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Why is that?

If Messi would be ok with being a bench player, we could get him for free, and he would earn as much as say Quaresma, wouldn't you want to have such a back-up player ?

ps. According to Gazzetta all three earn the same - 3.5 mln.

We already have 2 bench players in Cordoba and Materazzi, they are 2 players who are still actually good and are Inter legends. IF we were to get another young defender for next year i would much rather see Cordoba, Materazzi and the new CB as our backups than Samuel. (getting rid of Chivu doesnt make sense since he can play in alot of positions and is still young for a CB).
 

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I think you guys count too much on zapata . Yes he was a very good player in his first years in italy but than he got a bad injury and hasn't recovered his form until now. He was in the bench last night with cordoba and yepes as starters so this means smth. I think we have to see him this season to give a final judgement on the player because there are many examples of players not recovering anymore after injuries...
 

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I think you guys count too much on zapata . Yes he was a very good player in his first years in italy but than he got a bad injury and hasn't recovered his form until now. He was in the bench last night with cordoba and yepes as starters so this means smth. I think we have to see him this season to give a final judgement on the player because there are many examples of players not recovering anymore after injuries...

Yea and Cordoba lead to 3 goals against us..... Cordoba sucks bro. I have seen both of them play more than you have and Cordoba hasnt been good since 2005. The coach started him because he wanted experience over skill and we got spanked for it.

As for Chivu the guy has a huge PRICE TAG FOR A SUB !!! I say we let him go and bring someone that can start. He can play 3-4 positions but only decently if we have him for LB then we need to get rid of Santon.... so its up to you guys.

At CB he is not better than Lucio or Samuel. AT DM he isnt better than Viera, Cambiasso or Motta. So why have a guy worth 16 million euro eating bench??? Other than you guys have a soft spot for him
 

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Why is that?

If Messi would be ok with being a bench player, we could get him for free, and he would earn as much as say Quaresma, wouldn't you want to have such a back-up player ?

ps. According to Gazzetta all three earn the same - 3.5 mln.

How can you compare Messi to this situation? We don't have defender as Messi-caliber in our squad.

At least Materazzi will stay with his lowered salary 100%. Probably Cordoba too. It's just a fact that Samuel or Chivu will go before that year 2012. Unless we pull yet another inters and have 6+ CBs in the squad in the year 2011.

Yes, it hasn't been confirmed that Inter will buy new CB next summer but probably and hopefully it will happen. The future must be covered. The continuity doesn't happen if you buy new starters directly when the old ones are, well, too old.
 

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Cafe you're still wondering somewhere :P

I've pointed out Cordoba is earning the same as Samuel and Chivu. No ?

Samuel and Chivu at this moment are better players than Ivan. No ?

I still haven't seen a logical reason from you why we should keep Ivan IF someone had to go(I don't, but you want someone to go, to make room for a new player).

I've shown Messi as example, because you implied, that Samuel or Chivu are too good to be bench players, so we should get rid of them one of them if a new player should arrive. This is just stupid, it's how the agents of players talk, because this is bad for player, not for a club. If Samuel, Chivu are ok with it, I fail to see a reason why we should sell either of them, and keep Ivan.
 

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Samuel earns 4m€, GdS has reported that themselves in their earlier salary charts. I also remember it was reported when we signed him (no, I don't have source link for you). I also don't believe Cordoba earns as much as Chivu, no way. GdS salary charts are not pure facts, they change their estimates too much. I don't remember exactly Chivu's reported salary when we signed him, but I'm pretty sure it's at least 4m€.

And like I said, Cordoba or Materazzi out of Inter, it's not just gonna happen. At least not for Materazzi. Cordoba out before 2012 is possible only if the management kindly asks him to leave if he doesn't have a place in the squad and he accepts that.

My opinion is that we need that new young CB next summer and I don't see Cordoba ending his career at Europe yet so that's why Samuel/Chivu. It would be nice from Cordoba to end his career next summer if the management asks but I don't believe they will do that yet.
 

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Cafe, don't you think it's a little "silly" to bash Gazzetta salary list, when at the same time, you trust the earlier reports, that were exactly the same thing: estimations/reports? :P

This is "silly".

Either you say all this is bullshit, or you believe in those salaries, as gazzetta has the best sources and we trust that most of those are true.

You want to to tell me, that the reports now are BS, but the reports when we signed those guys were true, or something like that ? How do you know that ?

ps. I also don't trust: "Cordoba earns as much as Chivu, no way" sorry. The "no way" part doesn't convince me much :P
 

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Cordoba has been with us for 10 years, last year he was good, just because now he is a sub doesnt mean that he isnt good, he is a player who isnt going anywhere and will retire with us, same goes for Materazzi who will also retire with us.

The best option for us is to have 2 starters (Lucio, Chivu OR Samuel), a young defender (Zapata or whoever) along with Cordoba and Materazzi. That is IF this young defender will be bought next year and wont be loaned out, if one doesnt come next year, our defence will probably stay the same for at least a year or 2 and by then maybe we will have extra space for the youngster.
 

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I am pretty much on the same note with Khaled here. Cordoba and Matrix will retire with us and they both will be on the bench for the next few years. However, I think Lucio, Chivu and Sammy will also all stay on while a young future CB will be bought and loaned. I believe these 3 starters and 2 backups are good enough to go till 2011/2012.
 

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Cafe, don't you think it's a little "silly" to bash Gazzetta salary list, when at the same time, you trust the earlier reports, that were exactly the same thing: estimations/reports? :P

This is "silly".
Either you say all this is bullshit, or you believe in those salaries, as gazzetta has the best sources and we trust that most of those are true.

You want to to tell me, that the reports now are BS, but the reports when we signed those guys were true, or something like that ? How do you know that ?

No it's not. I said I remember myself it was reported Samuel's salary was 4m€ annually (when he was signed). I don't know why Gazzetta has so different salaries now compared to that 2007 chart. What it tells me that those are just estimations and they maybe know the whole salary budget but not exact figures for every player. Then they just estimate every player's salary to match the whole budget figure. I know it's stupid to even talk about those single figures then but what we can do.

However, this salary thing was just one argument. I just don't see Samuel or Chivu being 4th option. If they are both in the team, they are 2nd and 3rd. And that will fuckup the new young CB who needs playing time more.

And like some other people here say, Cordoba and Materazzi won't be pushed out of the club. It's just not gonna happen. Too bad they have such a long contracts. Cordoba will be 35 when he starts his last season of this contract, Materazzi will be 38.

Why is it so important to have that new CB for next season then? Lucio and Samuel will be 33 when the season 2011/2012 starts. I don't like our starter CBs to be two of Lucio(33), Chivu(30-31) and Samuel(33). Chivu will be THE Glassman more and more as he gets older. Fresh blood is needed by then. So we have one season before that season to adapt the new CB to Inter. That's the next season.

Injuries will be there but seriously, how many top clubs have 4 CBs who can or should play as starters? No other club. That big fuckup we had 07/08 was just a bad, bad luck. 3 CB rotation as starters is okay and that gives cover for one bad injury.

IMO Inter should do it that way. And as veterans won't be pushed out, or Lucio who just arrived, it's either Samuel or Chivu. That's tough task too because of their salaries.
 

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So you agree, it is fair to say all three earn the same, if we're to believe the press reports ?
 

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So you agree, it is fair to say all three earn the same, if we're to believe the press reports ?

I don't believe Cordoba earns the same as Chivu and Samuel. You can believe it based on that GdS salary chart, I don't believe it.
 

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I didn't say I believe it.

I've said, that believing for one report, and dismissing the other, which is exactly the same thing as the first one - just a report - is "silly". Either you believe what they say, and gazzettas RECENT estiamtion should be the one to take as a truth, or you don't believe ANY of them.

So in any case, you don't believe in those. Good to know for the future, if we'll have a discussion, why Eto'o earns so much at Inter :P You won't be able to play that card :D;)
 

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I didn't say I believe it.

I've said, that believing for one report, and dismissing the other, which is exactly the same thing as the first one - just a report - is "silly". Either you believe what they say, and gazzettas RECENT estiamtion should be the one to take as a truth, or you don't believe ANY of them.

So in any case, you don't believe in those. Good to know for the future, if we'll have a discussion, why Eto'o earns so much at Inter :P You won't be able to play that card :D;)

No, it's not that simple. It was reported WHEN SAMUEL WAS SIGNED that he earns 4m€ (not just GdS). GdS happened to have that same figure for Samuel in their salary chart in 2007. I don't know why they don't have that figure there now. It was also reported when Eto'o was signed that he earns 10,5m€ (not just GdS). That happens to be the same figure in GdS 2009 chart.

So it depends when I believe the figures and when not (in those charts). Like I described earlier, I think those are just estimations to match the whole salary budget. For example in Eto'o case I do believe that figure because it was so widely reported everywhere in the media this summer. But I don't believe Cordoba, Samuel and Chivu earns the same figure as annual salary.
 

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Why do you think that Gazzetta got it right 2 years ago, and this year they are wrong ?
 

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Why do you think that Gazzetta got it right 2 years ago, and this year they are wrong ?

I have no idea, but I remember it was reported also elsewhere when Samuel was signed. I can ask why Gazzetta would know it only now? Why would others be wrong back in 2005 and Gazzetta be wrong in 2007?

I keep my opinion that GdS don't have any precisely factual figures when they do those charts. I trust more reports when the contracts are signed.
 

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I can ask why Gazzetta would know it only now?
I didn't say it either.

It's not me who started this argument about wages of one being higher than the other one :)
 

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Cafe, Luka...

I hear what you guys are saying, but Beyonce had one of the BEST videos of all time.
 

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Ehhhhh, not big fan of her :P
 
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