitload of money

the only reason eto'o is being paid 10m is because he wouldn't agree to the switch unless he be paid as much as ibra

and if you ask me sneijder and eto'o >>>>>> ibrahimovic, so stop bringing up the damn salary because i would pay 10m any day of the year to achieve the improvement we had post-ibra because IT WAS WORTH IT
 

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Yes but you forget we are paying 10 million A YEAR. That comes up to 40 million for his entire contract right? That's almost the (as you say, shit load of) money that we got for Ibra in the first place.
 

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Yes but you forget we are paying 10 million A YEAR. That comes up to 40 million for his entire contract right? That's almost the (as you say, shit load of) money that we got for Ibra in the first place.

it also means that we would pay the same amount if ibra was still here
 
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