José "The Special One" Mourinho

Harpsabu · Jan 12, 2022

Jose Mourinho personally calls Tammy Abraham as Chelsea accept transfer bid from Roma - but Arsenal 'still in race' - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15868285/tammy-abraham-mourinho-call-roma-transfer/amp/

Talking about Roma signings, mourinho personally wanted a lot of them, like Abraham.

If they bust that's on Jose. He spent a massive investment chasing those players.

He's what, the highest or second highest paid coach in the league. I'm absolutely certain he has a strong say in transfers. Mhiki, Jose asked him to stay. And for his wages, Roma should be doing better than they are.

Jose Mourinho 'offers new deal' to Henrikh Mkhitaryan to extend his stay at Roma - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...deal-Henrikh-Mkhitaryan-extend-stay-Roma.html

I think you are giving Jose slack you wouldn't give a lot of other managers brehme.

Wings · Jan 12, 2022

brehme1989 said:
You're also talking about coaches at winning teams, want to see what Klopp was saying when he joined Liverpool? He wanted EVERYONE who hadn't been part of a winning squad the 3 previous seasons gone. All of them. That included club legend Gerrard... He publicly said that players that have been part of losing squads were unsaveable. And he was partly right. Those with hunger remained and secured their spot. Everyone else was replaced. And now Liverpool is winning.

Gerrard left before Klopp arrived.

kurt0411 · Jan 12, 2022

We really got a blessing in disguise that Jose had already accepted the Roma job before Conte left, although then again I doubt Marotta would have picked him still. And thank god we picked Conte over Jose back in 2019 as well.

brehme1989 · Jan 12, 2022

Wings said:
Gerrard left before Klopp arrived.

True. It happened the same season which is why I thought he was included. Still, he called out the squad as mentally weak and unable to succeed with that mental weakness of not winning around them.

brehme1989 · Jan 12, 2022

Harpsabu said:
Jose Mourinho personally calls Tammy Abraham as Chelsea accept transfer bid from Roma - but Arsenal 'still in race' - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15868285/tammy-abraham-mourinho-call-roma-transfer/amp/

Talking about Roma signings, mourinho personally wanted a lot of them, like Abraham.

If they bust that's on Jose. He spent a massive investment chasing those players.

He's what, the highest or second highest paid coach in the league. I'm absolutely certain he has a strong say in transfers. Mhiki, Jose asked him to stay. And for his wages, Roma should be doing better than they are.

Jose Mourinho 'offers new deal' to Henrikh Mkhitaryan to extend his stay at Roma - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...deal-Henrikh-Mkhitaryan-extend-stay-Roma.html

I think you are giving Jose slack you wouldn't give a lot of other managers brehme.

The Sun?
The Mirror?

Come on, man.

Sure Mourinho called up Abraham, he calls everyone his team is about to sign up. What did you want him to tell them? I don't want him, I'm not going to use him? If your company hires a subordinate for you, would you protest and tell them that you're not going to assign him any jobs?

You think Abraham was Roma's priority? Let alone Mourinho's?

On Mkhitaryan, the player wanted to stay and the main reason from Roma's side was that they had no funds to replace him and buy the other 7 players that Mourinho wanted and he's had a decent season. And it's not like he hates the guy, he just didn't think he was good enough for Manchester United. He's good enough for Roma, anyways, but the thing is, Mourinho had poor relations with the guy already and I suppose they patched things up already. But if he was asked if he wanted to keep the guy or search for an upgrade, do you think he'd say keep him?

You think Mkhitaryan staying was Mourinho's priority?

You think Shomurodov was Roma's priority?
You realize that Mourinho is using a 17 year old kid over him? He's also using two other kids a bit (Darboe and that Polish kid) over players that were supposed to be his signings. If there was an adequate center back, he'd be using him as well, but there's not and he's stuck with Smalling and/or Kumbulla. They brought a right back from the USA for no reason, and now they loaned that Niles character from Arsenal to replace him.

You're acting as if this is a team that Mourinho specifically asked for, as if Roma was a CL contender and Mourinho ruined it.

Would you accept Roma's mercato to replace our allegedly weak mercato? Yes, or no?

No Dzeko, no Correa, no Hakan, no Dumfries . Instead we end up with Abraham, Shomurodov, Rui Patricio, Kumbulla, Vina, Ibanez and let's say Mkhtaryan for the sake of not saying Reynolds... Yes or no?

Harpsabu · Jan 12, 2022

brehme1989 said:
The Sun?
The Mirror?

Come on, man.

Sure Mourinho called up Abraham, he calls everyone his team is about to sign up. What did you want him to tell them? I don't want him, I'm not going to use him? If your company hires a subordinate for you, would you protest and tell them that you're not going to assign him any jobs?

You think Abraham was Roma's priority? Let alone Mourinho's?

On Mkhitaryan, the player wanted to stay and the main reason from Roma's side was that they had no funds to replace him and buy the other 7 players that Mourinho wanted and he's had a decent season. And it's not like he hates the guy, he just didn't think he was good enough for Manchester United. He's good enough for Roma, anyways, but the thing is, Mourinho had poor relations with the guy already and I suppose they patched things up already. But if he was asked if he wanted to keep the guy or search for an upgrade, do you think he'd say keep him?

You think Mkhitaryan staying was Mourinho's priority?

You think Shomurodov was Roma's priority?
You realize that Mourinho is using a 17 year old kid over him? He's also using two other kids a bit (Darboe and that Polish kid) over players that were supposed to be his signings. If there was an adequate center back, he'd be using him as well, but there's not and he's stuck with Smalling and/or Kumbulla. They brought a right back from the USA for no reason, and now they loaned that Niles character from Arsenal to replace him.

You're acting as if this is a team that Mourinho specifically asked for, as if Roma was a CL contender and Mourinho ruined it.

Would you accept Roma's mercato to replace our allegedly weak mercato? Yes, or no?

No Dzeko, no Correa, no Hakan, no Dumfries . Instead we end up with Abraham, Shomurodov, Rui Patricio, Kumbulla, Vina, Ibanez and let's say Mkhtaryan for the sake of not saying Reynolds... Yes or no?

kumbulla was last season, not a Jose signing. So was ibanez and he's actually a good player. Vina is also decent and he's much better than bruno pères who fonseca had to use a lot last year.

Jose has a say in these transfers. If he doesn't want the players he can say no to the transfer. He's one of, if nit the most expensive coach in romas history, I'm sure he has a large say in transfers.

If he didn't want Tammy, why would he phone him to accept romas proposal over arsenal's or any other clubs? That sounds like Jose wanted him a lot to me. Not every new signings gets calls to persuade him. Eldor, again I'm sure Jose had a say but you said specifically about Tammy being shite but Tammy was chased by mourinho. And yes, Tammy is a record signing for Roma so I'm sure he was both their priorities

Also I know the sources are shit, the first links I clicked on because I'm working. But there are many others reporting the same.
Another
Abraham reveals how Mourinho convinced him to snub Arsenal for Roma - https://www.teamtalk.com/news/tammy...urinho-convinced-him-to-snub-arsenal-for-roma

I mean by your own logic if Jose didn't want him, he's made a balls of it by phoning him and convincing him to move. Would have been a blessing if he let arsenal take him, if Jose didn't want him as you say.

brehme1989 · Jan 12, 2022

You realize you're neglecting that Abraham was last resort for Roma and Mourinho just did his part? You realize that he also talked with Eldor and in general this is something that's on the manager's job description these days? Did Mourinho specifically tell Roma that "without Tammy we're screwed"? Did he say "sign him at all costs?". Whether he rates him or not is a different story, he didn't demand the player and he definitely didn't say instead of the 8 players I wanted, spend half the budget on this kid, unless you think he did... The alternative for Mourinho was to work with Borja Mayoral and find a free agent striker or a cheap loan at the end of the window.

I highlighted the defenders incoming because that's like 30% of the budget that Mourinho is alleged to have spent already, as if Mourinho is a real life FM player. The other 40% is freaking Tammy. That's a fucked up situation I wouldn't want to be in.

Are you also going to say that Inzaghi insisted to sign Hakan? And Dzeko? And Dumfries? Were those "Simone Inzaghi signings", yes or no? Simone did call Dzeko before we signed him, just fyi. I mean, you obviously should know the answer here but I'm willing to listen to the wrong one.

Answer me the question, please.
Would you trade mercatos with Roma? Would you want ANY of those players at Inter? Does any of those players even warrant minutes at Inter?

varmin · Jan 12, 2022

brehme1989 said:
You realize you're neglecting that Abraham was last resort for Roma and Mourinho just did his part? You realize that he also talked with Eldor and in general this is something that's on the manager's job description these days? Did Mourinho specifically tell Roma that "without Tammy we're screwed"? Did he say "sign him at all costs?". Whether he rates him or not is a different story, he didn't demand the player and he definitely didn't say instead of the 8 players I wanted, spend half the budget on this kid, unless you think he did... The alternative for Mourinho was to work with Borja Mayoral and find a free agent striker or a cheap loan at the end of the window.

I highlighted the defenders incoming because that's like 30% of the budget that Mourinho is alleged to have spent already, as if Mourinho is a real life FM player. The other 40% is freaking Tammy. That's a fucked up situation I wouldn't want to be in.

Are you also going to say that Inzaghi insisted to sign Hakan? And Dzeko? And Dumfries? Were those "Simone Inzaghi signings", yes or no? Simone did call Dzeko before we signed him, just fyi. I mean, you obviously should know the answer here but I'm willing to listen to the wrong one.

Answer me the question, please.
Would you trade mercatos with Roma? Would you want ANY of those players at Inter? Does any of those players even warrant minutes at Inter?

If he didn't want Abraham, he could have said big NO, and got Pinamonti for 20mln instead. I'm pretty sure that Marotta would have agreed to sell such a talent for only 20 mln.

Harpsabu · Jan 12, 2022

brehme1989 said:
You realize you're neglecting that Abraham was last resort for Roma and Mourinho just did his part? You realize that he also talked with Eldor and in general this is something that's on the manager's job description these days? Did Mourinho specifically tell Roma that "without Tammy we're screwed"? Did he say "sign him at all costs?". Whether he rates him or not is a different story, he didn't demand the player and he definitely didn't say instead of the 8 players I wanted, spend half the budget on this kid, unless you think he did... The alternative for Mourinho was to work with Borja Mayoral and find a free agent striker or a cheap loan at the end of the window.

I highlighted the defenders incoming because that's like 30% of the budget that Mourinho is alleged to have spent already, as if Mourinho is a real life FM player. The other 40% is freaking Tammy. That's a fucked up situation I wouldn't want to be in.

Are you also going to say that Inzaghi insisted to sign Hakan? And Dzeko? And Dumfries? Were those "Simone Inzaghi signings", yes or no? Simone did call Dzeko before we signed him, just fyi. I mean, you obviously should know the answer here but I'm willing to listen to the wrong one.

Answer me the question, please.
Would you trade mercatos with Roma? Would you want ANY of those players at Inter? Does any of those players even warrant minutes at Inter?

Why would we talk about wanting their players, we are in very different situations. Many members threw a piss fit when we didn't sign kumbulla.

Who are these 8 other targets that you are talking about?
It doesn't matter what he said to Roma, he pushed for his signing, a record signing at that and that's it. If he didn't want Tammy, he shouldn't have phoned to convince him to join. That's completely counter productive.
I don't know how you've said the alternative was a cheap loan or free agent striker when they spent 40m euro on Abraham. They could have invested that elsewhere, but mourinho was happy with Abraham.

He actually didn't speak to eldor before eldor joined Roma. He had a meeting with eldor in 2019, long before Jose joining Roma was a possibility.

In terms of transfers, at the time I'm sure many would have been happy with Tammy as a lukaku replacement. Vina has been good as a left back but we don't need him with di Marco returning which is why its nonsensical to compare. But if we were to sign vina, he's a decent player. Patricio is a good GK, if we needed a goalkeeper like Roma did, I'd be happy enough with that signing.

The hilarity though is that you blamed conte for all of our signings under his tenure, but now Jose is absolutely absolved of any criticism in Rome for signings. But I don't want to make this about conte.

In general, Roma have been unlucky a lot. They've hit the woodwork way more than any other team. For the outlay Jose signed off on and his wages, they absolutely need to be doing better.
I mean people say this team is worse than last season, why, because no dzeko only?? He has a better squad and even as you said he has Felix who has been great. Yet their results are worse. For his wages, that's not good enough. Never mins the bodo glimt embarrassment, unless they somehow have a stronger 11 than Roma had those days

bubba zanetti · Jan 12, 2022

kurt0411 said:
We really got a blessing in disguise that Jose had already accepted the Roma job before Conte left, although then again I doubt Marotta would have picked him still. And thank god we picked Conte over Jose back in 2019 as well.

Hahaha
Here he comes...
Expect him coming again if we lose tonight on Inzaghi thread.
If we win you wont see him lol

Glass box · Jan 12, 2022

kurt0411 said:
We really got a blessing in disguise that Jose had already accepted the Roma job before Conte left, although then again I doubt Marotta would have picked him still. And thank god we picked Conte over Jose back in 2019 as well.

Also that Conte wasn't replaced by Allegri in 2020. Imagine watching Allegri's dogshit football AND bad results.

brakbrak · Jan 12, 2022

Glass box said:
Also that Conte wasn't replaced by Allegri in 2020. Imagine watching Allegri's dogshit football AND bad results.

Guilty of wanting Allegri, thank fuck we got Simone instead.

Jusef · Jan 12, 2022

Mourinho gets way more criticism than what he deserves.

Compare him to Ancelotti who failed at Napoli and failed to make Everton a top 4 contender. Absolute silence

I think even Raineri gets more leeway than Mourinho.

Nero Indigo · Jan 12, 2022

Jusef said:
Mourinho gets way more criticism than what he deserves.

Compare him to Ancelotti who failed at Napoli and failed to make Everton a top 4 contender. Absolute silence

I think even Raineri gets more leeway than Mourinho.

Ancelotti and Ranieri don't have front-page loud mouths that's why :lol:

Jusef · Jan 12, 2022

But that’s what it’s really about. Media and pundits criticize him much more not for his current work and expectations but what he said or did in the past.

He has arguably tried to reduce this tension by changing his approach.

How many times has Conte called out his players for lacking mentality or being too nice? Didnt Conte call out Inter management after the 3- 2 loss to Dortmund after being 2-0 up at halftime. Said you can’t win with the likes of Barella and Sensi?

The parallels with the 3-1 lead over Juve? If Inter fans can forget that what hope do you have for the haters.

The media still love him although he has done or said same but hasn’t won as near many trophies as Mourinho.

Harpsabu · Jan 12, 2022

brakbrak said:
Guilty of wanting Allegri, thank fuck we got Simone instead.

It's funny, I remember not being concerned at juve wanting inzaghi. Was that before they got pirlo that they were linked? Thank fuck that happened the way it did.

brehme1989 · Jan 12, 2022

Harpsabu said:
Why would we talk about wanting their players, we are in very different situations. Many members threw a piss fit when we didn't sign kumbulla.

Who are these 8 other targets that you are talking about?

He requested 8 new players. Not by name, but by role. Did not get them. He didn't whine about it.

Harpsabu said:
In terms of transfers, at the time I'm sure many would have been happy with Tammy as a lukaku replacement. Vina has been good as a left back but we don't need him with di Marco returning which is why its nonsensical to compare. But if we were to sign vina, he's a decent player. Patricio is a good GK, if we needed a goalkeeper like Roma did, I'd be happy enough with that signing.

For real???? Tammy at Inter????

On Rui Patricio I agree, prefer him to Onana. And him, you can bet your house that he was a Mourinho request. As is the Porto player that's going.

Harpsabu said:
The hilarity though is that you blamed conte for all of our signings under his tenure, but now Jose is absolutely absolved of any criticism in Rome for signings. But I don't want to make this about conte.

Nope, I blame Conte for the players he requested and the way he forced us to cancel on others, the cost it took since everyone knew that we were going to oblige and they wouldn't drop their asking price and I disliked the idea that everything bad was due to Ausilio getting involved and everything good was because of Conte and Marotta... Which is still a thing apparently.

Harpsabu said:
In general, Roma have been unlucky a lot. They've hit the woodwork way more than any other team. For the outlay Jose signed off on and his wages, they absolutely need to be doing better.

They're not a badly coached team. That's the gist of it. They're just not good enough. They're a team that should be finishing at most 7th, yet it's true that there are more cohesive sides, or less dysfunctional, like Verona, Sassuolo and Fiorentina, so I wouldn't be surprised if they'd also surpass Roma since they're not fixing their roster issues

Harpsabu said:
I mean people say this team is worse than last season, why, because no dzeko only?? He has a better squad and even as you said he has Felix who has been great. Yet their results are worse. For his wages, that's not good enough. Never mins the bodo glimt embarrassment, unless they somehow have a stronger 11 than Roma had those days

They have a worse squad, because they don't have Dzeko. They are without Spinazzola. Zaniolo's ghost is hanging around and their "reinforcements" are trash.

The Dzeko-Abraham downgrade is extremely significant on the way the team played and for the locker room stability. They also lost Pedro, you can blame Mourinho for that, but Pedro & Dzeko is far better than Abraham & Shomurodov and it also costs 60m less...

Harpsabu · Jan 12, 2022

What 8 roles was he looking then? Tammy is a Jose signing.

When we sold lukaku and all we had was dzeko for free lots of people would have been happy with Tammy. Hell, it could still be argued we'd have been better off signing him than signing correa.

Conte on cancelling on others, you've already mentioned the disaatrous kumbulla, that was one of the players conte apparently cancelled on, and thank god.

I've got to disagree. They still have more talent than fiorintina and those other clubs you mentioned, if they fall behind them it's a disaster. He's one of the best paid coaches by a big margin, he should be making a difference. Its not like fiorintina had a winning mentality, they've almost fought relegation last few years and italiano is showing his worth.

Some of the criticism is unjustified, if Roma beat juve the other night 3-1 people would be singing Jose's praises. But they lost to basically milans b team and then this disaster. He has to do more. I'm also rooting for Jose, I was telling my arsenal friend they should have hired him ahead of spurs so I've been having this arguement for years, lol, but he really has to start doing better again.

brehme1989 · Jan 12, 2022

Harpsabu said:
What 8 roles was he looking then? Tammy is a Jose signing.

iirc the list was something along these lines:
GK
Striker
Backup striker
DM/CM
LB
RB
CB
AM/FW attacking midfielder/winger kind of player.

They got him Rui Patricio, Tammy, Shomurodov, Vina.... Reynolds and now they're patching things up with Maitland-Niles (replacement for Reynolds really) and Sergio Oliveira for the central role.

Still no starting CB and arguably the attackers that arrived are really bad, given how much they create and what the overall conversion rate is.

Conte threw Godin out to replace him with Kolarov. Conte rejected Tonali because he wanted only Vidal and was very upset that Eriksen was already forced upon him despite requesting Vidal. He also had specifically requested for Kumbulla and then cancelled the deal himself, after that meeting. Kolarov was still the replacement.

.h. · Jan 12, 2022

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